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Old 12-26-2004   #1
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do you see it as a permanant mainstay now to any successful program? or do you think it is just a fad, and only a few of the sstronger sites will remain good and there will be another " NEW THING" ?
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Considering we are launching 2 new reality sites... I hope for a long time!
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I think it's still strong but with so many reality sites you have to have something fresh and credible to be heard above all the noise
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Reality sites are here to stay, but I think once a new fad or trend develops they will cool a bit...
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I think the reality "craze" is over and has been for a long time in my opinion. In my experience, they perform as well as other types of sites. They won't die off, though. There's always going to be a market for them.
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The word "reality" pretty much is meaningless at this point. I know, I shoot content for a lot of these so-called reality porn sites for a few different programs. The idea of a themed site with a particular funny, goofy or sexy premise containing mostly custom exclusive video is a very basic idea that will surely continue.
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Reality shows have always been with us. It's only recently that mainstream media has given that niche "reality".

The Newlywed game was a reality game-show.
Truth or Consequences was as well.

Anyone remember "This is your Life"?

Reality shows will only get bigger and hopefully better.
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I think it's still strong but with so many reality sites you have to have something fresh and credible to be heard above all the noise
Exactly. The reason the so-called "reality" niche started doing so well in the first place is that people were sick and tired of seeing the same old thing done over and over and over...

Hopefully we'll see some real ground-breaking sites in 2005 - can't wait to see what the industry comes up with next!
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The crazy thing about 'reality' sites is that that term has become the new buzz word for a sponsor to say..

'We have just launched 20 new reality sites'

Instead of saying..

'We have just launched 20 new cookie cutter sites'

Which, lets be honest, is all reality sites are.. the new cookie cutter.
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From my viewpoint "reality sites" are real strong. We have been designing tons and tons of them
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From my viewpoint "reality sites" are real strong. We have been designing tons and tons of them
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The crazy thing about 'reality' sites is that that term has become the new buzz word for a sponsor to say..

'We have just launched 20 new reality sites'

Instead of saying..

'We have just launched 20 new cookie cutter sites'

Which, lets be honest, is all reality sites are.. the new cookie cutter.
this industry never really changes
someone comes out witha shiny new thing and everyone else follows suit...

reality sites are definitely becoming cookie cutter...and creativity is starting to falter again....typical cycle...
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this industry never really changes
someone comes out witha shiny new thing and everyone else follows suit...

reality sites are definitely becoming cookie cutter...and creativity is starting to falter again....typical cycle...



Yeppers Sykk, that is the cycle.

I mean we went from like 800x600 splash page on the old paysite design model, to longer pages, 2 tours, 3 tours, some 4-5 tours, etc.

Things will change again I am sure of it.
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There is a difference between sites that have truly exclusive video content shot specifically for the site with some premise or theme or gag or hook and those sites that are just a bunch of DVD rips that are emulating that design style. The latter may fool some surfers, but even with some confusion, custom exclusive video content shot in a creative way is here to stay. It's not going to go away any more than porn series on VHS or DVD with all kinds of different themes are. Any program owners or managers looking to differentiate themselves in the marketplace, and pull in some new webmaster affiliates as well as generate jaded surfers interest, would be wise to invest in some custom shot exclusive video content, if they have the program to push it. I'm available for creative consultation. :-)
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Considering we are launching 2 new reality sites... I hope for a long time!
Reality sites are fucked.

Anthony jinxed them!!!!


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How do you guys feel about selling your members, DVD's of your content, in your members area, that you actually mail out to them?
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How do you guys feel about selling your members, DVD's of your content, in your members area, that you actually mail out to them?
Thats a good business practice IMHO.

Shows that the company is thinking about long term profitability and not just about throwing shit online and wanting to wait to make money from it from web usage.

In todays marketplace you have to be able to embrace a whole range of business models including offline content sales in bricks and mortar stores and even streaming ppv usage of movies.

If a company doesnt maximise its profit potential, it wont be around for long ultimately.
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How do you guys feel about selling your members, DVD's of your content, in your members area, that you actually mail out to them?
used to be an old scam...

Send them out a dvd included in there membership , get a signature...

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Joe, Nick, Lee,

Well we ship out dvd's and other items for a ton of companies. Topbucks for one does real well with there dvd upsells, and I think we have like 10 or 20,000 of there dvd's here in our warehouse.

As Lee said, more ways to maximize your profit is a good thing
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Well we ship out dvd's and other items for a ton of companies. Topbucks for one does real well with there dvd upsells, and I think we have like 10 or 20,000 of there dvd's here in our warehouse.

As Lee said, more ways to maximize your profit is a good thing
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I have just recently been getting interest from my reality content clients to re-purpose their footage for DVD sales. My editor and I now offer a service to create professional looking DVDs by re-editing the scenes and author the DVD to a master ready to send to a replicator. It's another way to recoup their investment in the exclusive content and it's a lot easier and better done by the same shooter & editor when the footage is freshly captured on the computer than done after the fact by a tihrd party.
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Lee,

Yeppers there

We have been shipping for ourselves and other companies for many years now

Between all the companies we ship quite a few hundred packages per day.

You know me, love to diversify
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Our busty babes appear on a series of DVD's we're producing. We look for it to add nicely to our bottomline.
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Well we ship out dvd's and other items for a ton of companies. Topbucks for one does real well with there dvd upsells, and I think we have like 10 or 20,000 of there dvd's here in our warehouse.

As Lee said, more ways to maximize your profit is a good thing
That is good to know.... I would like to talk to you about this sometime as well.
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