This is what makes the cut in business...

[NickPapageorgio]

For me, personally, being comfortable in my confines is what makes me feel successful.

Do I own a porsche? Nope...my 300 pound ass would look kind of dumb in it if I did. I do drive a couple nice cars that get me where I need to go when I do, indeed, leave my cave. Does that solidify my success? No.

Do I own my house? Nope...at this time, we are renting a 4 bedroom home trying to decide if we would like to build a house here in N.C. It has been quite a culture shock moving from the "big city" here. So, we decided to give it a year, and if we are still happy living here, then we'll build. When and if I do build my home, will then I be a success? No.

Do I go base jumping, hanggliding, surfing, etc. lmao...you ever seen a 300 pound man do those things? I do bar-b-que while wearing a kiss the cook apron and wielding a 12 oz. can of Budweiser. Does that count? Guess not.

Here are the things, I feel, make me a success.

I worked concrete construction for years. It was a thankless job that required many many back breaking hours of hard labor. It paid the bills, but it was like every morning when that alarm clock sounded at 4am, I just wanted to shoot someone. I was stuck, at 23 years old, babysitting men twice my age who had decided that a life of drunken construction work was what they wanted to do. I was sick of 50 year old men asking me, "what you want me to do next, boss?" 50 year old men who had been doing construction work, in my field, for more years than I was alive, who had no idea of the next step in the process. Couldn't read blue prints...couldn't be counted on for anything productive...yet, when the job ran behind, these men didn't hear a sound out of my superiors. I was the one getting the ram stick from the rear, not them. I was in a dead end rut...

Now, I do something that I LOVE to do. I have always said, I am a pervert by trade. I wake up in the morning, go fix my coffee, eat a boiled egg. I take my morning shit while reading the newspaper. I go to my computer desk and begin work for the day. Now, this work consists of, basically, looking at tits and ass, all day, and putting them into graphically pleasing layouts among other things. Real tough job I must say after years of walking around in the mud, shovel and laborer in tow. My kids get home from school and we have afternoon snack. We watch some cartoons together, play outside, play Xbox whatever. Mom gets back home and we go out to dinner most nights. Nothing fancy granted. Actually, it's probably a little bar-b-q place here in town called Parker's which has the best pork bar-b-q and cornbread sticks in the world. Dinner, for all 4 of us, usually runs around $50-$60. We then leave, come home, spend some time together and go to bed.

Last year, we went on vacation to various locales here in the U.S. 3 times. I own two timeshares but no second or third house or anything. I live a somewhat simple life, but I am happy. This is the happiest I have ever been in my entire life. I am comfortable. I don't scrape to pay bills. My kids don't want for much. I am relaxed now.

Does this all count as successful? Or do I need to be some eccentric money bags looking down his nose at the worker bees?

What I do find kind of funny, however, is most of the spouting done on these message boards by the "haves" is usually accompanied by some sort of secrecy about what it is they actually do. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give two shits what ANYONE else on some porn webmaster forum makes, but I just think it's comical when I hear that, oh so cliche retort, "I don't need to show you what I make, just trust me, I pay more in taxes than you make in a year..." or some variation of it.

It's a good show for the idiots who sit all day and refresh the page, but those of us who are making a living doing this, and striving for more...don't really give a fuck lol. Good for you...glad you could find your path and make the best of it...but seriously...who fuckin cares?

[helix]

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

This is the happiest I have ever been in my entire life. I am comfortable. I don't scrape to pay bills. My kids don't want for much. I am relaxed now.

Thats what makes you successful in my book.

[softball]

Originally Posted by NickPapageorgio

For me, personally, being comfortable in my confines is what makes me feel successful.

Do I own a porsche? Nope...my 300 pound ass would look kind of dumb in it if I did. I do drive a couple nice cars that get me where I need to go when I do, indeed, leave my cave. Does that solidify my success? No.

Do I own my house? Nope...at this time, we are renting a 4 bedroom home trying to decide if we would like to build a house here in N.C. It has been quite a culture shock moving from the "big city" here. So, we decided to give it a year, and if we are still happy living here, then we'll build. When and if I do build my home, will then I be a success? No.

Do I go base jumping, hanggliding, surfing, etc. lmao...you ever seen a 300 pound man do those things? I do bar-b-que while wearing a kiss the cook apron and wielding a 12 oz. can of Budweiser. Does that count? Guess not.

Here are the things, I feel, make me a success.

I worked concrete construction for years. It was a thankless job that required many many back breaking hours of hard labor. It paid the bills, but it was like every morning when that alarm clock sounded at 4am, I just wanted to shoot someone. I was stuck, at 23 years old, babysitting men twice my age who had decided that a life of drunken construction work was what they wanted to do. I was sick of 50 year old men asking me, "what you want me to do next, boss?" 50 year old men who had been doing construction work, in my field, for more years than I was alive, who had no idea of the next step in the process. Couldn't read blue prints...couldn't be counted on for anything productive...yet, when the job ran behind, these men didn't hear a sound out of my superiors. I was the one getting the ram stick from the rear, not them. I was in a dead end rut...

Now, I do something that I LOVE to do. I have always said, I am a pervert by trade. I wake up in the morning, go fix my coffee, eat a boiled egg. I take my morning shit while reading the newspaper. I go to my computer desk and begin work for the day. Now, this work consists of, basically, looking at tits and ass, all day, and putting them into graphically pleasing layouts among other things. Real tough job I must say after years of walking around in the mud, shovel and laborer in tow. My kids get home from school and we have afternoon snack. We watch some cartoons together, play outside, play Xbox whatever. Mom gets back home and we go out to dinner most nights. Nothing fancy granted. Actually, it's probably a little bar-b-q place here in town called Parker's which has the best pork bar-b-q and cornbread sticks in the world. Dinner, for all 4 of us, usually runs around $50-$60. We then leave, come home, spend some time together and go to bed.

Last year, we went on vacation to various locales here in the U.S. 3 times. I own two timeshares but no second or third house or anything. I live a somewhat simple life, but I am happy. This is the happiest I have ever been in my entire life. I am comfortable. I don't scrape to pay bills. My kids don't want for much. I am relaxed now.

Does this all count as successful? Or do I need to be some eccentric money bags looking down his nose at the worker bees?

What I do find kind of funny, however, is most of the spouting done on these message boards by the "haves" is usually accompanied by some sort of secrecy about what it is they actually do. Don't get me wrong, I couldn't give two shits what ANYONE else on some porn webmaster forum makes, but I just think it's comical when I hear that, oh so cliche retort, "I don't need to show you what I make, just trust me, I pay more in taxes than you make in a year..." or some variation of it.

It's a good show for the idiots who sit all day and refresh the page, but those of us who are making a living doing this, and striving for more...don't really give a fuck lol. Good for you...glad you could find your path and make the best of it...but seriously...who fuckin cares?

Well, nick apparently a lot of people do especially the so called "old timers" because the first thing they do to shit on what they consider a newbie is to claim they do no businsess. Then they claim to know their traffic and pontificate about how they make no money and how they, the old time experts pay more in taxes than the newbie makes in a year. They then move on to references about their day jobs and blah blah blah...I am sure you have heard it all before. So, after the tirades we are led to believe that "they" actually know something because they are so "successful". However when a thread like this is posted, they duck and dive and refuse to step up to the bar and actually put up. I have seen it happen before. You see, in business, you don't want to take the advice of a crook, a failure, or a part time webmaster doing this for either "fun" or to pay for annual trip to Internext. That would not be a good path to follow if you want to succeed on the internet. That is why I posted this thread to see who actually is making a living out of this business and who is thus worth listening to. That makes sense to me. It has nothing to do with bragging rights and everything to do with credibility. But on this board, when called to task on any issue, there is usually a deathly silence. All the bullshit of don't you know who I am wears thin. So lets see. Simple question. Who here is successful on the net. Nice rant, but a bit misplaced in this thread. Its not a who cares thread its who is worth listening to thread. It sounds like you might be worth listening to.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

because the first thing they do to shit on what they consider a newbie is to claim they do no businsess. Then they claim to know their traffic and pontificate about how they make no money and how they, the old time experts pay more in taxes than the newbie makes in a year. They then move on to references about their day jobs and blah blah blah...

Actual we have evovled from that childish approach - now we just keep silent, and wait for the newbie to tell he does no business, he has no traffic, makes no money, pays no taxes, and that his day job sucks. You see this is the year 2006, and now the surfer is the webmaster - he is the star, and like any other reality show, then he is ready to tell everything, dance like a puppet, and bark like a dog, just to say "I work in porn"

[softball]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Actual we have evovled from that childish approach - now we just keep silent, and wait for the newbie to tell he does no business, he has no traffic, makes no money, pays no taxes, and that his day job sucks. You see this is the year 2006, and now the surfer is the webmaster - he is the star, and like any other reality show, then he is ready to tell everything, dance like a puppet, and bark like a dog, just to say "I work in porn"

I rest my case on Rolo. A perfect example. Yeah, yeah, yeah puppet dance...blah blah...organ grinder....blah blah...monkey...blah blah...newbie...blah blah....surfer/webmaster...blah blah...
Dance monkey dance.....blah blah blah

and on top of all of that he has the audacity to blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.....Imagine that from an experienced blah blah blah.
More bullshit than you can fit in a vw beetle.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

I rest my case on Rolo. A perfect example. Yeah, yeah, yeah puppet dance...blah blah...organ grinder....blah blah...monkey...blah blah...newbie...blah blah....surfer/webmaster...blah blah...
Dance monkey dance.....blah blah blah

and on top of all of that he has the audacity to blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda.....Imagine that from an experienced blah blah blah.
More bullshit than you can fit in a vw beetle.

Its funny that you and Joesho are just here to promote world peace, yet you find time to do threads like this, and call people out... If Gonzo was ever in doubt about the motives of these two, then I will would like to repost a fairy tale (names have been changed to protect the innocent)

Once upon a time, there lived an board owner who was quite an average fairy tale ruler, with one exception: he cared much about his clothes. One day he heard from two swindlers named Rhetoricol and Joesha that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position.

Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the cloth, the board owner first sent two of his trusted men to see it, Toba and Rcourto. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the cloth and so praised it. All the townspeople had also heard of the cloth and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.

The board owner then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. For he was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid.

Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the board owner, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until a boy said:

"But he has nothing on"!

This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the board owner had nothing on. The board owner heard it and felt that they were correct, but held his head high and finished the procession. Rhetoricol and Joesha escaped during the procession when they realized they had been found out.

The End

[softball]

Rolo, I gotta say, that was sooooooo unoriginal. I have seen that cut and paste about so many people on so many boards. Your creativity is boundless. Your wit, stupendous. Duh.. Oh yeah, like I said...blah blah...yadda yadda..emprorers new clothes...blah blah...puppetmaster...yadda yadda.

Rolo, wtf is wrong with you. Why are you so angry? bTW, still no update on your success and why anyone should listen to you. Oh yeah. Everyone was a surfer before they were webmasters. Get over it. It is just the way it works. Listen up grasshopper.

[NickPapageorgio]

All I have seen in this business, when it comes to boards anyway, is smoke and mirrors. I learned a long time ago, believe half of what you see with your own two eyes and nothing of what you hear. To any newbie reading this...that is the best single piece of advice I could give you. Don't believe the hype. Unless you personally see it with your own eyes, (and even then have your doubts) don't believe it, don't trust it, don't pay it any mind. You may just find yourself chasing shadows and ghosts.

That being said, as long as my bills are paid, my wife is happy, my business associates are satisfied with my work and my kids get what they want for christmas...I could give a rats ass what any of ya do. That is an ethic that has eluded many in this business me thinks. I subscribe to the "my own backyard" rule first and foremost.

It's like any other business though I suppose. Hell, when I was in lowly construction, one of the main topics of conversation amongst the workers was always what someone else was earning and the fact that they didn't deserve that kind of money, as opposed to conversations about what they could do as individuals to increase their own revenue. I guess it probably transcends every job in every market place.

[Joesho1]

I make a living on the web.

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

So, after the tirades we are led to believe that "they" actually know something because they are so "successful". However when a thread like this is posted, they duck and dive and refuse to step up to the bar and actually put up.

i would expect nothing different from someone who is truly successful.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Biggy

i would expect nothing different from someone who is truly successful.

Following that flawed logic, I would suspect that someone who is truly successful would not be posting on this or any other board.