yes, exactly, what are yoooooooooouuuuuuuu doing????
;-)))
Serge is where the directory of services is

the problems are easy to identify.

its finding the solution that is hard.
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JR I could not have said it better. Though I think parents should still parent and not turn over their responsibilities to a TV, or the Internet!

Damn its late.... what am I still doing up??


Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

the reality is that millions of people did nothing as images of genocide in Bosnia were beamed right into their living room.
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these things do not directly affect everyone. i mean the average person does not really have time to worry about an infinate number of problems around the globe, when he cannot get an erection in Mousefart Kansas.

however, many people want to regulate the adult web, from people who are just concerned about their children to the Attorney General and President. that will effect everyone here in one way or another.

it is everyones problem. but no one is even willing to concede that there may be a problem, much less, concede to finding a solution that may be more advantageous than the ones that will be imposed on you as a result of your unwillingness to do so yourselves.

JR well, ok.... actually i am an actor and porn just pays the bills until i catch my break... at Dairy Queen where i am the assistant night manager.

Even if ICANN approved it and adult sites were required to use it. It reminds me of the ghettos of Nazi Germany.
Put them all together in one place and they're easier to get rid of.
Just my .02
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not that i do not feel there is some validity to this point but what about doing nothing??

the adult world has proposed no real solutions to preventing a child in a library to going to a site like the huns and looking at a woman fucking a great dane.

"its the parents problem" is a common response from the adult industry. probably the most common. But is it the most responsible? It is an answer that shows that you agree that a young child should not have free access to porn?

i do not agree that it is the parents problem. i do not agree that a child should need to be monitored 24/7 while taking advantage of one of the greatest learning tools we will see in our lifetimes.

as i have said before... no one considers putting Hustler magazine behind the counter, censorship or considers it the parents problem...

no one objects to a 14 year old boy not being allowed into a strip club.

no one objects to a law forbidding the sales of cigarrettes to minors, or asking for valid ID

but suddenly, according to most, it is no ones problem when a child can look at your tgp galleries.

Solutions to these issues are or WILL BE imposed on the adult industry because for the most part, the adult industry does not care.

The adult industry has failed to police itself and is flooded with thieves, liars, scam artists all chasing a quick buck... because on the web, scams pay for themselves instantly.

the problems are easy to identify.

its finding the solution that is hard.

now we are comparing the notion that a child should not need to be monitored when he accesses to Internet to the extermination of Jews???

wow.

JR well, ok.... actually i am an actor and porn just pays the bills until i catch my break... at Dairy Queen where i am the assistant night manager.

Yep very true, from a young age, my dad always taught me history, and said Never Again, refering to the deaths of millions of jewish ppl in WWII
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Sounds nice, but the reality is that millions of people did nothing as images of genocide in Bosnia were beamed right into their living room. This is very recent history. Complacency and non-intervention became a huge problem after Vietnam.
Yup, when people say we shouldn't be the "policeman of the world," we need bring them back to the world of brutal realities that are no better exemplified than in the WWII atrocities.
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Hi,
Yep very true, from a young age, my dad always taught me history, and said Never Again, refering to the deaths of millions of jewish ppl in WWII
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Even if ICANN approved it and adult sites were required to use it. It reminds me of the ghettos of Nazi Germany.
Put them all together in one place and they're easier to get rid of.
Just my .02

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Excellent post Red... you understand history ..... those who don't are doomed to repeat it!
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Webfather -

Something I noticed a long time ago and have been meaning to tell you, but rarely saw you around...

On your webmastering.com site you talk about the difference between 50% or 1/2 and the following fractions:

500,000/1,000,000
750,000/1,500,000
5,000,000/10,000,000
232/464
2,523/5046
34,476,872,432/17,238,216

Those all look great except for of course the last one which would be an improper fraction.. something like 4 9999/10000...

It should probably be:
34,476,872,432 / 68,953,744,864

Then again, maybe you did it on purpose to prove your point about "SIMPLICITY!!" ;))

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Serge / Mike -

I think you're missing one of the most important rules of all...

5) no cockholsters


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Even if ICANN approved it and adult sites were required to use it. It reminds me of the ghettos of Nazi Germany. Put them all together in one place and they're easier to get rid of.
Just my .02

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Excellent post Red... you understand history ..... those who don't are doomed to repeat it!
Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

MadCat... quality is great & quantity is great... but sometimes the keys to success are much more obvious than they appear.

$$$ is not always the key ;-)
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MadCat you couldn't have said it better.

It’s quality not quantity.

I've looked at it that way for as long as I can remember.


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Sheer hypocracy to be charging your clients $20 to bag a name dropping while you're blocking them from their accounts where they could reg for $15. And how come they're abusers but you can turn your servers to the same task.... hammering the same registry for compensation and not be an abuser yourself ???
Gordon Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

Gord,

Webfather.. domain speculators chew up bandwidth . tie up resources so bad that they choke the registry every am between 4:30 and 8


Sorry you don't agree but its a business decision . if I need to block out 250 abusers for the sake of the stability of the system for the tens of thousands of other clients .. then so be it. I should have cleared this decision with you first??
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No but maybe you should have cleared it with the 250 people you blocked including myself. I always thought it was volume delays but now find I was blocked deliberately. While you were taking my money. Nowhere did you disclose this. And that my friend smacks of sheer fraud. NOt to mention the names I lost in the drops.

Rick I think its time to have a talk with Howard about this !!
Gordon Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

Just testing
Red Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

I've been very quiet during this entire .sex discussion, but here are my feelings on it. Why would we want it? Even if ICANN approved it and adult sites were required to use it. It reminds me of the ghettos of Nazi Germany. Put them all together in one place and they're easier to get rid of.
Just my .02

Red Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

Gord

I regged an expired name on 14th June only for someone else to reg it on the 29th with a different registrar!

After 4 emails I finally got the totally unacceptable reply of "you obviously didnt get the name". You obviously didnt is more like it, despite 2 mails telling you that the whois needed updating.

I would like the name back not the $15 re-credited to my account.

Also I wouldnt mind knowing the success rate at the registration service for $20 a pop.


stouch Mutt, please send Ed the site you wanna be posted there

talking of talkradio I really think their should be an Oprano Radio Show with Serge/Mike & guests, think of the extra ad revenue :)

Jason Mutt, please send Ed the site you wanna be posted there

thanks Serge i will send Edd my button tomorrow.

Serge messageboards are much like talk radio. 99% of people who listen to talk radio never make a phonecall. Probably 70% of the people who read these boards never post.
mutt Mutt, please send Ed the site you wanna be posted there

I have a candidate...it's from e-mail,
therefore I can't give the name,
we can atribute it to
unKNown

confession:
I went and 'lurked' but was too afraid to post!!!!
I'll be back though and try to actually post next time.
thanks for the link...


are you telling me folks are not affraid to enroll in the army and scared to death to POST?????????

there is no board in the universe where I would be affraid posting.

how people be scared of typing few lines????

I don't get it....

the words are mightier of the sward?

unreal!
Serge Mutt, please send Ed the site you wanna be posted there

I was looking through the piss for the first nominee for the Moron board Serge but I really didn't see one. Maybe this board is too smart.
Closest I could find was Gord telling Grim he didn't do that backward dance whatever the fuck that means.

Mike I don't have ICQ. Had it but got rid of it. I'll install it again some day.
mutt In FTC I trust......

do we have any Hall of Morons nominations?
Serge In FTC I trust......

Mutt do you have ICQ?? If so why aren't you on my list?

Off to dinner with 2 of my 3 partners in DirectNIC We have to go to Wendys, but we can super size. I bet if we sold domain extensions that did not exist, we could afford to go some place nice like the Foundation Room in the House Of Blues....


Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

yeah i shouldn't get off on a father and son fighting. It is pretty sad.
i am sorry.
mutt Freshest of the Fresh!

HAHAHA I like that Brad the .POT domains... Think they would go up in smoke!
Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Let me be clear here. I like Robin Nixon, I think Robin Nixon had more innovations then 99.99% on the NET ( not just adult part)

He was ahead of his time, and all the things below that people posted are true. But he was fighting an impoosible battle...

I beleive I called these domain extaniosn Vapor back then too!

Mutt - I saw those other posts on the board - kinda freaky.

And YES I give Gord props for stopping by and paying Oprano.com a visit. Though there is no real home court advantage here for anyone. No posts will be deleted unless the violate one of the few rules we have...


Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Wow what a great piss! Gotta give Gord credit for duking it out on Mike's turf. But .sex is really snake oil.

As good as this piss was the most surreal thing I've seen on the boards in a long time is Dusty. You guys remember his senile musings about this idiot adult son of his named El Presidente? Well El Presidente showed his face on the boards for the first time and he's calling his old man a thief and Dusty's playing it all for sympathy.
Fuck I love the drama of it all. This is Death of A Porno Salesman.

Well the first father and son piss didn't happen on Oprano but we'll get over it.

Guys it's fun debating this industry
and making predictions but all of us know it's a fucking beast that has a life of its own and nobody is powerful enough to change its destiny whatever it is.

MORON BOARD IS LIVE!!! http://www.oprano.com/morons.html
mutt directnic.

I think comparing what Robin tried to achieve 2 years ago with the current scams by so many is way off.

trailblazer vs opportunists

BIG difference!
Webfather directnic.

Yeah robin also FULLY DISCLOSED the way his system worked. With detailed instructions and warnings about the validity of the domains..


grimm directnic.

Serge, the FTC has made SEVERAL public statements about the SCAMS that are going on in reference to new UNAPPROVED extensions.

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the Truth will set him Free....
Honest Serge Sharpie, have fun and sign to all 48 sposnsor programs! ;-)))

Ulfie....he charges $20 per domain. No refunds....no guarantee of success.

Webfather Sharpie, have fun and sign to all 48 sposnsor programs! ;-)))

this is not my problem, sweety,
I put the directory at the entrance,
I haven't seen buildings with directories in the upper floors
;-)))

there are 1100 clicks a day to the front page
http://oprano.com
(probably redirects from
http://ynottoppond.com domain)

the directory is NOT
Fire Exit Sign,
I think we'll get away without having it here,
per National Building Code
;-)))

Honest Serge Sharpie, have fun and sign to all 48 sposnsor programs! ;-)))

The papers are with WIPO, they will determine the validity of the case.
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Lee.....not true. The system is not in charge when there is a conflict of interest. I have been fighting this sort of cyberbullies for years and for a registrar to engage in it is out of line!

The tactic is to go after those that are not able to defend themselves financially and the BULLY wins by default. THAT is the strategy here and it is WRONG!


Webfather If I was not a pain in the ass, I would be cure for a cold

Serge, the FTC has made SEVERAL public statements about the SCAMS that are going on in reference to new UNAPPROVED extensions.

I believe this is a very high priority.

Webfather If I was not a pain in the ass, I would be cure for a cold

Now WebFather, you are becoming crunch in my chocolate bar..there is a thin line between "assisting" and "bullying back"...:-))

The papers are with WIPO, they will determine the validity of the case. Let the system decide, in the event an appeal is warranted for dotsex, then thats a different offering of support.

My .02 cents plus prime :-))
Lee Noga If I was not a pain in the ass, I would be cure for a cold

Grimm said "Gorf.."

Now THERE was an asskickin' videogame!

Fay, basically, Robin's .whatever domains are the same thing as Gord's: vaporware. But at least Robin had those giveaway days, I loaded up on them JUST IN CASE. But I never spent a dime on one, that just seemed foolish to me. Free speculation is one thing, but if I have to invest money, I'll invest it in MYSELF first.

ThrobX Even a big boy like MikeAI might want to win these prizes.

Ulfie, it is DISGUSTINGLY true!

And WRONG!!

See how he RAN away when I asked for some NUMBERS??

I am not sure what he charges.....but give me a few minutes and I will find out.

Webfather Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

BINGO Fay... they are the same thing. I made the same comments when Robin was doing this.

Of course Robin had a few free days he GAVE THEM AWAY, also Robin did this 2 years ago... at least he was innovative in taking peoples money! haha


Mike AI , Freshest of the Fresh!
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MikeAI, Webfather,
if you two consistently post what I post
BUT
3 seconds later, than you,
what the fuck am I doing here?????

bye-bye, ciao, sionara, too-loo,
I'm out of here!


Honest Serge Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

joee dumps the ball down low to mikeai, seems to be covered so he
kicks back out to joee at 3-point range..serge steps up but the pure
point guard kicks it back to ai for
2 off the glass and a possible 3
with the foul by webdad;-)))))
joee Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

I am going to start selling .pot domains, I figure they should sell well at the shows.

Evan.pot is already taken, sorry.
Brad Shaw Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

Serge, I don't see any links to the new areas from this board. Anyone who has bookmarked just the chat board aren't going to see them or know how to get there? I had a good laugh at them when I came in :-)

That is what I thought Mike... yet Robin's name is bandied about like he was something special to the community.

Sharpie Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

Not to continue the beatongordathon but is it true that the expired domains they are selling aren't gaurenteed. That's what I gathered from Webfathers posts.


Ulfie Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

May I ask (what is probably a dumb question) as I am not very teckie? What is the difference between Gords .sex domains and the domains that Robin was selling?

Sharpie
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Sharpie,
the question is not stupid at all.

The way I see it,
Robin's idea was an experiment wich proved that the idea wasn't ready or any good without ICANN support.

tryed, failed, next!

what Gord does now is NOT an experiment at all,
but being a very curious fella,
I'd rather ask and get the answer from the ALIVE horse's mouth-
F T C


Honest Serge Gord, how legal your sales realy are?

Gord....until today I kept my personal feelings private. When YOU made that post about your wipo suit against dotsex.com......THAT crossed the line. THAT will be your Waterloo. THAT will be the BIGGEST mistake among MANY that you have made and highlights your other activities that are raising questions about your credibility.

MikeAI.....we have a "Defense fund" for occassions like this and I am trying to get in touch with the owner of dotsex.com so he won't be intimidated into giving up something that rightfully belongs to him.

Webfather Freshest of the Fresh!

BINGO Fay... they are the same thing. I made the same comments when Robin was doing this.

Of course Robin had a few free days he GAVE THEM AWAY, also Robin did this 2 years ago... at least he was innovative in taking peoples money! haha


Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Guys,
I'm gona beat around the
"dead gord" or "dead horse" issue no more,
because I just saw the magnificcent work Ed have done and added unique departments to the Orano at
http://www.oprano.com/

Lee,
can you imagine you made it today to Pearls???

yestraday's entire night conversation condenced into 6"?

THe VIRGIN moron's section???

check it out and have fun!
;-))

Serge In FTC I trust......

May I ask (what is probably a dumb question) as I am not very teckie? What is the difference between Gords .sex domains and the domains that Robin was selling?

Sharpie Freshest of the Fresh!

Webfather, I am not sure what Sig's opinion is. DirectNIC has a few staff attornies, but I am not sure what our standing would be to intervene.

It makes no sense to me, people fighting over thing air...


Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Gord is an enemy of THE MAN, fighting for the people

And Gord..oprano will not censor you, but you should consider censoring yourself:)
grimm directnic.

Recently Icann (9/2000) decided to accept applications for new gTLD's, however, they decided only to implement rather inane gTLD's, not alleviating the crowded .com market, and the lack of good names within.

We have decided to arbitrarily offer these new TLD's, as a method of expanding the name space, as it currently exists.

Basically, our position is that Icann did not wish to allow these names into the name space, and we have through an alternate dns system, provided the mechanisms to do that.

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HAHAHA this is funny stuff.... ICANN did not release .xxx and .sex so Gord has taken it upon himself to do what is right??

Is he doing what is right?? OR what he can pocket the most money on???

hahaha Gord stop stealing peoples $$$ give people full refunds on .sex and .xxx !!!
Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Sig is also the CEO of Directnic:)
grimm directnic.

yeah sick em sig:)
grimm directnic.

MikeAI....at the risk of spending YOUR money.....may I suggest that Sig answer the wipo complaint in behalf of dotsex.com just so GORD does not get away with this CRAP!


:-))

Webfather Freshest of the Fresh!

Oh and gord if the WIPO lawsuit is private why do you have a press release about it on your website??

http://www.domainnamesystems.com/PressRel_07102001.html

Most people I know who want to keep things private do NOT make press releases! hahaha
Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Gord,
I know you are a busy business man with lots of concience
and doing good is for humanity is your only motive....

what is
Federal Trade Comission take on your business practices?
Honest Serge Gord, how legal your salesrealy are?

Grimm not knocking ya...

I would love to be able to sell a product that has no overhead - all of that money goes straight to Gord's bottom line. He must be doing well, he can afford some nice clothes...


Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

and as far as ICANN goes, Gord. If you were evena blip on the radar, and went through the process of accreditation, you would see what they look at.

But of course you wouldn't even attempt since your goal is obviously not to be a legitimate business.

Should have just stuck to what you were good at.
grimm directnic.

Nite all ... :)
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And look who is talking about running away. You are PATHETIC!!

Webfather Gord's .sex Domains

hmmmm....
why when I mention FTC,
people with brown fingers in the morning split like somebody farted???

Gord,
you think FTC might close you down?

c'mon, they do not monitor this board and you are safe here,
tell them that you just been Opranoed
;-))
Honest Serge Gord's .sex Domains

That's right Gord...call it a night.

If you cannot defend your product or even your position, go spend time with your family. There is much remaining to be discussed about the snake oil sham you are running.

And Mike...my ethics are pretty good;) just not spotless. I do fair deals with the people i do business with.



I would be willing to bet that .sex has boosted your numbers quite a bit. Which would make what was once a miniscule mom and pop registrar soemthing into a somewhat small theif.

Take the money and run right? doesn't work that way Gord.
grimm directnic.

The morals of selling a product that does not exist?? How "moralistic" is that... I think the word you are looking for is ETHICAL.
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I think we can piss about that one for a week. I give you credit Gord.....even I am not good enough to sell something that does not and may NEVER exist. But then again I am not into scams. Maybe I am wrong.....but that nis the way it looks from the outside. Especially when you charge for grabbing domains on hold and REFUSE to make public your success record. I mean if you cherge first, don't give refunds, don't you think the RIGHT thing to do is tell the customer his odds of getting a domain via YOUR system??

Instead of being all emotional.....why not talk NUMBERS. In case you haven't heard.....numbers I trust....people I don't.

:-))



Webfather directnic.

Webfather...I haven't even gotten to that yet. Not only is it bullshit and a bully tactic (a la sex.com) it is also SO counterproductive to his business it isnt even funny

My only idea of why is that maybe he needs a tax writeoff when his business fails?
grimm directnic.

HAHAH unlike Grimm, I do stand by my business ethics.

You try to dangle a carrot for the people here to doubt my ethics, but deleiver nothing but rhetoric.

"and the BEST part is that .. you REALLY have no idea what I am laughing about .. "

None of us do Gord... dymentia?
Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

actually I kinda liked that too

the hotdog stand of domain registrars..

pretty funny stuff.

Nite all ... :)
Gord Gord's .sex Domains

How many suckers, err I mean clients have bought .sex domains from you?

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MikeAI,
what kind of a stupid question is that?

Gord, please tell ignorant MikeAI that due to law suit,
the party you sue is going to do a discovery and all your numbers will become public record and we'll know the truth.

Do you legally disclose your clients that they might lose ALL the money they pay you for your .sex domains?

Have amnybody complained FTC
http://www.ftc.gov about you?

what are your plan of actions if this Government Body is gonna ask you for hard answers how your business run?

Geez,
MikeAI, let Gord some breathing space here,
and answer my easy questuions first.
Honest Serge Gord's .sex Domains

I love how Gord defends his product.

Attack my credentials, Ill call you a homo.

you should write a fucking book

grimm directnic.

Mike ..

Interesting you should talk about ethics and morals .. rofl

if you only knew ...

and the BEST part is that .. you REALLY have no idea what I am laughing about ..

you might want to examine your own backyard

I've said enough ..

Its been fun pissing in your direction.. but its family time now.
Laters!


Gord Freshest of the Fresh!

Gord, a porn convention??? That would be against morals correct??

Thanks for the offer, but I am a one homo man, I am sticking to Chris Porn0man!! he is good to me... and he does not sell fake dreams to people.


gord - the hot dog stand of domain registrars. catchy slogan Grimm!
Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

As to the WIPO thats really none of your business.. I have my positions and I intend to back them up with the same processes that are available to you, when you cry foul on people who do you wrong.
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Gee Gord....WHO brought it to the public attention?? YOU DID!! It was your business til you made it public. I think funding THEIR defense will be fun just so you don't get away with what you are trying to pull. IT'S WRONG what you are doing and you SHOULD back off. That's how I view it and I bet MANY others view it the same way.

And is there a reason you are scared to answer about your domain grabbing system that just looks like a ripoff to me. What is your success ratio????

Grimm, give him credit for stupidity.....I have NEVER seen a businessman OPENLY tell so many customers that they are not wanted. That is insane! Usually you only say such things privately. :-))

As for my contributions.....I retired in 1998. This is just a hobby.




Webfather directnic.

Gord...SOME registrations?:) good laugh man, i din't know you had a sense of humor:)

I do not stand by morals and standards, I stand by good successful business. My ethics ain't perfect, but I am not hoisting myself up on them like you do. I do not tout my "personal service" I tout my goddam good support:)

I don't inflate my business with bullshit ego and bully tactics. I don't fuck over people on a daily basis by selling them a product that does not exist.


grimm directnic.

hahaha ..

life in Vegas at a porn convention with no sleep ..

those eyes should be redder than they are.


but then .. the only one that has ever said anything about my attire or appearance is you ..

something there interest ya boy?? Sorry I don't do the backward dance
Gord Freshest of the Fresh!

A debate about morals Gord??

The morals of selling a product that does not exist?? How "moralistic" is that... I think the word you are looking for is ETHICAL.

In my opinion it is unethical for someone to sell something which they do not have.

Just like some posted earlier about websites ripping off surfers, you are jacking webmasters with fools gold.

ICANN Certification takes more than traffic.... ICANN evaluates people based on many aspects and one of those include business ethics. Would not want to give the keys to the ICANN database to people who are unethical and could do naughty things.




Mike AI Freshest of the Fresh!

Gord,
as a regular Opranist,
I don't give a fuck about anything,
so, tell me your side of the story, son.

can you do it in 3 mins and 4 lines tops?
Serge no gording, no hoarding, no carting, no farting

Gord...do you like avoiding questions? using words like "hawkster"?:)

Gorf..you are one to talk about being Full of yourself. You run what is tantamount to a hot dog stand in the world of domain registrars. Not that it isn't something that you shouldn't be proud of;)

But the questions to be answered are:

Where are you an "accredited registrar" at.

Why are you pushing a bullshit lawsuit, you have no chance of winning, other than by default

How do you sell extensions with no governing body, no protection against fraud, no guarantee that the product will even fly? where are the ethics in that you tout your ethics, where are they?


grimm Project Webmaster

Grimm ..

fuck you :))

You guys managed to get some registrations because you had some traffic ..

stop holding yourself out as being something you aren't ..

this is too laughable .. some imbecilic wannabees telling us how to run our business.

lets talk about the people behind DirectNic .. and their morals and standards ..

cut the horseshit .. you don't have a podium to stand on .. and your high horse left a long time ago.
Gord Make money with OLD school!

Gord, calm down... need some oxygen or something??

You have a nice little niche going, a boutique doman name registrar. Enjoy it for what it is, but don't go around talking smack about your much larger competitors.

Again, my only issue with you is in my opinion you are STEALING from people - taking good money for a product that does not exist yet, and may never exist. How many suckers, err I mean clients have bought .sex domains from you?

Do you sleep well at night knowing you take these people money for vapor domains??

I heard a rumor you are selling "Magic Beans" on your site next... I know a guy Jack who may be interested in buying some, but that is about it.


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Later...

have a great weekend everyone... leave some fish for me.

;-)



SunTzu No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

Mutt -

PayCounter was hatched and development began just after that show... May of 1999.. So I'd guess it was either April or May of 1999.
KC No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

and yet more riffraff comes out of the woodwork ..


Gord No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

"" When did Sless come around??

Mike, I think SLess started around the time of Montreal convention. Thats when i was introduced to him by Dave PureH. And their sites took off there after.

now when was that convention?
Slavdogg No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

I see all the egotists coming out of the woodwork today ..


Rick..

So what exactly have you contributed to the online world Rick? Your posts read like a hawkster, and when you get called on the carpet you run away , or add a "membership" segment. Seems to me your ass was getting roasted pretty good on your own board not too long ago.

You certainly are full of yourself, DNS was built without a nickel from you in the form of registration fees, where do you get the gall to insinuate that because you don't do business with me, that it is important to the world at large?? Tens of thousands of clients have already made the decision to use DNS without contacting you first, and we service them very well thank you.

I haven't been letting domain speculators abuse our systems for well over a year now, suddenly NOW it becomes an issue?

They don't show registrar loyalty, they eat up bandwidth like crazy hammering the crap out of systems at wee hours of the morning, so they can scoop someones name in the hopes of reselling it to them. Their drop ratios are high as well. We prefer to service clients who will be with us for a long period of time.

We have the resources, we just don't want 3% of the clientele taking 97% of the resources. We feel that our European clients have as much right to access our system during those times, without being bottlenecked. We have sufficient systems in place .. your argument is pure crap. See how fast Tucows runs at that time of day .. they have more resources than us. Slower than molasses..


Rick, your claim to fame is that you managed to have a bit of foresight and grabbed some good names a few years ago. What have you done since, besides preach your own nearsighted prophecies? I think maybe you've been out of touch a bit ..

As far as leaving people in a lurch, I think you'd better explain that comment in a more concise manner. I have no idea what you mean, nor have we left anyone in a lurch to my knowledge.

As to the WIPO thats really none of your business.. I have my positions and I intend to back them up with the same processes that are available to you, when you cry foul on people who do you wrong.

But a cyber bully.. now that is just too rich. Simply because we register names voids our rights to secure what we believe is our business, and our interests therein? Thats a completely ludicrous statement..

might make good fodder for your pulpit at your web board .. but thats the extent of it..



Gord No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

WebFather... with some of the domains you own, it would be impossible to fly under the radar forever...

;-)

But it is possible to start operating in stealth mode today. It is never too late. Btw, have you made that acquisition yet? The one I emailed you to help you finish your collection.


There are secret stealers everywhere.
There are idea leeches here and there.
They always steal until there's no gold left.
Thieves that have mastered the art of theft.


Which makes more sense?

Telling the world you found a goldmine, then trying to protect it.

or

No one ever knowing that YOUR goldmine exists.

If you ask...

tell them you went looking for a goldmine, but only found a landmine...

;-)


SunTzu No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

http://www.ynottoppond.com/vegas/p6280056.jpg

HAHAHA See gord we love you so much we have pictures of you. You look like a very dignified business man!

Good luck with .sex I am sure you will keep finding new suckers!! Free money bevause you don't haev to pay ANYONE for .SEX since there is no governing body!!

What a business plan!!!
Mike AI No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

so how about those mets?:)
grimm directnic.

Vick...

I am also in Baltimore. Small world. Downtown Baltimore & Downtown DC are two great places to unwind... which is what I'll be doing in a few hours.




SunTzu directnic.

And fuck that bullshit of not attending to prospectors. a client is a client, treat them as such.

Grow up.
grimm directnic.

SunTzu sometimes I wish I stayed in "Stealth mode" :-))

Webfather Project Webmaster

Gord..have you gotten too much sun? Been smoking too much herb?:)

you actually think domainnamesystems is even close to the size of directnic?

How many employees do you have?
Clients?
Are you ICANN accredited?
How many domains have you sold?

Does anyone outside of netpond even know you exist?

I am sure you make yourself a tidy little bit of money, and maybe you even run a tight ship, but to put yourself in the league of real, accredited business is nothing more than lying

Your site says you are an "accredited Registrar"

Accredited by whom? Answer the Question.

How big is your support staff? Mike doesnt need to personally hold the hand of every client for that top notch "personal service" you offer the top 4 or 5% of your clients, because we have a large staff to accomodate ALL of our customers needs. Big or small. We do business fair and in a direct and honest fashion. We dont go pushing bullshit lawsuits to try to make ourselves into a bigger fish, we grow like any other business through expansion with new products and services, good marketing and good support.

Bullies are nothing more than little boys who want to be big men but can't get there using will or intelligence.


grimm Project Webmaster

Vick...

you're right...it is important to educate newbies/affiliates...which fits hand in glove with my overall statement.

Even in the nightclub industry, you must educate the people passing out flyers and warn them against spamming cars, lightposts, removing competitors flyers, etc...

there are rules in every game and training is essential. But are people in this industry training beyond affiliate marketing tactics... yes... I see it everyday. And then these same people complain that their revenue is dwindling... ohhh... must be the market... or the weather... or nasdaq... or... maybe it's all the birds you took under your wing... that are stealing your worms today.

Same thing happened in the domain industry.

If you have an opportunity to tap into a new revenue stream, share it with others, perhaps a select few, grow your affiliate base, train your soldiers, lead them to battle...

...don't tell everyone where your arsenal is hidden.

Effective Affiliate Marketing School = Wise

Potential Competitor Breeding School = Stupid


SunTzu Make money with OLD school!

By the way , how long is your hair?
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It's close to 3ft. I have to keep it up otherwise I sit on it :)
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Well that took longer than I thought ..

but the verbage was what I expected. Thats the best you can do??..
contrary to your own inflated egotistical beliefs .. no one cares about your opinion .. least of all me. Add $1 to your opinion and you have something of value .. at least you can buy a cup of coffee with it.

Tell ya what .. why don't I just buy you out .. I'll give you the same per domain name registered amount Registrars.com got from NetSol..

where would you like your $30 check sent to??

and if, as you claim, you don't KNOW the day to day operations .. then stop posting bullshit ya moron. You toss "facts" out then can't substantiate them .. you can't even substantiate the stats you throw out about your own company .. what makes you even think that you know anything about mine.

National Enquirer has a spot open for you ...


Gord Make money with OLD school!

Using "Bully Tactics" is as effective as shooting yourself in the foot. You reap what you sow.

WebFather, you really should go register "BullyTactics.com" so you can speak your mind.

;-)

jk

but I did reserve it to use in the domain industry.

SunTzu Make money with OLD school!

SunTzu - Good Post - The only good arguement I ever heard for educating "newbies"
is to prevent wrongful acts from happening
Hotlinking, stealing, search engine spamming etc .....

If the industry did not reward these acts monetarily this would not be a concern


BTW I am in Baltimore
DC has great clubs
Vick Make money with OLD school!

We break new sales records _everyday_ .. so I guess our dinosaur approach model is working. Hows the value of your domain holdings holding up?? :))
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That is just funny......I am sure you break records everyday.....but that is only because you have been in business a short time. (Less than 2 years)

You preached to get these domain guys and then you left them in the lurch. If you don't have the resources whos problem is that? Funny that you BLAME your own customers for YOUR inadequacy and lack of resources.

On one hand you complain about them then you turn around and you charge folks for getting domains on hold and then don't even provide the service!! What is your ratio of success?? Maybe you should tell domain guys BEFORE you collect their money. Oh yeah....i forgot.....you don't want them anyway.

As for my domain holdings.....I am sure the net worth of my domains could buy and sell DNS MANY times over.

My main issue with you is that RIDICULOUS wipo suit. It is wrong, you have a conflict of interest and it is business decisions like that which is why I can't and won't do business with you and why you are gonna lose a LOT of customers. Think about it!

When did you decide to become a cyber bully? That is what I call folks that try to STEAL domains that don't belong to them and use intimidation to get their property. For a registrar to be engaged in THAT activity is disgusting and appalling. But I doubt you would even take the time to see why I would say such a thing.

You pick and choose which customers are of value to you. Pros believe that ALL customers are important. You got a LOT to learn and this will come back to bite you. imo





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SunTzu -

Very well put.
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Taz - agreed on cost effectivness
That's part of the model have done for 4 years

By the way , how long is your hair?
Think I recall something about you may have the longest hair of anyone posting here
Mine is to my belt ;-)
Vick Make money with OLD school!

I never said I have a problem with the concept of newbies or affiliate marketing, it is here to stay, it was always been here... reselling...promoting...whatever you want to call it... it is effective & vital and everyone involved wins... but creating your COMPETITION is senseless.

Marketshare is KEY.

simple illustration:

I personally love going nightclubbing... I see plenty of flyers everywhere promoting different clubs, events, themes, etc... plenty of people (PassOuts) handing out flyers that offer discounts (avg price in DC is $12). The nightclub I frequent runs like a well-oiled machine, they pay these "PassOuts" less than a dollar for every flyer that returns with their name/sig on it. If they have an uncanny ability to promote quality traffic they are elevated to "Promoter" with their own VIP list at the front door and they receive $1+ for everyone on their list that actually attends...their VIP guestlist gets in for free, but must be "cream" and they $pend money. For the truly gifted ones, they are elevated to "Manager" that pays out $1 for EVERYONE that shows up regardless of list or no list, flyer or no flyer. Then the "Manager" sells memberships for $1000+. This club is beautiful, plenty of content ;-) and fantastic staff that ensures the club is packed every night.

The point of all this...

The nightclub owners don't spend their time teaching these affiliates how to OPEN their own nightclubs and compete head to head. They feed them enough info to get the job done. Win/Win. They do not create their own competition, they already have enough. The owners spend their time making sure the club is the best it can be. They are constantly looking for new performers so clubbers don't get tired of it. And now they are opening their third club. So they will always need affiliates to promote their new ventures.


At least in the nightclub industry, you need to get a license to operate...


The adult industry does not operate this way. People are willing to educate their future competitors instead of focusing on becoming category-killers or "best of breed". We need more people handing out flyers and "quality promoters" but definitely not more competitors. Perhaps people assume that their current revenue streams won't dry up. Perhaps they believe the future is bright. The future is dim and even though the streams may not dry up, they can certainly be diverted. Ever heard of DcP2P... "De-centralized Peer to Peer" networks will eclipse any threat you can imagine. The lure of free music,movies,porn,content promoted thru viral marketing is a formidable opponent.

As I said before...the playground is now a battleground.


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"Seriously, what's more cost effective, hire peeps to create the traffic generating sites, pay set wages, let them go after sites are built, keep revenue vein for yourself? Or pay webmasters to do the same thing on a continual basis? I'll take the first option."
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I don't understand why free site webmasters do this in the first place, they should be making sites for themselves.

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