"Can you dispute that either way the loyal webmasters who sent them traffic are getting fucked and fucked big time? "
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No dispute there Rick. I said that I thought it sucked that they closed their program, especially for the webmasters that have a good base with them. I'm sure the stockholders of Xerox think it sucks that there are no more quarterly dividends.

In either case when someone owns a business they are free to do with it as they see fit -- and if there is liability to address that in the appropriate court if necessary.

My point has nothing to do with getting fucked as a reseller by program closure, it has to do with the fact that no one is getting any recurrings since there aren't any...

:)
KK Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

are Profit Plantation stats real-time ? If so, its definitely NOT counting any of my hits.
Brujah Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

KK, chill dear. All I wanted to know was what the story was with them since I get sites sent to me every day that are still advertising them. I hate to see webmasters screw themselves, even stupid ones. ;)


Ulfie Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

Or maybe it was a cult and not a church?

Regardless, I know of people losing big $. Also, this hurts ALL other partner programs, people will shy away from sending traffic because they are afraid people will pull a "newman" on them.



Brad Shaw Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

I wannnnaaaaaaaaa radio show!!!!!
=P


Forest Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

but no one is stealing anything from anyone as far as recurrings go that I am aware of.
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KK....no offense but that sounds a little clintonesque. Can you dispute that either way the loyal webmasters who sent them traffic are getting fucked and fucked big time?

Perhaps they should have offered the webmasters a chence to keep the customers they sent.

Either way....what a royal fuck you to those that sent traffic. I would not be surprised if there was some liability there.



Webfather Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

notice he said QUITE happy, eh?


jaYMan Lee, how about a show on PLR? hahaha

I heard Jeff found God. Anyone know which church? There are a few people in this business I would like to send over there.


Brad Shaw great adult flash games for your sites. $999.00

two things I noticed here --

1. CC processors (third party) do not reject 95% of foreign transactions. One I know for sure doesn't, the rest I'll speculate on and guess that they don't either.

2. Busty Amateurs is NOT keeping recurrings. Stop beating the horse, it's long past dead. There are NO MORE recurrings. Yes I think it sucks that a successful program closed down and that many people had built up a nice income with this program, but no one is stealing anything from anyone as far as recurrings go that I am aware of. Once again, I know for certain that recurrings with us are not happening, and I have heard that they were killed with the other processors that Busty may have been using. The members area is up until the last 30 days of surfer memberships run out and they will be turning it off at that point entirely as I understand it, so in three weeks or so it will be gone (tho not forgotten...).
KK great adult flash games for your sites. $999.00

Damm good discussion today everyone.

I learned more today about dialers, then I ever did before!!!

thanks Dialer Queen and Serge:)

sextoyking great adult flash games for your sites. $999.00

Serge,

We do have a radio show, every Thursday night on PLR. And we're quite happy with it too Lee :)


Toolz We DO have a Radio Show

"A unique visitor is just that - one ip, no matter how many times they hit the page"

the question is - how often do you reset your ip table? every 24 hours? never? :)


Petr Lee, our sponsors do NOT have own radio shows, but they pay $44$ per sing up...

Lee, Marc is too young and smart to have the bad case of Penis Envy
;-)))
Serge Lee, our sponsors do NOT have own radio shows, but they pay $44$ per sing up...

ARS need a radio show? Contact Albumside.com for availability :-)
Lee Noga CyberErotica - $40/HardCrank, how gay is your straight traffic?

it looks like a cover of National Enquier! Magazine!
;-)

Serge Rob Mac, who designed it?

Monk, you know my weak spot and how much I love Al....

ahh...what's the heck, one for the geeper!
http://clickcash.com rocks!
;-))
Serge Lee, our sponsors do NOT have own radio shows, but they pay $44$ per sing up...

The entire Q and A of DQ
will be published tomorrow,
under the separate cover.

"Everythign you ever wanted to know about Dialers"
;-))
Serge Lee, our sponsors do NOT have own radio shows, but they pay $44$ per sing up...

I'm alright Serge.

Let me make it up to you with this tagline.
Monk Al Hadhazy lives here

Monk,
what is your problem, son?

Moon misbehaving again?
Serge don't leave $$$ on the table, checks add 20% to your bottom line

MikeAI - I think that is what is commonly referred to as the "Hoboken Borialis" - an infrequent occurance in the Jersey sky that usually precedes a Rico Act Case....
Serge, am I right?

;)
Edd Red Lectroids have taken over...

"majority of others know me for a bit longer than you and your 3 months"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I think it is much longer than that since I first saw you post, at least 5 or 6 months :o)

Monk SexCounter

C A R T E R E T, N.J., July 17
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Mike,
I don't know what's in New Jersey, but I do not Carteret Court is going to be the next court to try to suspend my license
;-)))
Tukhman SexCounter

I'm sure others were thinking it.
*************

Monk,
majority of others know me for a bit longer than you and your 3 months
;-))

you are right, I shouldn't call you names when I run my own board,
I did it just to show everybody you and me do not work in the concert!

ha!
;-))
Serge only if $$$ matter

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/ufo010717.html

What the hell is going up in New Jersey Serge??
Mike AI Dialers that make people major money..... buy your own plantation in a few months!

That's cool, just wondering if this a typical affiliate or what is the average for ALL of your affiliates??

Monk
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Hey Monk - you probably know your traffic better than all of us. Good traffic = better results. Not so good traffic - not so good results.
Unfortunately there is no more magick around...
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation.

Sorry Webfather,

can't tell you just yet. Hopefully soon!
Tro ProfitPlantation.

"This is a real report from one of our affiliates.
Scroll to the right and you can see the value per unique (as high as 0.06)."
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That's cool, just wondering if this a typical affiliate or what is the average for ALL of your affiliates??

Monk ProfitPlantation.

I'm sure others were thinking it. Better to bring it out and let you address it, than have people just assume it.

piece of shit - now that hurts.

Monk ProfitPlantation.

BUT for now I'm not doing anything - have an interest in not making these guys enemies.
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Tro....if they fuck you in the ass who wants them as friends? I don't get it.


Webfather ProfitPlantation.

Monk

Take a look at http://www.profitplantation.com/account_master_report.html (i posted it before - but I will again, just to prove how much you mean to me).

This is a real report from one of our affiliates.
Scroll to the right and you can see the value per unique (as high as 0.06).
A unique visitor is just that - one ip, no matter how many times they hit the page.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation.

Monk,
are you saying anybody has enough to have Serge sing for them?

is that what you saying my little piece of shit friend?

try me!
;-))
Serge only if $$$ matter

DQ,

What is the average your webmasters are making? (in cents per unique click)

How do you define unique in your proggy?


Monk Adult Income News - Better than pickles in a barrel.

Thanks for the answer, DQ. Plans for an FTC review???

ThrobX Adult Income News - Better than pickles in a barrel.

"want me to grill you instead?"

Do I get to email you the questions also?

Monk ProfitPlantation.

Bottomline is that Busty Amateurs have taken all recurrings...

BUT for now I'm not doing anything - have an interest in not making these guys enemies.

But if everything fails the McD here in Puerto Banus is looking for new people...
Tro ProfitPlantation.

ThrobX

We had to have our entire operation reveiewd and approved by ATT before we could bring it up.

we are dead serious about complying with the rules.
Like I said before, we have been in this business long enough, and we intend to keep it that way.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation.

Actually with recurrings on dialers this could be very good. Hopefully the numbers will grow day by day.

Webfather Dialers that make people major money..... buy your own plantation in a few months!

Dan The Man, I am leaving Thursday morning for a long weekend!


Mike AI Dialers that make people major money..... buy your own plantation in a few months!

Serge, who was holding your cue cards?


Monk
*********

want me to grill you instead?

I am game...as soon as you send aplication to sponsor Oprano
;-))
Serge only if $$$ matter

Thanks for stopping by Dialer Queen... Very informative. This is a tough crowd sometimes!


Mike AI Dialers that make people major money..... buy your own plantation in a few months!

Jus for clarification I just got off the phone with JoeE
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No wonder he stopped posting!

Brilliant strategy MikeAI.

;-))

Webfather ProjectWebmaster

Did someone mention MOney?
grimm ProjectWebmaster

Dialer Queen, I do have a question. The FTC is not crazy about dialers right now. Have you voluntarily had the FTC review your operations, and if so, what did they have to say? And if not, why not?
ThrobX Adult Income News - Better than pickles in a barrel.

I need to pay for my Belize trip some how! ;-)


Mike AI
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when ya going?
dantheman ball go far

I think DQ rather handled herself well for somebody with no posting experience.

should we make it a Oprano tradition to grill our sponsors about their proggies???

anybody wants to be next?
Serge DialerQueen, thanks!

Hmmm... I generally prefer my infomercials in the wee hours of the morning.

Serge, who was holding your cue cards?


Monk ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

You're so good at generalizing Webfather. I suspect few lost as much as I did from this.
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Just shaking the bushes!! :-)))

It's amazing what pops out!

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Jus for clarification I just got off the phone with JoeE, there was a miscommunication with his accounting department. JoeE said there will be a check on my desk tomorow vie FedEx.

I am eagerly waiting, I need to pay for my Belize trip some how! ;-)


Mike AI ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Thanks DQ!!

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Serge,

Thank you for the hospitality.
May this board become the Mecca of Adult Webmasters conducting serious productive, efficient, focused, money making, discussions.

Personally, I don't like to discuss our business in public, and I believe in personal relationships with the webmaster community.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to post them, or email me.
I appreciate good productive comments.
We are here to stay and to try and make everyone more money, specifically in the current stormy environment.

Thanks all.
Ciao
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Joe who?
DialerQueen
**************

I think we just saw another candidate for Pearls page wisdoms!
;-))))
Serge DialerQueen, thanks!

Thanks for the answers.




Ulfie DialerQueen, thanks!

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Brad, did you notice I was one of the few to even raise this issue and I have nothing at stake? I think this prooves just how stupid webmasters are getting. They are getting fucked in the ass and since they are making more than they would at Burger King.....they are not even UPSET!

MORONS!

Webfather
*****

You're so good at generalizing Webfather. I suspect few lost as much as I did from this.

http://www.oprano.com/morons.html
Tro DialerQueen, thanks!

JohnIP,
care to ask DQ what you asked me the other day if extra $3000 revenues worth the truobles?
Serge DialerQueen, thanks!

Webfather

Joe who?
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Hahah,,,,

DQ....good answer!!

:-)

Webfather DialerQueen, thanks!

He specifically warned me about old..er... mature russian guys
DialerQueen
*****************

your lunch or mine?
;-)))
Serge DialerQueen, thanks!

and in how many places did you put it?
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As many places as I could afford to. And yes, that was $3.40 more than meni.

;-)))

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Webfather

Joe who?
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

thank you, DQ, for spending an hour with us,
will you please hang some more and check if there are more questions coming?

I appreciate in advance and our RED will make uninterrupted version of Q and A to be posted here tomorrow!
Serge DialerQueen, thanks!

Serge,

I don't know what you put on your...er...thing.

I'm a nice jewish girl, and my boss doesn't let me talk dirty : -(

He specifically warned me about old..er... mature russian guys
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Last question Dialer Queen...

Is JoeE scared of you?

;-)))

Webfather DialerQueen, how competitve you are with your rates?

Does that include the $3.40 I made last night with it??

:-))

Webfather
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and in how many places did you put it?

still more than you made with meni...
;-))
Serge DialerQueen, how competitve you are with your rates?

Webfather

contact@profitplantation.com is my email address.


DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Currently the program does over $6,000,000 a month in billing, and growing.
Whoever wants to join the party is welcome.


DialerQueen
***************

and you pay them BEFORE you get your check in 45 days from TelCo?

sounds like a solid number to me,
$6,000,000 a month is not exactly penis buter...err...
peanuts butter!
;-))
Serge DialerQueen, how competitve you are with your rates?

Currently the program does over $6,000,000 a month in billing,
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Does that include the $3.40 I made last night with it??

:-))

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Ulfie

The US surfer pays $4.99 / minute with the first 2 minutes ABSOLUTELY FREE.

All terms and conditions are disclosed on the download page and thrtough the dialer connection. In today's "sensitive" environment, our clients are trying to protect anyone who is promoting the program.
Charge for non US surfers varies from one country to another.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Brujah, that just shows the rates paid to webmasters. I want to know what the surfer is being charged.


Ulfie ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

We have represented people like: highsociety.com, obsession.com, peep.com, tease.com, porn.com, even sex.com
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But wouldn't you like to represent

porno.com
voyeur.com
men.com
ass.com
dick.com
horny.com
whores.com
slut.com
orgy.com
bitch.com
vagina.com
virgins.com
sexo.com
stud.com
booty.com
etc. etc. etc.

:-))

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Serge,

Currently the program does over $6,000,000 a month in billing, and growing.
Whoever wants to join the party is welcome.


DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

What is the average per minute charge to the surfer?
is a GOOD question too!
Serge DialQueen, I told you this is the tough crowd! this is NO MORONS zone!;-)))

Brujah,

Of course!!
ProfitPlantation is a turnkey program.
US surfers gets dating oriented programs and foreign surfers get full hardcore.
Dating programs get better hold times and more repeat visitors then hardcore content.
All you have to do is sign up, you will get the links to send traffic to, and all you need to do is send the traffic at these links.

Do you know where your traffic comes from?
% of US traffic verses foreign?
good foreign (billable) - bad foreign (china, north Korea, Taiwan)

ProfitPlantation is the only program out there that really gives you this info, helps you manage it, and maximize dollars.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Ulfie, let me help lol
the FAQ shows it first question, plus the rate sheet.
http://www.profitplantation.com/faq.html


Brujah DialQueen, the podium is yours!

Perfect example

joee, Averaging $.20 cents per click with Webdad!
Tue Jul 17 13:09:32 2001 - 12.27.150.246 - message #152792

Unfortuanely JeE is not so good at math. It should read .02

:-))

NUMBERS is the only thing we trust here. Not new math ala JoeE style.

:-))))


Webfather DialQueen, the podium is yours!

DialQueen,
this impressive list but still,
I am a jew boy and topic of $$$ is the dearest to my heart.

So,
and I don't ask WHO but rather,
WHAT was the biggest payment on dialers your company ever made?

$100?
$1000?
$10,000?
$100,000?

I don't ask,m for cents you know...
;-)))

Serge DialQueen, the podium is yours!

"We have been around long enough, before the internet and will be long after."

Alien, make a mental note, you should consider Profit Plantation for billing on that direct neural porn transmission system you're working on. ;D

ThrobX Adult Income News - Better than pickles in a barrel.

Dialer Queen...

NUMBERS we trust....people we don't.

:-)

Webfather DialQueen, the podium is yours!

I'll ask this for the third time...

What is the average per minute charge to the surfer?


Ulfie DialQueen, the podium is yours!

Webmasters with lots of traffic, but no sites with content of their own can still use the program instead of using a sponsor ?


Brujah DialQueen, the podium is yours!

Serge,

With all due respect, we cannot discuss webmasters' revenues in this forum.
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oh yes we can!!!

we DO discuss MONEY here, we do NOT discuss fucking COFFEE!!!!

hey, I'll show you the way:
during sergescash.com operation over 7 webmasters were getting over $1,000,000.

do you need the list?

;-))

we are not SHY about money in this forum.
Serge DialQueen, the podium is yours!

Serge,

We have represented people like: highsociety.com, obsession.com, peep.com, tease.com, porn.com, even sex.com was under our control from the moment Gary K took over.

We have been around long enough, before the internet and will be long after.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

I'm sure that you would be more happy with $50,000 (ask Serge)
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hmmm...you never prepaid me $50,000 on the first date!

I am jelous now!

as for $50k to webdad,
YOU can sleep well at night knowing that he either deliver or send the money back, he is good up to 2 mils,
after that I don't know if he can be trusted on the word
;-))
I never tryed above it
;-))
Serge DialQueen, the podium is yours!

how much the most webmaster made with you in 2 weeks payment period?
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Come on dialer queen....no ducking LEGIT question!!

:-))

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

When sending traffic to other affiliate programs, webmasters get paid only for the US traffic! and only for the CC portion!
What the webamsters don't know is the fact that MOST of the tier traffic is outside of the US, and even the US part converts very low! They do not get paid for the rest of the traffic.
With Profit Plantation webmasters get paid for every click. Moreover, they SEE every click that comes in.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

DialQueen
profitplantation.com pays every 2weeks ....

how much money there are behind your operations?

should webmasters sleep well at night knowing you won't skip town?
Serge DialQueen, the podium is yours!

Serge,

With all due respect, we cannot discuss webmasters' revenues in this forum.
However, when redirecting same traffic to other affiliate programs, ProfitPlantation proved itself again and again, making the most money per Unique Hit.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Webfather

In that case, you may want to give us a call...
I'm sure that you would be more happy with $50,000 (ask Serge)
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

DialQueen,
how much the most webmaster made with you in 2 weeks payment period?
Serge DialQueen, the podium is yours!

Serge,
You need your own late night talk show!
Forest ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

When was the last time someone prepaid on the net?
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About 15 minutes ago. $25,000

:-))

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

Serge,

Of course we are current.
I don't know who these other guys are, I can only speak for ProfitPlantation.

We have been paying vendors millions of dollars over the last 4 years, feeding the industry from the top down.

Money is not an issue.
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

"When was the last time someone prepaid on the net?

DialerQueen"

July 2000 for me,
I have this date FRAMED in GOLD on my WALL
;-0))

what a difference a year makes!
;-)))
Serge Yale, the podium is yours!

Yale, you have mail, but don't worry about it until after your grilling session here. ;D
ThrobX Adult Income News - Better than pickles in a barrel.

DialQueen,
funny you said that!

I got e-mail from Tyler
http://www.vipdialer.com

Tyler
over the weekend telling me that they finally paid BIG WEBMASTERS for...
JUne!

are you telling us that you are current up todate with YOUR webmasters?
unlike e-mail I got from Tyler whom I send NOTHING???

(I wonder what was the name of the spam list he got me from)

Serge Prepayment???

Webfather,

Recurring expires when surfer does

As you know, the dialer is a piece of software on the surfer's desktop.

Your PIN is programmed into the dialer FOR LIFE. This means, every time one of your referred surfers dials in, YOU GET PAID.


DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Recurring expires when surfer does

OK - here's the deal.

Any webmaster who can prove that he can deliver more then 300 US minutes a day will get prepayment for their traffic!!!

When was the last time someone prepaid on the net?

DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Start making money while you sleep

Because the dialer carries a PIN which is dedicated to the affiliate webmaster, every time a visitor logs into our sites, the referring webmaster gets paid.
**********************************

For how long is this? As you may notice we are having a heated debate about 50/50 programs saying the same thing LAST year and now things are different.

Webfather ProfitPlantation. Start making money while you sleep

If it's $10/minute and there is a $200 cap does that mean they can only surf for 20 minutes or can they surf all day for $200? I made up the $10/min for simplicities sake but I still would like to know what the average per minute charge is.


Ulfie ProfitPlantation. Start making money while you sleep

But what serge, you want prepayment?


DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Start making money while you sleep

3819 answered my question BEFORE I asked it!

People might think we STAGED the show!

I swear to God we have NOT!
;-))
Serge DialerQueen, how competitve you are with your rates?

Taek a look at http://www.profitplantation.com/account_master_report.html

These are real numbers from one of our affiliate accounts.
Look at the value per Unique hit!!!
This is the value for you the webmaster per unique hit!!!
DialerQueen ProfitPlantation. Start making money while you sleep