After Allen left Vivid
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Mutt, you sure it was Allen and not Alien?
;-))
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"Beyond being a deal maker, Hirsch has excelled at marketing. After Allen left Vivid, Hirsch developed a lineup of "Vivid Girls," each presented in the same way Ginger was packaged. "He wanted to create this star system, like old Hollywood," says Ciulla, his lifelong friend. But Allen's heirs don't receive the same generous compensation she did. By signing with Vivid today, an actress makes less than the industry average of about $80,000 a year--and some Vivid Girls make as little as $39,000 a year. But a Vivid actress typically does gain an easier shooting schedule and a longer career. If she's also a strip club dancer, her value on the club circuit goes up because of her association with the Vivid promotional machine. "The girls don't have to worry about anything," says James, Vivid co-founder. "We handle their careers and treat them like stars."

Hirsch's system, however, imposes controls that would have other workplaces in revolt. After Hirsch handpicks each actress, the company dictates the cut of their clothing and the size of their breasts and negotiates the frequency and types of sex acts they perform, according to a typical Vivid contract obtained by The Times.

Vivid Girls also surrender control over their screen names and the scenes they shoot--something a mainstream actor would never relinquish. Once Vivid shoots a scene, it has absolute control over its use, which can be staggering given the various ways pornography is available. "We recycle a movie 10 or 25 different ways," James says. A single scene can be spliced into various video store movies, sold over the Internet and cable and marketed as still photos.

Vivid Girls, however, are not included in that continuing revenue stream. The company no longer pays royalties because it "became too complex," James says. For instance, Vivid Girl Dyanna Lauren received several thousand dollars for her co-star appearance in the 1997 film "Bad Wives." Internal documents show Vivid sold 54,639 DVD copies that, at the suggested retail price of $49.99 each, would mean sales of $2.73 million. That doesn't count VHS tape, sales through cable pay-per-view channels and orders on Vivid's own video-on-demand service. Had Lauren been under a conventional Screen Actors Guild contract, she would have received an estimated $45,000 to $261,000 extra from the DVD sales alone. Vivid's contract wouldn't survive in the real world, say 12 labor experts contacted by The Times. "If you dropped this document on any agent or lawyer's desk in this town, they'd laugh and throw it away," says John Laviolette, an entertainment lawyer who represents numerous Hollywood producers. "It's practically slavery."

Actresses haven't challenged the contracts they are grateful to get, although some say being a Vivid Girl isn't what it used to be. "You couldn't get me to be a Vivid Girl again if you pointed a gun at my head," says a Vivid contract player from the mid-1990s. "They want too much. They get everything.""
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mutt

OK so what's the consensus on Ibill lately?

More fucking problems with the "replicator" updating the CMI yet rebills continue to fall thru the black hole and I get the same lip service everytime I call customer support. I can't even come close to managing them anymore with their fucked up system. Is this a technical issue (which has been ongoing since about October) or is IBill seriously fucked????
Shawn

I can't believe that!! - Those vivid girls make 39k i thought that was a joke and it was supposed to say per month
that is preposterous!!

I guess its the theory of supply and demand..and dispensibility

Jenna is in a league of her own though i think - and i certainly wouldn't mind looking like her..
Blondie its all happening hither:)

Mark hold that thought :)

Duane don't brag.... you only do 1:53 with us ;)) hahha
RRRED Wegcash / Join4free

btw, Mark, was nice meeting you at the Gameworks party.
--------------------------------
Ulfie, same here

maybe we can actually sit and chat a bit at the next show

;-))

Mark $30ps keep your exit traffic !!

Grimm, if your still up can ya ring me please.


RichC

Vick: "LESS FILLING!"

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the little Bush rug is starting to leak some crumbs out of the sides...

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/cindy.htm

Okay, now, it is the NY Post, but still...

Alex
RawAlex LINK 2X - Another fine link site

Looking to buy Mardi Gras, public nudity, flasher content, public drunkeness...esp video (mini dvd, 8mm, dv). Launching drunkdollars.com in 6 weeks...NEED CONTENT WILL BUY! Email or icq me: 70854769 aka Megatron
duane Celebdollars 1 in 50

I never talk about religion whilst drinking - forbid ever thinking of comparing religion to drinking...
I'll go back to the shoots

Kitty (you can stick your golden tongues...)

"Maybe we can say "religeon is WORSE than beer..." "
while that is certainly true I tend to think of Beer as a good thing, so keeping beer in the positive light it so richly deserves (and as a man who has imbibed fine Canadian brews I think you can agree)
I say "Beer is better than religion"


Vick Raw Alex and I agree to disagree just so we can debate the finer points

Weather is supposed to be nice on sunday, high of 35 so it shouldn't be a factor. (I know, I know, southern folk are laughing that I call that "nice" weather") Bottom line, this will be the hardest hitting game of the season in the NFL this year. Both offenses hit just as hard as the D does. ;)

btw, Mark, was nice meeting you at the Gameworks party.


Ulfie

Serge, yeah, I am getting along in years... those Japanese girls take it all out of me! :-)

Vick: Maybe we can say "religeon is WORSE than beer..."

Alex
RawAlex LINK 2X - Another fine link site

Ulfie - No injuries were a big key for the Ravens last year
Really think it will be an ugly physical game, especially if the weather is bad
Also think the winner of this game is Super Bowl bound, New England has a good team
One of the keys for both teams is how well Duane Starks plays, if Burris and Ward can get deep behind him and Stewart hits them it doesn't bode well for the Ravens, if Starks plays well like last week and can pick a interception game goes the Ravens way


Mark - we can promote away ;-)
Extreme Green V.3 $50PS or $30Ps and Exit Traffic Back! You Choose!



Vick Still bleed Raven's Purple

Vick, please don't apologize ;-))

Feel free to promote Extreme Green any time you get the urge ..

BTW, I know what you meant, I just couldn't resist

;-))
Mark Endorsed by Mark ..... cuz he knows PURPLE baby !!!

Vick, it should be a good one! I can't wait. The amazing thing about the Steelers is they don't have a single player on the injured list at this point in the season.

Since there is no pickem this week here are mine:

NE beats Oakland
Pittsburgh beats Baltimore
Rams beat GB
Bears beat Philly


Ulfie

Sorry Mark ;-) he he
Didn't mean to refer to Extreme green but to Green as it Ca$h like Cloud 9 Ca$h
Vick Ok this is the Extreme Green program is but I still bleed Raven's Purple and Mark changed his name

This program is green but I bleed Raven's Purple
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Vick thanks for the plug, but you got the URL all wrong

;-)))

MarkEG Endorsed by Vick ..... cuz he knows GREEN baby !!!

Ulfie, we are supposed to get 4-8 inches of snow here tomorrow
Was just on the news the Raven's team bus will leave an hour early to help avoid snow
Looking forward to a great game
Has been a great season again for the Ravens
Making the playoffs without Michael McCreary and Jamal Lewis is a major accomplishment
Plus Sam Adams and Rob Brunette missing time this year
Defense looked good last week against Miami - Offense went back to what won last year, just do enough to win and don't make mistakes

Vick This program is green but I bleed Raven's Purple

RichC...whats up?
grimm

Hey Vick,
There's a snow storm on the way for tomorrow. Any chance the Ravens may just stay home? ;))


Ulfie

ZZZzzz...

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

hahah Count FrouFrou, that used to be an inside joke amongst myself and my friends when we wanted to bullshit our ways through a conversation..we'd claim it meant something really heavy in Chinese/French...hehehe
I'm sure confucy's ass is almost as pale as mine ;))


++++++++++++++++++
Problem is that there is a new 'Jenna' getting off the bus from Kansas every hour on the hour in Los Angeles.
++++++++++++++++++
Mutt, I'm in LA on business at the moment, could you please tell me which corner this particular bus stops on? :)))

woohoo, almost done with this meeting, then can booty call Timbo and Dig420 ;))))

SykkBoy click or die biatch

Cleo, I will do you, if you want, no string attached, unless its yours
************
Meni
When sex is involved there are always strings...

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

Yup, and I think I would have left some black chips on the table by accident...but for Serge reminding me to take them too on the way out. :) ty for that. :)
RichC
******************

any time, and as accountants say:
"Many happy returns"!
;-)))
Serge

Yup, and I think I would have left some black chips on the table by accident...but for Serge reminding me to take them too on the way out. :) ty for that. :)
RichC

He invented the Adult Internet
AND MikeAI AND counters AND click through proggies AND .........
**********************************

ahhhh...if he only invented Meni....
but who knows,
maybe Meni is his invention too!
Serge

Alex - ok I can see a few of your points, mostly number 5 - Not sure, but I think if you bring American beer to Canada, it could happen.


Can we agree that beer is better than religion? Except maybe Kama Sutra
http://www.animatedkamasutra.com/


Vick Beer leeds to sex, how else do ugly people get laid

I only saw ya once in Vegas Serge, but man...you sure brought me good luck on the table that late night. :)

RichC
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yeap, $1200 in 6 hands in front of my very own eyes
;-))

and do you know what impressed me the most?

how you quit while you were ahead
;-)

very rare treat nowadays
;-))
Serge

Jenna has made a name for herself, and now with a veteran webmaster helping her our, she is sure to be a star forever!
***************************

I have no doubts about that!

Every year towards the end,
there are International Star Registry commercials on the radio, and for a few bucks everybody can buy a name for a remote star only known by the number.

I'm sure there is a star named Jenna,
if Meni did his job properly, of course
;_)))
Serge

I was hiding:
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I only saw ya once in Vegas Serge, but man...you sure brought me good luck on the table that late night. :)

RichC

Ron? FM u mean?

oh no......nobody is bigger than him. He invented the Adult Internet
AND MikeAI AND counters AND click through proggies AND .........
mutt

I'm old enough to know that a limp noodle is a limp noodle
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Alex, you looked so good in Vegas,
I'd never tell you are one of us!
;_)))
Serge

Smart guy obviously.
**************************8

smarter than kiko????

I find it hard to believe too!


Serge

Serge, I'm old enough to know that a limp noodle is a limp noodle - and the older you get... well, you know what can happen!

Meni: Yup, if your twink buddy takes enough E, he will forget everything he did, which might be a good thing!

Stars: Most girls in the industry fail to understand is the fact that they are mostly replaceable. Unless the get to "name" status, they are pretty much lost in the sands of time. Jenna has made a name for herself, and now with a veteran webmaster helping her our, she is sure to be a star forever!

Alex
RawAlex LINK 2X

Steve Hirsch is a 42 year old guy who is the biggest player in video porn industry.
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Bigger than Ron?

this is impossible!
Serge

don't think so Serge. Steve Hirsch is a 42 year old guy who is the biggest player in video porn industry. His father was a big porn distributor in the MidWest, Mafia ties as usual. Hirsch started Vivid Video, patterned itself after the old Hollywood Studio star system where actors and actresses were 'contract' stars. He makes the kind of porn that you see on Pay Per View, hotels, cable etc. Smart guy obviously.
mutt

Hirsch ....why does his name sound familiar?

was that the guy who sold AVN the show?
Serge

yup the article does mention that being a Vivid Girl can make them more money on the strip circuit and other things. That's what Hirsch tries to sell them on i'm sure. But he's still ripping them off bigtime.
Problem is that there is a new 'Jenna' getting off the bus from Kansas every hour on the hour in Los Angeles. So if the chicks were ever unionize or form an association they'd tell them to fuck themeselves and bring in the next crop.
mutt

yes I'm a vet
mostly canine
Meni
***************

can you do goats too!?
Serge

yes I'm a vet
mostly canine
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

she's 42. Pretty but not hot. she's not really retarded but she was a preemie baby, weighed less than 2 pounds, so the incubator oxygen thing did affect her brain. But like you meni 'She does pretty good for an idiot!'.


mutt

mutt, the girls should feature dance and bring in more $$$$$
thats too bad, I heard about the article but didn't read it
I tell girls, why do porn? dance in a club, a good club and make good money, why fuck guys on film that lasts forever for $800 a scene?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

http://www.jennacash.com/aboutus.html

Spearheading the JennaCash affiliate program is veteran webmaster Meni Troupakis. His industry experience will help webmasters maximize the benefits of JennaCash.
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Meni,
I didn't know you were a vet
Serge

Meni

it was an LA Times feature story last Sunday or the Sunday before that on Steve Hirsch and Ginger Lynn Allen. Best reporting i've ever seen on the video porn biz.

The 39,000 yearly salary was the standard Vivid Girl contract.
Slave labor. Especially when you read how many ways Vivid will make money from each scene the girl shoots. Not illegal, smart business but it's still pretty shitty.


mutt

Serge, how did I miss you in Vegas, I even asked someone if you were around.
Meni
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Meni,
I was hiding:

http://oprano.com/reporter/
Serge

A Vivid Girl, which is supposedly the top of the heap in the porn biz, makes 39,000 dollars per year.
********************************

is there market for used implants?

do antics implants worth more than new ones?

is there any premium for celebrety signed implants?
Serge

mutt is your sister hot?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Serge, how did I miss you in Vegas, I even asked someone if you were around.
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

JJ is very smart mutt, trust me.
What vivid girl makes $39K a year?

Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Serge
<< wait 'till you see ADULT webmasters with those signs >>

LOL....will this be the future for the adult web? Naaah, only those that don't use CashQuest 2 as a sponsor. *grin*

me :o)
GiGi CashQuest 2 - stick with us and you won't have to code html for food. ;o)

well let's hope JJ is smarter than all the other pornstars who came before her and keeps some money and some of her looks.

Porn girls should unionize. Did u see the article i posted here last week? A Vivid Girl, which is supposedly the top of the heap in the porn biz, makes 39,000 dollars per year. How fucking sad. My sister is borderline retarded and shuffles papers in some office and she makes more than 39,000 a year.


mutt

I think she would fix bad implants, moron.
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you THINK???????

really?

I didn't know you were capable....
Serge

"Nothing worse then some man drunk on beer with a limp noddle who wants to have sex."
Ain't that for sure
When I need hard cock in my ass and the twink is drunk, I say,
"you shoulda done E instead of drinking"
Cleo, I will do you, if you want, no string attached, unless its yours
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

The sober guy with the limp dick isn't likely to vomit on the chick.
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hmmmm.....the best vomit induced by alchohol I recall was when I vomitted from the balcony of 12th floor down...
I don't know how many chicks were in the crowd below
;-)))
Serge

She's twisting
I think she would fix bad implants, moron.
You are clueless
Go back to the Stoli bottle
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Is this something that you speak from experience?

Cleo
****************

Cleo, I was impotent for the last 4 years,
you should have seen my resume!

Ron Jeremy doesn't think I'll ever steal his job
;-(((
Serge

Meni,
the implant on her left tit
http://www.jennacash.com/main.html
is in disrepair and makes her tit look square
;-((

do you see what I see?
Serge

not really Serge. The sober guy with the limp dick isn't likely to vomit on the chick.

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mutt

some SOBER man with a limp noddle who wants to have sex
is WORSE
***********
Serge
Not for the woman. Is this something that you speak from experience?

Cleo (to know me is to love me...) 1324

hi, GiGi!
;-))

wait 'till you see ADULT webmasters with those signs
;-)))


Serge

http://www.clubjenna.com
Thats her Serge

who is kiko
i run pornnewsdaily.com
is it a dog?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Hiya Oprano :o)

Saw this today and just couldn't stop myself from posting it here at Oprano...hehe

Old Webmasters Never Die:

http://www.poddys.com/jokes/cart_203.htm

Must have worked for a dotflop company eh? *grin*

me :o)
GiGi CashQuest 2

Nothing worse then some man drunk on beer with a limp noddle who wants to have sex.

Cleo
*******************

bullshit!

some SOBER man with a limp noddle who wants to have sex
is WORSE
;-))


s
Serge

Nothing worse then some man drunk on beer with a limp noddle who wants to have sex.

Cleo (to know me is to love me...)

9 - Beer does tell you how to have sex - have enough of it, and you can't at all!
************************

Alex, how old are you?
;-)))
Serge

Vick, you had this: Top 10 Reasons Beer is Better than Religion

I think some of those points are debatable:

10 - Okay, but I have seen drunks get really mad if they don't get another one.

9 - Beer does tell you how to have sex - have enough of it, and you can't at all!

8 - I am sure some drunk people have chosen to go to war.

7 - Beer advertising, that isn't force? Geez.

6 - Actually, in Nevada, they give beer away on the radio. Freaky.

5 - Not sure, but I think if you bring American beer to Canada, it could happen.

4 - in some bars, it seems to take 2000 years.

3 - "Tabacco is not addictive"... remember that TRUTH? Yup.

2 - unless you have no money - then you can only dream about beer.

1 - Yeah, it's called people dropping money in the empty cup you have in front of you while you are sleeping on the city streets... :-)

heh-heh....

Alex
RawAlex LINK 2X - Another fine link site

Kitty,
we are about to launch the trade union for porn stars,
what do you think of the idea?

Membership dues will be kept to the minimum the first month
Serge

hmmm..I think I can even see Meni in the picture...
http://www.analpassions.com/images/tour1-2x2.jpg

Meni,
what the hell?

you are also THE TOP OF YOUR FIELD!
right field, that is
;-))
Serge

meni, she's got stretch marks around her mouth:)


grimm

Hey, SykkBoy! Just because some dingaling calls him/herself 'Confucy' does NOT mean he/she is Chinese, man! Don't know what the French slang is for "she who has a penis but is not quite a transsexual" but it sure ain't in Chinese! :o)

Toolz - Go easy on the poor ole Dork, will ya? Hehe! Actually, on second thought, go nutz! Btw, you staying with us when you're in TO or what? ;o)


Count FrouFrou No Mickey Mose toys here!

http://www.analpassions.com/images/tour1-2x2.jpg

Meni,
is that her also?

after a while all of 'em look alike...
;-))
Serge

no, kiko is #1!
and I am unanimous in that!
*********

Hell yeah !! I agree
Kitty (you can stick your golden tongues...) Dirty Dollar -Over 100 Niche Sites to Promote

she is at the top of her field
how many of you geniuses can say that?

Serge
You may have been the greatest shaver ever.
*****************************

Meni, didn't you idiot just put me on TOP of MY field????
;-)))

Serge

gee who's big pic of?
**************************

I am not very good at recognizing photoshopped images
;-(((

one girl looks like grandma, though...is that her?
Serge

Serge
You may have been the greatest shaver ever.
So there ya go
There are no pics of JJ Serge.
Nope, none.
check
Lens' new site
www.pornstarlust.com
gee who's big pic of?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

how many of you geniuses can say that?
********************

I don't think anybody here works the fields....
you got us all there, Meni........
Serge

she is at the top of her field
how many of you geniuses can say that?
*********************

and what exactly is her field?

I didn't know she was a farmer....
Serge

JJ is #1 pornstar... In an industry based on looks shelf-life is very fleeting.
***********************

Toolz,
I'm sure I'll see her picture one day and be able to decide the number,
but based upon Meni,
I have hard time to believe she is in top 100
;-))

Serge

Toolz, i'm not going to talk about this
JJ is number female star ever
shelf life is fleeting?
and?
she is at the top of her field
how many of you geniuses can say that?

Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Martin
Thanks, I always like to know who is sending me money. I think I'll go buy a new Vette now.

Cleo (to know me is to love me...) FeMmE FaTaLe

Last I checked Serge was looking damn good. Not quite what I'm interested in but all the same his ass didn't look all that fat to me.

JJ is #1 pornstar... In an industry based on looks shelf-life is very fleeting.


Toolz ARS

Serge,

I can't help myself...I'm cursed with size 13's. ; (
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

she's still number 1
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no, kiko is #1!
and I am unanimous in that!
Serge

Meni,
why are you so upset darling?

because of this?????

http://www.oprano.com/caption.html

c'mon,
be a good sport!
;-))
Serge

Serge, she's 27
so fuck off you ugly fuck
I'm sick of loser fat asses bitching about JJ
she's still number 1
so suck it
next?
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Why not send me an email and I'll make sure you're on our list...
********************************

JMScore,
when you stop stepping on the toes of your competitors,
they gonna leave your alone
;-))

take the anon as a sign Jettis does something right!
;-))
Serge

That would be Fat Pockets Cleo ;)
Martin Sarcastic-Bastards.Com

shit!,

As Toolz pointed out, two communications were sent in regard to todays upgrade. We are about an hour from bringing all systems back online. And, not to mention, no sales have been lost during this time. : )

Why not send me an email and I'll make sure you're on our list...

Toolz, thanks for the props.; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

I hate asking dumb questions, but who is DJ Productions?

Cleo (to know me is to love me...) FeMmE FaTaLe

Snoops, I think confucy is chinese/french slang word for "she who has a penis but is not quite a transsexual" hehehe

Toolz, no doubt Marc is a recluse...can ya believe that to this day, I've never met Marc?

I think I have enough ARS points for a stick of gum and a can of silly string, I better get to sending more traffic since now I can just head across town to pick up the goodies ;)

...and Blondie, remember who helped you to avoid falling off the top of the limo in Vegas (besides Timbo) ;)
if you need citizenship, let me know...I'm sure my wife will understand ;)))


SykkBoy click or die biatch

Sure, not sure but think I borrowed it from Serge
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nope, it's Nick's!
;-)))
Serge

Snoops "mind if I borrow that from time to time?"

Sure, not sure but think I borrowed it from Serge


Vick Have sex and travel

Snoops, "have sex and travel" is copyrighted by Nick@ILynx
you gotta ask him
;-0))
Serge

LOL thanx vick - hugs to you and katie...

btw, loved the "have sex and travel" ROFL - mind if I borrow that from time to time? <eg>

LOL
Snoops (Ð) Content feeds for your paysite :o)

Edd - have a good one Congrats on winning ;-)

Vick Edd is having a few Guiness with his winning from Oprano pick 'em ;-)

Serge, thanx for the help launching and the plugs :o)
**************************8

any time, darling!
Serge

JJ started there at 17.
*****************************

in the 80's?
Serge

Hey Snoops ;-) Hope all is well, congrat on your proggy!


Cleo - can I use esspreso grinds?
can I have Ouzo and esspreso too?
High Voltage! ;-)






Vick "Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy" - Ben Franklin