Don't remember if I was laughing but know I was a doubter
*******************************

you are correct on this one
;-))
Serge

The year is not over yet but looks like you would have won the bet
We were looking at 2001 compared to 2002
************************

Time flying when you are having fun...
;-))
but..
it was the year 2000,
place: Netpond owned by Nick,
we haven't talked about it this year,
so...
;-)))
Serge

Don't remember if I was laughing but know I was a doubter
Learning experience ;-)
Sometimes experience is what you get when ......


Vick Serge was right I was wrong but still making $ ;-)

Serge you did and I was the one laughing, I thought of that today.

The year is not over yet but looks like you would have won the bet
We were looking at 2001 compared to 2002




Vick Serge was right I was wrong but still making $ ;-)

Until 2001 we fought for growth, now we struggle for market share.
********************************

...and who said in January of 2001 that one will be lucky to break even with 2000 and who was laughed for saying that and who doubted him the most?

Vick, this question is for you
;-))
Serge

Jim,
right on the money and from my experience:
Shave goes UP in the tougher times,
been there, done that,
shot the flash movie
;-)))
Serge

I love all the talk of bad times for most people....I am actually viewing this summer as an OPPORTUNITY!

It is perfect time to TAKE some market share!

People will be looking for new revenue streams as the shaves start to increase to help profitability for the big boys...a lot of success in this business is being in the right place at the right time......with the right program!

=))
JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

Vick you make excellent points, perspective is very important.

Those who have been around for more then 5 years and have been settled in can see from a different persepctive, then a small guy who has only been around for a few years.

Also the bigger a company is the larger the decrease or increase statisticly wise.

Will be an long, hot, apparently dry summer - will see how it turns out.


Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

MikeAi
Nice post, not far off from what I posted last week.

Until 2001 we fought for growth, now we struggle for market share.

I think the small and mid sized guys will get squeezed out first, (with the exception of any "players" that are subject to poor management, misappropriation of funds or downright stupidity).

Reasons being the larger programs can "adjust" their payouts to try to maintain profit ratios. Worse case a large program could close their doors, cut staff and live off the rebills, traffic purchases and traffic that will always hit their sites (think about it, Serge's Cash has been out of business for years and still gets traffic). For that much they could come back under a new name in a few months and still keep their old sites as a revenue stream

The small company making 20K a month that has sales drop to 10K-12K per month this summer will be cutting staff he and is burdened by overhead. That could be a recipe for closing the doors

I take it with a grain of salt when hearing there is no summer slowdown (depending on the source). Someone new to the business who had 10 sales a day last month could have 12 sales a day this month and claim no slowdown, but that would be relevant to size and not applicable to all.

Still think we will see the rough time I spoke of and for the most part this being the worse summer ever. The winners will be who has the $ to buy at disaster prices

I actually expect to see a small rebound in the adult Internet Business maybe as early as Q4 2002 if this summer produces a shakeout

But then again I have been wrong before ........

What will I do if/when the porn bubble busts? Have a few small mainstream interests and other things



Vick Keeping members and making money

I am looking for some new Pay Per Signup programs. Preferably some smaller ones. Anyone have any suggestions?

I have used all the big boys, and while some continue to very well for me - especially ARS, I am looking for something fresh and new...

If you have any suggestions, post them - or if you are too shy - e-mail me...

michael at opranoDOTcom
Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

HAHA Serge, I am sure Ron would not be happy being called a cockroach... but in reality its a huge compliment.
Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

Same can be said about CE as well, Ron and I might not always see eye to eye, but he is the cockroach of Online Porn - he will never go away or be destroyed.


Mike AI
***************************

Definate PEARL!
;-)))
Serge

Serge a law that would restrict free porn, especially hardcore porn would help this industry out a lot.

A law that would make all porn go to a .XXX domain would be potential disaster....


Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

Serge you are rigth about staying power of the big companies. While some many not be making what they used too, we have seen some amazing comebacks...

Look at what CEN went through the past few years - everyone thought numerous times they were going to be out for the count, yet they keep fighting back.

Same can be said about CE as well, Ron and I might not always see eye to eye, but he is the cockroach of Online Porn - he will never go away or be destroyed.


Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

I still am hoping for a successful COPA law passed by the US Congress, though it would not be as big a boom as it would have been 3 years ago with all the P2P programs out there, the major limiations of free porn would provide a boom for the industry....

*******************************

at this stage of the game,
"Be careful what you are wishing for...or you might get it"
;-)
Serge

I wonder how big Miami's show will be?


Mike AI
**********************

I am not that curious, you can drop me a post card
;-)))
Serge

Eventually more and more people will drop out - first it will be some of the bigger people, with the large overheads, and large spending habits...
************************

well.....as long as they are not mortgaged to the wazoo,
they can always CUT overhead and trim jet flights to Europe at $250,000 a pop,
;-)))
I think those have more staying power than you give them credit for,
;-))
Serge

HAHA Serge, I thought General = Dean... I did not forget him.

I never understood when people would say there is no summer slowdown, that money is at all time high. While that could be the case in specific instances, it is not overall trend in the business.

One can just look at the tradeshows, and see how much smaller they are getting....

I wonder how big Miami's show will be?


Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

whoops, you did say General, my bad
;-)
Serge

I have also tried cutting back on my lifestyle choices, not spending as much money on things that have no chance of ever coming back to me.
***************************

I HOPE it covers WCOM bonds
;-)))
Serge

Who is smooth enough, has enough braind and $$$ to seize business from Marc De, Dean, Timon, or the boys from WEG?
*************************

you forgot General...
he is like AOL nowadays,
and his "extensions" can be found all over "hard drive"
;-))

Talking about General,
I think he was the last Big Player emerging from scratch and this goes back to 1997.....
Serge

Serge that is a very important question. There are a lot of people bragging that there is no summer slowdown, and profits for them are at all time highs. I do not beleive it.
*************************************

hahahahahha,
I think RB was a champ of "july record sales"
;-))
Serge

Serge that is a very important question. There are a lot of people bragging that there is no summer slowdown, and profits for them are at all time highs. I do not beleive it.

The Online Porn Pie has stopped growing, there is not more free peices left like 3-4 years ago, and reality the pie is shrinking! It is very similiar to when the Unites States was exampnding across the continent.

Since the Pie will no longer grow, in order for someone to get a bigger peice of the pie, they will have to seize it from someone else. Therefore it has become a sumezero game - and on top of it, its a game where the overall money for it is shrinking rapidly.

Online porn will be here forever, but the golden ages, the Pax Pornana are over. There are still opportunities, like in any industry - it is just they will not be as easy to seize like they used to be. In order to get more business one will have to seize it from others. Who is smooth enough, has enough braind and $$$ to seize business from Marc De, Dean, Timon, or the boys from WEG?

The pie is what it is, in reality none of us can effect it, to get any bigger. The internet has lost some of its novelty ( you see polls where people are spending less time on the net), people have been burned by scammers and afraid to use credit card on net, surfers have become educated about chargebacks, they know they can get porn for free ( p2p amoung other ways), the economy has slowed down a lot no more boom, the list can go on and on ( this was just at top of my head).

I too have been trying to diversify my business interests, and invest in other projects. So far none of them could make up the income I would lose from my adult business, but they are growing everyday. I have also tried cutting back on my lifestyle choices, not spending as much money on things that have no chance of ever coming back to me.

Eventually more and more people will drop out - first it will be some of the bigger people, with the large overheads, and large spending habits... one of the problems in this indsutry for the small time people who are happy to make $1,000 - $5,000 a month - these guys are never going to go away. Many of these guys hurt the industry as well. One of the problems when the cost to get into this industry is so low.

I still am hoping for a successful COPA law passed by the US Congress, though it would not be as big a boom as it would have been 3 years ago with all the P2P programs out there, the major limiations of free porn would provide a boom for the industry....

Well I have rambled on too long as it is.... Sharky it is my MOM's porch, not Granny.... just want to make sure you know where you are going! I will save you a spot!


Mike AI Make money on Amateur Sites.... I can show you how!

Dan,
we are not mentally "primed" to retire early.

it's much harder than it sounds
;-))
Serge
______________________

I am!!!
and I have my eye on a little section of beach in Belize just for that
;)

Dan I got your mail and may have something for ya =)
Forest

retired adult webmaster

:))
dantheman
***********************

Dan,
we are not mentally "primed" to retire early.

it's much harder than it sounds
;-))
Serge

Thinking ahead is a must when you have a child:-)


sharky spreading my wings
******************************

...I tell my children to start thinkijng ahead EARLY
;-))
Serge (New FREEBIE to adult webmasters)

WHAT'S NEXT IN A LIFE OF ADULT WEBMASTER?
Serge
------------------

retired adult webmaster

:))
dantheman

no, Forest, no....
MAJORITY of lottery winners find themselves in dire straights withing 3 years after the winning and chances of winning it again are next to zero.
____________________________
The key there is they dont know what to do with the money. They get spending fever.

Forest

Sharky, Ulfie,
that was a serious question....
Serge
Sat, 11 May - 07:15:36 172.167.66.96 Post #: 79736
----------------

In all seriousness Serge, I've already started to plant my roots in non-adult.. both on and off the internet. In one case, the roots are already taking and starting to grow (profit)...

I wasn't always one for thinking ahead, but once my daughter was born my outlook on the future changed. Thinking ahead is a must when you have a child:-)


sharky spreading my wings

Timon,
believe it or not,
but I have a feeling you'll do fine under ANY circumstances
;-))
Serge

Yep I earn it in green but I usually spend it in yellowish brown
and get thrice the value ;-)

Timon (Are you a player?)

Timon,
your loss, you make your $$$ in Dollars
;-)))


Serge

Yep, soon we'll be referring to money as "blue" rather than "green" :-))

Timon (Are you a player?)

I think the real question is who is going to be cooking those beans?

The ones with the big overheads? The fast buck artists? The ones that will step over ever line for a buck?
*************************

I wish I knew the answer to this one....but the rule of thumb is
the less one has business experience and lack of knowledge how the real world works,
the more chances one has to nail dream job at Taco Bell
;-)))
Serge (New FREEBIE to adult webmasters)

once is all you need
;))))


Forest
*******************

no, Forest, no....
MAJORITY of lottery winners find themselves in dire straights withing 3 years after the winning and chances of winning it again are next to zero.

If one doesn't have "da plan",
"one timers" won't find the salvation.

Take a Porn Daddy, for example.
He did struck the gold, cashed it in,
sold few good domains and....
he's been back for a few years now
(I guess internet stocks were NOT the good way to park the money ;-)
and I don't see him mining gold second time around.
Serge

Selling neked never dies, it just changes shape on how it is sold. Who can adapt?

;-))


VegasLee
**********************

so true....there is stil gold in Alaska but...try making living getting THAT gold
;-(((
Serge

Money isn't green, its silver
*********************************

...and if US$ keep on falling in relation to Euro,
the color of money will be more "euroean"
;-)))
Serge

I know....happened to me once
;-)))
Serge
Sat, 11 May - 07:39:00 172.167.66.96 Post #: 79759
_____________________________
once is all you need
;))))


Forest

Serge,

I think the real question is who is going to be cooking those beans?

The ones with the big overheads? The fast buck artists? The ones that will step over ever line for a buck?

Selling neked never dies, it just changes shape on how it is sold. Who can adapt?

;-))


VegasLee You want fries with that?

Other chat boards?.....what other chat boards...you mean theres more?
JimMr$$$
********************

sure, and I find this one to be quite all right:
http://www.pornresource.com/article.php?aid=579
Serge

Money isn't green, its silver
i'm looking at all my money i have here
nicel, 2 dimes, 5 quarters
where do you get green
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

On purpose, by accident
the money is still green
;))))
Forest
*************************

I know....happened to me once
;-)))
Serge

I plan on starting a rock band when the porn biz slows down.
Should I play guitar? drums? skin flute?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

As with everything, some of us will keep making money in this business as in any business, the weak will die. That is ok though, Taco Bell always needs employees, someone has to cook the beans!

;-)


VegasLee
**************************

VL,
glad we agree and now the question is...will those guys at Taco Bell wink knowingly that they were once the part of the "technological revolution" on GFY?
;-)))
Serge

I own a stripper agency, maybe if I work it as much as a work aol im, it would be a ton of $$
and If I booked 1 on 1s I'd be on easy street
but i have morals
and FEAR of jail
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

but you DO have enough enthusiasm to struck gold one of those days by pure accident
;-))
Serge
Sat, 11 May - 07:34:26 172.167.66.96 Post #: 79754
___________________________
On purpose, by accident
the money is still green
;))))
Forest

I am using TV, Radio and the adult webmaster communities unique marketing tools to do this

get them from every end
Kinda like meni
;)
Forest
*************************

Forest,
I don't know about others, but you got me curious,
let us know.
You never struck me as a "visionary",
but you DO have enough enthusiasm to struck gold one of those days by pure accident
;-))
Serge

One day at a time, sweet Jesus
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

We can get together with a few more apartment buildings and open low rent housing for out of work adult webmasters!
*****************************
Out of work strippers would work better for me. ;)


Ulfie Pornsurfing

"VL, and how many major players are out there?

and what are the profit margins compared to 20 years ago?"

We dont sell near as much of each ttle as we used to and the profit margins have dropped. The whores took over as they have on the net.

As with everything, some of us will keep making money in this business as in any business, the weak will die. That is ok though, Taco Bell always needs employees, someone has to cook the beans!

;-)

Welcome home Serge!

VegasLee Will you be here next year?

well somebody better start spreading the word to some of the other chat boards.

they think the pot of gold is right around the corner.

Cybrglide
****************************

"it's a r-r-race, it's a r-r-race!"
;-)))))
Serge

is that some sort of "free lunch in America" offer or you'll shave 'em out of the wazoo to cover c/b's?
;-)))
Serge
Sat, 11 May - 07:27:46 172.167.66.96 Post #: 79745
______________________________
Neither...
and these products have a 30 day money back guarentee AND the webmaster still gets paid.

I am using TV, Radio and the adult webmaster communities unique marketing tools to do this

get them from every end
Kinda like meni
;)
Forest

Well Serge, I'm pretty well diversified at the moment. I write for a couple magazines, I own an apartment building, I promote adult sites, I do programming work, etc. If any one source of income goes away I'll just focus a little more on the others. I'm not a put all your eggs in one basket type of guy.


Ulfie Pornsurfing
***************************

Ulfie,
I think EVERYBODY should get in touch with ya,
cuz this is the most sencible approach one can think of...
Serge

Serge,

People where telling me the same thing in 1981 about Adult Video...

Can you tell me what the future holds... seems that the Video biz is still around.. not a lifetime yet, but 20 years has treated me pretty good so far.

;-))


VegasLee
*********************

VL, and how many major players are out there?

and what are the profit margins compared to 20 years ago?
Serge

well somebody better start spreading the word to some of the other chat boards
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==


Other chat boards?.....what other chat boards...you mean theres more?
JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

and NO CHARGEBACKS EVER!!!!!!
Forest
**********************

is that some sort of "free lunch in America" offer or you'll shave 'em out of the wazoo to cover c/b's?
;-)))
Serge

Hey Ulfie! I have it!

We can get together with a few more apartment buildings and open low rent housing for out of work adult webmasters!
JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

I'll just keep on making money on the net for as long as there is money to be made, but I also keep on doing computer consulting so that I have something to fall back on. Or at least until all my computer clients annoy me so bad that I turn off my business line.

Cleo (.)~(.) Could always get a job as a Serge's goat caretaker

NOTHING LASTS FOREVER,
and Internet porn is NOT an exception,
and don't kid yourself that it's gonna last enough for your lifetime...
------------------------------------------------------

well somebody better start spreading the word to some of the other chat boards.

they think the pot of gold is right around the corner.

Cybrglide

Well Serge, I'm pretty well diversified at the moment. I write for a couple magazines, I own an apartment building, I promote adult sites, I do programming work, etc. If any one source of income goes away I'll just focus a little more on the others. I'm not a put all your eggs in one basket type of guy.


Ulfie Pornsurfing

Well Serge, I'm pretty well diversified at the moment. I write for a couple magazines, I own an apartment building, I promote adult sites, I do programming work, etc. If any one source of income goes away I'll just focus a little more on the others. I'm not a put all your eggs in one basket type of guy.


Ulfie Pornsurfing

"NOTHING LASTS FOREVER,
and Internet porn is NOT an exception"

Serge,

People where telling me the same thing in 1981 about Adult Video...

Can you tell me what the future holds... seems that the Video biz is still around.. not a lifetime yet, but 20 years has treated me pretty good so far.

;-))


VegasLee We are not going to last, so you better come see us soon!

WHAT'S NEXT IN A LIFE OF ADULT WEBMASTER?
Serge
Sat, 11 May - 06:42:02 172.167.66.96 Post #: 79727
____________________________

working on it now

should have the affiliate ready for beta next week.
and NO CHARGEBACKS EVER!!!!!!
Forest

...unless, of course, you intend to turn into "dusties",
which I don't think so...

NOTHING LASTS FOREVER,
and Internet porn is NOT an exception,
and don't kid yourself that it's gonna last enough for your lifetime...
Serge

Serge -

I was planing on kissing up to MikeAI and living with him on his Grandma's porch!

:-)
sharky
*******************

Sharky, Ulfie,
that was a serious question....
Serge

I'm gonna go into doing mainstream advertising ...

this will be the basic approach ;-))

http://www.pimpporn.com/images/part1_smaller.swf


Cybrglide
**********************

uh-uh-uh!!!!!
;-))))
Serge

i guess those who can sense trends will follow them, and maybe one day find themselves no longer doing online porn ... the idiots will stick around declaring 'there is still money left!!'
*************************

Pearl!!!!
Serge

WHAT'S NEXT IN A LIFE OF ADULT WEBMASTER?
----

what's next?!?!?!
who has time to think that far ahead!

i guess those who can sense trends will follow them, and maybe one day find themselves no longer doing online porn ... the idiots will stick around declaring 'there is still money left!!'

*shrug*

cj (vaginator) 3 new sites :: 70 bucks a signup

I've always wanted to be a mens room attendent.

Cologne sir?


Ulfie Pornsurfing

I'm gonna go into doing mainstream advertising ...

this will be the basic approach ;-))

http://www.pimpporn.com/images/part1_smaller.swf


Cybrglide

Serge -

I was planing on kissing up to MikeAI and living with him on his Grandma's porch!

:-)
sharky Take me to the HOtel!

Serge
I'm going into the dog juice market. I hear it's very healthy for you and is going to be the beverage of choice in the 21 century. Just need to find a good supple of dogs to juice.


Cleo (.)~(.) Dog Juice

Serge...that is why i invest in REAL WORLD businesses!...thing people need every day.....


JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

I have a stupid question....

what plans everybody have AFTER the porn on the net?

sure, the show is gonna go on for a few more years, decade, whatever, but...sooner or later the "CB Radio" effect will wear off and profits from the pornonet won't be anywhere near where they were.

WHAT'S NEXT IN A LIFE OF ADULT WEBMASTER?
Serge

meni always with the pounding. a brute. you can learn something here

http://www.tenaciousd.com/fhg.html
mutt

...and you post with my name on it, after you picked up clothing yesterday...
hope people won't talk much about it
;-))
Serge

Man!....now we evn have Meni posting with her name in it!!!


JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

Who's Tina
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

I wish Tina was with us but...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

Story of my life! everywhere i go..."where's Tina?"...

I am going to start charging for appearances! =))


JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

Meni
I hear that this is were you shop for your sextoys
http://www.blackanddecker.com/

I do need a new houseboy with some handyman skills.

Cleo (.)~(.) wake and bake

Serge you could call it that

Cleo, I'd be falling asleep while you'd be falling in love

Meni (The Golden Tongue)

With the pounding of your life
Meni
********************

Meni, are you gonna dig holes with power hammers in her neighborghood?
;-))
Serge

Meni
Why would I want you to wake me up only to bore me back to sleep?

Cleo (.)~(.) wake and bake

Cleo, want me to wake you up next week.
With the pounding of your life
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Hey I'm not completely awake yet OpRaNo.

Cleo (.)~(.) wake and bake

Good morning Oprana
****************************

who is OpranA?

the lesbian sister of OpranO?
;-)))
Serge

Jim,
I wish Tina was with us but...I see you all on Saturday!
;_))

Thanks for the dinner, mano!
Serge

Good morning Oprana

Another beautiful day in sunny south Florida.

Lots of...

Cleo (.)~(.) wake and bake

yep same here Meni .....

comes off like a 16yr old with a spam list.

DON'T TELL MY MOM OR ELSE !!!

Cybrglide

Mornin Oprano!

Serge! Had a blast at dinner last night!

Always the highlight of going down south!
JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

I got the same spam, sent to a domain I host, but they don't get mail.
No one ever opted in, I had that spam
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

good point. how old is grimm's server? my guess is that it's under 5 years old. Whoever is fucking it should be charged with statutory rape. APIC guy doesnt care about the sodomization of a server only licenses for photos.


mutt

speaking of spam, check out this removal footer. ;-)
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Cybrglide

that he has on your fucking server
*********************************

Grimm,
who is the one who fucked your server?
do you have pictures with model releases?
I wanna start new niche site
;_))
Serge

San Diego Law Firm Sues Spammers
http://opranoplus.com
Serge

I`ll explain the page to you Grimm

*These pics have been mailed to me. This makes it impossible for me to be 100% sure of the copyrights regarding them. If you own the copyright of any of these pics, and you didnŽt mail any picture, please mail me and iŽll remove it/them from the site and my hdd.

Wanna get your hot amateur pics posted? Mail me:

cumzcumz@hotmail.com*

Means the guy doesn`t have licences for the images that he has on your fucking server

APIC

serge..

i am trying to figure this page out

http://cumz.majorhost.com/ama1.html

LOL

i dont get it.
grimm (Blow Me)

weve had years to perfect those hitbots. They even do my laundry, and wash mikes cars:)
grimm (Blow Me)

Timon,

Is it RetardsRule???
:-))


voodooman (I did pelmeni and you did NOT!)

Grimm,
I get 1:4 closing ratio with those hit bots,
send more!

I wish your hit bots could phone sex too, I am only $16 for the month of May with phone sex, the lowest point ever
;-)))
Serge