Mike,

Based on your previous post in another thread I've been inspired. Based on all the theft, corruption, and greed I've seen in this business who would rank in the tops of the biggest crooks on the net? Granted I'm sure everyone of us can name someone who's scammed a few thousand, but how about the million dollar crooks of the biz?

BTW, I can name at least 3 who've scammed in excess of 10k and are still working and prospering.




Last edited by Toolz at Sep 17 2003, 10:25 AM

They largely go by hidden and anonymous and don't post on the boards....

I would give you some of their names.....

But I like breathing for now..............







:yowsa:

I'm the lyrical Jesse James.

Does that count for anything?

Steve Goldman,
Cohen...

two that come to mind

I'm the lyrical Jesse James.

Does that count for anything?[/b][/quote]
The Jessie James of Rock and Roll is one Jessie James Dupree....

In no particular order.....the biggest scammers are:

1.) anyone with an affiliate program accepting traffic
2.) anyone sending traffic to an affiliate program.
3.) employees of the above 1 and 2
4.) Board whores
5.) Any owner of a webmaster resource
6.) Serge
7.) Anyone doing CC or Cheque processing.
8.) Anyone spamming either via mail,chatrooms,icq,IM or SE's
9.) anyone with a TGP or a builder of TGPs


Have I left anyone out? ;-))))

As I've said before,we are all whores the only variants are price and currency.

Show me a totally honest webmaster and I'll show you a pile of rocking horse shit!

;-))

Are we talking about people stealing from the surfers? ripping them off? Cramming their credit cards??

Or just webmasters fucking other webmasters?

One is where the REAL big money is at, the other is for petty thieves....

I'm honest ;-))

Now where's this shit??

I only scam chicks.

Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....


There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.

Thats easy.

Seth.

Don't forget your boss! :awinky:

Don't forget your boss! :awinky:[/b][/quote]
Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.

Nick at least you are consistent, you have been preaching ethical relalativism since day one. During this time I have seen you slip farther and farther down the road....


There are some ethical professional people in this industry, but not many... and the number is decreasing all the time.[/b][/quote]
:okthumb:

I think I am just more realistic....

Things I have seen the moralists bitch about....

1.) back in the day,I had to deal with a complete shit fest when I allowed CONDOM members to have feckin consoles for Christsake.

I'll skip all the way to the present day mailer situation........

18,143,569.) No affiliate program owners willing to accept mail until spamwealth...(which got fucked faster than a virgin hooker in phuket! btw)

;-))

I mean...come on Mike.

I have respect for what you have achieved but lets get real here.

Morals change as fast as the weather.So bundle up winters coming ;-)))

I have heard Pete is STILL getting money from people.
Despite all the piss and it becoming slowly known that he has had nothing to do with either me or sextraffic in months.

Why?

The possibility of email hits and plenty of them.The possibility,mind.

Smartass!!
Its over there with the hes teeth. ;-)))

If anyone crammed more than Crescent I would be impressed. Sure a few have tried though :matey:

Oh, that was low.

And I seriously doubt it.[/b][/quote]


Well don't kid yourself.

Nick you are very good at this, but it does not work for me....

I know you better, and your history.

Sure everyone accepts mail, and is mailing - but there are different levels of mailing. Sending targeted mail to processor lists and such one thing, sending out gazillions of harvested e-mails, including to children, pushing the type of sites you do.... well that is a whole other story.

The funny thing is, we both have a general idea where we stand in this business.... you have done things most people would never even consider - even during a long hard winter.... and what do you have to show for it?? ( remember this is me you are talking too - no need to puff up your net worth.... I know better)

Nick you really should become a barristar.... because you are a VERY talented advocate. Maybe a politican... I could see you in CNN Crossfire...

I have full respect for this - just not the way you do business.

Well don't kid yourself.[/b][/quote]
Mike,

Not that I would expect you to tell me, but does any of your programs
shave?

Reason I ask is this:

If Joe is such a theif, why does he NOT shave, but actually ADDS signups?
Shaving is kindof petty compared to what the discussion is about here.
Im not saying in the past he hasnt done anything to anyone, and Im not
saying he did, just that he's not the bad guy you obviously think he is.

Then again, everyone knows him better than I do, so arguing isnt going
to do any good.

BTW, It wasnt just him, he had a partner you know.

Mike,

Not that I would expect you to tell me, but does any of your programs
shave?

Reason I ask is this:

If Joe is such a theif, why does he NOT shave, but actually ADDS signups?
Shaving is kindof petty compared to what the discussion is about here.
Im not saying in the past he hasnt done anything to anyone, and Im not
saying he did, just that he's not the bad guy you obviously think he is.

Then again, everyone knows him better than I do, so arguing isnt going
to do any good.

BTW, It wasnt just him, he had a partner you know.[/b][/quote]
Nope no shaving.... We don't shave hits, signups, nothing.

I will open up my whole program and you can check it yourself.

I love Joe, I have been pulling for him to turn his life around for a long time. As I have been saying for 6 years, Joe is a Shakespearean Character....

But he definately gets at least a honorable mention in the Jesse James awards! :D

Now Voodoo I don't know if this was pre/post Joe's time at TCG but didn't JB openly admit on GFY that they had to shave to profit? There's a so called "shave" in everything, it's the nature of the beast no matter what you want to believe you'll never count 100% of the signups accurately, this is the net and abnormalities happen all the time. However in re. to what Mike is talking about the scamming of webmasters is really small time compared to some of the cramming/slamming that has happened in this biz.

You don't know me LOL.

We have never met.

You may think you know me through a combination of public image and hearsay.But you don't know me. ;-)))

Only mail I send.I do not send harvested emails.Frankly the 'heat' is not worth it.

What sort of sites would those be?

I have only sent traffic in the last 6 mths to my own sites and those of trusted affiliates.All totally legal sites.

Though they may not meet your known high standards of pornography ;-))

If you are accusing me of sending mail to KP sites, we have a serious problem.I would like clarification of your veiled insinuation.

I have not and never would go down that route.

You see I do have morals.
My own.( note: morals may be subject to fluctuation)
Not yours.

And I do not hide behind a fascade of morality.

As for how well I've done....
I ain't starving and still process 6 figures a mth.Which if you make a KP allegation against me, I'll happily divert every penny of.






Last edited by Nickatilynx at Sep 17 2003, 02:52 PM

Referring to shaving, Im talking about Ice Cold Cash, not TCG

OK..fuck it...I'm closer to the black area than the white. :-))

But all of us are just shades of grey.

all of us,Mike ;-)))

Nope no shaving.... We don't shave hits, signups, nothing.

I will open up my whole program and you can check it yourself.

I love Joe, I have been pulling for him to turn his life around for a long time. As I have been saying for 6 years, Joe is a Shakespearean Character....

But he definately gets at least a honorable mention in the Jesse James awards! :D[/b][/quote]
Mike

no need, I believe you.

ahhhh the shave!!!!!

Why I now send my own traffic to my own paysites.

Trouble is,habit I guess, I keep shaving myself. ;-)))

Its the epitome of what Colin wrote yrs ago in his build an empire.

Send your own traffic to your own network of paysites.Selfsufficency is a wionderful thing.

Nick just because we have never met does not mean I do not know you. Remember we have MANY friends in common.... infact a few ICQed me this afternoon in response to this thread.

You can rest your Barristar.... I do NOT accuse you of any KP. I know even in the worst jails, people who fuck with kids end up like that catholic priest. There is still a code of honor amoung most theives.

Oh and Nick, I like you. I think you are one of the funnier, wittier people I know from the biz.... a lot like JoeE in many ways in my mind.

One thing this industry has given me, and I am not sure if its a good or bad thing is the ability to seperate personal and business views of people....

Heh ... I remember a few years ago when people were looking to exchange billing databases at a show, and straight up bill the people a second time. It was in Vegas. I was pretty shocked to hear people talking about that shit. Just outright theft.

Toolz, I think we were gambling or something when we overheard that one. You remember?

A nod of ascension over here.

Thank you ;-))

I like you too, Mike and I admire the way you run your business and conduct yourself.

For a sanctamonious prig you have done very well ;-)))

Maybe we could do an Oprano Crossfire show sometime with you on the right,Serge in the middle,and me in Bolivia ;-)))

Sounds about right, amazing what you can pickup being a fly on the wall. Why I've found it much easier to keep my ears open instead of my mouth as of late :)

Classic post!!!!!

ahahahahahahahahhahahahaha love the irony. :-)))))

Referring to shaving, Im talking about Ice Cold Cash, not TCG[/b][/quote]
Okay so was Joe still with TCG when the statement was made?

A nod of ascension over here.[/b][/quote]
What color is beastie sites, and under 18 non nude teen sites? Would that Carbondale? Chesapeake? Dover Grey? Greymohr? Greystone?


:D

Sounds about right, amazing what you can pickup being a fly on the wall. Why I've found it much easier to keep my ears open instead of my mouth as of late :)[/b][/quote]
Hehe ... good advice to be sure!

Crossfire,

me on the left!!!!

:cdance:

Okay so was Joe still with TCG when the statement was made?[/b][/quote]
Toolz,

Of course one could argue that since
JoeE is still 50% Beneficiary, Fiduciary then
he would be 50% liable for it. But to answer
your question, NO, he wasnt.

beastie = a sorta off white cream colour,with maybe a dark grey pinstripe ;-)))))

U18 non nude = black

for me anyway.

:)



Last edited by Nickatilynx at Sep 17 2003, 03:23 PM

my mind runs wild imagining which bit might be the ironic part.. :ph34r:

my mind runs wild imagining which bit might be the ironic part.. :ph34r:[/b][/quote]
I agree ... not sure about any irony. LOL

I agree ... not sure about any irony. LOL[/b][/quote]
I don't know either.. but I reckon it's prolly a question best left unanswered if my intuition is anything to go by ;-))



Last edited by Opti at Sep 18 2003, 06:47 AM

Opti,Bex,

Sorry about that, I guess I have a twisted mind. ;-)))

I was just reading it as follows:

"swapping databases" = very immoral.
"gambling" = is considered by many very immoral and a vice.

So I thought it sounded a bit like...
"Remember when we were planning to rob that bank and over heard those scumbags talking about about whacking those guys"

or

"When I hacked that guys web site and found his emails planning rthat robbery"

ahhhhh fuck it....never mind...I guess its just me.

I'm easily amused.

I'm a crossbill away from becoming fully Kremened beyond all belief.

;-)))

Oh, my intuition was wrong :( yeah that's Ironic..

Should have left it to the imagination Like I suggested! What I had in mind was a much more interesting scenario! >:)) (sorry Toolz :P )

Ok...

(never let the truth get in the way of a good story)


No shit!!

I was on the next table playing blackjack,talking about exchanging databases!!

(Happier now?)

;-))))

Nah.. I feel a let down.... the reality just couldn't cut it with the fantasy... but I'm almost over it now. ;-))

Nick,

The way Bex and I gamble can be more akin to "Helping pay for the toliets in the hotel" Though the Venetian may seem like a big heartless corporation if we didn't stop in and donate money to them there'd be no where to expell all the free booze they give you, it's a vicious circle.

ahahahahahaha sounds the same as me.
I consider it tipping on a grand scale. ;-))

Now back to your original thread....and not wishing to be the pot calling out the kettle,but

I reckon its gotta be Seth.

but Mike is right...there are so many.

The first would be spotted or stripes, silly!

Don't forget your boss! :awinky:[/b][/quote]
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA

:wnw: :wnw: :wnw:

that would be my choice!!



cresent
seth
closely followed by joe