Big Fish...

Nickatilynx · 08-24-2005

How would you judge a "big fish" ?

Would it be on income?

Traffic control?

Combination?

On income , I do not think a TGP owner would be considered a "big Fish"...

hmmmm........

Bhelliom · 08-24-2005

all of the above

DollarManSteve · 08-24-2005

Well, income should be a function of the other factors. To me, a Big fish is someone who I can deal in terms of big numbers with - whether that be in terms of sign-ups, traffic or whatever.

Hell Puppy · 08-24-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

How would you judge a "big fish" ?

Would it be on income?

Traffic control?

Combination?

On income , I do not think a TGP owner would be considered a "big Fish"...

hmmmm........

Market share.

Biggy · 08-24-2005

big tgp owners are big fish in todays environment. the big ones make high 6, low 7 figure income. in today's environment, thats at the top of the level. the other big fish are the affiliate owners themselves, and the big seo guys as well as mailers. anyone who pulls in over 500k/year net is a big fish IMO (thats solely from adult).

Dravyk · 08-24-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

How would you judge a "big fish" ?

Would it be on income?

Traffic control?

Combination?

On income , I do not think a TGP owner would be considered a "big Fish"...

hmmmm........

I would call the largest TGP owners a Big Fish, based partly on income, definitely on traffic and as HP said, market control.

And similarly, only thing you left out was said market control.

Although, if we move this discussion out of adult ... other factors such as Ability to Influence Others would certainly have to be added in. For example an industry where a company or CEO says, I think this is where we should be going, and weeks later all the support and production companies begin doing that.

Anthony · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

big tgp owners are big fish in todays environment. the big ones make high 6, low 7 figure income. in today's environment, thats at the top of the level. the other big fish are the affiliate owners themselves, and the big seo guys as well as mailers. anyone who pulls in over 500k/year net is a big fish IMO (thats solely from adult).

Big TGP owners make 7 figures? Really. By themselves? Or by creating their own paysite and program?

How did you get that information, as I don't see big TGP owners making it public.

Hell Puppy · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Big TGP owners make 7 figures? Really. By themselves? Or by creating their own paysite and program?

How did you get that information, as I don't see big TGP owners making it public.

We had a big TGP owner here once...

...but he got run over by the welcome wagon.

Biggy · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

Big TGP owners make 7 figures? Really. By themselves? Or by creating their own paysite and program?

How did you get that information, as I don't see big TGP owners making it public.

some make 7 figures, based off their traffic alone.

Dravyk · 08-25-2005

AL4A had to be the best at it. Leveraged some traffic to his paysites, got the webmasters to his affiliate program, opened up the hosting company, then the content shooting.

Richard probably did that best second. Greenie and Tommy third. PK fourth. And that's not including the Adult Buffet guys, the ones who now own World Sex and others.

A handful of TGP and Links List owners can make six figures with traffic alone to other people's paysites. None of them can make seven unless they leverage it to other diversified holdings. Certainly not now, and probably not even Then.

Anthony · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

some make 7 figures, based off their traffic alone.

You know this how?

JR · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Anthony

You know this how?

i am thinking...

uhm....

no way.

Anthony · 08-25-2005

I'm off to bed.

Nite all.

Baby Hurricane supposed to hit. I just cleaned all my guns, hoping we have some idiot who wants to loot come around.

A man can have dreams too.

Dravyk · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I'm off to bed.

Nite all.

Baby Hurricane supposed to hit. I just cleaned all my guns, hoping we have some idiot who wants to loot come around.

A man can have dreams too.

http://www.brunover.com/wav_gif/diehrd07.wav

Osiris · 08-25-2005

The Hun

Biggy · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Anthony

You know this how?

information doesn't come free

Sabby · 08-25-2005

Big Fish = How much money can they make ME?

Other than that I really could not care less.

Sabby

Biggy · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

We had a big TGP owner here once...

...but he got run over by the welcome wagon.

that was when cj and many others were saying there is no money in tgp. she blasted me for it, i swallowed my tongue and didnt say a word. i didnt need to, i was making money

something i thought about a very long time, never EVER say there is no money in something, there is money in EVERYTHING . look all around you, look at your desk, look outside the window, people are making millions off everything. if you walk down the street and see something, chances are somewhere out there, someone is making millions off whatever you are looking at .... whether you are making it though, is the question

Osiris · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

that was when cj and many others were saying there is no money in tgp. she blasted me for it, i swallowed my tongue and didnt say a word. i didnt need to, i was making money

something i thought about a very long time, never EVER say there is no money in something, there is money in EVERYTHING . look all around you, look at your desk, look outside the window, people are making millions off everything. if you walk down the street and see something, chances are somewhere out there, someone is making millions off whatever you are looking at .... whether you are making it though, is the question

One example is the pet rock! That thing made millions! Chances are someone told the guy he'll never make money from something like that..

Biggy · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Osiris

One example is the pet rock! That thing made millions! Chances are someone told the guy he'll never make money from something like that..

Exactly, its funny, but true. Look at anything around you, and im sure someone out there, made millions from it. If they didn't, chances are you wouldn't be looking at it

Sabby · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

Exactly, its funny, but true. Look at anything around you, and im sure someone out there, made millions from it. If they didn't, chances are you wouldn't be looking at it

Yep...

But unless you are extremely talented... You better be FIRST...

Cause someone else will always be there to take the wind from your sales!!!

Sabby

Peaches · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

some make 7 figures, based off their traffic alone.

Traffic alone or selling ad space plus some traffic? From what I can tell the main income producer for TGPs is selling adspace (and now "affiliate memberships"). If they were making $$$ off their traffic alone, there would be no need for paid spots as they could put thier own links in there and rake it in.

TheEnforcer · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

How would you judge a "big fish" ?

Would it be on income?

Traffic control?

Combination?

On income , I do not think a TGP owner would be considered a "big Fish"...

hmmmm........

A combination of all of the above.

Anthony · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

Traffic alone or selling ad space plus some traffic? From what I can tell the main income producer for TGPs is selling adspace (and now "affiliate memberships"). If they were making $$$ off their traffic alone, there would be no need for paid spots as they could put thier own links in there and rake it in.

I concur.

TGP owners tht make money also have their own affilaite programs. Makes sense.

TGP owners making 7 figures from just tgp traffic. Bullshit.

I've had a 800k unique site before, I could make 6 figures, but nowhere near 7, and this is back when that traffic was better.

Vick · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

We had a big TGP owner here once...

...but he got run over by the welcome wagon.

Or by the obvious thin skin and a business plan that runs opposite to and hurts mine

Gosh I guess since I ran him off everyone couldn't suck up to him for a little shitty traffic (loosely translated from "We wanted to learn from him")

Now beyond that

$$$$$ determines who the big fish is

Nickatilynx · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

some make 7 figures, based off their traffic alone.

For the sake of ease...

1m pa from traffic.

say $30 per signups.

33000 approx signups per yr

Roughly 100 plus joins a day sustained.

100 joins a day from a TGP, say it is converting at 1 in 1000 overall , 100,000 unique hits a day from a link.....Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

100,000 skim a day would be toough to do and on skim the conversions would be waaaaaaaay worse.Hell the click from a link would be doing VERY well at that level of traffic to convert at 1:1000

The only people that can sustain that level is mailers and SEOs..maybe SEOs.

Jast time I had a top gallery on the hun. I think the raw clicks i got to the gallery was around 100,000 ( granted this is ssome years ago)

I'd guess that the traffic to a main gallery is at least twice the clicks to a sponsor.

Nickatilynx · 08-25-2005

And...finally

I do not think a million a year makes you a big fish overall.

I'd suspect an orgainisation like the Python group does that in a week...no worries.

I think a traffic whore who can do 1m a yr is a big fish in that field, but in the industry as a whole ...nawwwww..

Dravyk · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I do not think a million a year makes you a big fish overall.

I'd suspect an orgainisation like the Python group does that in a week...no worries.

I think a traffic whore who can do 1m a yr is a big fish in that field, but in the industry as a whole ...nawwwww..

Now we're back to a big fish in a small pond or a big fish in the ocean again!

Dravyk · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabby

Yep...

But unless you are extremely talented... You better be FIRST...

Cause someone else will always be there to take the wind from your sales!!!

Well, years ago I'd have agreed with you. But today I no longer do.

I've spent a long time trying to think out of the box, be different, start something first, a new twist, a new thing altogether. But, as you said, (this part I agree with) there's always someone -- usually someones, plural -- that comes and nibbles away at you.

I've totally altered my businesss philosophy. From now on, I'd rather be the one who nibbles and takes away more and more from the other guys. So, fuck first. I'd rather move in to something existing and be BEST instead FIRST!

Nickatilynx · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dravyk

Well, years ago I'd have agreed with you. But today I no longer do.

I've spent a long time trying to think out of the box, be different, start something first, a new twist, a new thing altogether. But, as you said, (this part I agree with) there's always someone -- usually someones, plural -- that comes and nibbles away at you.

I've totally altered my businesss philosophy. From now on, I'd rather be the one who nibbles and takes away more and more from the other guys. So, fuck first. I'd rather move in to something existing and be BEST instead FIRST!

Oh gawd.......... LOL

Dravyk · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Oh gawd.......... LOL

Spit it out, Luuucy!

JoesHO · 08-25-2005

Evryone lies about money, some lie to say they make less than tey do, and others lie to say they make more than they do.

Dravyk · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by JoesHO1

Evryone lies about money, some lie to say they make less than tey do, and others lie to say they make more than they do.

I'll play Serge and ask which one you do? hehe

Biggy · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

I concur.

TGP owners tht make money also have their own affilaite programs. Makes sense.

TGP owners making 7 figures from just tgp traffic. Bullshit.

I've had a 800k unique site before, I could make 6 figures, but nowhere near 7, and this is back when that traffic was better.

Geo-IP ads didn't exist then

And anthony, I know people who have sites with 500k a day, and can't even make 5k/month. And I know people who run big TGPs and make 7 figures from traffic alone.

gonzo · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by JoesHO1

Evryone lies about money, some lie to say they make less than tey do, and others lie to say they make more than they do.

And some people claim to have the Penthouse suite at the Florida show but in fact are actually in the Don Johnson suite at the Holiday Inn 2 blocks down.

Its a 12 billion dollar business by all accounts. Im happy with a teeny slice.

Besides I think everyone will agree.... this sure beats working a normal job!

Anthony · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

Geo-IP ads didn't exist then

And anthony, I know people who have sites with 500k a day, and can't even make 5k/month. And I know people who run big TGPs and make 7 figures from traffic alone.

Biggy, I concede. There are better ways to sell now than yesteryear.

But what do i know, I'm just a sales and marketing guy.

Nickatilynx · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggy

Geo-IP ads didn't exist then .

wanna bet?

;-)))

Biggy · 08-25-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

For the sake of ease...

1m pa from traffic.

say $30 per signups.

33000 approx signups per yr

Roughly 100 plus joins a day sustained.

100 joins a day from a TGP, say it is converting at 1 in 1000 overall , 100,000 unique hits a day from a link.....Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

100,000 skim a day would be toough to do and on skim the conversions would be waaaaaaaay worse.Hell the click from a link would be doing VERY well at that level of traffic to convert at 1:1000

The only people that can sustain that level is mailers and SEOs..maybe SEOs.

Jast time I had a top gallery on the hun. I think the raw clicks i got to the gallery was around 100,000 ( granted this is ssome years ago)

I'd guess that the traffic to a main gallery is at least twice the clicks to a sponsor.

im going to pick your brain a little

its a little one sided to think to a TGP owner only promotes PPS programs. To get a little creative on you, I know one TGP guy who had his own P2P network developed and that was what he mainly pushed. With a few hundred thousand hits a day, over time he got a lot of installs... and made good money. Note: this is separate from the people i know who do 7 figures from traffic alone

Anthony · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

wanna bet?

;-)))

I just gave up. Found reading about concealed holsters more interesting.

Nickatilynx · 08-25-2005

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I just gave up. Found reading about concealed holsters more interesting.

I noticed LOL

The Other Steve · 08-26-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

For the sake of ease...

1m pa from traffic.

say $30 per signups.

33000 approx signups per yr

Roughly 100 plus joins a day sustained.

100 joins a day from a TGP, say it is converting at 1 in 1000 overall , 100,000 unique hits a day from a link.....Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwww

100,000 skim a day would be toough to do and on skim the conversions would be waaaaaaaay worse.Hell the click from a link would be doing VERY well at that level of traffic to convert at 1:1000

The only people that can sustain that level is mailers and SEOs..maybe SEOs.

.

Very maybe - I heard some reliable figures a couple of months back and they were definitely not making a million a year. About half of that for one of the top guys was what I heard.

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Nickatilynx Banned Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver Canada Posts: 15,115	Re: Big Fish... And...finally I do not think a million a year makes you a big fish overall. I'd suspect an orgainisation like the Python group does that in a week...no worries. I think a traffic whore who can do 1m a yr is a big fish in that field, but in the industry as a whole ...nawwwww..

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