Wig, I paid 93, yesterday's close 38...
but...TODAY's ROI is great!...if you walk away with principle and your foreskin
;-)))

I personally been "circumsized" $42,000 by now
;-))
Serge

I love this game
Nick
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like I love chess????


;-)))
Serge

wanna exchange my bonds for your pearls?
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Maybe... How deep of a discount are they trading currently? ;-)) LOL
Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

ahahahahahahahahaha

I love this game
Nick Too rich to quit ,too young to die ;))

Yank the rug
out of my only pearl.
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I have the right!!!!!

I paid $42,000 for this privilege!

wanna exchange my bonds for your pearls?
;-)))
Serge

but they better lube up....62 days to go ;))
Nick
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...and we'll do it under the
5th symphony of Bethoven,
code name "the fait knocks at the door"
;-))
Serge

Thanks Mike. Damn Serge! Yank the rug
out of my only pearl.


Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

Very true,Serge. ;))

but they better lube up....62 days to go ;))
Nick

THIS IS A PEARL!!!!!
Mike AI
********************

no! he is rubbing in the WCOM bonds I have which now pay 25% interest with no hope of returning principle
;-)))
Serge

Goats may only be fucked in season

Nickatilynx
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Nick,
only by YOU!
;-))

I have no seasonal limitations
;-)))
Serge

Seriously though, sometimes the return ON your capital is not as important as the return OF your capital. ;-)

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THIS IS A PEARL!!!!!
Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

Warning!
Goats may only be fucked in season

Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook, CERTIFIED!)

hahahahahahah


Serge, you are so ruthless.
:-))
voodooman (I did pelmeni and you did NOT!)

and Goats get
fucked. ;-))
Wig
*********************

Oprano Disclaimer:
-------------------

this wasn't about you this time, Brad.

;-))))
Serge

Bulls make money, Bears make money,
Hogs get slaughtered and Goats get
fucked. ;-))
Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

I'll give you small tip...
GOAT SEMEN!
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Now I'm really rolling! LOL

Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

fuck! my idea has been stolen as we speak...

from CNBC commercial:
"Goats make a lousy CyberTraders"...

why in the fuck name one would use my goats for TV commercials????
;-)))
Serge

Of course WIG, but I cannot invest all my money in horse semen! hahaha
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That's funny! ;-))) LOL

Or fishing equiptment, tractors, guns and gold. ;-))

Seriously though, sometimes the return ON your caital is not as important as the return OF your capital. ;-)

Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

Dunno, what type of weather would you like? I'll get SCG to arrange it. ;))

Nick
********************

when is tayphoon season is over?
Serge

Of course WIG, but I cannot invest all my money in horse semen!
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I'll give you small tip...
GOAT SEMEN!
;-)))
Serge

""how is the weather down there this time of the year?""

Dunno, what type of weather would you like? I'll get SCG to arrange it. ;))

Nick

Serge, you have to admit that even
the managers get it wrong and that in
the end it is still up to us all to
make decisions on who, what, where
and how much.

Wig
********************

Wig,
100% correct!

I had 3 managed accounts for..2 months and sold them all after seeing that those "managers" trade WORSE than me
;-))

they can be good for bull market, but in the bear market they suck!
Serge

Going to Bejimg and then spending 3wks bumming around.

SCG has a lot of friendes there so it should be fun :)
Nick
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chances are we'll meet there,
but I'd rather take the tour...
we plan around the same dates.

how is the weather down there this time of the year?
Serge

Of course WIG, but I cannot invest all my money in horse semen! hahaha


Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

Smart Ass!!! hahahahahahaha

I'll take some valium and fly.Must not lose face in front of SCG ;))

Going to Bejimg and then spending 3wks bumming around.

SCG has a lot of friendes there so it should be fun :)
Nick

don't bother, it usually dies by itself after losing a few dollars
;-)))
cured me!
********************8

Serge, you have to admit that even
the managers get it wrong and that in
the end it is still up to us all to
make decisions on who, what, where
and how much.

Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

StripClubGuru and I are going over in Sept.Wanna come?
Nick
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are you taking train?
;-)))
Serge

Serge,

You can go to Little C's live
office and jack off to her.
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excellent idea!

that;s what adult webmasters need the most,
mid days jerk offs,
Let The Fingers Do the Walking
;-)))
Serge

Please don't tell me you think that
insulates you. ;-))

Most of the professional managers today
don't remember the last bear market. ;-0




Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

""have you ever been in China?
we are contemplating going there...""

StripClubGuru and I are going over in Sept.Wanna come?
Nick

and have been trying to swear that off! haha
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MikeAI,
don't bother, it usually dies by itself after losing a few dollars
;-)))
cured me!
;-)))
Serge

WIG I agree with those setiments, that is why for my serious $$ and retirement $$, I have professional money managers choosing a variety of stocks by using different mutual funds, and index funds.

I only pay with indiviudal speculation for a hobby - and have been trying to swear that off! haha


Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

Serge -- "Nick, where is my promissed Dali????? ""

"The Golfer" is on my wall. ;))


Nick

MikeAI,
I was talking about his clothing,
not his body
;-)))
Serge

MikeAI,

While it is true that in the long run stocks will recover, don't fool yourself.

Many of the stocks in the average portfolio will no longer be in business if a prolonged crunch comes. Plus, it may take all of 20 years for some of these stocks to return.

This was the most euphoric peak since the 20's. And even the peak in the late 60's required 16 years of sideways trading with a 50% loss in the dow to recover in 1982.

IMHO, and being a serious student of market history and psychology, it is going to get a lot worse before it gets a lot better.



Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

Morning Oprano :))
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook, CERTIFIED!)

Actually this guy in England looks much more handsome and in shape thatn Colins nake friend, who was pretty nasty, and covered in tatoos.

Of course this could just mean I have a preferance for twinks and not bears! haha


Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

HAHAHA That is funny stuff Vick, wonder if the Queen got an eyefull.

If so can it only be a matter of time before she becomes a member of http://purve.com ??


Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

Vick,
he looks like Colin's friend "naked Josh"
;-)))
Serge

<< gigi, i wonder when google is going to do their 'adults only' logo ... those 0's could make some nice features ... >>

HAHAHA, and they say us adult webmasters are just a bunch of porn peddlers who don't have a creative bone in our body.....*grin*


gigi CashQuest 2

Serge,

You can go to Little C's live
office and jack off to her.
She is naked right now.
hahaha
:-))))
voodooman (I did pelmeni and you did NOT!)

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1050830,00.html


Vick Wasn't me I was in the US at the time

cj,
you have one dirty mind, gal!
;-)))

should be good for business
;-)))
Serge

gigi, i wonder when google is going to do their 'adults only' logo ... those 0's could make some nice features ...

:-)))
cj (vaginator) 3 new sites :: 70 bucks a signup

Euro,
what have he done?
I don't follow Lensman to know what he is doing...since I found he can't read fucking invoices!
;-)))
Serge

Serge 4th - Lens fucked it up :). Shaving revshare cookies is a fucking sick idea.
Euro http://ucj2.com/

HAHAHA Serge, I guess friends are like stocks in many ways.
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naaahhhh, friends are more dangerous
;-)))

and I say it with full confidentialty after being in the hole for $600,000 in stocks
;-)))

one thing stock market taught me well, though:
"Don't fall in love with your stocks"
;-)))
Serge

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,52429,00.html

Very intersting article about the AdultCheck situation....
Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

Yup....Dali...I agree CJ...a small thing like a logo can make that page fun to go to. I especially liked their line of logos during the olympics. And I saw a 'plaid' logo once, that was cute...then it went back to normal for a long time until today.

I think they're smart doing that...and they even linked the logo to a search for 'salvador dali'...

Wonder when they'll come out with a van gogh ...I could see 'Starry Night' working well with the word 'google'...lol


gigi CashQuest 2

WIG that would be very nice, I have been fortunate that I have not had to sell... so I have been sitting on them, and watching my $$ dwindle.


Of course I have a long term strategy anyway, 20+ years... so I am not that concerned.


Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

For what it's worth, now is a good time
for stocks to see a rally into Sept/Oct.

I think this current decline has run
it's course.

Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

i was at a dinner party the other night with a guy who has an original dali that he bought in a museum in new york ... i was so impressed!! who cares about the sports car ...
______________

That is impressive, but one needs a sports car to get the girls to the house to check out the dali! ;-)


Mike AI We know Amateur sites!!

good morning america
welcome to saturday! er, friday ...

google's logo is always cute ... it makes visiting such a boring page ... less boring.

i was at a dinner party the other night with a guy who has an original dali that he bought in a museum in new york ... i was so impressed!! who cares about the sports car ...

cj (vaginator) 3 new sites :: 70 bucks a signup

HAHAHA Serge, I guess friends are like stocks in many ways.

In big bull markets everyone looks like a genuis....

I have been blessed with great friends actually, many I have been having since I was a kid... These are the guys I have been with for 20-25 years, through thick and thin.


Mike AI

One really should choose their friends wisely...


Mike AI
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hahahahahahha,
you can't _even_ chose your stocks right!
;-)))
Serge

Euro,
this
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=c&c=qqq&k=c1&t=1y&s=icpt&a=v&p=s&l=on&z=m&q=l
is more troublesome...the begining of divergence from QQQ
;-(((
Serge

That google logog is cool...

Very interesting how ICPT is bombing... of course so are all the stocks I own! haha

CCbill doing something unethical?? NEVER!!

It amazes me how fast somethings change, inlcuding people... It is kind of troublesome... One really should choose their friends wisely...


Mike AI

Euro,
this
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=c&c=pypl&k=c1&t=1y&s=icpt&a=v&p=s&l=on&z=m&q=l
could be a THIRD reason why they go down,
I only thought of 2 reasons this morning, thanks for bringing the third one
;-)))
Serge

Incidentally, I have the original on my wall in NJ office....but only a poster
;-(((

Nick, where is my promissed Dali?????
;-)))
Serge

>meanwhile...ICPT is hitting new low since announcing purchase of Ibill

Serge, look at the pic:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=c&c=pypl&k=c1&t=1y&s=icpt&a=v&p=s&l=on&z=m&q=l

Euro

GiGi,
if I was from Dali Family,
I'd be pissed
;-))

http://www.google.com/logos/dali.gif
Serge

gigi,

yeah it looks like a cross between
escher and dali. ;-)


Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

Has anyone seen google this morning? HAHA....they're great with their logos.....this one today though tops the cake so far....

http://google.com (for the lazy) :P

gigi CashQuest 2

well if CCBill does the right thing,
*******************************

I'll personally marry KK to Brtad right here on this board and give hew away with honors like a proud father!...or run nekkid in the next Tampa nudenicks marathon,
whatever is more popular
;-)))
Serge

well if CCBill does the right thing, i'll be the
first to come here and say so.

until then ..... no bets


Cybrglide

Online banking has allowed consumers to keep a much closer eye on their accounts....
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hahahhaha,
I do it TWICE a day , just to make sure
;-)))
Serge

where you can see next day WHO charged and for what and...the photocopy of your check ..online.
Serge
************************************
and THIS is one of the reasons that retention on checks (although STILL better than cc's), isn't what it used to be! Online banking has allowed consumers to keep a much closer eye on their accounts....

if they haven't been changed since 1997, I should say they are in the "pre-conception" stage and faaaarrrr from the "infancy" yet!
Serge
********************************
yes, but once a microscope is imbedded in one's ass.... how quickly they can see the poop! 8^)

oh yeah.... mornin Oprano!


bpj (NO 3rd party CC risk!)

The rules at this point are in their infancy in a paperless format.
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if they haven't been changed since 1997,
I should say they are in the "pre-conception" stage and faaaarrrr from the "infancy" yet!
Serge

I guess it all boils down to good business practices
****************************

...and this is where I have my biggest doubt!

how much you wanna bet that KK and CCBill won't prove me wrong?
Serge

so wig, what would you terms as
"perform verification on a commercially reasonable level" ??
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That is exactly how I would term it. ;-)


may I also ask what the "authentication routines" would be ?
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One is that the Originator validate the ABA number. Other's concern encryption, etc.

The rules at this point are in their infancy in a paperless format. New rules will certainly follow for WEB class entries.



Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

Serge , I agree 100% there was a loophole in our system
and letting it go for 10 months before being discovered.

Looking at it from my side of the fence is fraud is fraud.
It's very obvious it was, CCBill's accounting dept agreed it was.

I guess it all boils down to good business practices on BOTH parts.

Cybrglide

so in that light it would appear the bank account was accessed illegally.

Cybrglide
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Mark,
one of the things to prevent it from happeneing in the future is:
I suggest opening business acount with strong online presence bank,
like First Union, for example,
where you can see next day WHO charged and for what and...the photocopy of your check ..online.
Serge

NACHA regulations require Originators and ODFI's to perform certain authentication routines
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may I also ask what the "authentication routines" would be ?

point being I guess is they have zero proof this charge was initiated by me or my company.

so in that light it would appear the bank account was accessed illegally.

Cybrglide

meanwhile...ICPT is hitting new low since announcing purchase of Ibill, despite the record last quarter earning...

very interesting, indeed....
what the hell the market knows what we don't?...or do they just discover what we KNEW
;-)))
Serge

So, Wig, seems like even slap on the wrist is not forthcoming...

I thought so.

I have no much love for CCBill but in the interests of fairness,
it doesn't seem that they are responcible in this particular case.
Serge

so wig, what would you terms as
"perform verification on a commercially reasonable level" ??


Cybrglide

Well in that Case....send me the yrl so i can spam it and make some cheese!
JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

Jim, I don't know what you were thinking you were signing,
but that was a model release and I have an original
;-)))

Runk, need fresh content?
;-)))
Serge

the cams are in the doorknobs Jim ;-))


Cybrglide

Serge/Cybrglide

NACHA rules allow a consumer to revoke an ACH debit as unauthorized up to 60 days after it is posted to their statement. Theoretically, this could be 90 days, since the consumer may not get a statement for 30 days.

NACHA regulations require Originators and ODFI's to perform certain authentication routines and to perform verification on a commercially reasonable level.

Since most transactions that occur in this marketplace are done by consumers who prefer to remain anonymous, personal information is unreliable. It is also not a required ingredient in the presentment.

ACH processors have to look at these issues on a case by case basis to determine an appropriate response or action.

Most ACH fraud, like credit card fraud, is consumer initiated. It is a delicate line to operate on. Having a properly trained customer support department is a necessary ingredient to achieve balance and compliance.








Wig WTS - Check Processing Solutions

Easy now..... Tina was a little woried about secret webcams......


JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

should I even ask why he was undressed at your house ?
*******************************

no, you shouldn't...I won't show pictures even if you beg
;-))
Serge

Cleo,
is your clock ticking?
wanna adopt?
********
My clock had it's last tick-tock long ago, but I do hear that they taste good with some BBQ sauce.

Cleo (.)~(.) Have you seen today's posts?

yeah, who sponteniously leaves and leaves me all his wardrobe
-------------------------------------

should I even ask why he was undressed at your house ?

Jim naked .... now thats fuckin scarey ;-))

Cybrglide

kind of a spontaneous person.
******************************

yeah, who sponteniously leaves and leaves me all his wardrobe...5 sizes bigger than me!!!!!

if they fit, you'd NEVER find me again
;-)))
Serge

Serge....no need to wait around...you know me....kind of a spontaneous person.

i should be there around 3 or so.
JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

they really should have just refunded ALL the $$$
saves ALOT of explaining ;-))

Cybrglide
**********************

it's OK, I'll explain how Check Debitting works if bpj or Wig won't enlighten everybody first.

I can be wrong, but...TODAY's banking regulations might not even slap them on the hand.
Serge

Jim,
what time should I wait for ya?
Serge

Serge..i will most likely be down sometime this afternoon =)


JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

the funny part is it took 2 days for them to even figure out what the charge was for !!

not to mention the site isn't even live anymore, but the tapping continues.

they really should have just refunded ALL the $$$
saves ALOT of explaining ;-))

Cybrglide

huge train wreck 12 miles from London...
;-((((
Serge

Yeah...i want nice weather this weekend!


JimMr$$$
***************************

Jim, his tears do not produce much rain...my pool lost 1" while I was away
;-)))
Serge

I wonder how the FTC would look at tapping an ACH account
for 10 months with info like sdfgglkjjhsd in the name and address fields ?
****************************

bpj, Wig, what's the story on ACH debiting and it's regulation?
Serge

Brad is getting very upset when we do that and we just can't afford to upset Brad
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah...i want nice weather this weekend!


JimMr$$$ (Is Serge going to make it to PAYDAY?)

Donor organs :-))


Timon
*****************

as always...where is a will...
;-)))
Serge

we could talk about ccbill
********************************

no, we can't...Brad is getting very upset when we do that and we just can't afford to upset Brad,
or he'll kill Oprano....
;-)))
Serge

What kind of payment would we have to accept?
************************

Donor organs :-))


Timon (Are you a player?)

have we finished with Verio?
;-)))
Serge
---------------------------------

we could talk about ccbill

how about, a stolen checking account number,
10 months of billing it.
when asked to give the cash back you get
"ohhh we can only give you back 4 months worth"

hahahahaha, desperate ?

I wonder how the FTC would look at tapping an ACH account
for 10 months with info like sdfgglkjjhsd in the name and address fields ?

today is gonna be a fun day ;-))

Cybrglide

What kind of payment would we have to accept?
************************

babies, of course!

Chinese culture is very much children and large families oriented,
but due to overpopulation, the government controls child birth rate very closely, so...
we'll be accepting CHILDREN for adoption in exchange for porn memberships!


Cleo,
is your clock ticking?
wanna adopt?
;-)))
Serge

Can you take 12,934,892 new Chinese adult webmasters into your program?
---

oh man, could you imagine the customer support?!

i've read a lot of growth prediction surveys that all say chinese audiences will hit their peek in 3 years due to the amount of students currently studying it ... I guess they've been playing catchup, there's enough wealthy chinese to make a viable market.

anyone want to take on the chinese mafia?!?!!?

cj (vaginator) 3 new sites :: 70 bucks a signup