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the email panel should NOT be a leak, the surfer doesn't have to leave the page to submit or can be taken to small confirm email addy page
Why the fuck would you want potential revenue to leave (unless you're bringing them back around after a confirm minus the ref code)
Also there is the cookie tracking shave (which is what I and every CBill proggy does)
Surfer is cookied on the redirect (which can work in favor of the affiliate because that cookie stays on through exits and can count for sales at other sites owned by the same proggy)
Stats have told me over the years that less than 10% of surfers have cookies turned off
and that's why Cloud 9 Cash pays 60% (or more if you can send significant GOOD joins) and pays the processing fees
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the email panel should NOT be a leak, the surfer doesn't have to leave the page to submit or can be taken to small confirm email addy page
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Yes, but most of the email boxes offer 'free porn' to your email....well, hmm...let me weigh that.....'free porn' to my email.....or $29.99 on my cc......hmmmmmmmmmmm
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the email panel should NOT be a leak, the surfer doesn't have to leave the page to submit or can be taken to small confirm email addy page
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So, let's say you send 10,000 uniques to someone, and get no signups, but 10% leave their email addy. You get $0, and they get 1,000 new email addys.
You're ok with that?
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I think thats called a "leak" by some people but not a shave....
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Maybe I should have been clearer in my initial post:
My point is that while there's lots of talk about shaving, I think there's lot's of other stuff going on to worry about, probably more than "classic shaving".
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and if you're going 0 for 10,000 you need to change the proggys you are using and th eemail collections is not a real concern
either it's shit traffic, a really bad match (gay traffic to a hardcore site or whatever) or something is really screwed
any way, do you stick with an 0 for 10,000 situation?
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Let me take it one step further
What if the emails collected from that panel are mailed to and have affiliates sites in them?
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But that's the point I'm trying to make:
If they take your traffic, collect the emails of the surfers you are sending them, and then mail them with offers which you don't get part of the take from, how is that not cheating you? Saying you don't care if someone collects the emails of the surfers you send is almost ( I said ALMOST) like saying you're willing to share your email list for free.
(and the 0 for 10,000 was just to make the illustration easy, pick any numbers you want, it still ends up as money out of your pocket).
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for who?  
We know the shave has to exist, anyone who thinks different is fooling themselves
With smoke and mirror payouts, that's what happens
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The surfer hits your site before your sponsors, so it's down to you to get the email addy first!
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FREE THE EMAILS!
oh shit Gonzo gimmick infringement
If ya Smellllllllllllllllll
What the .......
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All I say is If a site is not focused on making a sale for you, why send traffic?
That's really all it boils down too...
And btw, I see a few of the people who were giving Red a hard time about their horrible paysites with the traffic links arguing the other way in this thread... funny...
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All I say is If a site is not focused on making a sale for you, why send traffic?
That's really all it boils down too...
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With you there 100%
But there has got to be profit or the proggy will obviously die. The proggy dies - no pay. The proggy is in business to make money for it's self and to do that6 affiliates must make $
all this is very simple
But the proggy $ comes first, someone may want to tell you different but I'd be wary if that's what someone was trying to sell me
and this thread started about shaves (no one has said anything about the cookie shave but me) and has worked it's way around to email collection
Hmmmmmm
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p.s. and it's not cheating
It's covering a smoke and mirrors payout that is artificially inflated to attract more affiliates than the next program
Some affiliates want everything. Free this, that, a $40 payout on a free trial and the other and then no shave.
ah ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bottom line is if the wire/check at the end of the week/month or if the prepay is good and you can cover the joins where do you get the most $ for the least work/stress/bullshit
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p.s. and it's not cheating
It's covering a smoke and mirrors payout that is artificially inflated to attract more affiliates than the next program
Some affiliates want everything. Free this, that, a $40 payout on a free trial and the other and then no shave.
ah ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bottom line is if the wire/check at the end of the week/month or if the prepay is good and you can cover the joins where do you get the most $ for the least work/stress/bullshit
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DrGuile - if you're referring to your Private Feeds program (which I believe is a quality product, I've seen the inside some of the feeds and such)
we're sort of comparing apples to oranges
Private Feeds is a % of the gross sale payout, it benefits you to sell everyone as much as you possibly can to keep the affiliates sending more traffic
Your payout structure is sound and your business model is such that you don't need to shave.
Look at the few $40 (or whatever) per free trial join membership sites left, thats a tight competitive market with ever shrinking margins.
You have to go a long way to keep that $40 per payout profitable
Norelco anyone
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From Blazing Saddles
"Either I'm really , really good or these guys are so dumb"
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I've shaved a guy 90% percent and he thanked me!!! 
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DrGuile - if you're referring to your Private Feeds program (which I believe is a quality product, I've seen the inside some of the feeds and such)
we're sort of comparing apples to oranges
Private Feeds is a % of the gross sale payout, it benefits you to sell everyone as much as you possibly can to keep the affiliates sending more traffic
Your payout structure is sound and your business model is such that you don't need to shave.
Look at the few $40 (or whatever) per free trial join membership sites left, thats a tight competitive market with ever shrinking margins.
You have to go a long way to keep that $40 per payout profitable
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Right, I agree 100%, which is why you should send your traffic to programs that have a sound business model.
It just makes sense.
now, ask me for our signup link
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Programs I made fortunes with all had GREAT business models...
1.) Serge
2.) High Society
3.) Paris Hilton
All really sound business models , and there business model was this..
"Our check will be bigger for exactly the same traffic"
Veterans and Pros count money , newbies fret over clicks.
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Programs I made fortunes with all had GREAT business models...
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All really sound business models , and there business model was this..
"Our check will be bigger for exactly the same traffic"
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Not quite, it was a sound business model because there was no competition, and they werent going to disapear since they were hugely profitable from cheating everyone...
....man... where was I then??
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Now you mention it , my money is on you being in one of the following places:
a.) High school
b.) Prison
c.) France
d.) Gay bar
e.) Wales
f.) pissing me off on another board in a different name.
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"""""because there was no competition, and they werent going to disapear since they were hugely profitable from cheating everyone..."""""
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Probably college for most of it...
Ever heard the Electric Six song "Gay Bar"?
http://www.drguile.com/temp/gaybar.avi
Im sure its right up your alley...
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It has nothing to do with who gets the email addy first.....that hit was sent to purchase a membership. If there is a 'free' email offer on the page it lowers the chances of my surfer buying a membership.
If I wanted to collect emails off my traffic, I could do that myself.....but, I've never been into mailing, and choose to send my traffic to sponsors and sell memberships.
I'm not saying I never send traffic to sponsors who use mail boxes....I'm just saying that logically, it will lower my chances for a sign up.
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