Jack....thanks for the response. May I suggest "Special pricing" before dumping the customer to a competitor? Seems like that would be a smarter marketing move than handing over a good customer and does not require 20 people....just a better newsletter.
By the way, we don't deduct from our webmasters for chargebacks.
In the 900 scenario, AT&T pays only 45 days after the end of the month. ProfitPlantation factors the money and pays the webmaster every two weeks, regardless of chargebacks and credits.
More often than not, we never get a response. Like most things, you only hear about things when people are really upset. How many times does a person talk about receiving GOOD service as opposed to BAD service? Maybe it would be best to do multiple followups but I don't have a staff of 20-30 people that I can delegate stuff like that too.
Average retention? Depending on our sites, anywhere from 2.5-6 months.
Because the dialer carries a PIN which is dedicated to the affiliate webmaster, every time a visitor logs into our sites, the referring webmaster gets paid.
Surfers love our sites. We keep them coming back by constantly updating and adding new content. We've been doing this for so long - we know how it's done. DialerQueenProfitPlantation. Users are yours
Tue, 17 Jul - 14:05:48 208.63.245.165 Post #: 3785
Ok I'm back from lunch;-) YourPaysite.com is a 50/50 program
(soon to be 60/40 AND per signup + some amazing front ends (end Spam) couldn't resist
I'll tell you what, it has never even occurred to me to try and spam the member database and send them to other sites..... YPS has been around since 96' too so you can imagine... it's so scummy.....
I guess that's why I've been around since 96'
When traffic comes into ProfitPlantation it gets automatically sorted based on the originating country. No other program has a billing solution for over 200 countries.
Our traffic is sorted to a dedicated dialer page, in some cases, in the local language.
The automatic ip lookup (among others) maximizes hits. No country flags, no “click here for…..” The user is being routed to the best billing solution per his country immediately.
Bottom line – Every hit counts!!!
There are some really shady 50/50 programs out there.
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Ulfie....this is true as they have NO MOTIVE to keep them renewing and it is time for them to be exposed. Looks like the scammers are now in
control. But that is about to change!
Webfather
More shit! Calling ALL "sharedprograms" BS..We use some and we don't manage any.. Am I getting ripped off, or maybe I am not watching my traffic?
Don't think so... Wanna do a test? Webdad has been jealous of me since
his lovely wife was nice to me;-)))))
joee, Approved BY MEAT,Aga, Serge and Webdad!
Tue Jul 17 13:02:58 2001 - 12.27.150.246 - message #152788
I could understand a newsletter trying to get surfers to join "another" proggy, but I dont see the reason to run off a paying customer....
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dantheman, like I keep saying.....don't send ANYTHING to paying customers. How many folks belong to more than ONE adult site?
Webfather
Is there a cutoff time like 20 minutes maximum? What are the average per minute charges that the surfer will get hit with? Personally, I've never used dialers because I don't want people running up $2000 phone bills by accessing my sites. If they are implemented in a way that will avoid that I may give them a try.
We support termination points for over 200 countries, which is not something every other program can claim.
Also, we are constantly on the lookout for better paying termination points and will use someone else's terminatin point if they will pay a higer rate. DialerQueenProfitPlantation = get paid for every country
Tue, 17 Jul - 14:00:05 63.90.87.78 Post #: 3777
yeah, but what makes your dialers different from the others?
Serge, thanks for having me. As you know Creedit Cards are no longer the premium billing solution for most of the planet. and that's where we come in.
To make a long post short, we provide a billing solution for all that creditcardless traffic, which accounts for well over %65 of the traffic out there. DialerQueenProfitPlantation = Dialer dollars
Great!
than please share like you do with your mother-
WHY anybody should give them a try?
Serge Yale, the podium is yours!
Tue, 17 Jul - 13:53:04 12.89.182.163 Post #: 3773
We then email them as a followup asking the reasons as to why they quit and invite them to join a competetors site.
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Why not wait for a response BEFORE asking them to join a competitors site?
What do you think of 50/50 programs where they send members a newsletter TRYING to get them to SWITCH to another program??
Is this just innovative shaving or are webmasters AGAIN getting fucked up the ass??
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Webfather,
this is called
good old motherfucking
and whoever does it is a mothefucking scum on the earth.
Serge , ProfitPlantation
Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:58:28 - IP: 12.89.182.31 - Post # 3683
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Let's see how many of the 50/50 program operators want to talk about this.
As our programs are all 60/40 partnerships, we don't bother our paying customers UNTIL they quit. We then email them as a followup asking the reasons as to why they quit and invite them to join a competetors site. Since they've already quit, there's no harm in trying to make one last sale.
As for keeping their emails for future spamming, that's something we just don't do. It will only lead to pissing off your affiliates who in turn provide a good chunk of our business.
As the saying goes, we don't like to shit where we eat.
Jack AVN called us "The Anime & Adult Comic specialists...". Find out why!
Tue, 17 Jul - 13:49:53 192.75.116.16 Post #: 3766
MikeAI,
you are not alone in that boat,
can we start making "me too!" list AFTER Yale's show is over?
;-)))
Serge we shall overcome one day.... ;-)))
Tue, 17 Jul - 13:48:44 12.89.182.163 Post #: 3765
Sorry Serge, my accounting people are getting on ME. IT seems that everyone else has been on time and paying for there services, while some people feel they do not have to pay.
I am hoping JoeE and I can work it out like men, and friends, this way I do not have to turn it over to my attorney and collections people.
Thank-you Mike AI, we love you too! You have paid me the highest of honors. When I think of squeaky clean, funny how your name does not come to mind :-))
So I take it you don't like 50/50 ??:)
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I did not say that. Matter of fact I still get a weekly check from a 50/50 proggy that I stopped sending traffic to in 1999 and a monthly check from one I have not sent traffic to since 1997. Actually the first was was a 75/25 program.
Few on the market are of that caliber cuz most now are too busy FUCKING webmasters.
Tue, 17 Jul - 13:10:53 216.99.199.147 Post #: 3754
Lee, I have held back my opinion of your slander website. While I have dissapointingly only made it up there a few times, I think the very nature of the board is harmful for this indsutry. To be run by someone who has been around, and who considers herself a "leader" and "Playetter" of the industy makes it even sader.
I have to give you some credit, at least you are not going to the boards and posting " Hey, XXXXX - come see what people are saying about you here..."
It is my opinion it is the lowest common denominator influence working again, and you should shut it down - or modify it so it is not just one pile of crap.
I also tend to think that there are not many people on the board, rather you and a few mischief makers trying to make it appear lively.
If you ever find advertisers, I will express my displeasure with them, just like I did Fay on Dusty's board. Of course I cannot see anyone associating with the board.
I still have yet to see any REAL dirt on FM, or CE... we all know he has some... only get a weak comment about a pop-up console...
I would be embarassed by your board, but alas your ethics have never been to high... only your ego.
at 2pm Eastern,
we'll be joined by Yael from Profit Plantation to answer your questions about this new and exciting revenue option converting foreign money into US dollars!
Let's fight US Trade defecit TOGETHER and answer the question of
"What can you do for your country!"
;-))))
What is the exact status of busty amateurs? I have a woman that submits several sites a day to me to review that still have BA banners on them. When you click on them you go to a page that has no way to join but does have a members entrance. This is living proof that webmasters get dumber every day.
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:53:58 208.40.151.247 Post #: 3748
Ulfie brings up another point...recurring programs have to be extra careful about the feeds they have in their member areas. Any feed company that has upsells to another paysite gets the boot.
I strongly encourage anybody that is going to send to a recurring program to JOIN the site they are advertising for. That few bucks investment will pay off in lost misery...
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:51:24 24.177.208.229 Post #: 3747
Did people really lose their recurrings?
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Brad, did you notice I was one of the few to even raise this issue and I have nothing at stake? I think this prooves just how stupid webmasters are getting. They are getting fucked in the ass and since they are making more than they would at Burger King.....they are not even UPSET!
Newbies get burned the worst on these programs because they buy into the notion that they are going to make a fortune off each signup. After they realize it rarely happens they have wasted a lot of time and traffic but are a little wiser.
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:44:49 208.63.245.165 Post #: 3742
There are some really shady 50/50 programs out there.
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Ulfie....this is true as they have NO MOTIVE to keep them renewing and it is time for them to be exposed. Looks like the scammers are now in control. But that is about to change!
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:43:18 208.63.245.165 Post #: 3741
Webfather, how does the T-Bird handle? I'm curious because it's supposed to be on the same frame, same engine/transmission, dash layout as the Lincoln LS and Jag S-Type. My wife has an LS and loves it. I think its great but the steering is a bit too sensitive and I dont like the brakes. But all in all handles and feels alot like a 5 series bmw. The sound system is excellent. I was really surprised Lincoln built a car that can compete with the European models so well. Did your T-birds come with 2 tops?
Shok cell phone cash
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:40:57 64.6.39.81 Post #: 3740
DJ.....Did you notice how quiet the 50/50 operators got? They think silence is golden. I guess they are taking marketing tipe from Gary Condin!!
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Tmorrow,
1 pm eastern,
we gonna have the 27 cream of the crop of 50/50 site operators
making the point why they are right
people to trust and Webfathers numbers are NOT!
;-)))
There are some really shady 50/50 programs out there. I signed up for one recently and I violated one of my own rules in doing so. I didn't join the site before promoting it. I sent a bunch of joins and NONE recurred. When I finally joined the site I found out why. All the video feeds were free ones with upsells, the content was lame and there wasn't much of it, etc. Basically, encourage the surfer to cancel and then start e-mailing them about this great site we found. Good deal for the site owner, they made 1.75 and they got the e-mail address that they can spam forever. Bad deal for the webmaster since they make $1.77 for someone that actually did whip out the credit card. It's not a bad business model if you are an effective spammer.
Lee Noga , Somebody had to get the dirt out in this business, ya rather Luke Ford do it?
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Lee, for the old times sake,
will you come here and post when you have a dirt on me at your place???
;-)))
Serge Ulfie, check this out!
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:35:11 12.89.182.3 Post #: 3736
Webfather, any recurring program that spams their active member database with offers to join OTHER paysites is a scam, plain and simple. Can you name names?
Diamond Jim , When only the best will do...
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DJ.....Did you notice how quiet the 50/50 operators got? They think silence is golden. I guess they are taking marketing tipe from Gary Condin!!
I think it would be easier to list the programs that don't do that. Glad you are one of them!
But yes, I agree, they are SCUMBUCKETS and I suggest ANYONE involved in a 50/50 program do their own fucken homework.
Glad to see I'm not the only movie buff around these parts!
Ulfie - we're "tidying" things up with the "behind the scenes" code on this board before we "turn on" the newbies board - this way we don't have to do twice the work... but it IS coming soon - perhaps even before the weekend! Stay Tuned! EddCharlie don't surf!
Tue, 17 Jul - 12:29:48 63.100.104.10 Post #: 3733
You know what THE most important thing is once a salesman makes the sale?? SHUT UP and take the order!!
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Did Oyster Daddy just crap a pearl wisdom, Serge? I think so!
Webfather, any recurring program that spams their active member database with offers to join OTHER paysites is a scam, plain and simple. Can you name names?
Diamond Jim , When only the best will do...
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Webfather, any recurring program that spams their active member database with offers to join OTHER paysites is a scam, plain and simple. Can you name names?
Long time listener first time poster;-)
What's up gang!!
WebFather T-Bird is a sweet ride what year are you interested in?
I have to spend my day going after an advertiser who jacked us for $5k UGH!! What a nightmare... Andy AYourPaysite.com
Tue, 17 Jul - 11:50:22 65.32.189.26 Post #: 3720
Ok, movie buffs - I hate to go all off topic and stuff with so much great discussion here, but I just wanted to toss out this link - If you thought the "Planet of the Apes" remake was the movie to see this summer - I've got some news for you..... http://www.miramax.com/apocalypsenow/
22 years after the fact we get the 203 Minute EPIC Coppola MEANT for it to be, but couldn't release!
Serge, I did not write that post by MsLeeFuckingNoga", its a "cross dresser" LOL. My skin is so thick it provides me shade, you can leave the post, who cares.
As for sponsors on http://www.fuckedmaster.com we have not asked for any. We will not allow just any sponsor, big cartel top 2% will be discriminated against, we will work with mid level and new companies only :-)
Big cartel need to save their money to sue me for slander [rofl].
"...and when you drop dead,
I'll come to your funeral
wearing a RED dress"
;-)))
(---Moonstruck)
Serge , No dead bodies or suffocating birdies there! ;-)))
Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:02:44 - IP: 12.89.182.3 - Post
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Yea but Serge will u wear Pumps??
Forest phone4free.com
Tue, 17 Jul - 11:05:32 216.201.0.34 Post #: 3710
Hey Mojo, good to see you posting again.
Mojo,John. whats the deal with cell phone sutff. fill me in :)
Ok is it just me or is Netpond blocking certain url's?
Censorship or protecting its borders?
anyone else haveing problems posting certain links?
Forest
Tue Jul 17 10:43:32 2001 - 216.201.0.34 - message #152764
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This will probibly get my IP address blocked...
Tue, 17 Jul - 10:57:54 208.63.245.165 Post #: 3706
BPJ,
how do your programs work with adult traffic?
Serge
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Because our demographics are completely different than adult (adult = 95% MALE; PWeb= 90% FEMALE), conversions on adult traffic isn't too hot. So, if you have traffic that is predominately WOMEN, you will be astounded by the conversions! Also, some people with targetted domain traffic (like psychic/horoscope/tarot-related domains), are doing better than 1:100 consistantly!
BUT, you never know..... our mouse-trap is very good and the "curiosity factor" many times is enough to convert some adult traffic, so it is worth trying because we are a pay-per-signup proggy!
They can't block ALL domains we have between us to use as redirects
;-))
let me ask you a 64,000 question:
are they worth my time?
if they trying to do what soviets tryed unsucessfully to keep their people inside their borders-
it's up to them,
soviet experiment didn't work too well
;-)))
I could understand a newsletter trying to get surfers to join "another" proggy, but I dont see the reason to run off a paying customer....
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dantheman, like I keep saying.....don't send ANYTHING to paying customers. How many folks belong to more than ONE adult site?