I wish to place a very smart post here on Oprano

[JoesHO]

No silly of course it is not written by me! this pearl of wisdom is credited to giorgioX and he used it to own 12clicks.. but it makes for good reading for any republicans in the house, or any intellectuals that would like to try their hand at disecting it.

enjoy.....

1) You forget we invaded Iraq. They didn't invade us. No terrorist based in Iraq was ever involved with any terrorist actions against the U.S. prior to the invasion.
2) Iraqis are being killed at a rate of 10 times faster than U.S. troops. The U.S. is a Christian army occupying an Islamic land. What do you expect them to do? Not fight? It's their country.
3) We never even declared war on Iraq. The War Powers act only authorizes a President 90 days without additional approval. We have been in country for 12 months.
4) The U.S. does not have a realistic and viable exit strategy. There will now be civil war in Iraq regardless of when we withdraw.
5) We made promises to the Iraq people that haven't been fulfilled.
6) The U.S. tortures Iraqi prisoners. What makes us any better than those crazy towelheads?
7) We have spent $150 billion so far. That equals the tax cuts the Bush Administration.
8) We assume those lunatics think like us. The Arabs are wackos. Why should we assume they will play along?
9) We support Israel which denies the fundamental and universal right of national self-determination. How un-American. Those Arab wackos don't see the difference between Israel and the U.S.
10) The Bush administration and those neo-conservative groups that put him into power are working to undermine the Constitution by saying they are defending it. Prayer and religion are much more important than free choice or free speech? I think not. What is patriotic about the Patriot Act?

A vote for Bush is a vote for a future of religious dictatorship of the Evangelical Right. Bush actually prays at night for guidance from God! God didn't save the 30 million Chinese during the Cultural Revolution, God didn't save the 20 million Cossacks killed during the Harvest of Sorrows, God didn't protect the 1.8 million Armenians massacred by Turks, God didn't shelter his chosen 6 million, the Jews.

I have been a dues paying member of the Rebulican Party since I was 18. Why were/are the intellectuals of the Repulican Party against the invasion and occupation of Iraq? William F. Buckley, Pat Buchannon, John McCain, and Bush's own father!

Why can't Bush admit he made a mistake? He tried at last month's news conference. He said that mistakes had been made. During the follow-up question, Bush was asked what those mistakes were. He couldn't list a single one. We have a buffoon as our leader and we will pay the price.

Real Republicans believe in the founding principles of limited government and trust in the individual citizen to make the right decision. The Constitution is much more important than the Bible.

[cj]

joesHO1, for once, we agree! That was a great post

[Almighty Colin]

1) You forget we invaded Iraq. They didn't invade us.

Every war is started by someone. This one was started by the US. Who forgot?

2) Iraqis are being killed at a rate of 10 times faster than U.S. troops.

Right, we're winning

3) We never even declared war on Iraq. The War Powers act only authorizes a President 90 days without additional approval. We have been in country for 12 months.

Further continuation of the power struggle between Congress and the President. Congress has means at its disposal to up the ante if it so wishes.

4) There will now be civil war in Iraq regardless of when we withdraw.

Completely conjectural. Who wrote that? Nostradamus? What makes this "smart"?

5) We made promises to the Iraq people that haven't been fulfilled.

Yet?

6) The U.S. tortures Iraqi prisoners. What makes us any better than those crazy towelheads?

We're not.

7) We have spent $150 billion so far.

Is that unreasonable? How much does an a-bomb cost? We could have saved a lot of money.

8) We assume those lunatics think like us. The Arabs are wackos.

True

9) Those Arab wackos don't see the difference between Israel and the U.S.

Uhhhh, duh. Millions of them believe that the US and Israel worked together to destroy the WTC and blame it on "the muslims". The US is not in control of the Muslim view of all outsiders as belonging to Dar al-harb.



10) The Bush administration and those neo-conservative groups that put him into power are working to undermine the Constitution by saying they are defending it. Prayer and religion are much more important than free choice or free speech? I think not. What is patriotic about the Patriot Act?

Many of the same people that believe that don't think of themselves as "undermining the Constitution" when they wish to ban the "right to bear arms". In fact, there's a strong overlap. Every American has a different view of the way the world should be and some of this conflicts with the US constitution. I respect the views of those who believe "we" shouldn't have the right to bear arms and I respect the views of those who believe that "religion is more important than free choice" though I believe both contradict the intent of the constitution and agree with neither.




Last edited by Colin at May 4 2004, 09:29 AM

[dantheman]

my cute and paste luke style ; )


This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in the Iowa Army
National Guard, serving in Iraq:

As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in
Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the
media. They have done a very poor job of covering everything that
has happened. I am sorry that I have not been able to visit all
of you during my two week leave back home. And just so you can
rest at night knowing something is happening in Iraq that is
noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the
list of things that has happened in Iraq recently: (Please share
it with your friends and compare it to the version that your paper
is producing.)

* Over 400,000 kids ha! ve up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels/* before the war*/.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons
stored there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded
from ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water/* for the
first time ever*/ in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did/*
before the war*/.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to
35%/* before the war*/.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city
councils are in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patro! lling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by
side with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones/* for the first time ever*/.
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques
to prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the
first time in 30 years.

Don't believe for one second that these people do not want
us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us
there, and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms
we talk about but they hope their children will. We are doing a
good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on
these facts. So If you happen to run into! John Kerry, be sure to
give him my email address and send him to Denison, Iowa. This
soldier will set him straight. If you are like me and very
disgusted with how this period of rebuilding has been portrayed,
email this to a friend and let them know there are good things
happening.

Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion

[MikeW]

owning GFYer is easy,
OpraNO IS another story
))

good job colin, dan!

Serge

[Vick]

Colin & Dan

JoesHO1 - you will let us know when you're going to make the "smart" post won't you

If it's not obvious the owned concept really doesn't work here well, in fact I feel queasy just using that word in a post

[RawAlex]

Dan, considering that the US military was caught "creating" letters home for many of the soldiers to help "spread the good word", I take that letter as nothing more than total 100% political horseshit. While many of the "facts" may be correct, they do not clearly show the causes of these situations...

Some of those are things that are not easily verified, and the numbers are "golly-fied" to make it sound good. 60,000 police SOUNDS like a good number, until you realize that there are also almost 200,000 combined troops in the country, and they still are not able to maintain order, as an example.

Don't be a victim of propaganda, no matter how nice of a suger coat they put on it.

Alex

[Almighty Colin]

Originally posted by RawAlex@May 4 2004, 10:22 AM
Don't be a victim of propaganda, no matter how nice of a suger coat they put on it.

Alex

Alex,

I've always wondered. Are you really so self-righteous that you believe you form your opinions of the world based upon knowledge, wisdom, intellect, and keen insights while those who disagree with you are victims of propaganda or do you just come across that way?

[DrGuile]

Originally posted by Colin+May 4 2004, 10:38 AM-->