I aint apologizing for nuthin

Some Yankee-masquerading-as-a-redneck you are -- anybody with REAL Dixie blood would know it's spelled T'AIN'T ;-}

Melody Why am I awake at this hour? Because rust never sleeps.

What in tarnation goes on in this here place?
Howdy yall my name is Zeke and I am a born and inbred son of the South.
This shit is out of hand. All that daygo lawyer said as fer as I can sees is that his Jew client dont appeciate having Jew food thrown at his nekkid ass. Excuse me? Aint this America? I guess not no more. It's a
sad day round these parts when you caint call an Eyetalian a greaseball spaghetti bender or a Jewish feller a money stealin Christ killer without somebody gettin in yer face.
Yer daddies and grandpappies fought in them two World Wars for yer right to call a spade a spade, a kike a kike and a wop a wop. Did you know that? What kinda other commie things they teachin yer kids up there in the North? I can burn the god damn American flag, wipe my dirty ass with it but I caint call the Jew a kike? Is that what's going on here nowdays?

I jus about gives up all hope for this great country. I aint apologizing for nuthin.


Zeke McCoy Giving away 75k car @ Internext 2002=)

G'Morning!

Mike... thanks for the kind words, looking forward to seeing you in NY soon =)

I'm still waiting for our great programmers/designers to place in a script for voting of the next vehicle...

SexCounter Stripper Patrol will be taking over the convention floor in Las Vegas this January =)


Tukhman Giving away 75k car @ Internext 2002=)

My god, the board broke out in attorneys! 8)

Danielle, I know what you mean -- Helmy's, too. Nice to see a little life in the numbers during the dog days of summer, hm?


Melody Why am I awake at this hour? Because rust never sleeps.

Hello,

My name is Vincent Esposito. I am the national chairperson of the Italo American Benevolent Society.
I join Mr. Corliss and Mr. Farber in
their condemnation of Mr. Paul Cambria's statements.

Mr. Cambria is a well known Italian American attorney. He is not an unintelligent man. I speak on behalf of all Italian Americans and when I say that all Italian Americans know that 'deli meats' are not part of any Jewish conspiracy you can believe me. We are proud of our own heritage and prosciutto, salamis, mortadella, pepperonis, these 'deli meats' have been found in every Italian American household at one point or another.
My point is that Mr. Cambria full well knew when he made that statement that in no way can 'deli meats' be considered a Jewish only article.
I have no idea what Mr. Cambria's agenda was by making his statement but on behalf of the Italian American community we too ask Mr. Paul Cambria to explain his insensitive ignorant statement.

Grazie

Vincent
Vincent Esposito Use me and abuse me! And get paid to do it!

Good Morning,

My name is Nathan Farber and I am the secretary of the Jewish Anti Defamation League. We applaud the action of Mr. Corliss and the Association of American Meat Processors. Mr. Cambria's statements were ignorant at best and bigoted at worst. We are committed to putting an end to racial and cultural stereotyping of the type Mr. Cambria on behalf of his client Evan Horowitz puts forth. Some may feel that this "political correctness" is
overbearing and unnecessesary. We don't. We have no interest in abridging anybody's free speech but when we see a statement which paints one racial or cultural group with a broad brush we will publically ask or demand the source of that statement to go on record publically
to explain his remarks. We also ask Mr. Paul Cambria of the law firm LIPSITZ, GREEN, FAHRINGER,
ROLL, SALISBURY & CAMBRIA for a public explanation and apology for his preposterous statement.

Regards,

Nathan Farber

Nathan Farber Use me and abuse me! And get paid to do it!

Good day Oprano even though I have no idea what it means:)

Anyone know what is up with ARS lately??? For some reason our conversions jumped 400% on the same traffic...

Not bitching but was wondering what changed with them.

Hugs,
Danielle

PS Big hugs to Serge baby:)

Danielle Use me and abuse me! And get paid to do it!

Hello,

I am William Corliss, executive Vice President of the Association of American Meat Processors. The AAMP represents some 500 large and small companies engaged in the meat processing industry. It has come to out attention some outlandish, irresponsible, if not bigoted, statements have been made by an individual named Paul Cambria of Buffalo New York on behalf of a client involved in the adult entertainment industry. A cease and desist letter written by Mr. Cambria included a statement that left no ambiguity that Mr. Cambia believes that the phrase 'deli meats' is a term which relates only to the Jewish culture.
We at the AAMP find this statement troubling and it concerns us for two reasons. One on a general human decency level. Mr. Cambria's supposition smacks of an underlying bigotry, or insenstive cultural stereotyping at least. Remarks such as Mr. Cambria's could be taken by the general public as a claim that the delicatessen meat industry is controlled by a Jewish Conspiracy.
Secondly, on a professional level, Mr. Cambria's statement and inference that 'deli meats' are exclusively a Jewish meat product is false. The AAMP represents 100's of manufacturers and distributors of deli meats. Only a small minority of the processed meat industry produces what would be considered Jewish style deli meat products.
One of our jobs at the AAMP is to sell on behalf of our member companies the wide variety of delicious and nutricious products produced by our member companies. Our members produce and market deli meats of many national origins including German and Italian deli meats. Sterotypes of the type Mr. Cambria engages in damage our business.

So that said, we ask Mr. Paul Cambria of the law firm LIPSITZ, GREEN, FAHRINGER, ROLL, SALISBURY & CAMBRIA to make a full public apology to the meat industry of America.

Thank you for your time,

Bill Corliss, Esq.
Association of American Meat Processors

W_Corlis,AAMP CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

"The FIRST program I signed up for was Max Cash, because Meat recommended them."

me too...

lurker CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

TheEnforcer, thats TOO funnt lol

there is a counter at the bottom "940"


Slavdogg CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Actually they had something like that here for Mardi Gras it was a big hit from what I heard but I never saw one... guess thats a good thing..

Nite all !


Billy CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

http://www.stadiumpal.com/

was watching the TV show To Tell the Truth and this url was mentioned. Too fucking funny!! Wonder how many the guy actually sells??

:))


TheEnforcer CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Thanks Billy.. at least it's not just me... I think i have every server made available on the list they have to try and get a connection. Been acting very strange lately.. certain people it takes forever to get a message to go through and I have to try multiple times to get it through and occasional drop outs but they usually don't last too long....


TheEnforcer CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

TheEnforcer

Had all kinds of problems with my ICQ connection today.. I just log on with other accounts just not my main account.. about 8 hours later it just came back on, really strange.




TheEnforcer

Billy CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

First, let me preface all this by saying, I do not operate a webmaster resource, nor do I intend to do so. I receive no money or ad space or valuable prizes or kickbacks or free donuts from any webmaster resource (although lord knows, I'm always open to it), nor do I foresee doing so, so all of what I'm saying is just as a regular webmaster schlub, and I may well be a moron. :))

For some reason, it got 'round that that *I'm* "dissing" certain resources (actually, last night, on Sounding Point, I was offering an *opinion* only, and I had *thought* we were all still allowed those...even us fat morons) for gain -- I am not.

I ain't startin' no webmaster resource for economic gain. The thing I'm starting is not-for-profit, and it's not EVEN going to accept traffic from it! I'm doing it as a hobby thing, and because I know all manner of people who are genuinely hurting.

I go to about four webmaster resources on a weekly basis.

When I want to find out about content, I go to Ynot, because they still have the best listings for what I'm seeking (and I fall back on using my favorite ones, or am told about one by the Content Master Dravyk).

When I wanted to post, formerly, I'd go to Netpond, because all the people with whom I enjoy interacting (you know all the nasty people like me) were posting, and now I come here for the same reasons.

When looking for other sources of content or sponsors or what-have-you, or when I hear about a post on a board or some other event or happening, I go to AllofEm. I also frequently check out Porn Resource and its offshoots.

In looking for info on a webmaster graphics place or something, I head to Webmaster Matrix (part of WebOvedrive), run by my old friends Tweet and KayS.

I don't think I've *ever* signed up for a program because of a banner on a webmaster resource, or because I talked to someone at a booth at a webmaster event. I might have clicked a banner to go to a sponsorship program, but if it was a good one, I'd have heard about it long before time.

That said, the reason I signed up to Sexhit is because I met cj in Phoenix (co-sponsored by all manner of great companies including Insite and Max Cash, despite my earlier moronic posting) and liked her enormously...and because someone I trust told me they converted well with them.

I send traffic to JohnIP because (1) I like him (despite my earlier stupidity), and (2) his company has never once screwed me or anyone I know. Similarly, MarcDe, Helmy and numerous other good folk.

The FIRST program I signed up for was Max Cash, because Meat recommended them.

Ergo, it was always a combo thing of networking and word of mouth.

Just one moron's .02

Melody CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Anybody else have their ICQ connection just completely drop out on them??


TheEnforcer CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Ron Levi,
are we on for the radio show on Monday?

care to compare whose Altzheimer is more progressed?

;-))


Serge CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Lee
Evins'es attny has mouth herpes him dont talk so good now, where do i turn?
buzz CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

THank you Enforcer....

another topic of discussion is looming:
1) Which webresource is gonna fold NEXT?

(with so many boards around, do we really need that many to share dropping advertiisng revenues????)

2) we gonna run the list
where everybody can put their names,
we'll call it:

"List of Ev's Friends"

;-))

Serge CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Some excellent discussion today, thouroughly enjoyed it. Most of the whole resource/advertising thread is a pearl in it's own way!!


TheEnforcer CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Buzz, I owe you $68? Did you call Evans attorney, Luke Ford stated I have legal problems, I will roll over like Cohen days, Evan will get all my allowance, beanies, and State quarters collection set [BTW, on sale on Home Shopping NetWork]--

Note to self:

Order showtime rotisserie from informerical.
Lee Noga CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Lee,
fuck the fucking bastards
(no, matyd, I wasn't talking about you)

you are one heck of the woman and mothefuckers suck dick!
;-))
Serge CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

..

He should be posting in a minute, we had some serious sex!
Lee Noga CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Good Evening
grimm Online Alive

Lee

wheres my 68$$$
you gotta make 100$$ like with dollarmachine????
buzz Online Alive

I think the cleaning lady has a sence of humor.
Then again, it IS Jersey.
~Mattyd Online Alive

No, I was being SERIOUS!!!
When mark opened the bag-o-farm animals he said "Holy shit! Is serge here somewhere!?!"
;)
~Mattyd Online Alive

Cj,

Nice photo of the Party, damm that love doll sure looks familiar:)



sextoyking 30% Commissions on All Sextoy Sales!!

Mattyd,
was it supposed to be funny?

does anybody have sence of humor at your company?
Serge Online Alive

Hey Serge~
I had to stop by to let you know you were though of at Tiarra's B-Day party last week.
One of the presents he got was a bag of plastic farm animals...
...and of course, the little plastic goats were held in reverence.
;)

(did that satisfy the 'pithy' req?)
~Mattyd Online Alive

LMAO!!

I just noticed 'Julian' on the right... he's our new office mascot, replacing the strapon... 'blow up dolls for the independant woman'


cj Click this so I can calculate a cpc

xxxphoto,you sure I'm allowed to post it?! lol

Don't click this if you don't want to see Mark's mr happy HAHAHHAHA

http://www.cyberspasm.com/stuff/album/show/snaps/Internext%202001%20::%20A/1VC-001S.jpg

JohnIP, thanks hun

ThrobX, my apologies, your resource has been very prominant recently - I'm interested to see if you can prove yourself and withstand the serge-o-slaughter :-))))

cj Click this so I can calculate a cpc

Lee you better call quick !

Or else you may get another resturant : )



Billy FREE CONTENT

Lee, now is good, it's been a while
Serge redneck resource webmasters wear silk boxers w/ smileys... ;^)

CJ:

Thank you for your comments... Now where are those pics of me
dropping my pants in Vegas?? Took the "Purve" hat fishin
and my Dad stole it from me!!

Big hugs hon... ;^Ð

~Mark
XXXPhoto redneck resource webmasters wear silk boxers w/ smileys... ;^)

When can I call Serge?
Lee Noga CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Lee and ONLY Lee...

201-294-0773
;-)))
Serge CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Why would CCBill need to advertise?
****************

Because on the old board few years ago the every day's discussion was:
CCbill processing for child porn
CCBill was that ,
CCBill was this....
let's send Ron Caldwell to Siberia,
let's shoot him on the spot and feed hos body to the wolves....
etc
etc
etc....

I believe CCBill made a right desission to advertise and shield themselves from those discussions.

NOBODY wanna talk shit about those who bring bacon to the table.


Serge CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

Serge, I don't have your number anymore...they didn't make Palm pilots when I last called you in 1997. I just hit last redial, and it was to chinese restaurant :(, think your number got purged.
Lee Noga CyberErotica - When was last time you checked the program updates?

We have our own bible we follow… the only difference from the rest God isn’t the one doing the judging.

Captain , weRd
******************

Captain,
baruhas my tuhas on Christmas and Sukkoth
Serge weRd

Serge,

Look at the firestorm you've created by admitting the truth that some resource sites get outrageous per click numbers :)

*****************

Toolz,
what can I do???
I ask our sponsors and this is how we get the answers.

As for pissing somebody off....
the times of
I'll lick your nuts if you lick my nuts are over,
this is not 1998 anymore.

The time has come to make tough choices and break the eggs to save the omlet from spoiling at the root.

I never been shy at pissing people off if it served it's purpose in finding the truth.

...and the truth have been found today.
Serge weRd

Serge,

Speculation with out facts leads into further confusion…

We have our own bible we follow… the only difference from the rest God isn’t the one doing the judging.

Captain weRd

CJ Hun GREAT Post...nothing unusual for You!!!

Competition breeds benifit to all Customers...rersource sites START competing!!!;))


JohnIP Compete and Win!!!

I am a big time pessimist and I have no idea if Hawaii still be standing in March!
;-))
Serge
Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:43:01 - IP: 12.89.182.8 - Post # 4570

Mr Serge.

well you fuckin made it didn't you ??

Rob Mac Adult Content News - Find what you're looking for.

We stopped the Booth, the parties, etc... It didn't affect our business one bit.

Remember? =o)


ArchAngelAnthony
*********************

yes, you did and still sold Netpond to Meat for $1,200,000.00
(New Zealand and OZ $)
Can you imagine what it would be worth if you did have a Booth??????
Serge Adult Content News - Find what you're looking for.

"And its easy to see who the classy resources are based on who took the time to offer information in the discussion."

Just to quickly chime in, at the risk of looking like a johnny-come-lately, I'd have participated in this discussion, but I had some personal matters to attend to. But I'll try to hit this topic tomorrow.
ThrobX Adult Content News - Find what you're looking for.

A lot of advertisers have waited a LONG time for resource sites to compete just like their sponsors do EVERY DAY…hope this discussion is a harbinger of things to come.
*************************

hmmm.....I'll drop our prices to ZERO...as soon as we run out of demand.

JohnIP,
I think demand still out weights supply.

I think this is the LAST area of the adult bull market, like biotech was last year when tech went down like a stone.

After resources die-
the last $ made on the adult net dies with it.
Serge Honesty is the best policy

Serge, a little bird told me that you are going to be in Hawaii next March...is this true?

;))
Magick , Sex.com
Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:05:33 - IP: 24.116.96.103 - Post # 4549

i read your post this morning Magick..at lunchtime i went home to train..pulled out of the driveway to go back to work, and saw an injured "little bird" on the path just waiting for Mr Puddy Cat to come along :-) anyway took it to the vet and should be okay!!

the little bird says thanks for the message..

"Magick Happens" !!
:-)

Rob Mac Honesty is the best policy

Serge,

Next time you shake his hand, ask him who is the thief.
Captain , Honesty is the best policy
*********************

Captain,
1) please call my house no more,
your calls bother me and my household members
2) this discussion is finished, 'cuz your knowledge of Bible, Torah, Koran is limited and I don't see how we can maintain theological discussion under those circumstances.
Serge Honesty is the best policy

I think, serge, your move was brilliant. And its easy to see who the classy resources are based on who took the time to offer information in the discussion.
********************

CJ,
there is a reason for it.

MikeAI lived well before Oprano and can live without $$ it brings
I can made my money 2 years ago and can live if Oprano operates at the loss.

It's profitability is secondary to the integrity, innovations, and fun we have.

We can afford to tell the truth and call things the way we see them-
'cuz even if our traffic ain't worth shit-
we still gather around this table and discuss the industry and ways to progress it.

When you have no $$$ chains on you-
your mind flys free and with the eagles.
Serge Honesty is the best policy

Serge,

Next time you shake his hand, ask him who is the thief.
Captain Honesty is the best policy

In the past two years they have moved away from traditional activities such as prostitution and lap dancing to become the majority of cyberporn owners."
----

samantha, that was hilarious!! 'Scarlet collar' workers ... thank the lord I was able to kick that prostitution and dancing though... it was giving me back problems.

I've really enjoyed the last 2 pages discussion on webmaster resources... For the last 6 months, we've advertised sexhit on a large portion of resources...

Here's a few notes about my findings ...

BossHawg won't take new advertisers for more money. The waiting list is honest and he can't be bribed ...

During our advertising at plr, the clicks we're second only to the OLD netpond. However, inquiries and instantly signed up webmasters we're very common... usually 1 per 'show' at least... What's the value of each of those signups? I'll tell you in a few years :-)

Netpond always sends (sorry, SENT) the most traffic... but I can never get a true indication of how much comes from my posting, or from the advertising, or the combination of both.


TopNiche doesn't send many 'clicks' - but I am also slack in posting there... as for branding, its the only resource where I've been told in person 'we saw your ad on topniche' - more than once.

The ynot newsletter ALWAYS brings emails from people, based on the article topics. these conversations often start with a discussion, and end in a new signup... cost=the time it takes me to write an article

I may later post some numbers, but I think snoops, serge, xxxphoto and a few others have made the most important points ...

Each resource offers a different value - some work on a branding, lots of traffic, most impressions system. Others work on less traffic, but trying to push your product to those visitors. These are only successful if the visitors ever change.. which often, they don't.

One thing I can say for sure is that there are TOO MANY RESOURCES and NOT ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE OF THE COST OF A CLICK/IMPRESSION/SIGNUP.

I think, serge, your move was brilliant. And its easy to see who the classy resources are based on who took the time to offer information in the discussion.

Porn Resource and Top niche, no doubt are 2 of the classiest resources out there. where are the rest?


cj Click this so I can calculate a cpc

Captain,
I shake hands with God,
The oNLY TRUE gOD.

Serge Bop

LaughingEyes ,
welcome to your very first post on Oprano-
the place to see and BE SEEN!
;-))
Serge Bop

Serge,

It depends on who you shake hands with ...
Captain Bop

Serge, a little bird told me that you are going to be in Hawaii next March...is this true?

;))
Magick , Sex.com
***********************

Magic,
I don't know if I wake up alive tomorrow.

I am a big time pessimist and I have no idea if Hawaii still be standing in March!
;-))
Serge Fun in the Sun

Crap, Serge you told me that "" would be fixed with the new software :((
Peaches
*************

Peaches, and I told her that I won't cum in her mouth....

I think I just exaturate from time to time
;-))
Serge Fun in the Sun

Serge, drop me an email :-)
*****************

sure,
but you send viruses Lee.

why don't you post or call me instead?
Serge Fun in the Sun

Mike, Brad, Tonda and the gang - glad you guys made it to Belize in one peice! Good discussion on the board today, Mike - you missed some great nuggets from everyone!

And don't worry, I'm sure your C&D is on the way - perhaps it got lost in the mail or something.... Keep your fingers crossed!

;)
Edd Fun in the Sun

Captain,
please tell me,
which God's commandment is:
"Though shall not steal?"

you have 10 mins to answer

please keep in mind that this board is monitored by at least 13 lawyers.
Serge Get what you paid for here

Tuhkman and Nick with http://sexcounter.com are 2 up and coming guys I first met in Orlando 5 years ago I beleive.... I think they were 18-19... expect these guys to keep moving!
Mike AI
----------------------------

Mike,
5 years ago nick was 13 year old :)_-lol
Captain Get what you paid for here

Hahaha.. Lee looks like you are
closer to Mike and the group then we ever though : )

I would hate to get on your bad side!

You know if it was on Luke Ford it has to be true !!


Billy FREE CONTENT

The most amusing thing on this board today was sponsers mulling over how big a party they should throw. Companies are letting go of thousands of employees at a time and the biggest concern here is should we have a smaller booth. If you can't see the irony in that or why it's going to affect your business you need to buy a clue.


Ulfie FuckedMaster -Entertainment

LukesFord.com site:

==================================
XXX says: Evan Horowitz from Xpays.com sent Brad Shaw, Mike AI, Lee Noga and several other porners Cease and Desist orders from attorney Paul Cambria. They've made slanderous remarks about Evan being gay, a spammer and a drug user. Remember Evan's partnered with Steve Hirsch at Vivid and Eddie Wedelstedt at Goalie. Evan's only begun.
==================================

Anybody want to tell me what I did? Shall we talk about the damages Even did to me? Argh.
Lee Noga FuckedMaster -Entertainment

Tonda can you please get from under Brads desk so he can think while he posts??


Mike AI FREE CONTENT

Mike ! !

Glad to see you and Brad made it to Belize, hope yall have a great weekend and yall should not do anything that Evan would do : )

Well I guess since Brad still has his thong on, I guess he is ok !!

FYI... Baseball game cancelled because of rain : (


Billy FREE CONTENT

I am very excited, that we have the 2 top counters in the industry monitoring Oprano.

KC with http://paycounter.com is a dear friend, and as solid as they come!!

Tuhkman and Nick with http://sexcounter.com are 2 up and coming guys I first met in Orlando 5 years ago I beleive.... I think they were 18-19... expect these guys to keep moving!
Mike AI Click here to learn about getting your free month of feeds!

Ok....sitting in an Internet Cafe in Belize. I do not think we ever get away from work:)

It is awesome here...I think we all should plan a vacation together. Don't you think this would be fun?

Anyways, I am having fun...will talk to you guys later!
Tonda Click here to learn about getting your free month of feeds!

You gotta Belize it!!!!

Brad is looking good in his lime green thong!

I have been advised that there has been no C&D to me yet... Evans do you need my address?? E-mail me I will send it to you!

My attornies have advised me that I should set up a company and maybe move to Belize - then I can continue to refer to evan as a slack jaw, gerbil abusing, druggie, turd burgler!!

Of course this is just my opinion!!


Mike AI GhostField Internet

Gay Bukkake
Weed
Throwing deli meats at Evan
Closet Homosexual
Wigga love,oops I mean jigga love

Keeping the faith from Belize. No C&D's here. But also no gay bukkake jigga filled weed smoking delis;-(



Brad Shaw GhostField Internet

Well, after a windows installation managed to chew up my hard drives, after 5 hours of re-installing and digging up old backups (note to self: make a backup once a month, not once every 4 years), and some elbow grease..

now it's time to go about reconstructing my ICQ list. Shoot me a message at: 18745679

thx
MadCat GhostField Internet

ThrobX -

Thanks for the email we were already aware of it and are working on it now.


VoodooChile Adult Content News

VOODOOCHILE - YOU HAVE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT EMAIL. SERIOUSLY.

(sorry for shouting)
ThrobX Adult Content News

Serge, drop me an email :-)

Lee Noga Fucked Master - Entertainment room service

Crap, Serge you told me that "" would be fixed with the new software :((
Peaches Sex.com

Not yet - but I've been brushing in the lake, so maybe I'm OK for a while longer - of course, the water supply doesn't have fluoride in it...;)



None of my relatives will come up here ;))



I'll borrow yours :))



I don't know :( When the hard drive got deleted, I was told to remove all the programs off my "Start" which I did, and now I can't figure out how to add them back - any advice?
Peaches Sex.com

Serge, a little bird told me that you are going to be in Hawaii next March...is this true?

;))
Magick Sex.com

Worm Alert!

Received a new virus today. It's coming from a James Elisner or someone you know. In the email he is asking for advice on the attachment he has sent.

If you ended up with the Sir32 virus here's a link to the fix.
http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusChar.asp?virus_k=99141

mani awaste,

LaughingEyes FRESH NEW ANIME HENTAI TOONS & COMICS

Well Stallion I wasn't too sure anyone would want to so I figured I'd better make it plain from the get go...

Actually as long as people are quiet and busy I don't usually bother them ;)
KK Extreme Green

KK,

I am not sure anyone is qualified to work with you :P

:-)
Stallion Extreme Green

don't know which part you're referring to hooper, some of it stays the way it is because its used by other companies as a skinned over backend for their own purposes.
KK Superpics is Super.. Ed says so!!!

We interupt this broadcast to bring you this hot web news:
http://www.webbyawards.com/main/webby_awards/nominees.html

The latest WEBBY AWARDS are out!
Notice no SEX sites anymore!
Anyway.. check out the cool sites there!

Now.. back to our regulary scheduled program...
Stan Superpics is Super.. Ed says so!!!

does this mean a redesign for ccbill? *hope hope* ;-))
Hooper No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

CCBill/Cavecreek/CCBucks is hiring a web designer --

the ideal candidate will
a. know how to design websites -- HTML, DHTML, and Javascript knowledge; graphic design applications: Photoshop, Illustrator, image editing, cross browser scripting, and Macromedia products (Fireworks, Flash, Dreamweaver).
b. have experience and a portfolio of such designs, especially those with an adult slant
c. either live in Phoenix or be willing to relocate to Phoenix on his or her own
d. want to work for a company on payroll, with benefits like paid vacation, healthcare, 401K yada yada yada

Of course that means you'd have to work with me too lol!!!

If you're qualified and interested, email me your resume, kim@ccbill.com
KK No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

Very true Nick... the various resource sites and such are but a segment of the adult business as a whole and that should definately be taken as a factor to look at in the decision making process.


TheEnforcer No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

Heres some food for thought from the topic at hand (given that we foot the bill instead of collecting it in the situation we're talking about) --

Let's say I have 1000 sites I process for (not the actual number at all, but easy math for me) --

and while the biggest players do business with us aren't the ones that necessarily come to or expect us to have a party -- as a matter of fact they are usually busy planning their own parties so they're in the same boat we are --

but now say the 975 smaller accounts we have -- the ones that cumulatively we make much more in profit and volume on, well they want us to do something for them, maybe at this point they've come to expect it as their right, given past moves we've made --

and then we add in the 500 or so we don't do business with but could... (once again just an easy number)...

well these are most likely the people that do realize these things exist and do give them weight --

if this weren't the case I don't think you'd see the Gameworks, the Humorgasms, the WB parties, and our own parties so packed with people...

KK No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

JohnIP, I'm trying to get hold of you, hon, but your line is busy.

Somebody else who doesn't like call waiting. LOL I thot I was the only one.

Melody No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

I think the effect Enforcer raises is valid.


however...

it overates the penetration of boards and events.Some of the biggest players (owners,not managers):

1.)do not realise these things take place,or boards exist.
2.)give them little weight
3.)and perhaps an additional perspective,a lot of people do not want to be associated with the image the various boards give off,and especially do not wish to be associated with the conferences,and the much publicised parties and all they entail.

just a thought

St.Nick No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

Sorry, Kimster, all I remember is CCBill coz I've got the cool towels, and I'll never forget your way-cool stretch limovan. :-)

Hey, Matt! I wondered where you'd got to.

Melody No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

Well well one of my favorite subjects…Adult resource advertising costs (Here I go D and Bryan;))

First of all what brings us to these discussions…competition…..lower revenue to resource sites because of general tightening of sponsor belts (Costs like shit roll down hit)….concern over improving customer service.

Probably ALL of the above and more!! As a company that Like a lot of other larger companies we spend MANY THOUSANDS on advertising in publications as well as on resource sites…the thing that has frustrated us over the years is a lack of STANDARDS for advertising rates.

Like main stream publications,and NOT to apply an analogy in another industry is dishonest and deceiving double speak,The entire advertising concept ,branding (PAGE VIEWS)as well as expected direct response (CLICK THROUGHS) is rolled up into ONE set price multiplied by Subscriptions (impressions).No advertiser in their right MIND would EVER place an ad in a publication without understanding SUDSCRIPTIONS.Yet in the Adult venue resource sites talk around that..interject nebulous double speak and treat the advertiser as active partners instead of delivering to some measured standard to a paying customer. Resource sites should be OBLIGATED to provide competitive comparisons but seemingly not until the well has dried up…not until the squeeze is on… does the discussion even occur.

A lot of advertisers have waited a LONG time for resource sites to compete just like their sponsors do EVERY DAY…hope this discussion is a harbinger of things to come.

BTW I just heard that the Adult Gossip Show was the most informative…LESS Lifestyle related show EVER!!! I Fucking wonder WHY…TOO FREAKING FUNNY!!!! Keep up the good work…. Looks like some learning goin on….maybe;))

JohnIP Less Hype ...More $$$$$$

"I go to the seminars/conventions to see friends. IMHO, the best so far was the CCBill-sponsored one in Arizona.

Melody "
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Thanks Mel, but in all fairness there were alot of other sponsors besides us and the fact that they all kicked in with their attendance and participation in events and panels etc made it what it was --

Exactly the point Enforcer -- I think sometimes in the quest to grow, companies often go to great pains to get the spotlight (which is as it should be in good pr) and then when they've hit a point that they don't really need that spotlight so much anymore, they have to really evaluate what it costs to back down out of it -- and the cost is not always dollars either...
KK Newbie bootcamp will be fun, wonder if the newbies will think the same thing ;)

True I'm sure Ant, but it doesn't always hold that way unfortunately -- and in an industry where rumor seems to carry as much if not more weight than truth sometimes, well you know where I'm going with it.

KK
Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:24:24 - IP: 64.38.194.18 - Post # 4530

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I would say that being a sponser or billing agent would be different than a resource site. people depend on those program operators and billing companies to send them their money. Anything that makes it look like they have LESS money tends to make webmasters panic or rivals to stir shit.




TheEnforcer Newbie bootcamp will be fun, wonder if the newbies will think the same thing ;)

On the other hand once you start with that sort of thing, if you don't continue it -- parties, large booths, giveaways -- do the webmasters think you're going broke if you attempt to scale back to reasonable levels based on what you calculate to be the real return on these things?

KK
Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:02:43 - IP: 64.38.194.18 - Post # 4521
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And therein lies the rub.

Sometimes PERCEPTION is mistaken for REALITY!!

Since KK brought CCBill up I'll use them as a hypothetical example. Ron says "fuck this shit I'm not gonna do all this anymore" and goes to the smallest booth possible or maybe even decides to not have a booth at the next show. Webmaasters being a predictable lot will scream and say "CCBill is in trouble", "They're losing money" , blah, blah, blah... Which isn't the case but word spreads even if it may be untrue and CCBill may lose future business to another company or even possibly lose current customers if they panic. Now it definately may not be that bad but there would be some who would make noise for sure if they did that. Just as when FM lowered payouts earlier. Now, eventually the furor would die down but is it worth the potential for something like that that occasionally takes on a life of it's own even if it's bogus.

Now, one has to look at that short term perception problem and figure whether or not that is worth the potential problems it could bring the company even if in reality it's a bullshit perception that is based purely on erroneous assumptions or shit stirrers.


TheEnforcer Newbie bootcamp will be fun, wonder if the newbies will think the same thing ;)

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VegasLee Newbie bootcamp will be fun, wonder if the newbies will think the same thing ;)

That damned page is everywhere, too. Everywhere.

As for parties and such, I don't go to them. I don't even go to corporate suites. I don't press flesh (and lord knows I could), and I don't schmooze, I do just fine.

I go to the seminars/conventions to see friends. IMHO, the best so far was the CCBill-sponsored one in Arizona.

Melody No this link doesn't work either, because it doesn't exist - duh

"Kimmy, you hit a problem we came up with not too long ago...

We stopped the Booth, the parties, etc... It didn't affect our business one bit.

Remember? =o) "
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True I'm sure Ant, but it doesn't always hold that way unfortunately -- and in an industry where rumor seems to carry as much if not more weight than truth sometimes, well you know where I'm going with it.

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