Hey RawAlex inside please...

[Toby]

...sorry, no drama.

I thought you might find this thread at the zoo extremely amusing.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=895312


I read it twice and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Toby

...sorry, no drama.

I thought you might find this thread at the zoo extremely amusing.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=895312


I read it twice and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief.

I think its sheer genius. I bet her memberships got a solid bump since she posted.

And for the record - she probably makes more money than most of the guys trashing her in the thread.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I think its sheer genius. I bet her memberships got a solid bump since she posted.

I'd agree if I thought it was posted with the intention of being a publicity stunt. But I'm pretty sure she's dead serious.

Originally Posted by gonzo

And for the record - she probably makes more money than most of the guys trashing her in the thread.

No doubt, but that says far more about the guys on GFY than about her.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Toby

I'd agree if I thought it was posted with the intention of being a publicity stunt. But I'm pretty sure she's dead serious.


No doubt, but that says far more about the guys on GFY than about her.

She probably is dead serious! Thats her character for sure.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Toby

I'd agree if I thought it was posted with the intention of being a publicity stunt. But I'm pretty sure she's dead serious.

{snip}
No doubt, but that says far more about the guys on GFY than about her.

Yeh, based on her post count, I don't think she's really pulling a stunt - I think she's really offended by the whiff of impropriety and anything linking her visuals to something she feels deeply about. She's pretty strong willed - one would have to be to run a porn site as granola as hers is without folding immediately.

[softball]

She is the real deal and has a very long history and a business plan she has stuck to all along. I would say she makes way more money than 99 per cent of those wankers who posted on tha thread. She is rightfully outraged, knowing how political she is, but gfy was the wrong venue to vent.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

She is the real deal and has a very long history and a business plan she has stuck to all along. I would say she makes way more money than 99 per cent of those wankers who posted on tha thread. She is rightfully outraged, knowing how political she is, but gfy was the wrong venue to vent.

I agree 100% and from the looks of this ... at closer examination.
Shes right. Xbiz ripped her off.

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=895359

[RawAlex]

Yup, that the furry girl for you. Still outraged by odd things, and still using a mailboxes etc as her 2257 location. Oh well.

[softball]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Yup, that the furry girl for you. Still outraged by odd things, and still using a mailboxes etc as her 2257 location. Oh well.

you seem to have done your research. I am sure everyone is very interested in that public revelation. Perhaps you have some IRS info you might like to share as well. This is board games at their worst. It isn't piss, it is just nasty. Someone trying to fuck with another's business.

[gonzo]

As I said in the thread . . .

Her site converts on a lot better ratio than you can imagine.
Xbiz has already said she was right - they ripped her off for an example of a pedo site.
God knows we've seen fully grown men cry about a lot less on here...

Shes a smart and tenacious lady that says what she thinks instead of crying "post proof or be banned."

And I remember how many guys were trolling her a few years ago at Internext Vegas.

And Ill add here that many of us have known her for years and know thats just her. Shes managed to make a solid living on doing nothing but this and staying true to her convictions.

I dont know many people like that anymore.

[RawAlex]

Gonzo, I have said before and I will say again: If she managed to allow for other people's opinions and other people sometimes being right, she would be doing even better than she is. In a business where having friends is key, she manages to shun so many. Perhaps it is just staying true to her convictions, whatever. More power to her if she can keep it up.

I do tend to find her and Trixie and some of their friends a little too sensitive to comments made by others. Xbiz was wrong to use any part of her site in a montage, but honestly, I cannot picture anyone either (a) seriously thinking for a second she has anything to do with CP, and (b) being able to even connect enter and leave buttons with her site without serious prompting. Major bad by Xbiz, and something that likely could have been resolved just by contacting Xbiz and having that page of their online magazine changed quickly and discreetly. So perhaps a drama thread on GFY wasn't the best way to get it resolved (most people wouldn't have ever noticed, I don't think).

Maybe it's an old fashioned use of piss to get attention?

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Gonzo, I have said before and I will say again: If she managed to allow for other people's opinions and other people sometimes being right, she would be doing even better than she is. In a business where having friends is key, she manages to shun so many. Perhaps it is just staying true to her convictions, whatever. More power to her if she can keep it up.

I do tend to find her and Trixie and some of their friends a little too sensitive to comments made by others. Xbiz was wrong to use any part of her site in a montage, but honestly, I cannot picture anyone either (a) seriously thinking for a second she has anything to do with CP, and (b) being able to even connect enter and leave buttons with her site without serious prompting. Major bad by Xbiz, and something that likely could have been resolved just by contacting Xbiz and having that page of their online magazine changed quickly and discreetly. So perhaps a drama thread on GFY wasn't the best way to get it resolved (most people wouldn't have ever noticed, I don't think).

Maybe it's an old fashioned use of piss to get attention?

I honestly don't think she gives a flying squirt what the mainstream porn world thinks of her - and why would she? Her market isn't going to be a fan of it either. Even hippies yank it, and I don't think she wants to do "better" by the standards of the industry at large. Further, if she did, I suspect she'd lose a significant portion of her member base, who I would presume are pretty loyal 'cos there's not much out there for them.

On the other hand, if you don't work within the mainstream confines, and you know you're a "small" player in the grand scheme, you also know that Xbiz isn't going to listen if you call - but they will pay attention to board drama that calls them into question.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Gonzo, I have said before and I will say again: If she managed to allow for other people's opinions and other people sometimes being right, she would be doing even better than she is. In a business where having friends is key, she manages to shun so many. Perhaps it is just staying true to her convictions, whatever. More power to her if she can keep it up.

I do tend to find her and Trixie and some of their friends a little too sensitive to comments made by others. Xbiz was wrong to use any part of her site in a montage, but honestly, I cannot picture anyone either (a) seriously thinking for a second she has anything to do with CP, and (b) being able to even connect enter and leave buttons with her site without serious prompting. Major bad by Xbiz, and something that likely could have been resolved just by contacting Xbiz and having that page of their online magazine changed quickly and discreetly. So perhaps a drama thread on GFY wasn't the best way to get it resolved (most people wouldn't have ever noticed, I don't think).

Maybe it's an old fashioned use of piss to get attention?

I tend to agree with Liz more.
I dont think either ladies give a shit positive or negative about what any of us think.

I guess thats why I like them both so much!

[Toby]

Trixie I like. Furrygirl, not so much. Way too much of anything is bad, including attitude.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by Toby

Trixie I like. Furrygirl, not so much. Way too much of anything is bad, including attitude.

*shrug*

Again, we're not who she's marketing to, so our perspectives aren't going to matter to her or her market.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

*shrug*

Again, we're not who she's marketing to, so our perspectives aren't going to matter to her or her market.

I sort of go along this line: If you don't want to be in the porn business, don't be in it. Stay away. I am trying to remember the term used to describe the porn business, and it wasn't very nice. Someone actually posted some of FG's better quotes on GFY, including something about throwing up in her mouth if she had to deal with any of us.

Hating the porn business and then using all it's resources, servicees, and support mechanisms at the same time seems a little, well, odd. Then again, I am just a misogynistic prick, so what do I know?

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I sort of go along this line: If you don't want to be in the porn business, don't be in it. Stay away. I am trying to remember the term used to describe the porn business, and it wasn't very nice. Someone actually posted some of FG's better quotes on GFY, including something about throwing up in her mouth if she had to deal with any of us.

Hating the porn business and then using all it's resources, servicees, and support mechanisms at the same time seems a little, well, odd. Then again, I am just a misogynistic prick, so what do I know?

I have to disagree. There seems to be a misconception in the lion's share of the market that there is only one way to "do porn."

FurryGirl may be strident, and she may not like the majority of how the industry is run, but that doesn't mean she hasn't got a right to indulge her exhibitionism or make money from it (which still qualifies as porn, by definition) just because she doesn't want to be part of how the rest of it is run. I can understand why someone with her targeted demographic would choose to disassociate herself from the bulk of the business.

That's kinda the beauty of the business though -- there is room for her to be part of it in the way she sees fit. And honestly, I don't see her using many of the industry resources - until such time as she posted on The Zoo about the xbiz appropriation, she had about 12 posts over there. She operates in her own way, with her own marketing efforts, and really doesn't have much to do with the bulk of the industry.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think that may be a significant portion of why the Hateorade got brought out.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

She operates in her own way, with her own marketing efforts, and really doesn't have much to do with the bulk of the industry.

Actually, now that I think about it, I think that may be a significant portion of why the Hateorade got brought out.

A lot of people get tweezed up when they realize that they cant impact what you think nor what you do.

Is it me or do a lot of guys in this biz seem to have serious issues with women?

[DannyCox]

Over the years, I think 90% of the guys I've known or seen on-line are actually afraid of women! They are so afraid, they end up having to trash the women in order to feel better about themselves and their "short-comings". They get so used to belittling them on-line and not thinking of women as people that they almost shit themselves when they meet a real live woman in person!

Carol and I used to go to the shows and watch how many of the guys interacted with women. It reminded me of the really geeky guys at a high school dance! The guys that spouted the most shit on-line were the biggest pussies when it came to actually talking to a woman!

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Actually, now that I think about it, I think that may be a significant portion of why the Hateorade got brought out.

I agree with you about 90% here.

For the most part there isn't any hating on the way they do business, or their chosen markets, or whatever. In the same way I don't really give a specific crap about some of the content out there (I just don't list it, link it, or promote it). I can even suggest at times that some of that content isn't really great for "the porn biz", and seeing the recent sad string of convictions and guilty pleas, well, I might not have been wrong. But I don't try to change the way anyone else does that business - it's up to them.

I don't suggest for a minute that meeting Max Hardcore would make me throw up in my mouth (although honestly he creeps me out slightly), nor would I rather die than sit at the same table as some people in the business. I don't look down my nose at anyone's part of the porn business, because hey, we are all slinging porn here.

So basically if you are lobbing bombs at people, don't be shocked when they aren't exactly receptive to your next question.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Someone actually posted some of FG's better quotes on GFY, including something about throwing up in her mouth if she had to deal with any of us.

Hmm. get the quotes right. The one you are referring to is:

" I would throw up in my mouth if the average "adult webmaster" (chav who links to things he didn't produce) wanted to fuck me."

Had nothing to do with dealing with porn people. Had to do with having sex with webmasters.

I think if I was her gender I would probably agree.

The other quotes from her blog were:

"Some days, it's hard to be all pro-porn when you remember that 99.9% of adult webmasters are the scummiest human beings on the planet. Sign."

"You should see photos from mainstream porn conventions. It looks like a Hot Chicks With Douchebags parade. It's hilarious."

And, it is actually quite hard to argue with either of them.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

*shrug*

Again, we're not who she's marketing to, so our perspectives aren't going to matter to her or her market.

If she has an affiliate program, which she indeed does, then hell yes I'm someone she should be marketing to.

I'm simply not going to promote a site where the owner has utter disdain for the very webmasters sending them traffic. Her site doesn't fit the niches I promote anyway, but I do have a babe/pornstar site and I refuse to promote Mariah Milano for exactly the same reason.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by sarettah

...And, it is actually quite hard to argue with either of them.

I do take exception to "99.9% of adult webmasters are the scummiest human beings on the planet."

Having spent 15 years in the mainstream corporate world and now 11+ years in adult I'd say that 99.9% number is a huge exageration.

Mainstream has nothing on adult in regards to the scum factor, and I've met more salt of the earth peeps in this biz than in mainstream.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Toby

I do take exception to "99.9% of adult webmasters are the scummiest human beings on the planet."

Having spent 15 years in the mainstream corporate world and now 11+ years in adult I'd say that 99.9% number is a huge exageration.

Mainstream has nothing on adult in regards to the scum factor, and I've met more salt of the earth peeps in this biz than in mainstream.

Toby, we all know that you are in the top .01% of this biz ;p

And I don't see where anyone said that mainstream webmasters are not as bad (or worse) than adult webmasters.

[DannyCox]

Originally Posted by Toby

Having spent 15 years in the mainstream corporate world and now 11+ years in adult I'd say that 99.9% number is a huge exageration.

You're right, it's probably closer to 99.8%

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

I have to disagree. There seems to be a misconception in the lion's share of the market that there is only one way to "do porn."

Rarely has a truer statement been uttered.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by sarettah

And, it is actually quite hard to argue with either of them.

It is hard to argue with them, but in relatively polite company you don't say any of the three. There are plenty of people in the world I don't like, but I don't run up to them and say "I would throw up in my mouth if you tried to have sex with me".

It's just sort of one of those thing, learning when to say nothing. Which is what I will do for the rest of this thread

[sarettah]

Her attitude towards the industry does not seem to be hurting her much:



According to Alexa:

Furrygirl.com 85,700

Bevyofbabes.com 62,877

babes-in-boots.com 96,476
well-heeled-women.com 110,050
dressingforsex.com 212,128
stocking-vixens.com 274,857

(sites for comparison chosen at random )

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It is hard to argue with them, but in relatively polite company you don't say any of the three.

Well there you go. We aren't talking polite society. We are talking about the interwebs.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

It is hard to argue with them, but in relatively polite company you don't say any of the three. There are plenty of people in the world I don't like, but I don't run up to them and say "I would throw up in my mouth if you tried to have sex with me".

It's just sort of one of those thing, learning when to say nothing. Which is what I will do for the rest of this thread

It bears noting that she didn't say them in "polite society" - she said them on her Twitter, which probably gets pretty soundly ignored by the bulk of the industry 99% of the time and only got picked up this time 'cos she called someone out.

*shrug*

[Toby]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Her attitude towards the industry does not seem to be hurting her much...

Nice visual aids But neither of us, or even furrygirl for that matter, really know how much business she may have gained or lost due to that attitude over the years.

[gonzo]

Good debate!

Thanks for proving once again that we are all adults here and can agree to disagree.

Needless to say I think she is both adorable and very smart.
I will add if your surfers are tired of the tatttoed altish model but like them a little different then you might try using her as an affiliate.

The site does convert and retain if you have the right traffic!

Thank you all!

[TheEnforcer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Good debate!

Thanks for proving once again that we are all adults here and can agree to disagree.

Needless to say I think she is both adorable and very smart.
I will add if your surfers are tired of the tatttoed altish model but like them a little different then you might try using her as an affiliate.

The site does convert and retain if you have the right traffic!

Thank you all!

For the people that like her I bet she retains like mad....

[Hell Puppy]

She found Buckwheat!

And put him in a headlock!!!

[softball]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Good debate!

Thanks for proving once again that we are all adults here and can agree to disagree.

Needless to say I think she is both adorable and very smart.
I will add if your surfers are tired of the tatttoed altish model but like them a little different then you might try using her as an affiliate.

The site does convert and retain if you have the right traffic!

Thank you all!

I would agree it has been a good thread. The only sour note, and its something that I consider a low blow, that got glossed over was the 2257 remark. That still sucks and should not be ignored or overlooked. Its was a tactic used on the "old" Oprano should not be tolerated.....ever on this useful shiny new Oprano. I am surprised that no one wanted to touch that.

[miz_wright]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I would agree it has been a good thread. The only sour note, and its something that I consider a low blow, that got glossed over was the 2257 remark. That still sucks and should not be ignored or overlooked. Its was a tactic used on the "old" Oprano should not be tolerated.....ever on this useful shiny new Oprano. I am surprised that no one wanted to touch that.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I rather thought you had it handled.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by LizAEBN

Can't speak for anyone else, but I rather thought you had it handled.

Liz, since rhetorical is on my ignore list, I have no idea how it was "handled". Safe to say my original comment was a simple observation and not a topic of debate.

[softball]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Liz, since rhetorical is on my ignore list, I have no idea how it was "handled". Safe to say my original comment was a simple observation and not a topic of debate.

bullshit.....

[RawAlex]

Y see, all I get is:

This message is hidden because rhetorical is on your ignore list.

it makes things so much more peaceful around here.

[softball]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Y see, all I get is:

This message is hidden because rhetorical is on your ignore list.

it makes things so much more peaceful around here.

t

hmm and that is why you keep posting this in case we didn't get it the first or second time. Mainly its so you can post your bullshit with impunity would be my guess. Pussy.