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Winetalk.com · 11-21-2002

friend of mine asked what I know about them and I don;t know much...
can anybody shed any light on them?

11-21-2002

They were okay back when we used them. Didn't seem to process quite as many transactions as other places, we ended up going back to CCBill/IBill. They had a good tech staff and were willing to work with us.

But then again this was in 1999/2000 so don't quote me on that.

I talked to one of their guys in LA, they seemed pretty competent, but I've heard ugly rumors about them and a couple others as of late.

C.

Winetalk.com · 11-21-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Cal@Nov 21 2002, 10:01 AM
They were okay back when we used them. Didn't seem to process quite as many transactions as other places, we ended up going back to CCBill/IBill. They had a good tech staff and were willing to work with us.

But then again this was in 1999/2000 so don't quote me on that.

I talked to one of their guys in LA, they seemed pretty competent, but I've heard ugly rumors about them and a couple others as of late.

C.

Cal,
thanks, can you give me some idea about those rumors?

I promise to take them with a grain of salt, of course, but still would like to know

11-21-2002

A couple people on the boards who seemed to have some level of intelligence had pegged WSB as one of the first to go under after VISA. Sounded like they had inside info on some of their practices, but that's just the feeling I got. WSB and PSW were the two I saw mentioned first in the list of places teetering on the edge.

C.

Winetalk.com · 11-21-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Cal@Nov 21 2002, 10:06 AM
A couple people on the boards who seemed to have some level of intelligence had pegged WSB as one of the first to go under after VISA. Sounded like they had inside info on some of their practices, but that's just the feeling I got. WSB and PSW were the two I saw mentioned first in the list of places teetering on the edge.

C.

yeah,
I heard it too...
due to Visa defiance, right?

Dianna Vesta · 11-21-2002

I heard that too. They're in Florida and I know a few people that worked there. Same with Ibill.

Quite honestly I think they're all in trouble or third party anyhow. I think the future of this business will be companies offering services and a gateway for people with their own merchant accounts.

I like the way that Jettis and Epoch is set up. You have choices and even Ibill has a nice gateway but they just aren't keeping up with these other companies in developing new services. The recent news MikeAI posted would make me worry if I was billing with Ibill. I still do some small rebilling but it's sub TP using my own merchant accounts.

Does anyone know how many web sites were drop as a result of the new Visa regs? Any assumptions?

Monk · 11-21-2002

"A couple people on the boards who seemed to have some level of intelligence had pegged WSB as one of the first to go under after VISA."

I hope you aren't referring to Hooper. Was he drinking or sober at the time?

Mutt · 11-21-2002

Serge the guys from CandidCam have been with WSB forever.

I always thought it was their own company but I don't think they are, maybe they're partners in it or maybe just friends who started at the same time.

Hooper · 11-21-2002

fuck off monk.. i've got a better understanding of this business when i'm drunk then when you are sober... so i wouldnt be so fast to throw insults out there.

i can always sober up, but you'll still be an idiotic lapdog in the morning.

back to the discussion however. wsb has a good 900 billing solution that we still use but we wont touch their cc processing because we dont want to violate visa regs... just because somebody tells you they are safe because of their business model doesnt mean they know what they're doing.

Monk · 11-21-2002

"i can always sober up"

yes, and I'm sure you cherish those 3 hours each week.

President · 11-21-2002

I used them for awhile with both their merchant account and my own, cool interface they have, but I had too many problems with their scripts not adding the users to our sites.

Eventually we left them due to technical difficulties.

Many moons later we got quite a few chargebacks, but since it was a long time ago, I figure their fraud screening was not up to par back then.

Mike AI · 11-21-2002

President, good to see you finally got a decent Avatar!!

:P

:angry:

President · 11-21-2002

Why thanks Mikey

11-22-2002

I used them as a secondary a couple of years back. I sent my declines from Epoch there and it actually worked pretty well. I don't have a clue about their stability now but I heard they were hurting at one point because of excessive cb's? I had decided to use Epoch as my primary instead and low and behold "We will be holding your sales for the month of September" Picking a 3rd party processor is like playing roulette!

Dianna Vesta · 11-22-2002

Sorry had to check these out.

bpj · 11-22-2002

E-Randy, who do you do your ACH with? I know these guys that know how to spin straw into gold! ;-)))

ACHdebit.com - THE ANSWER for Checks!

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Dianna Vesta Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,087	I heard that too. They're in Florida and I know a few people that worked there. Same with Ibill. Quite honestly I think they're all in trouble or third party anyhow. I think the future of this business will be companies offering services and a gateway for people with their own merchant accounts. I like the way that Jettis and Epoch is set up. You have choices and even Ibill has a nice gateway but they just aren't keeping up with these other companies in developing new services. The recent news MikeAI posted would make me worry if I was billing with Ibill. I still do some small rebilling but it's sub TP using my own merchant accounts. Does anyone know how many web sites were drop as a result of the new Visa regs? Any assumptions? __________________ Live radio and audio downloads have a definite place in marketing and promoting products. Not only will it capture new customers but it is an excellent way to promote new products to existing customers continuing to build good customer relationships. Click here for more info

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Hooper Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,156	fuck off monk.. i've got a better understanding of this business when i'm drunk then when you are sober... so i wouldnt be so fast to throw insults out there. i can always sober up, but you'll still be an idiotic lapdog in the morning. back to the discussion however. wsb has a good 900 billing solution that we still use but we wont touch their cc processing because we dont want to violate visa regs... just because somebody tells you they are safe because of their business model doesnt mean they know what they're doing. __________________ Quickbuck is paying $100 Per trial join.

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11-21-2002	#2
Cal Guest Posts: n/a	They were okay back when we used them. Didn't seem to process quite as many transactions as other places, we ended up going back to CCBill/IBill. They had a good tech staff and were willing to work with us. But then again this was in 1999/2000 so don't quote me on that. I talked to one of their guys in LA, they seemed pretty competent, but I've heard ugly rumors about them and a couple others as of late. C.

11-21-2002	#7
Monk Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 497	"A couple people on the boards who seemed to have some level of intelligence had pegged WSB as one of the first to go under after VISA." I hope you aren't referring to Hooper. Was he drinking or sober at the time?

11-21-2002	#8
Mutt Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,087	Serge the guys from CandidCam have been with WSB forever. I always thought it was their own company but I don't think they are, maybe they're partners in it or maybe just friends who started at the same time.

11-21-2002	#13
President Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 102	Why thanks Mikey __________________ XXX Productions .com

11-22-2002	#14
E-Randy Guest Posts: n/a	I used them as a secondary a couple of years back. I sent my declines from Epoch there and it actually worked pretty well. I don't have a clue about their stability now but I heard they were hurting at one point because of excessive cb's? I had decided to use Epoch as my primary instead and low and behold "We will be holding your sales for the month of September" Picking a 3rd party processor is like playing roulette!

11-22-2002	#15
Dianna Vesta Members Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,087	Sorry had to check these out. __________________ Live radio and audio downloads have a definite place in marketing and promoting products. Not only will it capture new customers but it is an excellent way to promote new products to existing customers continuing to build good customer relationships. Click here for more info

11-22-2002	#16
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