ThrobX,
Sorry, I thought the whole concept of the show was to expose webmasters to the products and services of the show sponsors,my bad.
Not everyone who has serious intentions of staying in this biz can afford to give up their day job right off the bat. I didn't realize you had the direct line to Miss Cleo and already knew who was going to succeed in this business. Care to share since I'm sure you'd save sponsors lots of $$ with that info, talk about target marketing.
Taz This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Webfather -

Jenna Jameson!! hahaha

She is a mover and a shaker.. (and a few other things) in the video world.. But did not make an appearance in the Adult Internet world until:

Domain Name: CLUBJENNA.COM

Created on..............: Tue, Nov 30, 1999


KC This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

I thought it was a guy from the sites Serge sent his clicks to, Crescent Publishing, that set up Vivid Video to make money on the Net.
************

what's his name?

you people ALWAYS know more than I can possibly know with my poor English
;-(((
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

KC,

Received your package!!

Thanks so much, but you didn't have to do that!!!

Elxis and I will be eating very well for a few days thanks to you! Thanks again!
Jimmyslits Paycounter rocks!

Mutt good points....

For the record, I love that moron graphic you made!
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

I thought it was a guy from the sites Serge sent his clicks to, Crescent Publishing, that set up Vivid Video to make money on the Net. Wicked Video still has no clue.
Hustler just got a clue. Dunno how many other big name adult video companies there are. Seymore Butts maybe. I think he got tied up long ago with Seth and after getting that fucking over probably doesn't trust Net guys.
mutt Make money with OLD school!

Webfather I agree.... Gord takes good care of a few clients ( I am sure he does it personally) But do to his comapnei size he cannot handle hundred of clients like this.

http://directnic.com has over 65 full time employees... many who are very talented.
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Sharpie,
I think you should mention it and offer it on the site. As I mentioned, some of your target market has to plan around other jobs. By not knowing that alternative package is available they won't bother making plans to attend. If you get them in on a one day this time and they realize what they have missed by not attending the whole show, next time they will plan for whole show.

Is one day pass available for any of the days? I think you'd see more newbies on a Saturday. They'd come in Friday night after work and leave Sunday to get back for Monday work week.
Taz This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

KC....Those folks were all around in 1996 and 1997.

Webfather This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Webdad, KC is right....
even though I am not that sure about Jordan,
'cuz SIZE DOES MATTER!
;-0))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

MikeAI......I have a private domain board with about 250 members. Gord has decided that they are "Too high maintenence" to take care of their problems yet he brags on other boards what great customer service he has.

When he decides to provide no support for 1 or 2 of them it is the same as doing it to all 250. Those 250 talk to another 250 and before you know it ALL domain speculators know to stay away. If is much easier to put out 1 or 2 small fires than put out 500 fires.

Add to that the conflict of interest and before you know it.....poof!

Webfather Move and shake your way toward some extra $.

"To attract more newbies offer a one day pass. Lots of them are still working mainstream jobs and have to plan schedules around their workweek."

Sorry Taz, I disagree. Sharpie, remove the one day pass option. If someone wants to get into this business and they can't afford to take a few days off from their job, then they aren't serious about being in this business. That will eliminate additional wannabes and will concentrate the show even further with serious people.

Do sponsors want to do business with WANNAbes or with GONNAbes? ;D

ThrobX Move and shake your way toward some extra $.

2 Movers and Shakers that were around before 1998, but started really moving and shaking after...

- Marc De, Adult Revenue Service
- Jason & Jordon, Join4Free

There are certainly others :)

KC Make money with OLD school!

I think Webfather said mover and shaker, NOT mover and spammer! haha

No doubt xspams has achieved some success... but in my opinion this just comes from being a front/spammer for old line programs who don't want to spam on their own for certain reasons ( AOL for instance)

When did Sless come around?? Though he works for a big video company he did help turn their INternet Division around... even if it was by shady means...
Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Can someone post the link to the greatlakes convention please
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http://www.greatlakeswebmasters.com/ I believe.
ThrobX Move and shake your way toward some extra $.

Quite a few people have grown into Movers or Shakers since
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KC....names please.

Webfather This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

btw....can ANYONE name ONE mover and shaker that came into this industry since 1998?? Just one?

Webfather
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sorry, Brad, MikeAI, and lots of other good people,
I'll throw a guess:


evans????
;-0)))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Webfather,

Quite a few people have grown into Movers or Shakers since 1998... Even if they were around before that.


KC Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

Bingo.. Taz. That is why we made Sunday - Newbie Day. We will offer one day passes on site, but we didn't feel it was too smart to encourage it at this stage. They really need to attend all 3 days, as each is extremely different in focus.

Maybe, we are wrong and we should start publisizing it. Trying to protect them against themselves - and not encourage them to take the easy way out. They need to do all 3 days if they can. That is why workshops are starting on the weekend, and IF they survive Newbie Day - Monday will be an extremely valuable day to them.

Sharpie Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

Webfather - I am like you I dislike all bullies in general. I laugh at incompetent bullies however, and I think that is what he have in this case.



Mike AI Make money with OLD school!

Like Serge said....I was selling a product for $15.50 a foot while my competition was selling for $2 a foot. We both sold the same amount of footage. Who do you think made more money? ;-)))))))

Shhhhhh! Don't give the answer away!
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Webdad,
I'm gonna post this question on the
Voltar's board!

;-))))))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Can someone post the link to the greatlakes convention please


Forest This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

btw....can ANYONE name ONE mover and shaker that came into this industry since 1998?? Just one?

Webfather This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Webfather I feel the same way about gord, but can he be considered a Corproate Bully - he has a 3 man shop?
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MikeAI....that is 2 more than is needed to create a conflict of interest!

Webfather This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

That and for a large portion complacency- where have the innovations been for the last 18 months in our industry?
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Vick,
I am sorry, Robin and me were indisposed,
but now we are back!
;-)))

Forest,
100% RIGHT!
and when you guys see me going "dusty",
please have a webmaster charity auction to send me to the best nursing home your money can buy!
;-)))
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

ooops....that last line is for a future post I am working on.

Webfather No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

Wow... It has taken me most of the morning to catch up. Some GREAT discussions going on!

Webfather I feel the same way about gord, but can he be considered a Corproate Bully - he has a 3 man shop?


Mike AI No way you could do 1 in 4,000 here!

Serge's fountain of youth is This Board!
forest This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

When I was in the corporte world
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JohnIP.....when you were in the corporate world most of these guys were in diapers. :-))))

They can't do the math and they can't see much further than next months RENT.

I believe the one of the WORST marketing mistakes these guys make is send NEWSLETTERS to CURRENT CUSTOMERS with links to their COMPETITION!! This is just SILLY!!! Send the newsletters to those that may have cancelled.....NOT current customers. And try to sell YOUR product first.

The cost of acquiring a customer is expensive. The cost of pissing off a customer is FREE.

An uneducated surfer will renew for a longer period of time than an educated one. Sometimes they know too much and usually it is the webmaster that educates them.

I think folks in this business need to take an algebra class so they can understand BOTH sides of the equation.

When it comes to marketing.....I can only point to a handful that TRULY understand it.

Like Serge said....I was selling a product for $15.50 a foot while my competition was selling for $2 a foot. We both sold the same amount of footage. Who do you think made more money? ;-)))))))

Shhhhhh! Don't give the answer away!

:-))


Today guys like Gord are losing more business than they are getting
Webfather This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Sharpie - Too tough to die ;-) (in a good way)


The reason this industry is in the doldrums -
That and for a large portion complacency- where have the innovations been for the last 18 months in our industry?


Still amazes me that anyone can enter this business (in both a good and bad way)
No certification, no training, no license

You have a license to drive a car, fly a plane, broadcast on TV and radio (including ham radio)
to sell real estate
But not to publish and operate a business on the Internet


We have went through the simple facts
It is easiest to sell a customer you have already sold
And it is more cost effective to retain a customer you have now that it is to aquire a new customer
Vick This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Sharpie,
To attract more newbies offer a one day pass. Lots of them are still working mainstream jobs and have to plan schedules around their workweek.
Taz This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

JohnIP , This business was born on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew I was RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10 letters...2 words....quite when everybody shout....

QUITE MY ASS!
Serge This business was born AND IMPROVED on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Nope.... not really interested in the IA2000 style. If you want to see 10,000 Kid Rock wantabees - This is the 7th year for AdultDex.

Cybernet Expo was developed as a networking & learning show. To focus on this, it needs to be targeted. I have no idea how many we lose by having the 21 age limit, but I feel it does get rid of a lot that just come to freeload and party, and protects us and the sponsors from underage liabilities.

Of course, the easiest way to insure success to to kiss a lot of asses, but I just have never learned to pucker very well. I am just too damnned stubborn. Maybe, that is why I am still here. Too stubborn to quit until I am ready to.

Sharpie Home of Newbie Boot Camp - Learn to be 'the best you can be!

"Basically the success of a product has little or nothing to do with its quality."
####################################
Grimmy ...you had me at Hello;))...but lost me with this one;))

The reason this industry is in the doldrums it seems to be in is becasue of this VERY attitude...The CONSTANT focus on taking the money and running.The CONSTANT focus on selling the non-quality widget to the unsuspecting new customer AND NOT focusing on making that sale a repeat sale for EVER!!! The LACK of focus on quality and SERVICE is WHY the industry suffers today!When I was in the corporte world I had a plaque on my wall that said

"Quality of Service-Those activities by a company after it has made the sale to inhance Customer satisfaction and CREATE REPEAT SALES!!"

If this industry would focus MORE on Customer satisfaction and LESS on
taking the money and running we'd be ALOT better off today.
JohnIP This business was born on calculated risk and thrives through adaptation!!!

Comming soon, one stop shopping? ;-)

Vick
**********

coming soon????

nope!

it's here ....
;-)))
Serge the ONLY dialer with per Click Stats, keep 'em HONEST!

"if you have a webmaster board and loking for sponsors,
we have a PERFECT spot for you:
http://www.oprano.com/adrates.html "

Comming soon, one stop shopping? ;-)

Vick the ONLY dialer with per Click Stats, keep 'em HONEST!

Well Mike's gf is almost 12 so it's good that he is so youthful! Thanks Gord!
mutt

*******

Mutt,
wanna have position with us reviewing Netpond board?

I think I can read it thru your reviews, you have a sense of humor!
;-)))


Serge the ONLY dialer with per Click Stats, keep 'em HONEST!

Lee, APOLOGIZE to you other personalities.

BAD!
Lee Noga If I was not a pain in the ass, I would be cure for a cold

Simple thing that occurs ...

Can
6. Try to get links from exhibitors.
Become
6. Get links from exhibitors.

Include buttons, banners, text ... whatever in welcome with linking instruction if you do not already
Benefits the exhibitors to have many eyeballs

For more marketing guess you have to look at what you want the show to be
Do you want to be IA2000 size from 2000?
Or do you prefer it stay more intimate show?

I prefer CybernetExpo for lack of "Kid Rock" wanna be's


Vick the ONLY dialer with per Click Stats, keep 'em HONEST!

Sharpie, thanks!
;-))

I am bad at hand holding
;-(((

my diplomacy level is very bad,
I once told former Dean's and ScottPB's boss that he was a MORON for paying $5000 a month for a
Live Feed!

Poor guys came all the way from Australia to be abused by Serge
driving his beaten up station wagon
;-)))
Serge the ONLY dialer with per Click Stats, keep 'em HONEST!

KoKo,

We can sit here and name a million different marketing tricks..
==============================================================

You number one, GI :-)) Lee love you long tine' for $5.

Note To Self: Order more FiberCon
Lee Noga FuckedMaster - Because I can....

EVERYBODY know I'm gonna ask them for money, regardless of what I say...
;-[)))
Serge
***********

and talking about money.

if you have a webmaster board and loking for sponsors,
we have a PERFECT spot for you:
http://www.oprano.com/adrates.html

we are running full most of the time and this would be a good spot to advertise your available space.
Serge the ONLY dialer with per Click Stats, keep 'em HONEST!

Serge - I would not have expected any less from you :-)

ideas - valuable
implementing - more valuable
hand holding - PRICELESS :-)


Sharpie Newbie BootCamp - Be an army of one!

Gord now too. But he was probably referring to Mike more than you. Well Mike's gf is almost 12 so it's good that he is so youthful! Thanks Gord!
mutt hungry-hungry hippoes!

Netpond people are saying you have the energy and looks of a 12 year old.
*********

Mutt, not people....
only our beloved semi-senile senior citizen,
and I forgive him 'cuz he doesn't know what he is doing!
;-)))
Serge hungry-hungry hippoes!

Any ideas would certainly be considered.

Sharpie
*************

Fay,
how much are you willing to pay for:

1) ideas

2) hand holding and implementation?
;-))


Serge hungry-hungry hippoes!

Smart Marketing: Layout of Grocery store, most common needed items are on opposite sides of story forcing you to walk thru land of temptation.

How many have said, "Damn, look at all this stuff in the buggy, and I only came here for bread"

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is a definate Perl material!

I see light bulb going on in the heads of the smart webmasters already!
;-)))
Serge hungry-hungry hippoes!

Well Serge your recent lifestyle changes really seem to have worked miraculously well. Netpond people are saying you have the energy and looks of a 12 year old.

SERGE FOUND THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH!!!

mutt we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

funny comic - http://www.userfriendly.org/
Taz we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

It's not what you say, it's what you ask!
************

I know Vick
;-(((

EVERYBODY know I'm gonna ask them for money, regardless of what I say...
;-[)))
Serge we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

Plus, those of us who've been around and are serious about our business don't need to be marketed to. We'll know when your shows are, and if we don't, we'll ask. You can ignore us.

The newbies are your prime market, there's always fresh blood there. Focus your marketing on the places where they congregate. The smart ones will come, learn, and network. The ones that don't will be left by the wayside as more detritus from our business.
ThrobX In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

Lee,

What you mentioned below are marketing strategies.. what you previously mentioned , were marketing concepts...

We can sit here and name a million different marketing tricks..
KoKo Scare them into buying....

Sharpie,

Here's two things you could do with your site...

A) Get testimonials from attendees of prior shows attesting to how big a fool you'd have to be NOT to attend. Put those at the top of page one.

B) Change your website buttons from those little arrows to big buttons with the text on them, to make it clearer where to click. I know now, because I've been to the site umpteen zillion times. But the first time, I was like, "where do I click?" :D

ThrobX In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

Lee,

Very true, psychology definitely comes into play. You either want the consumer to hit and run, or you want them to stay as long as possible. The more you can get the consumer to do EXACTLY what you want him or her to do, whatever it is, the more success you will have.

ThrobX In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

OK - Marketing Gurus... how do you think The http://www.cybernetexpo.com should be promoted to attendees? Present business model.

1. Find interesting location (away from Vegas)
2. Involve interesting and successful people in workshops, hoping they offer tidbits that make it worth the price of admission.
3. Make it condusive to easy networking opportunities.
4. Direct mail to past attendees.
5. Posts on popular webmaster boards.
6. Try to get links from exhibitors.
7. Ads in webmaster publications
8. Website with information
9. Hype on the parties (which usually can't be done on a timely basis, because they are usually a last minute thing.
10. Personal emails

Any ideas would certainly be considered.

Sharpie War and Peace

p.s. Know what I mean? ;-)


Vick If you hate making money, don't click here.

Koko,

That was a very smart post. I've always thought that there are 2 basic principles to look at when investigating a new venture:

1. Is there a problem that needs to be solved?

2. If it's solved, will people buy it? Or, at least, can they be convinced that they MUST buy it?

Now, I haven't always followed my own advice, but I think if you can answer both questions above with YES, that's a damn good start.

Take http://www.adultcontentnews.com/ for example.

1) Problem to be solved? YES. I spent a day and a half looking through disorganized resource sites for a specific kind of content. BIG WASTE OF TIME.

2) Will people buy? In this case, the question is, will content providers advertise? Answer is YES, because the site caters to people who smarter than to waste time and are specifically looking for content. Target market, connected with the content provider via my site. Smart advertising for provider.


ThrobX If you hate making money, don't click here.

Smart Marketing - Get a prescription filled and you will be made to wait 20 mins even if they have no others script to fill so that you walk around and do impulsive buying.

Smart Marketing: Layout of Grocery store, most common needed items are on opposite sides of story forcing you to walk thru land of temptation.

How many have said, "Damn, look at all this stuff in the buggy, and I only came here for bread"
Lee Noga CyberErotica - How to make money, lift FM's wallet

Playboy has a huge market share and brand when it come to magazines, but move like a dinosaur


GP - Thanks I had a vowel problem

For those who slept through it
Marketing 101 ;-)
Selling is in essence transference of emotion
I have to get you, my prospect to feel like I do about my product
If I am not excited about my product .... obviously I will not produce as well as someone who is
If all else fails be excited about the revenue you can generate and transfer that excitement to your prospect

It's not what you say, it's what you ask!




Vick With the right ads, 1:100 are common ratios! CleanBrowser.com

smart marketing deal like square burgers look bigger than round burger of the same weight. Meat extends out of the bun at the corners.

Go Wendy.
buzz With the right ads, 1:100 are common ratios! CleanBrowser.com

Serge,

There's to much to be said about Microsoft : )

Ulfie,
i'm watching ; )
KoKo With the right ads, 1:100 are common ratios! CleanBrowser.com

Vick,

Homer Simpson says "Doh!"
which is different from "Duh"

Doh: expressing chagrin or frustration, usually as a result of one's own foolishness
Duh: inviting someone to realize that they have stated the obvious

Sample dialog:
A: Hey, I just figured out 2+2=4
B: Duhhhh...
C: Ha ha
A: Doh!

Just doing my part to up the number of posts today.

GP With the right ads, 1:100 are common ratios! CleanBrowser.com

Lee,

Marketing trends come and go like bad fashion.

I'm not a firm believer in "Create the NEED and fill it"
Webvan tried to create a need and fill it.

Tivo is trying to do the same, like many other examples...

It's costs to much money to create a need... doesn't mean it doesn't work.. but probably works best with OPM ; )


1. I'll stick to the 500 year marketing principle:
"Find a problem, and Solve it"

2. Secondly i'm a firm believer in, "Focus on the buy side".
I see to many people in the biz world putting all their energy on the sell side, with the proper buying the selling flows...
KoKo With the right ads, 1:100 are common ratios! CleanBrowser.com

Vick, mark my words,
as much as we scratch our balls today and wonder how Polaroid and Xerox are on the brink of extinction,
so will be doing people 20 years from now wondering the same about PLayboy.
Serge hungry-hungry hippoes!

Is that the heady scent of pith I smell this morning?

=0)
**********

no, sir, all you saw was business discussion which started from
10 letters posted by Dravyk in his tag line which were
4 FREE BUCKS

post #2558
;-)))
Serge we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

https://racingusa.playboy.com/

Ok they missed the mark in adult, can they fuck up on line betting as well?



"Pre-selling the pay site is increasing conversions, "
Cue Homer Simpson "DUH!"
Vick we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

KoKO,
I think Microsoft can give us many more valuable lessons!
;-))


Serge we get Billy drown in bandwidth!

Koko, funny that you post just as I'm signing up for softwarebucks. Are you watching me? ;)


Ulfie CyberErotica - Recurring or per sign up, who cares, break FM's wallet, please.

Hey Lee !!

Always makes my day to hear from you : )


Billy CyberErotica - Recurring or per sign up, who cares, break FM's wallet, please.

What did my 40K of school loans get me for my paper on the wall:

The 80's marketing concept was "Product will sell itself"

The 90's marketing concept that is still valid in the millenium:

"Create the NEED and fill it"

Pre-selling the pay site is increasing conversions, the days of banners only are gone, text links with banners or apart from banners is Ok, preselling with recommendations and "why", has excellent "cause and effect" results.

Note to Self: Clean Dog Poop From Bedroom
Lee Noga CyberErotica - Recurring or per sign up, who cares, break FM's wallet, please.

Ulfie,

So the lesson is, never stop making smart deals : )
KoKo With the right ads, 1:100 are common ratios! CleanBrowser.com

Serge/Billy,

September it is ;-)
Tukhman Official Counter of the Automotive Industry

Morning, Opranos!

Is that the heady scent of pith I smell this morning?

=0)

Gavster Pith, the pause that refreshes

If being first and having the best product was what mattered we would all be using Macintoshes. Microsoft won the marketing war and dominates the market now. There is a lesson in there somewhere.
Ulfie If you hate making money, don't click here.

Did I break the board???
ThrobX If you hate making money, don't click here.

Whoops, sorry Mutt, almost forgot...

THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENT!

ThrobX In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

Mutt,

I don't discuss infrastructure in public. ;D

ThrobX In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

Good point, Serge. You've just given me three ideas!

ThrobX
************

John,
please bill for ideas separately!

have him sign royalties bearing agreement too!

JMScore, Bill Parody, BigY,
this applys to you too!
;-))
Serge hungry-hungry hippoes!

Cool sites Throbx. You using Grant's news script?
mutt In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

Good point, Serge. You've just given me three ideas!

ThrobX In the land of one-handed surfers, content is king!

*******
Better than getting fucked to death by a mob of hungry hungry hippos!
*******

ThrobX,

Hippos are deadly!
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhippo.html

"Hippos defecate copious amounts into the rivers and ponds in which they wallow all day and also partake of a charming ritual described by hippo experts as 'dung showering.'"

New niche... who'll supply content?

GP hungry-hungry hippoes!

ThrobX, it just occured to me,
did you try talking business with Brad???

I think you'd do extremelly well at
http://www.freeadultgraphics.com/msgboard/message.cgi

he runs the most popular CONTENT discussions board out there.
Serge hungry-hungry hippoes!

I can't decide......... is Dusty eligible to be a moron? Moronicy and senility are two different things. hmmmmmmmmm.........
mutt
*************

Mutt,
as I said before,
not many of us gonna reach Dusty's age,
I learned that from my kids,
when their grandpa talks-
they never argue, but rather

nod and smile, nod and smile, nod and smile...
;-0))


Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

JR,

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GP Say My Name, Say My Name

Mutt - will you send me an email please?

Sharpie Say My Name, Say My Name

"GET YOUR ASS OVER TO HTTP://WWW.CYBERNETEXPO.COM AND GET SIGNED UP - NOW!"

FINALLY, you got my attention, Fay! I'm going to sign up now. ;D

"Serge getting fucked to death by a mob of hungry whores, is that a good thing are a bad thing ??? Grimm ?? ThrobX ???"

Better than getting fucked to death by a mob of hungry hungry hippos!

ThrobX Say My Name, Say My Name

I can't decide......... is Dusty eligible to be a moron? Moronicy and senility are two different things. hmmmmmmmmm.........
mutt A political statement ....click here

http://www.xoticdesigns.com/2008.html

good one!
Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

Tom Blanchard is a moron........death threats are good for Morons page
mutt
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no they are not!

I won't put anybody there who threatens to kill me!

;-))

My safety will be better served if we list death threats on Perls...
;-)))
Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

Serge getting fucked to death by a mob of hungry whores, is that a good thing are a bad thing ???
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Billy,
I spoke with Nick LikeWhoa,
you'll know the answer to this question in September.

who'll take care of Dee?
;-))
Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

thanks serge! when the webmaster here hooks up the Morons page http://www.xoticdesigns.com/morons.html i'll email a button

Tom Blanchard is a moron........death threats are good for Morons page
mutt A political statement ....click here

$10 to the first one who can identify the post which inspired this
business discussion.

10 letters started this topic...

what were those 3 words, 9 letters and one digit???

Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

--- "When everyone's banging their fist on the table, the way to get attention is to use your shoe to bang louder! Not by using the Dravyk method and sitting quietly. ;D"

ThrobX, he who bangs shoe, makes room go "Phew"!!! :-)

--- "fucked to death by a mob of a hungry whores"

LOL! Excellent, Serge!

It's too nice a day to stay inside. Catch ya'll later. :-))

Dravyk All Of 'Em

Tro! Whats up man, long time!
Looks like you were in good company back then:
pp4 - Bill Murray
pp5 - you
pp6 - Voice Media
Hit me up on ICQ some time and we'll shoot the shit a little 2072092

Yo DK ;-)
Big Block, Bad Dog, Mr. Tiny Penis, etc. the names go on forever! LOL

Damn, this board moves fast......


Ed newb circa 1996

Serge getting fucked to death by a mob of hungry whores, is that a good thing are a bad thing ???

Grimm ??

ThrobX ???


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OK - I am learning that I am too subtle hehehe
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Sharpie, yes you are, and if you recall our conversation in Vegas , Jan 1999,
I TOLD YOU THAT THAN!!!
;))
Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

LOL! And what would you have been dead from? :-))

Dravyk
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fucked to death by a mob of a hungry whores????
;-0))
Serge $40 non-adult bucks!

OK - I am learning that I am too subtle hehehe

"He walks onto my desk, sits in front of my monitor so I can't see, and yells in my face. THAT'S how you
get action out of a prospective customer!!!"

So here goes:

GET YOUR ASS OVER TO HTTP://WWW.CYBERNETEXPO.COM AND GET SIGNED UP - NOW! Ya snooze - ya lose! and all that good stuff!

Don't make me give you a half page summary on why you should go.

Sharpie The home of Newbie Bootcamp

ThrobX,
and this si EXACTLY what Khruschev did in UN!
;-)))
Serge CHECKS ARE GOOD! checks are VERY good

Wow, I missed a lot...

Grimm: "the idea that a good product will market itself is crap. Lots of good products fail because of bad marketing"

Very true. As was so eloquently stated to me by a newbie sage on another board, "if you build it, they will come." My response, improved by others on this board, "if you build it and market it properly, they will come." "If you build it, they will come" is one of the most moronic movieland sayings ever to infiltrate its way into business.

Here's a lesson from my cat... when he wants me to walk across the room and bend over, so he can jump from the other desk onto my back and then onto the top of a shelf where he likes to sleep, he doesn't sit quietly in the corner. He walks onto my desk, sits in front of my monitor so I can't see, and yells in my face. THAT'S how you get action out of a prospective customer!!!

Dravyk: "On a page of 29 animated banners, the one static banner stands out"

JR: "the person who bangs his fist on the table the loudest gets the most attention... at least in Russia."

When everyone's banging their fist on the table, the way to get attention is to use your shoe to bang louder! Not by using the Dravyk method and sitting quietly. ;D

ThrobX Anyone mention me last night while I was gone?