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Old 08-17-2004   #1
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He is a walking liability. However he probably knows to much about Hooper's "business" so Hooper will keep on paying him.

If chair had killed someone, they would be owning Hoop. Especially if
it happened after he was on "notice".
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Personally, I don't know enough about the full situation nor do I even really know Wiseman (have only met him once and it was briefly in passing) but this seems to be somewhat of a pattern.

If this had been a first time offense, I could see him giving another chance, but when it's a recurring thing, Hooper should do right by his friend/employee and get him some help.

I'd hate to see anyone lose their job through lack of control of their vices. Maybe a wake up call is needed (or maybe this was the wake up call) and some time in rehab is the answer.
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I don't know anything at all about this specific situation except what I've read on the boards.

I know more than I want to about what at least part of the situation looks like.

You can't stand up while you are still falling. Sometimes the best efforts of someone trying to "do right by his friend/employee and get him some help" end up doing more harm than good. Frequently the platitudes tossed around in rehab don't mean much until you come crashing down - and the crash may not hurt enough if somebody cushions the fall with a mattress every fucking time.

Under certain circumstances I can see keeping an employee who's done something like this ONCE, assuming the employee has enough skills or talents to warrant employment even though they shouldn't be participating in something as public as a show. Sending someone known for this kind of behavior back to a subsequent show seems about as logical as hiring a convicted child abuser to teach Sunday School.
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Sending someone known for this kind of behavior back to a subsequent show seems about as logical as hiring a convicted child abuser to teach Sunday School.
Hey, it works for the Catholic Church.....
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he's a partner, not an employee
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he's a partner, not an employee
HAHAHA Oh shit!!!

Hooper has a lot more to worry about then!
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he's a partner, not an employee
Well that kind of changes things........

I wasn't there and I haven't been there for the other "Wiseman" stories, but if what I've heard is even half true, I hope this is a wakeup call and he gets some professional help before he hurts/kills someone else or himself.
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Slav your wrong Hooper just posted that Smart Guy was a consultant!

How timely!
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I don't know anything at all about this specific situation except what I've read on the boards.

I know more than I want to about what at least part of the situation looks like.

You can't stand up while you are still falling. Sometimes the best efforts of someone trying to "do right by his friend/employee and get him some help" end up doing more harm than good. Frequently the platitudes tossed around in rehab don't mean much until you come crashing down - and the crash may not hurt enough if somebody cushions the fall with a mattress every fucking time.

Under certain circumstances I can see keeping an employee who's done something like this ONCE, assuming the employee has enough skills or talents to warrant employment even though they shouldn't be participating in something as public as a show. Sending someone known for this kind of behavior back to a subsequent show seems about as logical as hiring a convicted child abuser to teach Sunday School.
I think this can be taken as the hitting of rock bottom...
wait, I guess if someone was standing below when the chair and table fell it would be THEN be rock bottom....
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I think this can be taken as the hitting of rock bottom...
wait, I guess if someone was standing below when the chair and table fell it would be THEN be rock bottom....
Oh ... there is always a lower bottom to be found if one has the energy to keep looking.
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Best thing he can do is hang on to next chair he throws out window...
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he's a partner, not an employee
BINGO!

seems like I am not alone in cracking yet another Hoop's lie
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yes, it was a very unfortunate situation.....

I am very surprised that Ken did not put wiseman on the ground after the beer pouring incident.
I for one know I could not have possibly had the same restraint as Ken did....

wiseman is a loser.
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He's not a partner and if he didn't head straight for rehab right after his honeymoon, I'd seriously consider having McDonalds employee him if I were Hooper. Having fun is one thing, and we all have our moments, this goes a bit further than any type of amusement that doesn't involve poking someone with sharp objects...
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Is this habitual, or is it just an Internext tradition......?

He has been to Cybernet Expos - and if he did any damage or anything really stupid - I never heard about it.

Although this is certainly bad publicity for the company - (and if he is good at his job) he might consider grounding him. If it is not essential to his job description - I think I would make this his last Internext......

Although it souinds like he might need some help..... the "friends don't let friends drive drunk" - same principle might apply here....
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with all the holding corporations, offshore corporations, complicated tax structures, etc... I get a kick out of people trying to delude themselves and others that they are not the effective owners/partners in a business... I am not sure if this is the case in Hooper/Wiseman's situation but I have seen it tried a few times....
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partners. not employer/employee. period.

remember a few years ago how they came together as partners?!? its not that long ago ... all the 'selling to off shore entities' rubbish only works on paper - if the boys were employees, Ryan at least would have been fired after this situation.

As if a company would buy another company, and stand by while the old owners, who are now managers, destroy its reputation!
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partners. not employer/employee. period.

remember a few years ago how they came together as partners?!? its not that long ago ... all the 'selling to off shore entities' rubbish only works on paper - if the boys were employees, Ryan at least would have been fired after this situation.

As if a company would buy another company, and stand by while the old owners, who are now managers, destroy its reputation!
He was on the radio telling us all that he was eating dinner one minute then the next he was in jail. Might have been believable but when he started laughing like a little girl about it as if it was a joke and then kept telling Mike AI to suck his dick....made me wanna believe.

And Hooper wants to come on here and tell us all we are all scared of him.
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wiseman is the silent partner in hoopers stuff....i doubt he can fire him
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Hopefully as time moves on this industry will grow and things like this will be in the past.

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