Wig,

It is difficult to explain. Easier to sign up and then put the pieces together. You won't believe what you are gonna see.

Webfather

Yesterday alone I processed over 500 transactions.
**********************

On/for what? How are you using it?

Wig

Serge.....did you tell them the BIGGEST plus??




Webfather

Who started this?
************************

Webfather...37 days ago...making 5 Italian Liras a day.
His earning yesterday were...$14 and...
he even doesn't have a site which takes e-gold!
************************************

Let me correct you for the record Serge. It took THREE days to get to 5 lire. That is 1/4 of 1 penny.

I would need Colin to do a formula to even figure out the growth rate to be making $14 a day after 37 days. When would it hit $2840 a day??

Yesterday alone I processed over 500 transactions.

The numbers are STAGGGGERING.

Webfather

LOL Is that basically what this
amounts to?

Seems that anyone who would consider
this would have to do a lot of due
diligence on all the parties involved.

I never supposed it was an investment
vehicle. Rather a payment mechanism.
Wig

Timon,
I bet you didn't go to that site and hasn't read it...
you are not just buying gold.
You are buying CURRENCY with no boarders which you can use anywhere it's accepted.


Serge Webfather and Oprano are MORONS! don't follow them in ANYTHING they do!

My opinion is if you are going to buy gold then don't buy it
from a web site ;-)

Timon

Timon,
yeap...since 1998 and....when was the last time when
PAYMENT OPTIONS / BACKCHARGES issues were more severe than they are TODAY????

Dialers were created for a reason and the first one who gets e-gold on their sites will be rolling in the diamonds....but whatta I know?
;-))
I AM A MORON!!!!
Serge Webfather and Oprano are MORONS! don't follow them in ANYTHING they do!

Timon,

I never heard of it until recently.
But, I am big believer in precious
metals at this stage and invest
heavily in both physical and
derivatives.

But, I admit that I do not fully
understand the concept of e-gold and
any associated risks.

What's your opinion?
Wig

Who started this?
************************

Webfather...37 days ago...making 5 Italian Liras a day.
His earning yesterday were...$14 and...
he even doesn't have a site which takes e-gold!
Serge Webfather and Oprano are MORONS! don't follow them in ANYTHING they do!

e-gold has been around about as long as the Internet AFAIK...

Timon

Serge,

Can we get a drum roll for e-gold,
please! ;-))

Who started this? Bill said he saw it
on Webfather's board and sent me the
link, but I haver not gone through it.

Sounds like a great idea!
Wig

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==================

Attention Sponsors!

we now accept payments in e-gold:
https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=512959

it's easy, convenient, secure and..
in Gold We Trust.

The other beauty of e-gold:
it can be used with the same success
by the dumbest surfer and Bill Gates,
and we hope that our sponsors are somewhere in between this 2 radical examples
;-)))

if one can figure out how to incorporate e-gold into their paysite payments options-
this would be the new way to sell the water in the middle of the lake!
;_))
Serge in GOLD we Trust....

JR, I am going to start selling boats in May ;-))

Timon

:-(
did i say something wrong?

JR

That those who diversify ONLY because they are failing in something else, will almost always end up only multiplying their failure, rather than finding the success they expect by diversification
------------------------------------
these are the people i was referring to. Of course i agree with Serge and MikeAI that you can diversify in business. It depends on the business, leadership and organizational skills of the individual.

GE has more than 200,000 employees worldwide.

but there are many people that think that is a reasonable shortcut to make up for failures in other places.

that was what i was getting at.

my main point was that if you are failing at something... the issue should be with how do you become the best of that and WHY arent you. Not say "well, i guess i need to add website design, resource site, sponsor program and programming to make ends meet"

I believe strongly in the need to focus. Usually, i gauge people in this business as businessmen by how focused they are on the core of what they do. If they are not focused and want to tell you always about the "next great thing", new product or new division... i am not impressed. It tells me that they are probably failing in the core of their business.

I am more impressed with people improving what they do and making it more successful. This is the best way i know to tell me how serious they are about what they do.

If you have the talent... resources and organizational/leadership skills to launch something new that is great. But also it takes a special person to go from Garage to Boardroom and make it all work.

i think in the adult game... people tend to see themselves in an unrealistically positive light, due to success they enjoyed that was due largely to circumstance... not by being a great businessman/woman.

everyone was selling water in the desert... big deal.

now that same desert is a lake.... now what? the people that can and will answer that question successfully will be very few.

More and more neat new bottle designs for water no one wants to pay for... isnt the answer.

being creative and innovative coming up with new ways to sell water is the answer.

JR

Ideally yes, IF you have a golden goose...

If your goose is copperish silver or perhaps grayish brown
then a visit to the pet store for a better color might not
be a bad move ;-)

Timon

Timon,
IDEALLY,
and the same applies to investments,
would be PERFECT to find "golden goose" and stick with it.

Unfortunatelly,
we all know the odds of getting 26 in roulette when we bet the farm on it
;-)))

...very often the diversification is a hedge against the fear of not finding the golden goose.
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Serge, how many times do you have to be reminded....
SHOWER BEFORE YOU GO SWIMMING!!

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/03/27/black.blob/index.html


Timon

Serge makes a good point, some people can only pay attention to one
thing at a time while other people have no trouble running 10 companies
at the same time...

There really is no system to follow, what works for one person might be
suicide for another person. The only wise advise you can give someone
in this is to not get into a new business without fully understanding what's
involved in the new venture. None of a person's ventures will succeed
without the qualities JR mentioned, but if someone is able to focus on
multiple businesses at the same time then hey, why not?

Timon

Colin,
I couldn't help myself not to comment about your "test"
at
http://www.4freebucks.com/

care to expalin how exactly your "test" was performed?

numbers, tests,
that's your territory,
let's talk!

I thought I saw enough claims of "scientific traffic tests" on the net to crash them all with pure logic and common sense they are missing.


Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

JR, MikeAI,
I think it all depends on the talents and multi tasking abilities of individual...

I personally is LOUSY at business diversification...
I preffer finding "the shtick which woiks" and stick with it 'till it either gets boring or unproductive.
Serge

I agree with MikeAi. Precisely.
Colin THIS agrees with me -- - - - Oprano

JR,
you don't believe in diversification because you are getting married today...
Meni is very much diversifyed
;-)))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Timon, I swear this is true: just last week an AOL surfer wrote me and wanted to quit being billed from my free links list!!! ... And they wonder why "www.yahoo.com" is always a top five search term!!!

Alright, back to my pillow!

Dravyk can you smellllllll what Drav is cooking

Diversification ...

In a nutshell, I agree with you JR up to a point: That those who diversify ONLY because they are failing in something else, will almost always end up only multiplying their failure, rather than finding the success they expect by diversification.

After that, we diverge in opinions and I basicly agree with Mike, that if one can succeed in one area, and if they are focused, they can succeed in other areas and create additional revenue streams.

To put it in other words: Failure breeds failure, and success breeds success. This is not true all of the time, but I think it is true the majority of the time.

Enough of my sleep-walking. I'll look in on this later, as it should be a good discussion. :-)

Dravyk can you smellllllll what Drav is cooking

Check out this email I just received from a member of one of my sites ;-))


"I was stunned to learn today that my card has been charged since Dec. 1999 for a service I did not order in the amount of $29.95 per month. I would like to find out how I can have these charges removed and reimbursed. I do not and never did have a web site with your company"

Timon

JR,
great post on Diversification


Ulfie whats up man



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JR there can be a combination of diversification, and focus. It just depends on the level and situation. I have been diversifying, and thank goodness - because it has helped me create new revenue streams. Yet, on the specific issues that make diversification possible I AM VERY FOCUSED.


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JR, I really feel like a fierce discussion this morning
but unfortunately I sort of agree with your points...
damn it :-(((

Timon

I had a fortune cookie say almost the same thing to me tonight at the chinese food restaraunt I goto often.

I do to many things and know that it hinders my efforts.
Arg...
I hate when the writings on the wall.
ALIEN HERETIC DESIGN

Diversification is definately the key to success.
-----------------------------------
i really believe the opposite. Diversity is the key to failure and the surest formula for deluding your ability to do any one thing with 100% effectiveness.

knowing your business, focusing and making it the best there is key to success. if you cant do that... you should do something else.

Business is not an investment and just a place to throw your money to watch it grow while trying to minimize risk. Business is something that yield returns which are relative to the individuals business skills and NOTHING ELSE. developing these skills is the surest way to protect and build your business and grow your income...
communication skills
orginizational skills
leadership skills
management skills
planning skills
marketing skills
etc etc etc

in adult, people are frequently taking half assed business skills and further deluding their own ability to do anything effectively by tackling multiple projects. This is a recipe for failure and will severely undermine your ability to do anything effectively.

people in this business do that. "diversify, diversify, diversify" they chant.

you cant diversify without understanding where you are failing to begin with. You cannot understand where you are failing if you cannot learn blame yourself. If you cannot blame yourself for failing... not summer slowdown, chargebacks, cc processors, free content blah blah blah. then you are going to fail anyway.

as people bitch and complain... i see opportunity. as people fail, i see opportunity. i see opportunity because the quick buck people are getting sqeezed out. the fraudulent people are getting squeezed, the scammers are getting squeezed. most importantly... the people who got rich due to circumstances NOT due to strong business skills are getting sqeezed. (Right Seth?)

this business is turning into a real business and will require real business skills to succeed and make money. Diversifying will do nothing but hasten your downfall.

just an opinion. :-)

JR

>Euro, dream on!
Ulfie, I forgot how to do it, I don’t get dreams anymore, I wish I was able ... I just face it, the way it is as of today.



Euro crack.sh

Talk is cheap, eh RRRED? ; )

MikeS..back atcha. ; )



JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Euro, dream on!

Just because they are listed on the NASDAQ isn't going to save them. They are operating in a grey area and they have a mountain of consumer complaints against them. I'm sure Visa/MC are licking their chops at the prospect of taking them down.

I'm not saying this is a good thing but it is reality in the near future.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

John - thanks.
email on its way.
(thanks again, serge :-)

MikeS

Whoa!

I get home from the office and see that princess is trying to with hold!

damn. this is a tough one!
sharky Fight For Your Rights!

>I like to get paid.
Ulfie, there is "Request Money" tab in paypal menu, it works every day, not at 3rd and 15th of every month.

I won't go in to deep discussion, but paypal (NASDAQ PYPL) is not best candidate to be fucked off the market.


Euro

Euro, when Visa/MC crush paypal will webmasters still love it? I could give a shit about what the surfer likes. I like to get paid.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

>but why would I want to be paid by paypal?
Cause 1:30 of porn surfers have paypal account and they love it.


Euro

Erik,
do you have illustrations of the modern masturbation techniques?

it's not for me, it's for Sharky
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

sorry, Princess,
but here is where I draw the line and male solidarity kicks in
;-)

Sharky,
this is black mail!
don't give in!

THe ACLU and Local 8 of International Hookers Union is behind you 100%!
;-))
Serge

Believe me, I've pondered turning it into a cam site more than once. ;)

I'm sure the 70 year old guys in the neighborhood would love it.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

Serge~
Its come to this... my message to Sharky :
Either I get a Yorkie or NO SEX FOR YOU!! *grin*


I think I have his attention now... lol
Princess OH SHARKY!

Ulfie is just a couple of our eggs...

Well Serge my mom wasn't home but I'll make sure and let her know that thousands of "porn people" know that she's 60 today :)

>>>RRRED...have I told you lately that I love you? ; ) >>>

Uhm well looking at my overflowing garbage can, windows that need cleaning, and my vcr which I can't figure how to hook up, it looks like ya don't love me THAT much. :))


RRRED Will somebody please fix my garage door opener?

Ulfie, sell it to Jonas, he has...
;-)))
Serge

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Diversification is definately the key to success. I have an apartment building for sale, great way to diversify. NOT! I don't have the temperment for dealing with idiots. (frickin pain in the ass tennants!)


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

...to Russian speakers only:
http://www.high.ru/library/dao-kakao.html#head_8

;-)))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Ulfie,
diversification is a key to success
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Ok, I'm getting tired...

I just wouldn't but all my eggs in the paypal.

should have been

I just wouldn't put all my eggs in the paypail.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

I just wouldn't but all my eggs in the paypal.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

Ulfie,
Visa is from a different Church
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

but I am from the church of
"Do what's work NOW"

No wonder why the line was so long at confession last week. ;)


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

Ulfie, I don't know...I am not a big lover of PayPal as a company,
but I am from the church of
"Do what's work NOW"
;-))
Serge

Serge, I'm not a CC expert. I don't run anything anymore that requires CC processing. Just seems to me that if I was running Visa or MC I would be looking for ways to put paypal out of business. Since the major CC companies have powerful lobbyists I would put my money on them winning. Paypal loses millions, Visa makes billions, who is going to win?


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

Serge...I swear, more mothers lose daughters that way... ; )

BTW, feel free to hit that big red button at noon tomorrow...keep's them on their toes. ; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

I don't know how I'm able to charge big corporation like Chase more for a single design then some resource sites make a month ;-)))
Tukhman
****************************

because it's your daddy who signs your bills, stupid
;-)))

don't you wish he worked for Enron instead?

uh-uh-uh!

vam s papoi:
http://www.high.ru/library/dao-kakao.html
Serge

JMScore, while you are making love to RRRed, she's been disowned by her mother for being late to her birthday
;_))))
Serge

RRRED...have I told you lately that I love you? ; )
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Ulfie,
I don't think RRRed woiks for MaxCash
;-)))

your questions be better adresed to RB
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Hope you aren't mad. we have just been very busy.
*************************

doing what? making money?
don't rub it in!
;_))


Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

MikeS,

As usual Serge beat me to the punch but...shoot me an e with your contact info and I'll have one of our reps contact you first thing in the AM. If you don't signup, you'll never get rid of em'. ; )

I assure you, we appreciate the opportunity at winning your business.

BTW, include the number you had called in the past, if you'd be so kind. ; )


JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

RRRED, sometimes I just skim and don't read quite closely enough. ;)

Still don't see why any US webmaster would want to get paid by paypal though. From everything I've read they are not sitting on real solid legal ground because of US banking laws.

It makes sense for foreign webmasters because payment is quicker.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

Sharky, I stay corected:
3 babies and ONE dog
;-)))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

serge - didn't forget you. we will try for next week. Hope you aren't mad. we have just been very busy.
jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

serge.

funny!

lol. 1 yorkie, 1 chocolate lab

:-)
sharky AAA Adult Design

Thinking about payments is a good thing though :)

I think you might be getting confused with Maxcash. I know I had to have that cleared up this morning too. They are paying webmasters with Paypal.
RRRED Wegcash / Join4free

MikeS,
if you send me your contact info,
I'll make sure that either Jettis contacts you by noon tomorrow (Pacific time)
or their entire building gets evacuated due to the fire emergency by 12:15
;-)))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

RRRED, ok, I had that backwards, for some reason I always think about payments. ;)


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

This is probably a dumb question since I don't know a lot about processing but why would I want to be paid by paypal?
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Ulfie, don't worry, you won't...it's for surfers, THEY can now charge PayPal ...
more billing options means better sign up ratio for webmasters.
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

serge, thanks for posting that - i know that they're swamped, which is why i wondered about whether they didn't "have time" for the little guy right now...guess i'll try them one more time...
MikeS

Ulfie, the surfer gets to pay for their membership with paypal. We won't be making webmaster payments with paypal.

We are now using Jettis for check payments as well :)


RRRED Just shaking the surfer for their last nickel....

a hot chick up my ass???

Now I know your drinkin.

;-)~
voodooman
***********************

sorry, I didn't know you were into necrophilia and preferred COLD chicks...
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Although, she forgot to mention.. she's already got 2 dogs!

:-)
sharky
*************************

you and what's other breed?
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

MikeS,
Jettis wants your business.
They Kjell called me from the meeting and asked me post it for him.
You are well aware about exodus going on at the moment from 3rd party processors who were caught with their pants down.

Guys are just swamped and feel sorry for dropping the ball on you.
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

I wonder what the local hookers down here would charge Serge to crawl up his ass.

Guess it would depend on how bad she wanted her next rock.

Cleo (bio hazard)

Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)
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This is probably a dumb question since I don't know a lot about processing but why would I want to be paid by paypal? (Unless you are a webmaster outside the US) From what I have seen they are on shaky legal ground and have already been banned from doing business in LA. In effect, they seem to be acting as a completely unregulated banking institution. What is the advantage to getting paid by them over getting a check drawn on a US bank for a US webmaster?


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

serge - you referring to my yorkie.

http://www.furbyworld.com


jonas (zOOted - 8 Hot Gay Sites to Promote, Serge's Favorit!)

a hot chick up my ass???

Now I know your drinkin.

;-)~
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

"Yorki is much more fund than 2 karat diamonds and give much more love back and cost less! "

You should have told me though ahead of time Serge!

Although, she forgot to mention.. she's already got 2 dogs!

:-)
sharky AAA Adult Design

Ill take that.
***********************

up your ass?
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

You left out, the hot chick on the back of my bike, Ill take that.
:-))
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

voodoo, it's YOUR choice...
ccbill or strap on...strap on or Ccbill...
decissions, decissions....
;-)))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Serge
You always complained that none of mine were big enough.
*****************************

I was talking about your boobs, silly!
;-)))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Ohhhh, ok, its like that huh?
:-))
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

Voodoo,
go process with CCbill!
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Serge
You always complained that none of mine were big enough. Damn those things get heavy, especially when they get over 16 inches.

Cleo (bio hazard)

WTF??? Serge, you drinkin again?
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

On 2nd thought, I really dont
want to have this conversation
anymore.
lol
voodooman
*****************************

why? you lived in Brooklyn long enough to hear that commercial:
"Reach out and touch someone"
;-))

am I touching you too hard?
;-))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

why would you
want a women to fuck ya
in the ass?
;-))))
************************

Voodoo, I can tell, you are NOT a biker....haven't you ever had 2 perky tits in your back????
you gotta try it sometime, women do it better than man, I know, I know...your old habits die hard,
you are a conservative!
;_))
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Hey Meni, just wanted to let you know that tonight was my cousin's 21st birthday. I gave him the gift he always wanted, a personalized autographed photo from Jenna that I got for him in Vegas. The look on his friends faces was priceless when I gave that to him. ;) Not a big fan of porn stars myself but she seems to be a hit with the 18-22 year old crowd.


Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

I think Serge needs to go to the Voodoo lounge in Ft. Laud. on Sunday nights, I hear they have just what he needs.

Either that or the local dairy farm.

Cleo (bio hazard)

On 2nd thought, I really dont
want to have this conversation
anymore.
lol
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

If your bored with getting
rearended by men, why would you
want a women to fuck ya
in the ass?
;-))))
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

why Voodoo?
do they use strap ons there?
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

Serge,
If you would goto a real strip
club, instead of chippendales,
you might actually be entertained.
:-))
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

Meni,
I never last over 45 mins at strip joints....it's too boring for my taste.
;-(((
Serge (Join4free Gold is now accepting Paypal!)

i would have to say Conrad Bain is alive.

Tom Bosley?

Bosley from Charlie's Angels?

Colonel Potter from MASH?

They say these deaths come in 3's. Wonder who's next. Ryan O'Neal maybe.
mutt