but it fails to mention what is considered a "visitor"

Timon
***************************

Timon,
I can get you AOL e-mail of tech support and you can ask them!
;-)))
Serge

Timon,
I don't think there is a definition like that in stats Netscape provides
Serge
*****************************
Yes there is, all numbers in the stats are called "visitors"
but it fails to mention what is considered a "visitor"

Timon

Timon,
I don't think there is a definition like that in stats Netscape provides
Serge

Ok now that the shit storm has passed I'll repeat
my burning question...

What is considered a "visitor" in the Oprano stats?

Timon

I hope not ;-)
Opti
***********************

hahahahhahahaha,
yeap,
the show will be over when they do
;-)))

Serge

I hope not ;-)
Opti

You forgot about the 35 posts plus 42 minutes of amusement too! (thats 2 days worth on Suprise by Serges stats!)
Opti
**************************

ahhh...kids....will they ever learn?
;-))
Serge

And the horse (goat) he rode in on?;)))
Torone
**********************

nope,
I refuse to do ANYTHING with his truck' exhaust pipe
;-))
Serge

Serge,
I have no intend of getting into any rumor mills or discussions, but since you decided to open a can of worms, I will address... ONCE!
Fri, 08 Mar 2002 06:22:37 - IP: 216.66.64.207 - Post # 63656

A typical Serge.
Congrats you've accomplished your task. You got me to come here.

You left my comments unanswered, spinned through all the posts, and focused on things that were irrelevant to the subject.
Tukhman LikeWhoa
Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:04:11 - IP: 216.66.64.207 - Post # 63688

================================

You forgot about the 35 posts plus 42 minutes of amusement too! (thats 2 days worth on Suprise by Serges stats!)
Opti http://cotac.com/~knight/Oprano/Oprano.html

A typical Serge.
Congrats you've accomplished your task. You got me to come here.
***********************************

Tukhman,
my task is to kick Lensman and I failed miserably
;-(((

your presense here is non event for Oprano...


Serge

Serge,
"...and on your dog also!"
And the horse (goat) he rode in on?;)))
Torone

Serge...are you "ethics" going to rub off on me when i come down?
*********
Ethics???

Cleo_LinkUP (traffictarian) The desert of choice of webmasters world wide

A typical Serge.
Congrats you've accomplished your task. You got me to come here.

You left my comments unanswered, spinned through all the posts, and focused on things that were irrelevant to the subject.
Tukhman LikeWhoa

Serge...are you "ethics" going to rub off on me when i come down?
MrCash...
*************************

...and on your dog also!
You know how I am around animals
;-)))
Serge

Have you pulled from redesign of Oprano AFTER drafts were created for you? Let me address that

You didn't like the fact that we decided to charge more for design when you decided to have your WHOLE site designed in flash, something we got informed when the design was already due!
********************************

I let MikeAI address this subject,
I ate enough shit from him for letting you get ahead with design in the first place,
I'll let him repeat to you what my ears had to hear...because he was 100% RIGHT.

I'll ICQ you when he posts, so you don't have to hit reload every 5 seconds and skew my stats formulas
;-)))
Serge

Serge...are you "ethics" going to rub off on me when i come down?
MrCash...

I'm not here to have a piss-match with you.

Tukhman
***************************

oh really???

and how the fuck do you call all your previous posts???

blowing smoke up my ass????

it IS a piss,
and you don't have to be ashamed of it, even Enron "corporate executives" piss in Congress
;-)))
Serge

is that what they teach you in YOUR business school of ethics???
----

Have you pulled from redesign of Oprano AFTER drafts were created for you? Let me address that

You didn't like the fact that we decided to charge more for design when you decided to have your WHOLE site designed in flash, something we got informed when the design was already due!

Is that business ethics?
Tukhman LikeWhoa

Don't worry about where I was taught my business ethics, it shows in my actions.
**************************

hahahhahahaha,
and this is EXACTLY what I say!

have you cancelled Oprano advertising when you were billed on February 15th or did you do it on March 3rd after I demanded payment, which was 5 weeks overdue??????

is that what they teach you in YOUR business school of ethics???
;-)))


Serge

Serge-
The list is irrelevant. You will never see me expose our personal communication, at the moment, we are discussing Like Whoa/Sexcounter and You, not even Oprano as a company.

I'm not here to have a piss-match with you.

Timon- Never a piss! ;-)))
Tukhman LikeWhoa

I know for a fact that we sent out MORE traffic from our little banner on few SexCounter pages to Oprano then Opran sent to us for all advertising spots we bought ;-)

That's the story.

Tukhman
**********************************

Hey can i get a "little banner" spot from you some time? When I clicked in to a look just a few days I was wondering if Serge owned the whole site that "little banner" you're talking of was SO BIG and prominent..

And you only got how many hits in a day was it serge?
Opti http://cotac.com/~knight/Oprano/Oprano.html

Please, don't act as if we were just your sponsor ;-)
Or maybe you change your mind on the fly.
***************************

my mind was made long time ago..
I hate "suits" and "corporate environment"
I liked you more when you were just doing business and haven't had chips on your shoulders and all this "corporate" bullshit!

Serge

That's your problem. Every sponsor who ever left you becomes your enemy. Why? I'm yet to figure out.
************************************

hmmmm....
let's go thru the list:
1) Todd, former sponsor, got "care package" from him last week,
is that an "enemy behaviour"?

2) KC, former sponsor, goes to fishing trip with MikeAI right after he pulled off.

3) AndyA, former sponsor,
being quoted by me in my upcoming pornresources interview,
is that how I treat enemies???

4) DiamonfJim, former sponsor,
the Asshole Award recepient,
and Asshole of the Month 2002,
and guest of Honor at PHB
is he an enemy????

5) Cybrglide, former sponsor, whose home I visit like it was my own,
is he an enemy???

Kid,
you gotta get your facts straight before you push your foot in your mouth on Oprano...

Serge

I make innocent joke about counter and a pissing match
between Serge and Nick follows??

SWEET :-))

I should post silly jokes more often ;-))

Timon

I never acted PROFESSIONAL!
----

A revalation or a known fact to all of us?;-)

Don't worry about where I was taught my business ethics, it shows in my actions. We are not competing for an executive of the year, we are discussing a simple personal treatment level.


Tukhman LikeWhoa

please show me those posts...
the proof is in the puding,
go get your proof, tiger!
----
Sorry not going to be digging your posts, but I do have an e-mail that was sent to all the sponsors, with your innovative idea, centered around the fact that SexCounter sends you traffic.

If you felt that our name should be mentioned to all of your sponsors combined, I would say that we sent you something you liked.
;-))))
Tukhman LikeWhoa

The whole point Serge, you are acting unprofessional. Burning bridges because somebody stopped advertising with you?
**********************************

I never acted PROFESSIONAL!
and may I ask you what was the name of the University they taught you Bussiness Ethics and Professionalism???

corner of 8th Brighton and Brighton Beach Avenue????
Serge

Serge-
Maybe. But you forgot one HUGe element. You criticize IBILL for not informing their clients, let me show you an Oprano scenario.

Static Banner Guys! 2 weeks into it, oops a rotation. However, even if the exposure increased (viwers more, because I didn't notice clicks ;-)) maybe it's nice to tell your sponsors that ;-))))

I didn't care Serge. I'm simple. I start caring when I'm treated like a dirt-bag.
Tukhman LikeWhoa

That's not what you said in numerous posts claiming that we did a stable job in reffering traffic.
*****************************

please show me those posts...
the proof is in the puding,
go get your proof, tiger!


Serge

How about a static banner, that of the sudden became a rotation?
**********************************

sure, but the amout of exposure also rose...
static banner at 40 exposures a day,
gets the same number of exposures as rotating 1:3 banner with 120 exposures a day...plus..
do you recall the "currency" you used to pay for those spots????

I'll wait for Todd and Sharky to wake up to price those priceless designs!
;-))))
Serge

Your response: Banners rotate, that's a nature of it ;-))))
*****************************

HAHAHA so REAL problem seems to appear... someone didn't want to SHARE the "shitty banner space" on Oprano?
Opti

Serge-
How do you expect your sponsors to be satisfied by creating ad spots on the fly?
Revenue model is good, however once it's abused, it becomes a temporary fix ;-)
Tukhman LikeWhoa

I don't usually go to the bottom of refferals
----
That's not what you said in numerous posts claiming that we did a stable job in reffering traffic.

The whole point Serge, you are acting unprofessional. Burning bridges because somebody stopped advertising with you?

That's your problem. Every sponsor who ever left you becomes your enemy. Why? I'm yet to figure out.

Please, don't act as if we were just your sponsor ;-)
Or maybe you change your mind on the fly.
Tukhman LikeWhoa

Serge,
Spin it. Banner was up for 2 weeks, and the reason WHY i wanted it to be unclickable is because SexCounter 2 wasn't released at the time...
*************************

so, how do you expect clicks from unclickable banner and tell me that we send you less clicks than you sent us?????


Serge

Let's not talk about MONTHS of advertising spots, banners, etc.
********************************

why not???

today is the day when Oprano settles ALL it's family counting business!
;-)))
Serge

I give up. How many?

OK Colin, how many times can I visit in one day?

Colin Counting Games

Now, the banner is off, care or not, it was pulled because I was tired of your tag-line games.
************************************

really???

damn, I haven't noticed it...
;-(((

I don't usually go to the bottom of refferals
;-)))
Serge

how do you expect any hits if you provide us with flash and UNCLICKABLE banner?????
----

Serge,
Spin it. Banner was up for 2 weeks, and the reason WHY i wanted it to be unclickable is because SexCounter 2 wasn't released at the time...

Let's not talk about MONTHS of advertising spots, banners, etc.

How about a static banner, that of the sudden became a rotation?

Your response: Banners rotate, that's a nature of it ;-))))
Tukhman LikeWhoa

Serge-

Like I said, has nothing to do with a decision. It has to do with how it's deal with. I'm not going to fall for immature games of posting through taglines just because Like Whoa doesn't send you a check.

I mean c'mon, I don't know how much you care for your image, but don't you think going from calling us your "kids", "top notch", to what it fell right now, just because there is no more sponsorship involvement.

My conversation ended with ME telling you that I will continue fueling you with traffic, even after us pulling away. Because I was raised differently, I give respect when its due. Now, the banner is off, care or not, it was pulled because I was tired of your tag-line games.


Tukhman LikeWhoa

I know for a fact that we sent out MORE traffic from our little banner on few SexCounter pages to Oprano then Opran sent to us for all advertising spots we bought ;-)
**********************************

how do you expect any hits if you provide us with flash and UNCLICKABLE banner?????

remember that snaffu or should I brush upon your memory????

Stan's respose when I informed him about it was...
that's the way we want it!
;-)))
Serge

OK Colin, how many times can I visit in one day?

Timon

I was reading the YNOT news and looked over the tJ thing. I dont know the guy but if you are going to sleep with 14 year old girls then you are going to have a problem. I do a lot of crazy shit myself, Just look at SoBeGirl.com, but if a girl looks young then I don't work with her. It seems to me that this girl looked young, but she supposedly had ID so it was ok to work with her. I don't look at it that way. If she looks young, and she proves to me that she is actually legal, I still won’t fucking shoot her. I have seen some content providers put girls in ponytails and school skirts to make them look younger. Asking for trouble, if you ask me. So TJay goes to jail, he fucked up and that is that. You know, this country, the greatest country in the world, that allows us to operate these kinds of businesses, gives us some simple rules to follow. Rules called Title 18 USC 2257. They give them to us and we should follow them. PERIOD. I wrote about it here. Give it a read; it is interesting what you can find out when you dig into the code.

http://www.sobegirl.com/articles/keeping_up.htm

Erik
sobegirl.com
The Producer SoBeGirl 200 Amateur Video /Pic Sets and Growing

Tukhman,
why don't we compare notes?

I posted my ICQ,
why don't you post yours?

let's do the REAL count
;-))
Serge

Timon,

YOU'RE a visitor.
Colin Show 'em the V sign, brother!

1) how can they be "official" Oprano counter with rumors circulating that I own LikeWhoa?????
-----
Serge,
I have no intend of getting into any rumor mills or discussions, but since you decided to open a can of worms, I will address... ONCE!

Official or Not. Trust me, it was not YOUR decision to pull off the counter ;-)

-----
The real figure is probably pretty embarrassing,
or you wouldn't have pulled the Sexcounter ;-)
-------

Timon,
Real or Not, I think SexCounter did a pretty good job in counting. Yeah, Oprano is pretty popular, unfortunately not for sponsors, or maybe it was just us in particular.

I know for a fact that we sent out MORE traffic from our little banner on few SexCounter pages to Oprano then Opran sent to us for all advertising spots we bought ;-)

That's the story.


Tukhman LikeWhoa

65% of 5081 = 3303 so I wasn't too far out in my book... closer than your 10% miss with Cleo's board :)~
***********************************

well,
5081 was out of the question,
because you used multiplier higher than 12, BIG mistake
;-))

and the rule of thumb is:
as long as you use the number between 8 and 12,
you'll be in the ball park
;-))
Serge

short month of February was the RECORD month,
gotta be Cleo and all new blood she brings from her LinkUp board
*******************
See that time of month does bring something besides PMS.

Off to the gym for me...
Cleo_LinkUP (traffictarian) The desert of choice of webmasters world wide

As long as all the new blood doesn't drive the old blood away then here's to another record in March!

Opti
********************

Opti,
it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.

21734 hits in March so far
times 4.5 weeks projects to 97800,
hardly a record
;-)))
Serge

65% of 5081 = 3303 so I wasn't too far out in my book... closer than your 10% miss with Cleo's board :)~

(Stats NEVER lie) LOL
Opti Selling T-Shirts now Serge?

LOL.... <spank me> we can't have the estimates too low now!!!!

;-)

As long as all the new blood doesn't drive the old blood away then here's to another record in March!

Opti Selling T-Shirts now Serge?

http://cotac.com/~knight/Oprano/Oprano.html
******************************
What is considered a "visitor" ??

Timon

Opti,
that was too low
;-))

here is the real numbers:
http://cotac.com/~knight/Oprano/Oprano.html

BTW,
short month of February was the RECORD month,
gotta be Cleo and all new blood she brings from her LinkUp board
Serge

Funny you should say that... I noticed the load bar gones on.. and on... and on... when i refresh... :(

A counter I use counts about 65% so I will go for 2956 then :)

Opti

is official counter now,
because NOBODY in their right mind will think that Oprano owns AOL and Netscape
*****************************
But you have an interest in it since you own Time Warner right?

Timon

Opti, wrong!!!!

way to high! and....
the counter we have is on the BOTTOM of the page, so it shows LESS than if it was on top
;-))

try again
;-))
Serge

5081
Opti Jerky

The real figure is probably pretty embarrassing,
or you wouldn't have pulled the Sexcounter ;-)
*************************

sexcounter....

1) how can they be "official" Oprano counter with rumors circulating that I own LikeWhoa?????

2) I didn't pull them,
they pulled out themselve because....:

RusskySerge(10:37 AM) :
stan we still didn't get $1000 for the LAST month
from you
RusskySerge(10:41 AM) :
if this is what you call
"corporate behavior",
I'd rather pull you off
and turn you into "content",
I am sick and fucking tired chasing you for money every fucking month,
PONIMAESH?
RusskySerge(10:42 AM) :
cc: Tukhman


Netscape Counter

is official counter now,
because NOBODY in their right mind will think that Oprano owns AOL and Netscape
Serge

care to guess the number of impressions on main board based upon 359 posts number?
***************************
The real figure is probably pretty embarrassing,
or you wouldn't have pulled the Sexcounter ;-)

Timon

Thats almost 10% out Serge... ;-(
**********************************

Opti,
the correlation I posted was:
between 8-12, depending on the board activity.

Board Activity is somethign I can't define without doing few hours of
calculations and for all intent and purposes,
10% is not that critical.

8.59 would have been EXACT multiplier, and...
8.59 is between 8-12 as I said before...
;-))

care to guess the number of impressions on main board based upon 359 posts number?
;-))

I know the answer, so I won't post it 'till you do
;-))
Serge

estimate: 296
result: 318

Thats almost 10% out Serge... ;-(
Optional Click here many times to rig stats for Friday

Wow,

Just read that article about JMM and "TJay"...

http://www.ynotmasters.com/news/ynews/issues/030702/page3.html

JMM, Nice work on sniffing out another "Shitman Debacle"!!

If it weren't for those damn pesky facts... Tjay might be getting the sympathy he wanted... ;)

Thanks Jeff :)


KC

The stats are ready earlier this morning and I was close

http://cotac.com/~knight/Oprano/Linkup.html


Serge

Surprise - 17 posts
*********************
Is that for real???
Timon

----------------------------

Mmm sounds like good tag line value to me >:)

8000 eyes... 17 posts.. not like these fucked up boards that change when you click refresh!!
Optional I'm Surprised

BTW,
based upon this 37 number,
and the correlation to impression formula,
do you care to guess what will be the number of impressions when daily stats get ready in a few hours?

my GUESS is 37 x 8 = 296 +/-

I'll let you know when I see the stats
Serge

here is the numbers for OpranoLinkUp - 37
Serge

Serge,

What were vnwr numbers from Wednesday?
Colin TGP2.COM
********************************

83....
Serge

Wait till some scumbag releases a new secret weapon
next month that will have a bigger impact than exit consoles
and that will change the face of the Net beyond comprehension...
-----------------------------------
Dr Evil? is that you? :-)

JR

being a bunch of cynical, sarcastic assholes that do not really care about kissing ass... does have some advantages...
***************************

JR,
kissing asses is BAD for our business...
I can't make some sponsors leave and I go out of my way and post that they are pricks on this board and on THEIR boards...

I don't know what to do next...
;-(((

let's see if this works:
Brad, you are the most sexiest creature which EVER walked the planet Earth and I'd still be submitting my sites to all link lists if I haven't joined your program for 3 days in 1999.

damn, I hate this shit, but...business is business
;-)))
Serge

HOW TO IDENTIFY WHERE A DRIVER IS FROM:


1. One hand on wheel, one hand on
horn: CHICAGO


2. One hand on wheel, one finger out window: NEW YORK


3. One hand on wheel, one finger out window, cutting across all
lanes of traffic: NEW JERSEY


4. One hand on wheel, one hand on newspaper,
foot solidly on accelerator: BOSTON


5. One hand on wheel, one hand on
nonfat double decaf cappuccino, cradling cell phone, brick on accelerator,
gun in lap: LOS ANGELES


6. Both hands on wheel, eyes shut, both feet on
brake, quivering in terror: OHIO, but driving in CALIFORNIA


7. Waving at
everyone that you pass, eating a moon pie, sipping an RC, smiling and
chewing and talking to yourself. TENNESSEE


8. One hand on 12 oz. Double
shot latte, one knee on wheel, cradling cell phone, foot on brake, mind on
radio game, banging head on steering wheel while stuck in traffic: SEATTLE


9. One hand on wheel, one hand on hunting rifle, alternating
between both feet being on the accelerator and both feet on brake, throwing
McDonald's bag out the window: TEXAS


10. Four-wheel drive pick-up truck,
shotgun mounted in rear window, beer cans on floor, squirrel tails attached
to antenna: ALABAMA


11. Two hands gripping wheel, blue hair barely
visible above windshield, driving 35 on the Interstate in the left lane
with the left blinker on: FLORIDA


12. Knee up against
steering wheel, one hand on Tim Horton's coffee cup, cell phone in ear,
accelerator to the floor, applying makeup/ doing crossword puzzle/ reading
morning Free Press, knocking down orange barrels, changing lanes without
turn signals: MICHIGAN


13. Crack pipe on dash, one hand on the wheel,
other hand counting illegal money, empty beer cans in back seat, body of
lawyer who knew too much in trunk, "stains" on pants, cigar with weird
smell: WASHINGTON DC
UGLY

"who 5 people plus his mother, now want whacked"
*****************************
Only 5? Wait till some scumbag releases a new secret weapon
next month that will have a bigger impact than exit consoles
and that will change the face of the Net beyond comprehension...

MUHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

Timon

Serge,

What were vnwr numbers from Wednesday?
Colin TGP2.COM

Voltar's - 398 posts
***************************

I didn't wanna put this one for a reason...
yesterday Voltar was having
Posting Bingo game
so this number is not typical and abberation from the normal day,
as I compared it to March 6, just one day before.

I believe it doing more due dilligence in MY findings
;-))

but...if you insist on inclussion of this number, who am I to say NO?
;-))
Serge

JR and I are VERY good friends now :)

In all honesty, it was limited testing
of boards posting, BUT results were startling with CTRs at Oprano more than 10x higher than nearest competitors.

I haven't posted anywhere else but tgp2.com since.
Colin TGP2.COM

Serge - LMSAO ;-))

Timon

There is no board out there where shit gets brought up into the open faster and more accurately than on Oprano
----------------------------------
being a bunch of cynical, sarcastic assholes that do not really care about kissing ass... does have some advantages...

(except for Nick... who 5 people plus his mother, now want whacked) :-))

JR

I'll help ... Wow! Go Voltar!

GFY - 894 posts
Voltar's - 398 posts
Oprano - 359 posts
TNB - 125 posts
TGP2.COM - 94 posts
pond - 47 posts
YNOT - 30 posts
Surprise - 17 posts
Colin TGP2.COM

How does one send more traffic than he receives?? Don't ask ;-))

Timon
***************************

...and I wouldn't touch THIS with a 20 foot pole!
;-))
Serge

Hey you guys forgot to include "On The Ropes" in your list ;-))

Timon

Actually I slightly disagree Mika, I haven't run freesites
for a looong time but back in the day the most important
thing (besides money) was trying to have more outgoing traffic
than incoming traffic because the more traffic you send
the more you get ;-)

How does one send more traffic than he receives?? Don't ask ;-))

Timon

I don't know about that,
------------------------
one thing i have noticed in the last few years, is... if it has to do with stats, data or mathematics and Colin says its true... then you can bet its true. :-)
JR

Serge .. addendum :)
*************************

Colin,
more addendums:

GFY - 894 posts
Oprano - 359 posts
TNB - 125 posts
TGP2.COM - 94 posts
pond - 47 posts
YNOT - 30 posts
Surprise - 17 posts

Serge

mIKA,
no arguments from me...
Serge

And Oprano has highest CTR. Guaranteed!
*************************

I don't know about that,
I don't have enough data,
few testimonies from you, Aaron, AndyA, are not enough for 100% proof conclusion.

but what I do know is:

there is not a single board out there where more money change hands than on Oprano.

There si no board out there where posters have more traffic among themselves than on Oprano

There is no board out there where shit gets brought up into the open faster and more accurately than on Oprano.

and as usual,
DON'T TRUST ANYTHING i SAY,
check it all yourselves and
http://allofem.com is a good starting point.
Serge

Serge .. addendum :)

GFY - 894 posts
Oprano - 359 posts
TGP2.COM - 94 posts
pond - 47 posts
YNOT - 30 posts
Surprise - 17 posts
Colin TGP2.COM

I only like numbers when they are written as letters

R = B + I - O

R = real traffic
B = base traffic
O = outgoing traffic (trades etc.)
I = incoming traffic (trades etc.)

Since we want to maximize R,
I > O (always)

If I < O

We better stick with

R = B

Mika

Hm, Kaiser told me they get 8000 unique webmaster hits a day
when I inquired about ad space...
**********************************

if that was the case,
the number of posts would have been somewhere near 650.

I was watching GFY and International Webmasters threaded boards, and there is very interesting statistics there,
because they show impressions and number of posts.

the ratio between the impressions and posts is about 8:1 in ACTIVE threads and close to 12:1 in inactive ones.

don't trust me, go check the numbers yourself,
c'cuz...
as Webfather said in Perl:
"In numbers we Trust, in People we don't"

Therefore the claim of 8000 unique hits is slightly exaturated.

The way Surprise gets it's traffic is different...every time you check your CE stats, their board is forced on you upon closing,
same when you visit CE's webmaster page.

Seems like the vast majority just closes the annoying exit pop up.
;-)

...and once again,
do NOT trust my numbers,
check them for yourself and if you find my findings inaccurate-
please tell me about it!

uh-uh-uh!
Serge

Well I am BeerGuru(tm)

Who's MasturbationGuru anyway?

I know Todd has all the right tools ;-))

Timon

And Oprano has highest CTR. Guaranteed!

yesterday's stats:

GFY - 894 posts
Oprano - 359 posts
pond - 47 posts
YNOT - 30 posts
Surprise - 17 posts
Colin 4 Free Bucks. Signed, Sealed, Delivered.

Numbers don't lie. People lie.

There's a book called

"How to Lie With Statistics" by Darrell Huff.

Never read it.

Colin 4 Free Bucks. Excellent Numbers.

So are you masturbation gurus?
Or
Mika

Hm, Kaiser told me they get 8000 unique webmaster hits a day
when I inquired about ad space...

You guys sure are getting a LOT more posts out of 800 hits a day ;-))

Timon

Mika,
webmastering gurus meet at
http://opranosearch.com/msgboard/

"Seek and ye shall find"
;-))
Serge

Timon,
one good thing about numbers -
they do not lie
;-))
Serge

Mike,

On this board we discuss masturbation, sex toys,
sports, movies, politics & religion...

Not much adult webmastering goes on here ;-))

Timon

Surprise - 17 posts
*********************
Is that for real???

Timon

I'm new here.
How about you gurus show me the way to the best converting TGP gallery

Thanks, Mika
Mika

Timon,
I masturbate with numbers,
and this si how I get off
;_))

yesterday's stats:

GFY - 894 posts
Oprano - 359 posts
pond - 47 posts
YNOT - 30 posts
Surprise - 17 posts

I think I'm gonna cum!
;-))
Serge

Serge, I don't dream about masturbation,
I DO it ;-))

Timon

Timon, it's OK, you can share your masturbation techniques with us!
;_))
Serge

I dream of what I did when I was 14
so sorry, can't tell ;-)
Timon