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Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.
Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 12:24 PM Mike,
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:
1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs
Have I left anyone out? ;-))))
As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.
Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!
Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM Mike,
Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.
Are we talking about people stealing from the surfers? ripping them off? Cramming their credit cards??
Or just webmasters fucking other webmasters?
One is where the REAL big money is at, the other is for petty thieves....
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 07:51 PM
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Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:
1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs
Have I left anyone out? ;-))))
As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.
Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 12:51 PM
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Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:
1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs
Have I left anyone out? ;-))))
As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.
Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!
Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 01:51 PM
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Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?
In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:
1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs
Have I left anyone out? ;-))))
As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.
Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!
;-))
Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....
There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.
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Originally posted by voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 01:59 PM Thats easy.
Seth.
Don't forget your boss!
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Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....
There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.
I think I am just more realistic....
Things I have seen the moralists bitch about....
1.) back in the day,I had to deal with a complete shit fest when I allowed CONDOM members to have feckin consoles for Christsake.
I'll skip all the way to the present day mailer situation........
18,143,569.) No affiliate program owners willing to accept mail until spamwealth...(which got fucked faster than a virgin hooker in phuket! btw)
;-))
I mean...come on Mike.
I have respect for what you have achieved but lets get real here.
Morals change as fast as the weather.So bundle up winters coming ;-)))
I have heard Pete is STILL getting money from people.
Despite all the piss and it becoming slowly known that he has had nothing to do with either me or sextraffic in months.
Why?
The possibility of email hits and plenty of them.The possibility,mind.
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I'm honest ;-))
Now where's this shit??
Smartass!!
Its over there with the hes teeth. ;-)))
Originally posted by voodooman+Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM-->
QUOTE (voodooman @ Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM)
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Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 17 2003, 02:17 PM
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Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....
There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.
I think I am just more realistic....
Things I have seen the moralists bitch about....
1.) back in the day,I had to deal with a complete shit fest when I allowed CONDOM members to have feckin consoles for Christsake.
I'll skip all the way to the present day mailer situation........
18,143,569.) No affiliate program owners willing to accept mail until spamwealth...(which got fucked faster than a virgin hooker in phuket! btw)
;-))
I mean...come on Mike.
I have respect for what you have achieved but lets get real here.
Morals change as fast as the weather.So bundle up winters coming ;-)))
I have heard Pete is STILL getting money from people.
Despite all the piss and it becoming slowly known that he has had nothing to do with either me or sextraffic in months.
Why?
The possibility of email hits and plenty of them.The possibility,mind.
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I'm honest ;-))
Now where's this shit??
Smartass!!
Its over there with the hes teeth. ;-)))
Nick you are very good at this, but it does not work for me....
I know you better, and your history.
Sure everyone accepts mail, and is mailing - but there are different levels of mailing. Sending targeted mail to processor lists and such one thing, sending out gazillions of harvested e-mails, including to children, pushing the type of sites you do.... well that is a whole other story.
The funny thing is, we both have a general idea where we stand in this business.... you have done things most people would never even consider - even during a long hard winter.... and what do you have to show for it?? ( remember this is me you are talking too - no need to puff up your net worth.... I know better)
Nick you really should become a barristar.... because you are a VERY talented advocate. Maybe a politican... I could see you in CNN Crossfire...
I have full respect for this - just not the way you do business.
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Originally posted by voodooman+Sep 17 2003, 02:39 PM-->
QUOTE (voodooman @ Sep 17 2003, 02:39 PM)
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Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by -voodooman@Sep 17 2003, 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by -Mike AI@Sep 17 2003, 01:01 PM
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Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.
You may think you know me through a combination of public image and hearsay.But you don't know me. ;-)))
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Sending targeted mail
Only mail I send.I do not send harvested emails.Frankly the 'heat' is not worth it.
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pushing the type of sites you do.... well that is a whole other story
What sort of sites would those be?
I have only sent traffic in the last 6 mths to my own sites and those of trusted affiliates.All totally legal sites.
Though they may not meet your known high standards of pornography ;-))
If you are accusing me of sending mail to KP sites, we have a serious problem.I would like clarification of your veiled insinuation.
I have not and never would go down that route.
You see I do have morals.
My own.( note: morals may be subject to fluctuation)
Not yours.
And I do not hide behind a fascade of morality.
As for how well I've done....
I ain't starving and still process 6 figures a mth.Which if you make a KP allegation against me, I'll happily divert every penny of.
Last edited by Nickatilynx at Sep 17 2003, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Toolz@Sep 17 2003, 01:48 PM Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.
Referring to shaving, Im talking about Ice Cold Cash, not TCG
Nick just because we have never met does not mean I do not know you. Remember we have MANY friends in common.... infact a few ICQed me this afternoon in response to this thread.
You can rest your Barristar.... I do NOT accuse you of any KP. I know even in the worst jails, people who fuck with kids end up like that catholic priest. There is still a code of honor amoung most theives.
Oh and Nick, I like you. I think you are one of the funnier, wittier people I know from the biz.... a lot like JoeE in many ways in my mind.
One thing this industry has given me, and I am not sure if its a good or bad thing is the ability to seperate personal and business views of people....
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Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.
Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
There is still a code of honor amoung most theives
Thank you ;-))
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Oh and Nick, I like you. I think you are one of the funnier, wittier people I know from the biz.... a lot like JoeE in many ways in my mind.
One thing this industry has given me, and I am not sure if its a good or bad thing is the ability to seperate personal and business views of people....
I like you too, Mike and I admire the way you run your business and conduct yourself.
For a sanctamonious prig you have done very well ;-)))
Maybe we could do an Oprano Crossfire show sometime with you on the right,Serge in the middle,and me in Bolivia ;-)))
Originally posted by Bex@Sep 17 2003, 12:04 PM Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.
Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
Sounds about right, amazing what you can pickup being a fly on the wall. Why I've found it much easier to keep my ears open instead of my mouth as of late
Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.
Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
Classic post!!!!!
ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))
Originally posted by *KK*+Sep 17 2003, 03:05 PM-->
QUOTE (*KK* @ Sep 17 2003, 03:05 PM)
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Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Sep 18 2003, 06:11 AM
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Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.
Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
Classic post!!!!!
ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))
my mind runs wild imagining which bit might be the ironic part.. h34r:
Sorry about that, I guess I have a twisted mind. ;-)))
I was just reading it as follows:
"swapping databases" = very immoral.
"gambling" = is considered by many very immoral and a vice.
So I thought it sounded a bit like...
"Remember when we were planning to rob that bank and over heard those scumbags talking about about whacking those guys"
or
"When I hacked that guys web site and found his emails planning rthat robbery"
ahhhhh fuck it....never mind...I guess its just me.
I'm easily amused.
I'm a crossbill away from becoming fully Kremened beyond all belief.
(never let the truth get in the way of a good story)
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Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.
Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?
No shit!!
I was on the next table playing blackjack,talking about exchanging databases!!
The way Bex and I gamble can be more akin to "Helping pay for the toliets in the hotel" Though the Venetian may seem like a big heartless corporation if we didn't stop in and donate money to them there'd be no where to expell all the free booze they give you, it's a vicious circle.
The way Bex and I gamble can be more akin to "Helping pay for the toliets in the hotel" Though the Venetian may seem like a big heartless corporation if we didn't stop in and donate money to them there'd be no where to expell all the free booze they give you, it's a vicious circle.
ahahahahahaha sounds the same as me.
I consider it tipping on a grand scale. ;-))
Now back to your original thread....and not wishing to be the pot calling out the kettle,but
09-17-2003
h34r:
yeah that's Ironic..
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