Nor do either the AVN shows or Fays shows really sponsor their own events at nite -- both of them depend on sponsored parties by outside companies as an additional draw to their moneymaking activities which include charging for both booth space and admission to sponsors and webmasters who may be attending.
While I don't necessarily agree with the manner in which some regional events are run, I think that having a public party that attempts to pull people away from the activities that paying sponsors have planned is tacky.
In the end, attendees will go where they like, and I'm sure as many don't attend nite time events for various reasons as do. Perhaps Forest should have scheduled a party as a late nite event after the planned events were finished and that would have alleviated alot of the problem here but it's his gig
As for the HUUUUUGE dogs comment Serge... I look at that list of sponsors and I see one very large dog, don't you?
KK In National Net we Trust:)
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:55:13 64.38.194.18 Post #: 5297
My only point on all this is, If I setup a smaller webmaster gathering in like portland, seattle, etc. Went to all the work getting it ready, had sponsors help out, etc. and then some people went and started parties and promoted it around that time, I might be a little pissed. nothing against forest or anyone else, but I can see both sides on this issue. sextoykingIn National Net we Trust:)
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:52:37 216.99.199.147 Post #: 5296
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:48:43 24.177.208.229 Post #: 5295
I can't speak for Mike, either...but having attended his parties, I've always seen them as very personal get-togethers of friends. Mike basically knows ever person in attendance.
I've never seen Mike post "anybody that wants a limo ride to my party, let me know..." in an attempt to get people there.
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:47:50 24.177.208.229 Post #: 5294
Shit! I try to get some work done for a few hours.. come back .. and now tons more posts..
Serge, I guess this board is a success.. congrats! Although I do like it when I can read through the posts within an hour.....
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:47:40 172.139.166.65 Post #: 5293
Hey everyone!
I have been on the road most of the last month so I haven't been around much, but I was skimming the boards and see this place is really hopping! Congrats Serge and MikeAI!
Let me put in my $.02 about the difference in the partys....it is simply "Invitation Only". All of MikeAI's parties have been by invitation only. There was no open door policy (ask Andy :-). Just like the Oculus/WEG party at the last show (very nicely done, as well). We all have private meetings/dinners/cocktails at all of the shows...but it's different when you try to bulk recruit the visitors away.
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:47:08 216.151.155.70 Post #: 5292
Oy, we're going to have to make splitting hairs a topic on the Torah discussion forum I can see.
Compare apples and apples not apples and cucumbers here.
The majority of the regional gatherings arent directly looking to make money from the event, otherwise they'd be charging admission to webmasters and all that nonsense.
Deciding to have a party because people are in town to do something else is pretty classless...
KK Tried and tested adult hosting!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:35:04 64.38.194.18 Post #: 5291
Serge,
well I don't have a top 10 for you now, but I will try to think of one.
My only guess could be, Cybernetexpo and Ia 2000 are much bigger then the great lakes party??
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:31:30 216.99.199.147 Post #: 5290
Serge,
I don't think Mikeai payed anything. I gotta say his Pool party in New Orleans, was a super duper fun get together, I truly loved it, and had a blast!! Talked with Pattyecake and John Morgan alot, and loved seeing KK in a happy state:)
sextoyking , Tried and tested adult hosting!!
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No shit!!!!!
and how come other event organisers didn't jump to cut his throat????
like they try doing to Forest?????
I'd sort of liken the situation to the same one you have here --- someone who participates, either financially or with contributions that make the reloads increase here get some leeway to spam their products.
Those that just jump on for the drive by postings to take advantage of your labors get the delete no?
KK
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KK,
you do not make publishing work easier
;-)))
I can't talk on Mike's behalf,
but I made personal decission:
when our sponsors start busting each other chops,
and I'm getting in the middle,
I have 2 choices:
1) pretend that I hear nothing, keep everybody happy lie some luney tunes and lose self respect
2) post what I think is right, get soem sponsors pissed, have them pull their ads and respect myself in the morning.
Guess what??????
DON'T HAVE TO LIVE OF THE BOARD PROCEEDS. THIS BOARD LIVED WITHOUT SPONSORS, AND WILL SURVIVE WITHOUT SPOSNORS.
This board will not survive if we lose self respect, therefore:
Love me, leave me,
I cherish integrity of this board above and beyond monetary compensations.
I don't think Mikeai payed anything. I gotta say his Pool party in New Orleans, was a super duper fun get together, I truly loved it, and had a blast!! Talked with Pattyecake and John Morgan alot, and loved seeing KK in a happy state:)
And without your and Sergie's posts it there would be NONE
at your board;-)))))))
Jeez are you guys GOING WAY LOW on the scale of SCUM
promoting.....What is your piece webdad? Serge promise you
a free banner? ;-))) Should not you be checking stats instead
of comparing board stats;-))) Give it a rest. If YOU provide information
they will come ie: http://www.webmastercuntfessions.com
Anyway..send me ALL your traffic and I will give you %10 MORE than
anybody currently paying you UPFRONT! Or don't you know how to
do BIZ?????
lilc..congrads and will see you the first week in August.....
joee, The Newest AVS:=))Conversions are serious!
Mon Jul 23 15:12:37 2001 - 12.27.150.246 - message #153311
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JoeE....as usual you only want the traffic AFTER I have sold it. What's with that?? Same crap everytime. You only want it when you can't have it. JeeeZ! ;-))))
As for the other parts.....I will let Serge answer. But it looks like it was just an opportunity for YOU to pick the Netpond carcus apart to spam your own board.
Sorry I changed your name to cuntfessions above......but did not want to spam for you. :-)))))
DJ, also a good point, When AWE first came around, I was thinking, they don't want sponsors to come unless they help sponsor, Thought it was bs at first, then thought about it, and it wasn't that bad of an idea. As voice media does put out alot, etc. So webinc.com ended up sponsoring the events each show. Of course being so busy, out of all the shows, Portland will be the only one we make it too:)) Dig good point also.. My take is, if it's a show like ia2000 or so,shit everyone can have there own party, but mabey a smaller show, it might be better not too look like someone is stepping on the toes of all the ppl who worked so hard to put it together..
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:08:49 216.99.199.147 Post #: 5282
i'm with serge. i went back and i don't see anything Forest said wrong. He's going to the Great Lakes
event that's all he said. Maybe people are upset because it followed
a post about his teaming up with Interclimax on some things and they think that he's going to exploit the
event.
Are only webmasters who have no services or products of their own to sell invited to the event? Why not be clear about it then?
Forest, you ain't going to win this one. Have Claudia write them out a check and then everybody will be happy.
mutt Ready Set GO!!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:05:46 24.112.37.86 Post #: 5281
yeah I see the point if the party coincides with an event party, it may be judicious of forest to schedule his thing when there's nothing else going on at the show but I'll tell you this: I attended MANY meetings in vegas that weren't on the official schedule ;)
Greatlakes show is the 27-29
I will be there with a limo for Any webmaster who needs a lift to the show or to the club or to our party....We will give u a phone # to call to schedule your pick up.
We will have party info for all on Thurs.
I will see everyone there!
Forest , Party in windsor with Forest of Interclimax
Perhaps because of the excitement involved, and/or the newness of the joint venture, delaying the actual details of the 'party' until Thursday were to allow co-ordination with the Event Hosts?
I dunno... just giving the benifit of the doubt...
fatbaby Asian Amazons
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:04:03 24.183.96.41 Post #: 5279
As far as I could see all that Forest was offering was free taxi service to an event that he is also planning to attend for anyone who wants it georgeAsian Amazons
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:03:30 24.26.91.7 Post #: 5278
always the minyan Serge...
Perhaps we should start a weekly Torah study forum ;)
I'd sort of liken the situation to the same one you have here --- someone who participates, either financially or with contributions that make the reloads increase here get some leeway to spam their products.
Those that just jump on for the drive by postings to take advantage of your labors get the delete no?
KK Got Checks???
Mon, 23 Jul - 16:02:19 64.38.194.18 Post #: 5277
Hi Everyone,
I'm back from a little R & R..... will take a day or so to get caught up on emails, etc. Hope I didn't miss TOO much! ;-)
bpj Got Checks???
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:59:43 12.5.154.142 Post #: 5276
Dig, I agree to a point. I always thought it was asinine that the AWE events tried to not have sponsors show up that were not sponsoring the event. I attended the L.A. one and had no problems, but I was not about about to attempt to circumvent the sponsors of the event. Attending the event and talking to webmasters is one thing. Trying to direct them to parties that are not in line with the event planners is rude and pretty damn seedy.
I think Jimmy was referring to the post were Forrest aludes to offering some sort of party to coincide with this pre-planned event. A simple contact of Circes or SusieS would have saved the whole mess rather than trying to plan something on the side to take advantage of their hardwork in gathering sponsors and webmasters.
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:56:34 209.176.118.51 Post #: 5272
great, we now have 4! webmasters talking what the 5th one did wrong without giving ANYBODY a clue what he has done.
I think we need at leat 6 more for the minyan!
Serge Ready Set GO!!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:56:22 12.89.182.199 Post #: 5271
guys, cab ANYBODY post what exactly did Forest say wrong??????
Serge Ready Set GO!!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:54:18 12.89.182.199 Post #: 5270
DJ, seems to me that webmaster conventions are places to do business, that's what they're for... it's not out of line for me to say that I'm going to get with any webmaster at the show who wants to discuss business with me, if I were actually going to attend the event.
what is in bad judgement if not bad taste is party organizers thinking that they can control who meets who and who talks about what at their events. Personally I don't care, I'd rather have people over to the house than meet them in Vegas but that's my .02
I am in total agreement with Diamond Jim, the work that Circes and her staff have done for this show is incredible. Sponsorships were available for a very resonable price and for someone to come in and try to captilize on it at the last minute is indeed bad taste.
Perhaps they just had not thought it through properly, now that it has been pointed out they will correct things.
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:52:50 208.202.106.139 Post #: 5268
Jimmyslits,
can you tell me EXACTLY what Forest posted wrong?
I usually spot impropraeties, I haven't seen anything.
I do not imply it wasn't there, but I'd appreciate the EXACT cut and paste quotation
Serge lets all work together....
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:52:19 12.89.182.199 Post #: 5267
I'm going to agree with jim on this also.
doesnt look good to have to steal webmasters, a good proggy speaks for itself.
im sure little c and interclimax and the ones behind this gathering(great lakes webmasters) can work this out....its not rocket science:)
dantheman lets all work together....
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:50:25 208.220.30.72 Post #: 5266
Maybe you guys can chip in for Forest instead of patting him on the back for compromising the weeks of hard work these ladies have put into this event. Jimmyslitslets all work together....
Mon, 23 Jul - 15:45:18 216.221.66.59 Post #: 5265
It's a free country (for the time being), so people are free to do as they wish, but...
I think it shows incredibly bad taste to take advantage of the work put in by individuals arranging an event like this. Whoever is organizing it has no doubt put in time and effort to secure venues and arrange entertainment, as well as advertise and publicize the event. It's pretty seedy to swoop in and attempt to steal webmasters away to a function that is NOT associated with the sponsorship of the event.
Interclimax sounds like they are planning an interesting get-together in Amsterdam. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate similar treatment...
After being advised of some posts on this board by Forest, I'm compelled to make a clarification.
Neither Forest or Interclimax is a sponsor of the 3rd Annual Great Lakes Webmaster Conference. We have a wonderful list of sponsors who have funded this event which includes:
Oculus
Pornication
ARS
Python Video
Exclusive Media Group
UltraPartners
UltraCash
Private Label Resources
SinFactory
Adult Income/Content News
Adult Cash Flow
Safe Sex Mall
SinEmpire
ZipContent
Cozy Frog
Seductive Studios
Tight Pictures
D/s Enterprises
JMB Webwurks
I am at a loss as to what else to say simply because the post that Forest made is in such poor taste.
Forest, if you or Interclimax would like to become a sponsor of the conference, I'm sure we could work something out. It would be preferable instead of you attempting to use our conference for your own benefit without sponsoring the event". Circes3rd Annual Great Lakes Webmasters Conference
Mon, 23 Jul - 14:56:05 216.90.51.68 Post #: 5253
Serge
We were pissing?? LOL And here I was thinking we were chatting :)
Nope I don't piss.. well most of the time anyway My time is better spent building I believe! :)
Serge
Well I'll say this.. I certainly have nothing to gain from newbies with tunnel vision. Absolutely nothing.
I myself found Voltar's newbie board about a year and a half ago. Yes, I was one of the newbies, and I don't think that I have tunnel vision. :)
The newbies know that they are other boards out there.. I myself have encouraged them to venture out and network and learn. It's important that they do that.
Voltar has his posting guidelines.. we all have to follow them when posting there. He's *always* had a *very* strict no spam policy, that's nothing new, so it's no big surprise.
We have newbies there that are still struggling to learn basic html, some have no idea how to make a console.. etc.. We teach them the basics so that they will have at least a fighting chance to make it with hard work. And like you posted, we encourage them to try new things and to think for themselves. I couldn't agree with that more.
And certainly, I for one would never want to "clip anyone's wings" :)
.. I personally signed up as an affiliate with them yesterday from a link that I found on this board! :)
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LadyB,
so, back to basics.
You, the Vice President of Voltar's Board find information on this board usefull,
advantageous,
(I know you didn't come here just to sign up for CamsCash proggy ;-)
and at the same time do your best to prevent and discourage other board memebers from visiting us.
LadyB,
I am sure that they appreciate your business,
but we have bigger issue at stake....
"Newbies are like men and floors,
lay them right the first time and you can walk all over them for 50 years"
YOU might benefit from "newbs with tunnel vission",
I can't, I need FREE THINKERS to benefit from.
I'll do my best to free people minds
and expand their horizons.
When I was living in communist Russia-
BBC, Voice of America, Radio Free Europe
did it for my brains,
I feel like I have a debt to pay back to society and I do just that.
Jack,
the saying goes
"Fish gets rotten head first"
Voltar was a "Little Fuhrer"
for way too long,
I'd clean his head faster, but I leave tomorrow,
I'll continue his brain tune up when I get back
;-))
he is a good guy, he just needs his pipes and engine fine tuned
;-)))
Serge cell phones=ca$h
Mon, 23 Jul - 14:23:49 12.89.182.199 Post #: 5243
Afternoon everyone :)
Serge
You don't have to jump through hoops sweetie.. it's just different from the way that you do things, but that's doesn't make it wrong :)
And on a lighter note.. that very post that I pulled.. I personally signed up as an affiliate with them yesterday from a link that I found on this board! :)
unfucking real,the hoops I have to jump thru to geth the message to newbs across
;-))
Serge Something Big Coming Tomorrow
Mon, 23 Jul - 13:52:27 12.89.183.125 Post #: 5238
Toolz,
sending you icq now. Yeppers, it has been a very busy summer to say the least my friend, 2 More designers coming in Sept. For now, we are doing the best we can, People love our work, I just wish we could take care of everyone in 1 day:(
Mon, 23 Jul - 13:11:47 213.239.140.216 Post #: 5229
Forest and LittleC,
Big congrats on the news, I am sure you will all do great!!! Hope this Amsterdam party comes alive, would love to go there!! I leave in 2 weeks, back to europe, but sadly no amsterdam:) but I do get to goto Greece for 1 week and Suba Dive:)
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:59:47 64.171.146.244 Post #: 5224
Serge - I like the idea of going to amsterdam to talk about thailand!
Edd
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I know....when I was married,
I liked to talk with my g/f about my wife,
and talk with my wife about my g/f....
I liked it so much that both of them kicked my ass out and now I can only talk on the boards about ALL of THEM!
;-)))
Serge ssshhhh...it's a SECRET no more!!!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:55:15 12.89.183.201 Post #: 5223
What other boards ? I thought this was the only one.
Serge I would like you to Host a Q and A for us at your convience (after I get home and rested though)
like the exceptional one you had with Profit P.
LMK
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Forest, I think it's a BEST WAY
to tell folks about the proggy and answer their tough questions and have it saved at oprano at
http://www.oprano.com/continue.html
as a Permanent Record
and we Encourage our sposnors to speak up,
INFORMATION - works, SPAM doesn't!
I know that MikeAI is scheduled to grill JIm for
http://pornmegabucks.com in my abscence,
the time slot annauncement is coming soon,
and he can get you and Claudia "grilled" as well
;-))
if there is a flaw- MikeAI and me are good at finding them and trouble shooting
;_)))
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:31:01 213.239.140.219 Post #: 5219
Red...that has happened to me...
this is just a guess (trying to recall what i did)
1) try hitting 'control+tab'
2) try hitting 'control+alt+tab'
3) try hitting 'insert'
(if insert doesn't do it, hit it again to go back to where it was)
Greatlakes show is the 27-29
I will be there with a limo for Any webmaster who needs a lift to the show or to the club or to our party....We will give u a phone # to call to schedule your pick up.
We will have party info for all on Thurs.
I will see everyone there!
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:21:23 213.239.140.221 Post #: 5216
Congrats Forest and Little C. It looks like some exciting things are in the works.
My keyboard has become possessed. I've always hit tab to move from one field to another when filling in forms, now when I hit tab it minimizes the window I'm working in. Anybody know how I can exorcise these demons? RedEroticopy, when you care enough to use the very best
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:20:38 64.171.146.244 Post #: 5215
Thanx for the congrats Serge and everone else...
We have some amazing marketing plans coming up that are quite Interactive for the members.
Serge I would like you to Host a Q and A for us at your convience (after I get home and rested though)
like the exceptional one you had with Profit P.
LMK
See you all back in America...=(
wish I could stay here!!!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:14:54 213.239.140.221 Post #: 5213
Hey Mikefold
Give me a call on wed or thurs this week would like to talk some ideas with you if you have time.
216-362-1789 Forestohio webmasters ROCK!
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:08:25 213.239.140.221 Post #: 5212
congrats to little c and forrest:)
sounds like its a great union, and sounds like i know where my winter vacation might be spent:))
It's like with your fave car - it needs oil it needs washing - it needs attention otherwise it will break down...
We will always keep improving ourselves and learn from our mistakes..
More billing options for our customers...We will offer in a few Months a chargeback free billing system for webmasters to put on their websites...hihihi..sshhhtt...secret
more interactive games between models & customers
and more options & tools for qwebmasters.
Webmasters are able to promote our products with their own brand name
pay per sign-up? YES
pay reccuring? YES
pay other ways - YES SOON!!!
Mon, 23 Jul - 12:05:01 213.239.140.219 Post #: 5210
CONGRATS Forest and LittleC on your merger! Sounds like things are going to get VERY interesting! ;)
George - I don't want to bring any with me - I just want a bed filled with asian beauties all to myself! ;) is that too much to ask for? What's a man got to do... Sheesh! ;)