the day that animals can learn to charge back. this industry will be in trouble!
grimm (Blow Me)

I was wondering why my cat toby was in such a good mood today..
grimm (Blow Me)

Serge, Mike AI

I have to laugh at your comments about CCbill all the time.Here is my reason why. If anyone should know better it is you. Mr. Amateur King.

Who has the lowest CB rates in the industry.

Answer: Amateur sites and small guys that have time to answer emails and take care of customers.

Which Processors have most of these. CCbill and Ibill. Jettis and Epoch have very few of these clients that is for sure, but not very many. They process just a few High Volume Higher Chargeback clients like RJB, ARS, CEN etc, but just think of how many smaller sites it will take to off set the 3-6% CB rate that these bigger sites generate with low fraud controls on. I am sure they do not have the numbers to overcome those odds. I guess that is why Jettis has had 5 name changes in the last 9 months. Jetbill, Jetcharge, Jettis, Paysystems. blah, blah.


THE TEST
Dont Believe me take your credit card and go here. Join4freegold.com It will not cost you a penny. Put in your CC # only use the correct CC# and exp. date. Kind of like a Cresent Signup form not sure why they even ask for the rest since they do not use it. For the rest of the form just put in complete bullshit.
,
Wholoa it will be approved. NO AVS, NO ZIP CODE MATCH, NO CVV2. just a CC# and exp. I guess they have the most sofisticated fraud screen on the planet. It must use ESP or something. More likely answer is they need to let as much bullshit through each month to try and keep the Merchant Account Alive, or at least before the name change.

Can anyone say CHARGEBACK CITY, Sure smells like DMR days. Hey this may be a good business plan for the short term. I truley believe that is why we are now seeing so many Visa rules that regulate to the URL, Chargeback counts for each site. It has only just begun. Visa is going to go after bad sites and processors. No more simple name changes. Lets face it if Jettis could hide before, they will never be able to hide RJB, and ARS's volume. Just like Cresent was tracked and theses guys were a Evil as they came.

I am not trying to Bad mouth Jettis or Epoch. just stating a facts. Not hyping a sponsors like cheap whore. We all know Mike AI hates CCbill. But I as a webmaster never look at self serving plugs when reading a webmaster board. The owner promoting a sponsor just makes me run fast away.

Here is how I test a processor
I run this test on every processor I use. I even repeat it every month just to see. If they fail they are not considered for my business or to continue. No Emotions, No Bullshit hype. just facts. If they let my crap get past their fraud screen they will be out of business shortly, or sending me letters stating they will be behind in payments for 6 weeks. Since I run quality sites that have members that stay I do not want to wake up one day and find all my Rebills gone.
That is how an industry stays in business.


Steve


Steve PROCESSOR TEST

voodooman
It's always the guilty that try to look innocent, now untie Serge.

Cleo (bio hazard)

Ulfie, thats is hillarious.

Cleo, If I knew where the hell
he was, I wouldnt be posting
on the board asking where
the hell is he, now would I?
Is it to much to ask for you
to actually THINK before posting?
hahahah
:-))))
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

SERGE!!!!!!!!!

Where the hell are you???
**************
voodooman
Do you have Serge tired up and locked in the closet again?

Cleo (bio hazard)

For some reason the name Lew Payne came to mind after watching this. hahahaha A little long but it has a great ending.

http://www.hypnotic.com/MEDIA/WINDOWS/the_parlor_dsl.asx



Ulfie Pornsurfing.com, get paid for free joins

I call, and all I get is Zhora.

I can understand Russian, but
not when its spoken by a dog.
voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

SERGE!!!!!!!!!

Where the hell are you???

voodooman (Do you beleive I am straight?)

Hi Tonda!! :)

No on Phoenix - I'm headed for the beach for last 2 weeks of April and didn't want to be "traveling" the whole month :(

Peaches

Hi Peaches -

How are you? Are you going to Phoenix next week?

Tonda
Tonda We have Straight feeds and Gay feeds but NO beast feeds!

and it is 100% true story with one exception...he wasn't 3, he was 2!
;-))
Serge

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA Serge that is a Classic!!!
Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Speaking more of sons...from his home page:
"This I don't remember, but I was told by my mom. When I was really young, three I believe, I went to the doctors to have my "family jewels" checked. Don't know why, never bothered asking. That's beside the point. The doctor was this female, who happened to speak Russian, and after she checked what she had to, I say(in Russian) "More lady." Needless to say, she completely freaked. When my mom told me this, a few years back, I laughed so hard. I guess I knew what I wanted before they even dropped. LOL."
Serge

Speaking of sons ;) I have been asked when the March Madness Make Picks will be updated - any ETA? Thanks :)

Peaches

damn!
I picked it up from my son's site:

-2+2 will always = 4 if you want to make it in the world. Once you have made it, it can equal anything you want.


I wonder where did he hear that from?

was it you, Nick?
;-))
Serge

Erica, sorry to hear that....
Serge

There is no doubt in my mind that this is the most widely followed webmaster board.
*****************************

only by Visa....
hahaahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahaha!!!!
Serge

guys big chunk to toss in the gumbo
sorry its recycled but i have to let everyone know

Announcement

Hmm how to put this short enough so as not to bug people and long enuff
so as to be understood.
As of today I am no longer associated in any way shape or form with
Erotic Design (www.ultimatedesign.org/www.eroticdesign.org)
I first started with erotic design in oct of 2000 with the understanding
and belief that i was an equal partner in the company in exchange for my
promotion and customer service. It was recently brought to light
that i infact was "only a partner on what i physically brought in, or if people
made it a point to mention my name when asking for services" I then
asked about how one was able to tell where and who the website business
was coming from since i had done alot of advertising for the site and placed
button spots etc (that i had won) as well as arranging link trades etc.
my question then went unanswered with a virtual cyber shrug. I bit my tongue
for the last two weeks since we still had contracts to be completed etc.
and then one day went to the design site and looked at the contact page.
i then noticed that my email was gone from the sales and support contacts
and now it was a generic one and didnt go to me as it did before.
I further bit my tongue for the week and tried msging my supposed partner
on icq only to be ignored ( we used to talk several times daily)
on sun mar17 i go again to the contact page and now see my icq
removed from the site as well.
so what am i to conclude?
after a year of tireless promoting and undying loyalty to building what i
thought was part of my company, it would seem as though i have been squeezed out.
To those of you who i have helped in the past its been a blast and dont count me out
ill still be happy to assist you in finding your design needs.
erika
erika amateur content and more

There is no doubt in my mind that this is the most widely followed webmaster board.

and yet I see people not wishing to post here in defence,or whatever.

Fear of being mauled by Serge's clique?

or just fear........
Nick

I wonder how big that particular processing was for them.


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Serge, you will have fun, trust me
Meni (The Golden Tongue) XXX ATM, new, fresh, fun

Serge, I wish I could take credit for this. The fact is I have nothing but my big mouth. The sad fact is I could not even build a consensus with most of the adult community.

I just call it the way I see it.

I have no axe to grind. I left a certain processpr because they would not change their policies. I am happy I made the right decision. Not only did this company put themselves and thus their clients at risk ( for greed), but the fact is once I left I got much better thru put, and conversions, and better technical support with JETTIS & EPOCH!


Mike AI Epoch - Never took a risk with Beasty or Lolita - Look to them to help you out!

DO NOT BE FOOLED! THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUES! JUST LIKE THEY CALLED ME NAMES FOR RAISING THE BEASTY SITE ISSUE 3+ YEARS AGO!

WAKE UP AND PROTECT YOURSELF!
********************************

oh, come on....money frozen by beasty processors are very safe....
it's safer than Bank CD maturing between 6 months and ad infinum!
Serge >>>>>>>>>>JETIS<<<<<<<<<<<

MikeAI,
it's all your fault!

you killed the beat!

what kind of "rebel" are you?
;-)))

Serge >>>>>>>>>>JETIS<<<<<<<<<<<

It is nice to be vindicated by the powers that be at VISA. I laugh at the fact that certain credit card processors are scrambling now to cover their asses, and their potential major chargeback issue.

These same third party processors are going to have major problems, beause they were balls deep into beasty sites, and lolita sites.

They will release statements, send e-mails, and have their minions tell everyone "everything is ok". That "it is a minimal" amount of their business. But this is coming from the same people who have lied on a regular basis, and has every reason to continue to lie.

Anyone who is still doing business with these companies better watch their asses. I would definately diversify out, and look into other processors who do not have this liability hanging ove their heads.

This is going to hit from now, for up to 8 months...

DO NOT BE FOOLED! THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUES! JUST LIKE THEY CALLED ME NAMES FOR RAISING THE BEASTY SITE ISSUE 3+ YEARS AGO!

WAKE UP AND PROTECT YOURSELF!



Mike AI Great checking billing... and they won't pound your pooch!

but I believe all men are sensitive down there.

=o)
***************************

I know...that's what my proctologist said!
;-))
Serge

I am BVERY sensative
==================

Serge,

I'm no Doctor, but I believe all men are sensitive down there.

=o)


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

MikeW, cool, I am game!
I'll sedn you e-mail when I get back from dinner...
I hope those girls have mercy on my soul and don't do any permanent damage
;-))

I am like vooddoo,
I am BVERY sensative

(Push, stop laughing, you prick!)
;-)))
Serge

Serge,
NO! ;))

"discharge" now thats a vile word.


Nick

Yo Anthony!

;-))
MikeW (Filthy Bastard)

Yo Mikey!
Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Serge ... lets go Sat. night, more girls to choose from then ;-))


MikeW (Filthy Bastard) gator boots and gucci suits ...

good,
I know you can sort it out and while you at it...can you help my freinds finding their cat in Moscow?
Serge

I dunno,Serge,call it "professional courtesy" ;))
Nick

Serge,
Could we stay off continual criminal enterprise please ;)))
Nickatilynx
*************************

sure, I won't say a word about them extorting money from you,
it's YOUR call.

why? did they stop?
Serge

Geez whats next..MATURE WOMEN
*****************************

are you comparing them to...dogs???
Serge

John,there is NOTHING wrong with mature women :))

"testicles"...thats positively an obscene word.

Serge,
Could we stay off continual criminal enterprise please ;)))
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook, CERTIFIED!)

Meni,
they don't wanna hang around with MATURE guys like me
;-)))
Serge

Serge you going out with Donny, MikeW, and Jim Gunn Friday or Sat?
Meni (The Golden Tongue) XXX ATM, new, fresh, fun

Geez whats next..MATURE WOMEN(Im duckin...let it rip);))
JohnIP

I really want to see a judges face when presented with a webmaster suing visa over the right to receive money from beast sites. LOL.
Nick
*************************

why? KK says beastilaity is not illegal...I'm sure she can convince the judge of it
;-)))
Serge

Serge,
You don't have a post from webfather where he said something like put 20% away to fight legal battles?

I really want to see a judges face when presented with a webmaster suing visa over the right to receive money from beast sites. LOL.
Nick

Just so I know.

Can anyone give me a real world example of extortion?


Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

Extortion. Is that illegal?
*********************************

only if you get caught and convicted of RICO
Serge

I can feel the bitterness today?

Guess the beastie thing has people down. Any idea if this will affect the fake beast sites like cen and silver cash have?
Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash, 80+ sites

extortion is a very dirty word,Anthony.

So is "scrotum"

;))
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook, CERTIFIED!)

My definition of bullshit ;))
Nick

Nick,
you don't understand....
what's good for beasty sites owners - is good for the Human Race and Human Spirit and THEY are on the front burner of Progress and light the tourch for us all!

bravo!
;-))

and you also don't understand Nick how much hassle for beasty site owners to sit on all those money...bookeeping, storage, dusting....
please feel sorry for them!


Serge

Benefit of the Law?

Extortion. Is that illegal?




Anthony (Lord Darth Mailer)

I remember Lovey, Mike/LisaA/Whisper Promise, and Shitman, but I think I was too late for Deb of the Web :( Of course, there was also Marina - what ever happened to her?!



Peaches

He just ate one of my toes.....
The Producer 3 foot Lizards Live in my backyard and one in my pants :-)

""The bottom line is that a non governmental agency, which fits the description of a monopoly, is seeing fit to regulate the incomes of an industry, along with allowing people to see only what they will allow, without the benefit of a law behind them."""

posted on another board by KK.

Why is it when some people business is curtailed on the grounds that it is vile,do some people maintain it is a threat to human rights.

I for one don't give a fuck ;))

My definition of bullshit ;))
Nick

Brad -

what's up with your conversions lately?

I think I'm at 1:75 now...

lol
sharky Designing for the Big Guys!

yeah, I see, it was a very tough question....dumb employees are usualy a rarety with companies who hold everybody's money...

ok,
I'll give a clue:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54738
Serge

Jenna is hosting the Strippers Ball at Club Radius in Boca tonight 11-2 am
Jay will be there
say hi
Meni (The Golden Tongue) XXX ATM, new, fresh, fun

We currently have 700,000 exits a day available with minimum test of 350,000 that you can spread out over a week if you like. E-mail me for details if you are interested.

randy@candidcam.com
rdubbs Traffic

You think that's bad. Have I got a story for you.


Anthony
**********************

spill the beans!

I am all ears!
Serge

Thanks Brad & Jim.

I will advise clients not to use lace stuff on tours until this has been resolved.

:-)
sharky AAA Adult Design

now....
for $10,
who can name first who would admit on public boards that their company was looking to curcumvent intent of purpose of Visa Ban?

""On a last note, we did indeed attempt to find someone out of the states
willing to take the rebills and pay the site owners AND resellers per
the CCBill setup. Unfortunately for our clients, it just didn't happen."
"

survey says?


Serge

worth repeating:

"...because there is a potential for an unusually
large amount of chargebacks and/or refunds, CCBill is holding all funds due
you for a minimum of 6 months. Once we are satisfied that there is no
further chargeback activity, we will send you the remaining balance."""

I'm sure CCBill is now gonna file suit against bad, bad Visa for having them to sit on this pile of cash minimum 6 months - maximum unknown
(I have no clue how long does it take for CCBill to get "satisfied"...some women NEVER do....)
http://www.granniesnfatties.com/images/tour1-5x2.jpg
;0))




Serge

Sharky,

you have mail.
JimW S.I.C. Cash v.4

Serge,

You think that's bad. Have I got a story for you.


Anthony

David Lace's reputation of poor record keeping has caught up with him. Of course I will take the fall since he has no real assets and just ignores lawsuits.
Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash, 80+ sites

Beasty owners get is up the ass,
and Ron smells like a rose!
Seems like dogs had the last word after all and have bitten beast site owners in the ass!
;-)))

CRIME DOESN'T PAY AFTER ALL...


Subject: IMPORTANT VISA NOTIFICATION! PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY
Importance: High




1501 W. 17th Street

Tempe, Arizona 85281
(480) 449-7750 Fax (480) 449-8814





IMPORTANT – Please read immediately!



March 25, 2002



Dear Webmaster:



Attached is a copy of a letter we received from Visa stating that they will
no longer accept Visa cards as payment for beastiality sites. Please note
that their decision is effective immediately. Although we regret having to,
CCBill must, as a result of Visa’s decision and other potential legal
problems associated with processing billing for beastiality sites, cancel
our agreement to provide service to you. We will continue to accept new
member sign-ups until 2:00 PM Mountain time on Thursday, March 28, 2002.



Even though your site will still be accessible to existing members until
their subscriptions expire, because there is a potential for an unusually
large amount of chargebacks and/or refunds, CCBill is holding all funds due
you for a minimum of 6 months. Once we are satisfied that there is no
further chargeback activity, we will send you the remaining balance.



While we have tried to find another way for you to continue processing, we
have been unable to do so. I appreciate your business in the past, and again
regret having to take this action. Please contact Frank Cadwell at (480)
449-7760 between the hours of 11:00 AM and 4:00 PM Mountain time if you have
any questions.





Very truly yours,

Ron

Ron Cadwell

Serge (69 ways to make a fortune)

NO ID? From David Lace. What, how can that be? One of the biggest names out there not legit? Ouch...

SoBeGirl Video A USC 2257 Title 18 compliant client.

SUN SUN SUN SUN SUN SUN SUN SUN

The Producer 3 foot Lizards Live in my backyard and one in my pants :-)

Sharky, get with Jim, I believe he has the infomation as to which set.
Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash, 80+ sites

Brad -

which image/ set of images?


sharky Hot Sex On A Platter!

No comment on the goat sex link I came here just to post for you special??
*************************

DaveH,
http://nocomments.com
Serge

DaveH, I see you have a link to David Lace. I would think twice about sending him any business, his record keeping is in serious doubt. I have been dragged into a lawsuit using one of his images in our tour, turns out he has no model release, or id on the girl.


Brad Shaw S.I.C. Cash, 80+ sites

Serge, that is TERRIBLE news! Death to all cat thieves! I love cats... one should always have a lil pussy around the house...

Sorry, I'd love to help, but I can't type in Russian and I have to go do some banners right now, but good luck in finding culprit!

No comment on the goat sex link I came here just to post for you special?? :-P

DaveH

DaveH,
while you playing with your tags,
I'm involved in serious work...
Friend of mine had his cat stolen!
http://www.crutop.nu/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002389.html

we now looking for his cat all over Moscow ans search internet for the evidence....

wanna help us look for a cat?
Serge

Yer killin me over here Serge! :-P
*********************************

need a cheap burial plot?

;-0))
Serge

LMAO!

Yer killin me over here Serge! :-P

DaveH New Improved! Special Oprano Tag Link!

DaveH,
yes, it was announced Sunday nite and the whole day yesterday

also...
next time you post, take a look at #5 rule
Serge

That's not a problem at all Serge, but you never told me that, friend. I would have if you did. Was there some sort of announcement or something? I can't go looking all over your site for some elusive announcement that I never heard, I'm a busy guy too :-)
DaveH

Push,
I knew you gonna love it, and I did it just for you!
;-)))

BTW, your tag doesn't resolve from here
;-(((

ask folks if they have the same problem as me...
;-(((
Serge

'I am a very busy person '

Serge, I almost blew my PB&J sandwich out my nose when I read that one ,lol


Hank D six tons of fun

DaveH,
I am not asking for your first born...
is that a big bother to put small TEXT link to oprano on the bottom?

if this is not a biggie for JohnIP, bpj, Pushrod, and others,
I don't see it as a big problem for ya...
Serge

Serge, I don't know what to tell you, there is an Oprano banner link on my site.

The only time I took it down was when you said you didn't want it.

And now all of a sudden I'm not a friend? When did that happen? Or are we only friends in secret?

DaveH

Click here - http://www.teaserdesign.com/

Click RESOURCES.

;-) ;-)
DaveH
***********************

fine, you can post that resources page all you want in your tags.

I don't have time to look all over the sites,
if it ain't there on the one in the tag,
I go no futher, I am a very busy person
;-)))
Serge

DaveH, I don't
;-(((

And did you forget, a year ago I came in here and posted Oprano banners I made, and showed you my link to Oprano, and you said "We don't really want/need links from other sites" (paraphrased)

*****************************

I rememeber you wanted us to exchange links, we weren't interested.
100% correct info and guess what?
we still don't, unless Cleo decides that she wants to do it.

But this is a new rule for commercial sites:
if you put URL in tags and not Oprano sponsor-
please have link back to Oprano...
or don't use tags.

This is not a problem with our friends and as you probably noticed, we can't give a flying fuck about those who are not our friends or members of immediate family.

Please be guided accordingly.

http://icelord.net/lesnik/
Serge

Dantheman,

Yeah, the chat was in full out scroll-mode.

I'm around to talk any time.
Colin 4 Free Bucks

>>> a 'confucy' imposter

Isn't that an oxymoron? :-)

>>> Mike/LisaA/Whsiper Promise?

Not to mention Shitman!

Btw, Sykk, I am still waiting for "the delivery". :-))
Dravyk DaveH doesn't link to us :(

Drestin, contrary to popular believe, Cigars DO count as 'smoking'!

;-)

fatbaby

BTW Serge, since you probably didn't bother to look, I'll give you directions:
Click here - http://www.teaserdesign.com/

Click RESOURCES.

;-) ;-)
DaveH

Serge, wtf?? You don't see the Oprano link on my site??

And did you forget, a year ago I came in here and posted Oprano banners I made, and showed you my link to Oprano, and you said "We don't really want/need links from other sites" (paraphrased)
DaveH

Grimm,
Excellent.Conference me in next time :)
Nick

Nick,

Very nice story indeed.

I don't smoke anymore, and I didn't really look past the initial front page to see about the legitimacy of this site, but http://smoke.shop4all.net/ looks like you can save some cash if you're in the market to do so on cigarettes. They looked pretty cheap...Like $15.00us a carton.
Hope you don't end up in jail if you buy em here though...:)


Drestin

every time i chat with anthony it regresses into naughty asian sex chat.
grimm (Blow Me)

didn't bother to look it up ;))

Re:Traffic ...chat with Anthnoy :)
Nick

nick... did you just look up "nobility"?;)
grimm (Blow Me)

btw heard a great story last night that I had never heard....

In Denmark during WW2 it was ordered by the nazis that the star of David be worn by all Jews (as usual in occupied countries).

The King of Denmark (a gentile)immediately pinned one on himself.Causing the rest of the population to follow his lead.

Thats my definition of "nobility" :)

sorry to interupt,just thought it was a cool story :)
Nick

mutt,
ship em all out to Fire Island.



maybe we should just get 'em some goats.
8-O
Runk Got Gay Traffic?

nick... yoou want some chinese traffic?:)
grimm (Blow Me)

look...some of those goats are gagging for it ;))))
Nick

http://www.worldonline.co.za/news/news_center_020325.460947.html

*********
new definition for horny.
8-)
Runk Got Gay Traffic?

DrGuile,
if you are not familiar with new Oprano rules-ask me and I'll explain them.

Serge

WebDad... I could only recognize the face, cause Push is right! There are too many BODIES in the biz that resemble Lovey's! ahahahhahahah! ;-)))

bpj

I don't forget faces.... i KNOW it was Lovey!
**********************************

Face?? I say the BODY.

;-))

Webfather

Ah come'on Sergei, I said 'witty'!

oh well...
DrGuile