hahah gord what a catchy come back you have there.

Please remember I have NOTHING to do with day to day operations. I do not even know 3/4 of the employees we have at the office. Also remember InterCosmos.com is just more then http://directnic.com DirectNIC is just ONE of our products.


gord - are you still scamming people out of their hard earned money for .SEX domains?? Did you see the post that Robin Nixon made?? You are taking money from misleading people, selling snake oil - which in my OPINION makes you a THIEF!!

While I have not heard many negatives things about DNS, and I have never said DNS sucked ( I jsut said directnic is much larger and does more business, is ICANN approved, etc....) Steal peoples money, for phantom, vapor domain names is wrong!

Trying to sue people to get attenion for yourself, with a baseless lawsuit for .SEX is even a bigger joke.

Come back to reality Gord - stick to TLDS.


Oh and you are always welcome here at oprano.com to say what ever you want...


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

So the traffic to generate new members must come from somewhere
*****

It comes from there own network of free sites, tgp's, link lists, etc.

Seriously, what's more cost effective, hire peeps to create the traffic generating sites, pay set wages, let them go after sites are built, keep revenue vein for yourself? Or pay webmasters to do the same thing on a continual basis? I'll take the first option.
Taz FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction

Lee I understand what you're saying but .....
The free site affiliates feed the programs providing the traffic (be it members or visitors) for the share market to occur

Egro "If large sponsors gave up their webmaster affliate programs they would still eat fish the rest of their life-- " may not hold true
At some time the members will leave and must be replaced with new members
So the traffic to generate new members must come from somewhere


and regardless of how you want to wrap it, market share is very real (and will always be)
x amount of consumers in market
y amount are your customers
y/x = your market share

With new user growth slowing market share and reach become more important
Vick FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction

SunTuzo

If large sponsors gave up their webmaster affliate programs they would still eat fish the rest of their life--

Why?

B2B - share market

Its offensive how much money one sponsor sends another sponsor every month :-) Webmasters need to stop the sponsor abuse and stop creating liability because one day sponsors will close their programs all together and swap spit based on their existing infrastructure.

Will affliates be an outdated word in 5 years?
Lee Noga FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction

minor add-on...

"If you don't start telling people this industry isn't worth it, soon it will be...the truth."





SunTzu aka Taboo GhostField Internet

Gord, I stand by my statement from earlier that your customer service has always treated me like Snoop Dawgy Dog at Denny's.


Ulfie GhostField Internet

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New business Model: Share market

Lee Noga

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So you truly believe that Marketshare is an old business model?

"Share Market"... perhaps.

"Saturate Market" is what has happened and will continue to happen. Then, what good is it to share a market that is worth-less* (*not "worthless").

If a new player wants to enter the game, we can not stop them and should not. But should we openly invite them and keep announcing how lucrative this industry is. The media whores that spent so much time telling the world that "online porn" is so lucrative, saturated the playing field. They only have themselves to blame. Wouldn't it be wiser to tell people this industry sucks, that there's no diamonds left in the mines, instead of creating more competition.

If you don't start telling people this industry isn't worth it, soon it will be.

It is better to operate "in stealth mode" and grow your business. You can hide for as long as you want. But human nature leads most people to brag about their conquests, most people need the approval of their peers, and that will be their downfall.

Give someone a fish, they eat for today. Teach them how to fish, they eat whenever they want...

...and they will keep eating

...and may even eat your fish someday

...and may even eat all the fish

...and even though you may not starve, you will have LESS fish to eat.

Your choice.




SunTzu aka Taboo GhostField Internet

MadCat, not sure how old you are but one of the benefits of middle age is credit history. ;) (as long as it's a good history)


Ulfie GhostField Internet

Hey .. now why am I not surprised.. a place for Mike to preach to his own choir .. :))

Webfather.. domain speculators chew up bandwidth . tie up resources so bad that they choke the registry every am between 4:30 and 8

Sorry you don't agree but its a business decision . if I need to block out 250 abusers for the sake of the stability of the system for the tens of thousands of other clients .. then so be it. I should have cleared this decision with you first??

We break new sales records _everyday_ .. so I guess our dinosaur approach model is working. Hows the value of your domain holdings holding up?? :))


Mike .. you continually never cease to amaze me. Well at least you have your own forum now in which to beat on your chest (such as it is).

haha ..You will NEVER be in the league of Domain Name Systems. There's first class, no class and then there's Mike.

So which is it Mike ?? 65 or 50 employees ... *laughing* .. can't even get the numbers right between posts? Do they go shoot content in the lulls in the customer service calls?

Its called efficiency arse.. if we can do more with less ..then we have a competitive edge over you . (and you really have no clue as to what our company comprises of, your posts continually prove it).. .If you knew anything about this business.. you'd know that an Icann accreditation is a noose around your companies neck. I won't spill the beans but I wouldn't hold too much stock in your accreditation card.

You'd also know that most (if not all ) registrars are downsizing due to increased competetion and diminishing returns. Contrary to that trend we are expanding.

and Mike to set the record straight .. I don't have a problem with your company (I could care less about it, it doesn't comprise anything remotely resembling competition to me) ..

But you however , we need. Your mouth is our biggest sales tool. Keep up the good work.

:))

(now.. lets time the comeback)
1...2...3...
Gord GhostField Internet

On the magicians and tricks thing;

[generalisation coming up]
For people who pride themselves on helping newbies break into this industry, it's sort of contradicting yourself if you say you shouldn't share info and tricks, I'm not saying you should share all, but hm, still.
[end generalisation]

I for one have a ferkin heapload of ideas, ready to be put to market - the only thing lacking is the $ to get it off the ground. I think that's a problem for a lot of smaller folks in the bizz, so far I've managed to run all my things on a shoe-string budget and keep it together with lot of bailing wire and duct tape. Let's not forget spit.

*shrug* Ofcourse, at my age, it's a bit strange to walk into a bank or any other sort of place and get yourself a helping of $ to fund your stuff, so maybe I'm just ranting :D
MadCat GhostField Internet

MikeAI,

I was just generalising though, not singling out people :)

I dunno, I still see a lot of shady sites out there, at least, things that I personally think are shady - thankfully everyone on this board knows how to play the game, but there are way way way too many newbies or plain out punk bitches out there who screw around with shit on a major scale. No good.

Now that I'm done bitching (hey Serge? Are there any awards like 'best bitchin of the week'?) I'll just go on with something else;

What do you all think about the so-called 'support' services that are offered these days? We're talking portal-like news shit, interesting little add-on stuff for your members areas, etc.? Good? Bad? Just plain out not worth the cash? Or what?

:D
MadCat GhostField Internet

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There will always be new tricks, better tricks, more innovative tricks. The magician who relies on his old tricks will be broke anyway.

One man cannot come up with everything on his own, I don't believe that. You need to brainstorm and share a little to spark creativity and keep stimulating your mind. Not all, but some of these newbies coming up have some excellent ideas. Many times they'll hit on something they don't even realize yet, but its valuable and useful.

Brujah

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And I repeat what I wrote:

"If everyone knows the tricks, all the magicians will be broke... "

Even if you learn NEW tricks, but keep teaching your secrets, the magicians will still be broke.


SunTzu aka Taboo The REAL paycounter!!!

Some observations on life:

It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

No one is listening until you make a mistake.

Always remember you're unique. Just like everyone else.

Never test the depth of the water with both feet.

It is far more impressive when others discover your good qualities
without your help.

If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat & drink beer all day.

If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.

A closed mouth gathers no foot.

Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your mouth is moving.

Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.

Never miss a good chance to shut up.

Time for dinner. ;)





Ulfie The REAL paycounter!!!

Got our check from Paycounter, Paycounter Rocks!!!!
Captain The REAL paycounter!!!

I have some traffic available. Only a few catches, per sign-up programs only $35+. It also help if you have our video feeds;-)
Brad Shaw We're giving away MONEY here. How crazy is that?

lol ok
ThrobX We're giving away MONEY here. How crazy is that?

“They”ll NEVER again be business men like us”

Andrew Carnagie to JD Rockefeller 1895

Hmm I wonder if Thomas Watson(IBM) and Bill Gates read that…;)))

JohnIP Old School is just new school with a beard!!!

No I do not - not at my house ThrobX, you hit my ICQ at the office...

e-mail me
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

MikeAI... you got ICQ!
ThrobX We're giving away MONEY here. How crazy is that?

Brujah, just like other people, http://directnic.com cuts deals for people who register bulk domains.

You shuold contact me, and I can make sure you are taken care of.
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

KC please read further down ....
The 2,500,000 visitors per day came from an eariler discussion
Vick FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction, you tell me

" New business Model: Share market "
Please tell more




Vick FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction, you tell me

FWIW, I really like DirectNic in most ways except the price. With over a thousand domain names, the nice interface doesn't make it justifiable with the extra $5000 it would cost me to register 1000 names there.

Brujah FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction, you tell me

There is something we don't discuss often With the growth of the Internet slowing in terms of new users We are starting to challenge for marketshare as opposed to maintaining growth :
=======================================================

Not discussed because that is old
business model:

New business Model: Share market
Lee Noga FuckedMaster - Fucked or Fiction, you tell me

If everyone knows the tricks, all the magicians will be broke...
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There will always be new tricks, better tricks, more innovative tricks. The magician who relies on his old tricks will be broke anyway.

One man cannot come up with everything on his own, I don't believe that. You need to brainstorm and share a little to spark creativity and keep stimulating your mind. Not all, but some of these newbies coming up have some excellent ideas. Many times they'll hit on something they don't even realize yet, but its valuable and useful.
Brujah Make money with OLD school!

Mike,

well that is sorta true, since we haven't ran paysites since 1997, we are like in the support group if you call it that. We don't sell the cars, but we support them with add ons, I am very opinionated, but try no to burn to many bridges you know. But forsure mike, if you ever ask my thoughts on something, I will never lie, I will tell you, point blank!!
sextoyking Make money with OLD school!

hahaha like Brad always says, I am here to make money not friends. I have plenty of friends already...


of course I am lucky and have met a lot of great people in this industry... many I consider friends!


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

"it allows me to run my big mouth. "

Ya, but some of us like you anyway Mike.

It is nice having friends weather you do business with them or not.

;-)


VegasLee PWT going to run his big mouth and tell NewBies the truth about the busniess. Can they handle it?

Vick,

What's the URL of the site?

You guys can go back and forth about "if this" "if that" or "what if this", etc.. all day..

How does the guy get his traffic?
Does he Buy it?
Did he "find" it?
Did he create it?

KC Make money with OLD school!

Todd I understand that is how you are...

I am very lucky I do not rely on other webmasters for business and traffic... it allows me to run my big mouth. I am very opinionated, and am not hesitate to let my opinions out.

That is why evans is having such a hard time effecting me, and I can run my mouth about my opinion of evan at xspams being nothing but a flamming spammer!

hahaha
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

MadCat some of us have been focusing on QUALITY since day one in this business.

Part of HiRise's success has been in making surfers, and members HAPPY! Givnig them great sites, that update all the time. Deliver what we promise, cancel them when they want to be canceled, and of course NEVER playing games with their Credit Card accounts.

Of course many of my fellow businessment have done the opposite of me, and have made much more money then I... of course what goes around, comes around. Some of these same comapnies are having problems now...


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Mike,
well thanks, I like and respect you too. I sometimes make comments that others don't like, mind you most of the time it is my competiton:)) but shit, yeh I don't like to rock the boat alot. I mean there is times I would love to lash into a paysite owner, sponsor, but I also know that most all the big companies upsell our sextoys, and hate to make waves like that you know. I might say something to them in private, but in public, probably not.
sextoyking GhostField Internet

Just a note regarding that whole quality thing. Last night I was watching TV, and some program came on about jobs and stress, and all the bad mojo associated with it.

They interviewed a guy who was in quality control/quality assurance of a big company, and he got overworked.

Quote: "I'd be dead and buried now if I'd be running QA on a porn site"

Wake up 'n smell the collective coffee - if people are making fun of the _lack_ of quality in this industry, that should be a pretty big indication that something needs to be done eh?

Ofcourse, I'm talking to a brick wall here because I ain't a big player :)

But okay, that's got nothing to do with this issue (totally separate story :P) - but hey, try for quality instead of quantity is my new motto.
MadCat GhostField Internet

Marketshare ...
There is something we don't discuss often
With the growth of the Internet slowing in terms of new users
We are starting to challenge for marketshare as opposed to maintaining growth
(part of some flatlining revenues)

The other thing I do not hear much about is reach
What percentage of the Internet do your messages reach? Your banners, your sites?


Nope, you can hide getting 2.5 million visitors a day


And if Miss Hefner lost her ego and hired internet people how much more $ could Playboy make
But can they afford to keep losing $


Vick Make money with OLD school!

Mike,
you are missing the point, me being a liberal doesn't make me any nicer, or fail to step on people's toes. I do that alot sometimes. Being a democrat is 2nd my friend, business always comes first:))

I have been doing this for many years, and my liberal outlook hasn't killed me yet.
sextoyking Make money with OLD school!

Todd I like you, I know you are a good business person, and yo do care about not stepping on toes.

However, it irks me when people post generalities that are not accurate.

Say DirectNIC is bigger the DNS, but gord runs a good shop.

See that is an opinion.

If gord flips out because you say we are bigger, then he is a fool. facts are facts. opinions on the other hand is a differnt thing.

You might say DNS is better then directnic, I might argue with that statemtn but it is an opinion so it is based on your views. But to say something factually that is not true, I will call you on it! ;-)


You very rarely make contraversial statements, I understand you do not like to rock the boat... but we are all adults here...
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

hahaha See Serge??? in inherent flaws of a liberal.... he cannot make a decision, he cannot see what is in front of him and say one is bigger then the other.

Watch I can.... Network Solutions is MUCH bigger then DirectNIC... So is register.com Numbers are numbers, facts are facts.

DirectNIC is MUCH larger then DNS...

But Todd being the caring liberal he is, ( its not that he does not have a backbone ) does not want to step on anyones toes or make any waves... everyone is equak and the same....

Unfortunately liberals beleive this, and thus tend to fail in their social engingeering and other foolish ideas.

Luckily there are not many liberal mided businessmen....

As Webfather contunualy says " Trust numbers, not people"


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Mikey,

whether I am liberal or not, which I am a proud liberal, and will die that way, I am also most of the time a great business person, and don't mind playing hard ball when needed:) I wasn't saying that to be nice, just that, I don't really have an opinion or don't care really bro. but I do know all competition mostly, and study as many things as I can, so you wanna know, Yah, Directnic is bigger, Icann Certified, has one hell of a affiliate program in place.. do you feel better now???:)
sextoyking Make money with OLD school!

Serge,
you are implying what?? :))

I have a back bone, and a butt bone, and various other ones. I don't need to wipe noses on another register. I was just saying that they are good sizes registers, didn't say gord was bigger or mike was, not a fight that I myself want involved in, but I have no problem, backing myself or my words up anytime.. :)))

Todd,
if you have a back bone, why don't you show it!
;-)))
sextoyking Make money with OLD school!

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They are hungry and their efforts and dollars are responsible for the growth of the business as well.
Brujah
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"Growth"???

or are they responsible for the "Decline" in revenue, marketshare?

perhaps they are responsible for the Growth in Saturation...

I do not hate newbies.
I do not hate competition.
But I won't turn newbies into my competition.

If a newbie enters this business on his own, I admire their passion to make money.

If everyone knows the tricks, all the magicians will be broke...


SunTzu aka Taboo Make money with OLD school!

hahaha still weak Todd... You make to many statements like that because you are worried about hurting someones feelings.

Good size compaired to who YOU? If you saw an ant, a dog and an elephant - would you say as the ant that the dog and elephant were both good sized?

Facts are facts Todd, I understand being a Liberal you do not want to hurt anyones feelings - that everyone in school should pass on to the next grade... blah blah blah

BUT IN BUSINESS.... well business is business... words are useless.


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Mike...it is a popular misconception, indeed. People dont realize how big and efficient directnic is. One of the LARGEST registrars in the world....
grimm Project Webmaster

Are you just making another "feel good statement"
******************

Todd,
if you have a back bone, why don't you show it!
;-)))

out to the party, love you all!

Honest Serge directnic.

"Basically the success of a product has little or nothing to do with its quality."
####################################
Grimmy ...you had me at Hello;))...but lost me with this one;))

The reason this industry is in the doldrums it seems to be in is becasue of this VERY attitude...The CONSTANT focus on taking the money and running.The CONSTANT focus on selling the non-quality widget to the unsuspecting new customer AND NOT focusing on making that sale a repeat sale for EVER!!! The LACK of focus on quality and SERVICE is WHY the industry suffers today!When I was in the corporte world I had a plaque on my wall that said

"Quality of Service-Those activities by a company after it has made the sale to inhance Customer satisfaction and CREATE REPEAT SALES!!"

If this industry would focus MORE on Customer satisfaction and LESS on
taking the money and running we'd be ALOT better off today.
JohnIP , This business was born on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!
Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:13:11 - IP: 38.37.73.142 - Post # 2678


I think somewhere along the line i missed my own point. That Happens. I wasnt touting this as a GOOD THING, just a hard reality. Good product and good customer service, suppport and slow steady growth are winners! but not found too often these days:)

Mike...Gord has a serious problem with directnic, just size envy:)


grimm directnic.

Well Mike,
if you read my words below, I said you were BOTH good size, I didn't say who was bigger or anything. You are both def. bigger then us:))
no feel good there, but I do feel well today:))
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well you know directnic and domain name systems are both good size domain registers.
sextoyking Make money with OLD school!

I will tell ya that there are a lot of young guys doing big $$$. When I talk to them it usually does come down to cockholster activities tho. I can go rob a bank but I choose not to. There are paysites out there that receive 100's of thousands of hit out of the TGP's and you never see them on a board. They lay low ...... for a reason.
mutt Make money with OLD school!

Vick....I think 2.5 million daily visitors is IMPOSSIBLE to hide. :-)
Webfather Make money with OLD school!

Mikeai,

well you know directnic and domain name systems are both good size domain registers. _____________________

Todd how can you make a statement like that without knowing the facts?? Do you know how many domains each registers?? Are you just making another "feel good statement"

Do you really think dns registers close to the same amount of domains as directnic? 20%, 30%??

Come on Todd - you opened you mouth - explain!

If they are the same size why does directnic.com need 50+ employees when Gord does it with 3 people?


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

I met Marc in 1997 I believe at one of the parties in Vegas. That I believe was when he re-registed it out of the usa during copa1.

Marc....correct me if I am wrong.

Webfather gimme a microscope, let me see em! ;-))

I just check out the numbers FIRST cuz numbers is what I understand the best.
Webfather
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funny,
PEOPLE is what I understand the best
;-))

but you from # and me from people knowledge came to the same conclussion
;-0))

Serge gimme a microscope, let me see em! ;-))

WF I looked at 1 in 1000 first ;-)


Vick 10.99 aint bad for a domain name:)

Vick.....now try it with an average of 1 in 800. :-)))


Webfather 10.99 aint bad for a domain name:)

Rick had to bring up breathless boys:)


sextoyking 10.99 aint bad for a domain name:)

It's back to #'s
Doing 2,500 joins per day even at 1 in 300 that is 750,000 visitors per day.

Sites with in excess of 750,000 vistors per day become visable
Vick 10.99 aint bad for a domain name:)

Excuse me....

GLOBAL INTERMEDIA INC.
P.O. BOX 533
STATION
WINDSOR, ON N9A 6M6
CA

Domain Name: BREATHLESSBOYS.COM

Administrative Contact:
ADMINISTRATOR, DNS DNS@GLOBAL-INTERMEDIA.COM
P.O. BOX 533
STATION
WINDSOR, ON N9A 6M6
CA
519-987-0600

Technical Contact:
ADMINISTRATOR, DNS DNS@GLOBAL-INTERMEDIA.COM
P.O. BOX 533
STATION
WINDSOR, ON N9A 6M6
CA
519-987-0600

Billing Contact:
ADMINISTRATOR, DNS DNS@GLOBAL-INTERMEDIA.COM
P.O. BOX 533
STATION
WINDSOR, ON N9A 6M6
CA
519-987-0600


Record last updated on 13-Jul-2001.
Record expires on 01-Jun-2006.
Record Created on 02-Jun-1998.

Webfather 10.99 aint bad for a domain name:)

Mikeai,

well you know directnic and domain name systems are both good size domain registers. We only register like a few hundred per month, which is quite small, but it's a value added service you know:))
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Very true, Brujah!!!

BossHawg is an example of someone to keep an eye on. I believe this "newbie" will create or be part of
something new and huge.
sextoyking 10.99 aint bad for a domain name:)

I know another 19 year old kid im doing biz with who has a paysite 2 months old that is doing 2500
joins a day.
=================================

You don't have to give the URL or who this kid is but what was his path to a paysite with 2500 joins a day?
mutt Not for the weak of heart, you want to learn, be there, you want to be a deadbeat, check out the beaches!

"And Fay, please have them push the concept that this is a BUSINESS just like selling hammers or painting houses. If you don't have business skills, you aren't going to succeed. This is no longer the time of the "right place, right time, no skills Einstein!" "

ThrobX ,

Newbie day is going to be headed up by RawAlex and Myself. As you know, this is nothing but business to the two of us and we are only going to have people there speaking that believe the same way. This will not be a candy coated day of kissing newbie ass, we are not sponsors, we don/t have to kiss ass.

Should be interesting to see how many Newbies go back to their Kmart jobs after this day is over.

;-)


VegasLee Not for the weak of heart, you want to learn, be there, you want to be a deadbeat, check out the beaches!

SunTzu, re: the battleground. War is profitable. The money flows and is increasing. Newbie webmasters send traffic, they buy hosting, they buy content, they buy domain names, they provide eyes so the resource site webmasters can charge $20k+ to advertisers. They are hungry and their efforts and dollars are responsible for the growth of the business as well.
Brujah Make money with OLD school!

Serge....It's all in the numbers and those that don't understand numbers will believe anything.

No disrespect Moose....I just check out the numbers FIRST cuz numbers is what I understand the best.
Webfather Make money with OLD school!

Mover and Shaker: Marc DeForest
AdultRevenueService.com
Record Created on 09-Aug-1999.

There will be more, always have been. Newbies are the future, and without them businesses will stagnate and crumble.

Brujah
***************

bRUJAH,
FYI,
I know Marc in this business since 1996....

you have to know MORE about people behind domains registrations
;-))
Honest Serge Make money with OLD school!

hahaha 19 year old with 2,500 sigups a day huh?? IS he the 2 headed love child of Elvis as well??

Come on Moose, you can make a point without having to exagertate...

I am sure there are lots of newbies who might make a dent in this business....

Please tell us which 2 paysites these are.... hahaha
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

I find that HARD to believe. That is over $18 million a year at $19.95.

Numbers I trust.....people I don't

Webfather

****************

can you believe I posted BEFORE rreading yours???????
;-)))


Honest Serge $15,000+ in content is nothing to sneeze at. Win some here!

Brujah,

I agree about Bosshawg. Running resource sites of my own, and from my long background as a webmaster, I pay attention to resource sites. Bosshawg has come along with some DAMN FINE resource projects. My only regret is that I didn't get to work with him in that arena from the start!

ThrobX $15,000+ in content is nothing to sneeze at. Win some here!

Moose,
one of those guys on ICQ
nobody ever heard about it
with 2500 sign ups a day is me....

I like to play and live in a fantasy world from time to time and....
if you can't check it yourself-
it doesn't exist or can not be taken as TRUTH
;-))

BTW,
http://cotac.com just signed up 4832th member today....


Honest Serge Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

The playground is now a battleground.

Fighting for more customers = more money!

Creating your own competition = more money?

Please elaborate.



SunTzu aka Taboo Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

My job is to find the middle place and do the best job I can to help my Sponsors, Exhibitors, and attendees meet realistic their goals.

Soo.. since there are some good 'newbies out there, let's give them the straight dope, not just the hype; and some general advice and guidence to help make them part of the solution and not part of the problem. I think the people involved in 'newbie day are going to have a good time with it, as well as make an impression on the 'Newbies. Boot Camp is probably a good title.

Had an enjoyable day...Serge, you done good. Got to go get on my 'motorized goat and drive around the yard.

Sharpie Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

Moose! Amen!
It would be stubborn blindness not to open your eyes and see that there's MUCH more going on than the people who you did business with in 1998.
Brujah Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

I know another 19 year old kid im doing biz with who has a paysite 2 months old that is doing 2500 joins a day.
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I find that HARD to believe. That is over $18 million a year at $19.95.

Numbers I trust.....people I don't

Webfather Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

Don't even mention Miss Cleo. I made the mistake of calling her just for shit kicks. Now she calls me back with a recorded message almost every fucking day.
Red Celebrate Porn Literacy Month

MikeAI,
why do you even bother to notice
an old kook?
let him "dusting" around
;-))
Serge gimme a microscope, let me see em! ;-))

SunTzu, some of them are obviously .. or else there IS no future.

They are your growth factor.
Brujah Make money with OLD school!

I just removed seven unproductive links from my exit console. Then I ran the numbers to see what I need to hit to make an improvement.

8 cents RAW BEFORE I optimized it!

Webfather Make money with OLD school!

Not sure what you mean by mover and shakers,maybe not on a the HUGE scale as ARS or CEN with thousands of affiliates and large overheads,but their margins are high.
But i know of paysites less than 3 months old doing 700-1000 joins a day.
I know another 19 year old kid im doing biz with who has a paysite 2 months old that is doing 2500 joins a day.

I know freesite webmasters in biz very short time doing 400 signs perday to his sponsors(do the math..this is not chicken feed) ;-)).

I know dialer guys doing a million minutes per month for the last year, while everyone now is acting like its innovation.

These are all guys on top of their game, and i only see them getting bigger,they are not ego maniacs.Contacts to these guys is their ICQ list,not conventions and message boards

These are people you have never heard of,and at the same time have never heard of anyone here ;-))),who came in around the same time i did or after in 98-99..there is a whole nother world out there guys ;-))
Moose Make money with OLD school!

Does everyone truly believe that newbies are the future?


SunTzu aka Taboo Make money with OLD school!

BossHawg is an example of someone to keep an eye on. I believe this "newbie" will create or be part of something new and huge.

Very brilliant and talented.
Brujah Make money with OLD school!

ThrobX,
LOL. I didn't figure that out, I have insider info. Don't you know Cleo is in Florida...had lunch yesterday. Yum! Yum! Love those Jamacian Beef Patties.
Taz Make money with OLD school!

gord from domainnamessytems.com is fond of braggin how many customers and domains he gets transfered from http://directnic.com I thought this was a bold statement, so I had Sig the CEO of http://directnic.com run a search and ths is what he sent me:

"He [gord and DNS] does not even show up on the radar of registrars for us. I can't find him [gord/dns] when looking at the stats that we maintain of domains transferred to and from specific registrars."

Of course since we have hundreds of thousands of domains going through our system, I guess 15-30 domains a month is a lot of business for some people and companies.

Like most things in life, it is all relative.
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

"they treat you like Snoop Doggy Dawg at Denny's"

This is a classic, I'm adding that to my repertoir. Thanks Ulfie, you can use "right place, right time, no skills Einstein" in exchange. :D

ThrobX Move and shake your way toward some extra $.

"Todays newbie is 6 years too late!!"

Good observation, WF, but amend that:

"Today's no business skills, no brain newbie is 6 years too late!!"

:D

Not gonna see many more overnight successes in this business, but there's still plenty of room for smart hardworking businesspeople.
ThrobX Move and shake your way toward some extra $.

Todays newbie is 6 years too late!!
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Very true, but I find that a lot of today's newbies are just trying to supplement family income. This business is attractive to them due to the working conditions. While this does most likely make them a day late and a dollar short to ever hitting the monetary heights of yesteryear, some are just happy with a few hundred extra a month.
Taz Make money with OLD school!

Mover and Shaker: Marc DeForest
AdultRevenueService.com
Record Created on 09-Aug-1999.

There will be more, always have been. Newbies are the future, and without them businesses will stagnate and crumble.

Brujah Make money with OLD school!

Serge,

I bet you can still teach Zhora to hump the left leg just as well as the right leg.

;-))

Webfather Make money with OLD school!

The interface is nice, works well, etc. but they treat you like Snoop Doggy Dawg at Denny's.


HAHAHAHAHA Funny post!!!

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29576,00.html


Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Taz,

You figured out my secret, I do have a direct line to Miss Cleo. That's where the $1,274 I've made in the AVS business has gone! And she don pon never been wrong, mon! I feeling irie with Miss Cleo.

Seriously, I'm not saying that people should quit their jobs if they're starting out. But if they're serious about doing something on their own, WHATEVER it is, they can afford to burn a few vacation days. I remember burning some vacation days back long long ago when I was working for someone else, just to spend the day at the library doing research. If you WANT to do it, you'll do it.

Otherwise, they're wannabes, and I hope the boot camp day is serious about drilling into their heads that this isn't a get rich quick industry, you gotta work your ass off and then some if you're just getting in.

And Fay, please have them push the concept that this is a BUSINESS just like selling hammers or painting houses. If you don't have business skills, you aren't going to succeed. This is no longer the time of the "right place, right time, no skills Einstein!"

(hey, that kinda rhymes)

ThrobX Move and shake your way toward some extra $.

An old dog that refuses to learn new tricks is a dead dog.

Webfather
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screw you!
;-))
Zhora This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Hustler is going to make some nice coin now. Anybody know how Cashquest hooked up with them? Did Hustler come looking for a good Net porn company or did CQ approach them? Good move if they did.
I signed up for BarelyLegal to check it out, really good site, top notch.
Gonna put up a ton of teen pages to promote it.
mutt This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

How many guys would have turned down a shot to work for Playboy?
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Meni would have...
;-))

and so would I!
;-))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Re: Playboy

An old dog that refuses to learn new tricks is a dead dog.

Webfather This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Pearl!

Todays newbie is 6 years too late!!

Webfather
:-))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

enough to afford Meni?
;-))

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She must have, I hear he is expensive :)
KC This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Serge Luke Ford had a story on the guy who was hired from Crescent to set up Vivid online.........Luke has archives but I don't know what to look for.........actually I think I remember his name was Bruce something?
mutt
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Mutt,
when I go to Luke, I only read:
Died in the Line of Duty
column.

I still can't decide which version I like better,
me dieing in the Hollywood Motel or
being shot my Monica Lewinsky body guards....

;-))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Vic I posted that same thing about 4 years ago. All Hefner's daughter had to do was surf YNOT for a few days and find somebody to make it happen for them on the Net. How many guys would have turned down a shot to work for Playboy?

Penthouse also got involved with Seth. I just checked them out a few days ago and they still are lost.


mutt we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

DNS's customer service is pitiful. I had a domain transfer get stuck in limbo for nearly 2 months and countless emails went unanswered. The only way I was able to resolve it was by ranting on the boards. The interface is nice, works well, etc. but they treat you like Snoop Doggy Dawg at Denny's.


Ulfie we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

Todays newbie is 6 years too late!!

Webfather we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

She is a mover and a shaker..
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hmmm...and how much money did she make on the net?

enough to afford Meni?
;-))
Serge we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

thanks Mike hook up the moron page

Serge Luke Ford had a story on the guy who was hired from Crescent to set up Vivid online.........Luke has archives but I don't know what to look for.........actually I think I remember his name was Bruce something?
mutt Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

"Hustler just got a clue. " is that when they partnered with people who had an adult internet background?

If Playboy didn't have such a big ego and partnered (or hired or aquired) with adult internet experience they could be profitable and positioned well


Vick Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

Slits -

You're very welcome, Thank you!

Now let's take care of that biz we were kicking around ;)

KC Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

Do sponsors want to do business with WANNAbes or with GONNAbes? ;D

Damn it - that is what they say. I am not sure that is what they do though. Maybe JohnIP can shed some light.

I, myself, am not sold on todays 'newbie. But the exhibitors & sponsors say they want to attract them. So, ya gotta do, what ya gotta do. However, THIS newbie day will probably be like none before. It will be Boot Camp - there will be no candy coated bullshit. If they survive - hopefully they will be a 'newbie worth handing over to our exhibitors.

If I had my way - we would have a gathering of serious people with varying viewpoints, who want to network and do business together. But, somehow 1,000 serious people is not as good as 2,000 bodies.

Sharpie Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!