"JR is coming to the age when some ideals are lost and the World is seen in the light the world really is. "
________________________________

ok Neitchze.
JR

I know Serge, me, I'm just a realist.
KK interesting idea.

BTW,
Meni, you should be proud of me,
I just ordered 2! electronic bugs repelents!

no more red ants for me!
;-))
Serge

KK,
I am a cynic....
;-)
Serge

"JR is coming to the age when some ideals are lost and the World is seen in the light the world really is. "
-----------------------------

Serge, the two are not mutually exclusive you know.

:)

KK interesting idea.

yes, edd, they both GREAT!

Compliments of Vick!
;-))
Serge

chr0nic,
get in touch with Moose,
he MIGHT have somethign for you
Serge

Serge - I'll fix the title thingy - and I'll try to get the new Contest today - I guess its up to me to choose which picture to use.... ;)
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ED, very good observation,
can you think of a title for the page and....
when are we going to launch new Contest?

I e-mailed you pics a week ago
;-(((
Serge

"Patton and McArthur are turning in their graves... "

They are not turning, I think they are spinning at about 5000 RPM's.



DaveAFX

"broom with splinters up your ass"
************************************

That would explain why someone forgot to give this page a title


Cleo

haha, Serge, I'd say thats more of a test of one's courage more than a depiction of a sex act.
:-)))
voodooman

"Mere nudity, for example, is not obscenity. It has to depict actual sex acts."

********************

Mutt,
I need a lawyer.....

is
"broom with splinters up your ass"
a "depiction of an actual sex act?"

I hope not....
;-)))

Serge

Porn Awareness Week! Maybe they are getting ready to honor us pornographers finally but I dunno it sounds like they have other plans

Read about Porn Awareness Week at
you guessed it http://www.opranoplus.com

Also the High Court is ready to hear the case about digital child porn, is a digitally produced depiction of
children in sexual situations the very same as actual real living children photographed or videotaped?


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Art - that's a deal : ))


Aly Are you earning $60 per sign up today???

Voodoo,
this is exactly the problem of the world-
complete incompetence at ANY level where the power is involved
;-)))
Serge

There was a sign saying restricted parking, 9am-9pm or some shit like that, but, the arrow was pointing to the parking lot to the right of the street, so, I took a picture and told him to fight it.

voodooman Check it out!!!

I can't believe it!
this is bullshit!!!

I hope Tom has no intention paying this shit!

it was parked A-OK!

mothefuckers!
Serge

Serge, We got a fuckin parking ticket at Casablanca's.
Believe that shit?
voodooman Check it out!!!

Maybe it will have the more "intimate" atmosphere that could get me to visit again!
*****************************

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Serge

Sharpie,

And we WILL meet some day, really! :-)

I'll be in SF Nov 2 - Nov 11.. No trade show for me this year..

You know I'm not a big fan of those things, especially not if they are as massive as the show I did attend...

But maybe I should look into visiting one again next year. I'll be interested to hear the reports about your "new format" for this show. Maybe it will have the more "intimate" atmosphere that could get me to visit again! :-)


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dont fuck with Zhora. :-))))
************************************

Voodoo,
NOBODY fucks with Zhora,
even me
;-)))

Serge

and witty, intellegent lyrics
******************************

I can't agree more!
Serge

"I have Zhora to deal with visitors and."

hahaha, I seen first hand, dont fuck with Zhora. :-))))



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Vick Gooooood Morning

no, Voodoo, thank you!
Serge

Goodmorninoprano.

Hey Serge,
Thanks!
voodooman Check it out!!!

Colin,
I'm sure we'll find out in 2-3 weeks...

I personally don't see ANYTHING USA
can do for the moslem world to
1) love us
2) hate us even more...

I say...fuck 'em!
Serge

Vick, who wrote this?
Serge

Hey there Art... we have corresponded for years & was hoping to meet up with you someday. When are you going to San Francisco? You know, AdultDex is just a couple of weeks off - any chance you are going to be around the? I am sure there are a lot of people in the biz who would like to meet you.

Sharpie Fun is good!

These triumphs and successes
Just lead to bigger messes
Once blessed and bound for glory
But that's another story

All your dreams will fall apart
Your fondest wishes too
And the fears you thought you conquered
Will be right here when they do

Whispers of a history
You’d left for dead and gone
Like the little bird who told me
That you ain’t no fuckin’ swan

Self-taught and -referential
Drunk on your own potential
That cruel and patient chuckling
Is just your inner duckling

Eager to expose you
For the hero that you’re not
And remind you in its lullabies
Of failures you’d forgot

If you were really clever
You’d make it live forever
Pray God that when the drought hits
You get to keep the outfits


Vick Ode to disclosure - Swan Dive - Food for thought

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Will the leader follow the people or the people follow the leader?
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Aly,

Summer sounds better! Can we have a barbeque again? I promise not to arrive with a hangover like the last time ;-))

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Sounds more like "Overt operations".
Colin TGP2 Bucks. The Naked Truth.

Art, You can come stay with me any time : )) But I doubt the temperatures here in Jersey are any enticement this time of year ! Cold and blustery - yuck !! Maybe in the summer !!??


Aly Are you earning $60 per sign up today???

Cleo,
if you bringing women,
let's move the demonstration to Fort Lauderdale,
and we'll all meet at
Broward County Correctional Facility
;-)))

let's pick a hot day for it,
I heard they keep temperature there around 50F inside
;-))
Serge

anybody wanna join me in "pro-war demonstration in Boca"?
**************************************
I can bring a bunch from Fort Lauderdale. How many would you like? They will all be woman is that OK? What is the dress attire for pro war demonstrations? Should we all plan on a get together at your place afterwards?

Cleo

Do you promise to wear Army Fatigues?
*******************

nope, I preffer "nekkid",
I LOVE covert operations
;-)))
Serge

Colin,
Zhora in Russian is equvilent of George
;-))

I didn't name him like that, the previous owners did but....
it was HIS Karma,
because George and Serge sounds very much alike on the phone!

Sometimes I wonder myself who is really running things around here
;-)))
Serge

Serge,

Do you promise to wear Army Fatigues?
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Fatigues but not tired. An Army of Many!

Serge,

There's a Zhora of some non-adult net fame that owned a company called Parallel Graphics.

Is Zhora a somewhat common Russian name?
Colin TGP2 Bucks. A Parallel Universe in itself

Colin,
Zhora takes Graphics jobs too...

contact him at
zhora@oprano.com
;-)))
Serge

Art,
I am always for the "balancing reporting"
;-)))

from CNN:
USA conciders pausing the war for Ramadan.

How come we didn't pause the war for Hitler's birthday?????

How come moslems do not pause the wars they fight against themselves?

is that a WAR or "war games"?

Patton and McArthur are turning in their graves...
anybody wanna join me in "pro-war demonstration in Boca"?
Serge

Is that Zhora of "Parallel Graphics"?
Colin TGP2 Bucks. A Parallel Universe in itself

Darn Serge,

You make it sound sooo attractive ;-))

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I love the KISS formula :-)
*******************************

that is the ONLY formula which works
;-))
Serge

Art, no problems,
I have Zhora to deal with visitors and...
Antrax was found at my post office
;-))
do you inhale?
;-))))

Jonas and Emil are still in Miami,
Jonas bought an appartment of his own and moved few blocks from where he used to live.

I left his e-mail in NJ,
but I'll find it thru other means and I'm sure he'll join us for dinner too!

come over, I'll put a PC on a barbie for you
;-))
Serge

Serge,

Thanks, I appreciate it!

You should be careful though, because I really enjoyed my previous visit to Florida and might actually take you up on the offer! And then you'll have to find a way to get rid of me again. I might just like it a bit too much! :-)

Do Jonas and Emil still live in Miami? I had dinner with them when I was there in 98!

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cj,
Zhora, not "zorba" ;-)
--

OOPS!!! I was thinking zorba the greek :-))))

that's the same type of dog my aunt had! he sounds like he's got it figured out. :-) Harley, (my staffy) uses manipulation :-)))

he is good for 10 mils,
---

LOL lmk after that :-))))
john, are your ears burning?! :-)

Here's the thing I like - EVERYTHING IS SIMPLE. If I need something, i send info, it gets done, i get confirmation in return. I love the KISS formula :-)

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cj, one side note...

I was partying with Pushrod and Ro and Push couldn't pronounce Zhora either!

he called him...
Boujoulle!
and the funniest thing was...
Zhora responded!
;-)))
Serge

Art, I only know Slavik down there....

have fun and if Florida gets on the way of your travels-
my house is open for you,
I'll be delighted to see you over and you can stay with me.

You have an open invitation.
Serge

cj,
Zhora, not "zorba" ;-)
is airdele terrier,
and he doesn't take care of me,
I take care of him,
freaking son of a bitch, He! figured it all out!
;-)))

John is NOT "quite behind the scene" anymore,
he runs his own companies and quite independent from me.

I contract his services as you do, he is NOT my employee.

He has my outmost trust, he had a signature to all SSS, Inc acounts when millions of dollars were passing thru every months,
he is good for 10 mils,
after that I'll have to re-evaluate,
I HOPE the opportunity presents itself one day
;-)))

you missed interesting
JR's coming out of the closet,
but I don't believe we heard the end of it
;-))
Serge

Serge,

I don't think I know anyone in SF, so I don't think so! :-)

I'm actually in the area to do some maintenance on my servers (in San Jose) and decided to add a week to enjoy the USA. My last visit was in january 1999, so it's about time too!

Art eroticstories.com

John is a high caliber professional,
--

here here!! john has been a pleasure to work with for the year i've been operating sexhit. he's one of the quiet behind the scenes guys and a complete professional.

serge, is zorba a yorkshire terrier? my great aunt had a similar dog called 'yocky' who lived for 23 years. he looked after her better than any person could have for all those years. She is now 97 and still takes her daily walk - a habit from being a dog owner for so long. zorba looks adorable :-))

wow, looks like i missed a big day on the board!!

cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!

Art,
you have a good eye, my friend
;-))

are you visiting anybody I know in SF?
Serge

Serge,

Yep, and where you can see that showing some "pink" may not always be an advantage ;-)

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Art, you p[icked up the right pic of him for Forest lessons...
it demonstrate well what happens when one humps his own leg!
;-))
http://www.cotac.com/~knight/ZZZ/Zhora1.jpg
;-)))
Serge

Art, yes, he definatelly has a potential,
he pissed away the opportunities in the business by "making contracts' with Seths and alike,
his "ideals" kept him away from a real money train, but...
I have faith that this "boycheck" will catch up and surprise us all one day...
but not today.
Serge

so?

neithe can I!
;-)))

he can dictate....we BOTH might use a secrtery
;_))
Serge

Serge,

Nevermind: http://www.cotac.com/~knight/ZZZ/Zhora1.jpg

I think Zhora lessons should be just for Forest in that case ;-)


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Serge,

Oops, I thought Zhora was your girfriend! Apparently not, so can you enlighten me? I'm curious ;-)

I think JR is quite an interesting character. He had something mystical about him and I liked reading his 'revelations' on the board earlier today.

And he seems to be doing quite well. Setting up business in a foreign country that is so radically different from your own, and living there for years, is quite an achievement, and I think it is very educational..

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Zhora can't type..


dig420 new design, new billing, new script, new program!

Art,
I honestly believe that Zhora can run 80% of websites out here,
his ethics, intelligence, manners,
posture, instincts,
matches or exceeds 90% of webmasters out here
;-))

if I was a betting man,
I'd put more money on JR than on Forest.

JR is coming to the age when some ideals are lost and the World is seen in the light the world really is.

I think he has better potential and
age will shape him into somebody eventually.

Serge

Gary,

Stop betting against your son!
Colin TGP2 Bucks. It's Art.

Hey Colin,

How are things on the TGP2 front?


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Hi Art!
Colin TGP2 Bucks. It's Art.

"i too, am doing pretty well for an idiot."

Fuckin' look what Meni started
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Look what Insite started!

Serge,

"I'm sure Claudia is thankful to him for that"


Maybe Forest can take lessons in "letting go" from Zhora together with JR ;-)


And I forget the name of John's company (or at least the name that appears on the cheques). I remember I spent a long time figuring out what that cheque was for ;-)

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Art,
miscommunication my ass!

She was late over 3weeks 'till John used very ofensive word in his communications, the word which offended her so bad that she fell apart.

The word was..."fucking".

who could have thought the word "fucking" would be so offensive to Porn site operator?

John is a high caliber professional, unlike me,
he was paying money to 27,000 webmasters since 1998,
he paid for ScottPB, General Timon, among others, he has the biggest webmaster list I know.

Have he ever offered me the list to inform webmasters about Oprano?

Has he ever had an issue with webmaster before?

NOPE, cuz he IS a high grade Pro and conducts his business as a Pro.

I would have never brought Mart's debt into the picture if it wasn't for village idiot Forest, one of C's "boys",
upon his own admission-
he loves pushing my buttons,
well,
I'm sure Claudia is thankful to him for that
;-)))
Serge

Serge,

The second problem seemed to me like just a miscommunication to me, at least from what I saw about it.
The first one is a major foul up though ;-(

I like Claudia (and that's not because she has great boobs, although I must say they are impressive ;-) and I would like to see you two call each other and work it out, it seems there are no unresolvable differences.

I know, I know, it's none of my business. I'll shut up now.

Art eroticstories.com

no, I didn't.

She contacted me because her entry into the business world on the net
was FAR from sucessful and Nick and Anthony
pointed her my way for advice.

I gave her few points
mostly based upon
KISS formula and she started worshipping me.

She was asking for my guidance on lots of issues and I was glad helping her any way I could.

She rubbed me the wrong way twice,
first time when she cancelled the Amsterdam November show, I had tix to without telling me
and second time when she started pissing with my John for the money she owed, knowing that I am in Turkey and away from the PC.


hey,
"after all, I'm just a man" and one can pull the wool over my eyes
like over anybody's else eyes,
except-
FUCK ME and your silicone tits won't save your ass with me,
that's all.....
Serge

Serge,

Have you ever met Claudia?


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this business needs leadership and professionalism. not more circus clowns who are quietly waiting to make your private issues public just to get attention. tearing people down is not "integrity". Building people up and leading is.
********************************

you lived in Russia for way too long for your own good.

The belief in a "Leader", Father, "Pahan"
is a very Russian.

Russians ALWAYS had a leader,
from old Tsar days,
while we, the yanks and such,
are mavericks and enterpreneurs,
we can do without "head honcho"

you need to change the environment,
Russian air is not good for you...
Serge

i do not care to post here much because i do not see the point in tearing people down as Serge does just to get attention. it is detrimental to all in this business. it is not a quest for "truth" it is a quest for "page views"
*************************


you don't see the point in it just because nobody pays attention to you.

Seems like Hoop is the one and only whose button you managed to push
;-0)
you gotta be MORE professional at it,
come Thursday,
I give lessons after 4 pm
;-0))
Serge

because i believe in her and believe she is a good person.
*******************************

do you believe in her MORE or less than you
believed in Seth Warshawsky?

do you believe in her LESS or more than you believed people who were promissing you millions for spam?

do you believe in her MORE or less
when you believed in me and
cryed on my shoulder?


...and most important, oh Judge of Charecters,
how much is your believe based upon
bookkeeping rather than on silicone tits?

you told me several times that the hardest part of your business
(and Claudia's)
is to keep bitches in line.

does she do that well and
her "bitches management" impressd you the most?

care to share how the Pimp Hand
really works?
Serge

Hooper,
I am not saying that he is a "loss" to the world,
but...
those personality quirks haunt him and haunt HIM more than anybody.

I DO enjoy his wit,
and if he only knew when to let go,
(My Zhora can give lessons)
;-))
he'd be priceless.

Maybe he'll obtain those qualities with age
;-))

everybody mellow down...eventually
;-)))
Serge

lol.. just nice seeing him finally show himself outside of the love letter he sent me a year ago.
Hooper

A respectable russian spammer who takes the moral highground...

***********************************

Hoop,
c'mon, he is sincere,
he complained to me how bad he felt cashing checks he recieved for spamming
child porn from Russia.
Serge

Oh man.. i'll sleep well tonight.
*********************************

I bet you will
;-)))

nice seeing him smoked out, huh?
;-)))
Serge

if this is a revelation night and my name involved,
I have to add a few cents too.


EVERY BOARD PERSONALITY I KNOW
has it's own quirks and "split personality"
and Mark has his.

I was keeping his ANON status and secrets (I usually keep them well, despite the popular believes ;-)))
but now when je came out of the closet-
I see no points keeping them any longer.

I don't know what's true and what's not,
except the person I spoke on the phone from Russia called himself Mark.

What does TRUE-
1) seems to me that
Hour Late and Dollar Short
is a story of JR's life.
Seth and Voyerdom,
he came up with idea of
fuckedwebmasters.com
just to see Lee Noga going with it live next day,
always chasing his own tail.

2) he was trying desperately starting business relations with me,
asked me to introduce him Casino owners he could spam for-
I did,
Nothing came of it, I don't know why.

he was trying getting into the Oprano business, but once again
"Hour Late and Dollar Short"
seemed to follow him every where,
all ideas he came up with were either too naive or already in progress by others.

3) JR often likes to fight like Don Quixote with winf mills,
he was one of the Luke Ford "sources"....
nothing much came out of it either.

Mark DeShong,
I had Shrimp DeJong tonite at Carson steak house, I haven't realised the significance of it, now I do
;-))

I wish you well,
I hope you find yourself and your own ways one day
and do find yourself in leadership position you wanted so much and can't get...
I wish you marry your cute russian fiancee and have lots of russian speaking children and most importantly
russian speaking mother in law
;-)))

...and if you were impressed with Claudia the same way you were impressed with Seth and Dave-
I wish your kids to have a smart father, whatever that means
;-)))
Serge

Oh man.. i'll sleep well tonight.
Hooper

How long is the line behind you?
Hooper

---
of course, tearing people down for some is easier
---

You heard it from the horses mouth.
Hooper

---
i set up two spam networks
---

There ya go. A respectable russian spammer who takes the moral highground...
Hooper

---
I think the total times i have spoofed my ip to post was maybe 10. i never did it to attack people.
---

Bullshit.
Hooper

I hold myself responcible for JR losing part of his ballsiness and Alias.
_______________________________

my name is Mark DeShong
I was born in Alaska in 1970
i live in Seattle. I have worked in Russia for 6 years. I am pretty much fluent in Russian. I began as a very well paid consultant to a Russian fishing company and moved into adult ventures to get out of a life long history of fishing.

I originally had the idea to set up a voyeur house coincidentally, at the same time Voyeur Dorm was launched. Except i wanted to do it in Russia. I did it, invested a couple hundred grand, had a contract with IEG and Dave Marshalack (design, programming, hosting, marketing etc) which both defaulted completely on their obligations to me due to their own lawsuits between each other costing me everything.

it could be said honestly that they fucked me pretty hard. Unless there is another way to interpret "what contract, we have a contract... i have never seen a contract, i will call you back in 10 minutes... CLICK"

Since then, i took over another voyeur house, moved it to Russia since the house was set up and operating costs are lower.

I started many live chat rooms for other companies in the same location. I recently built new and massive studios in moscow and am expanding my business considerably with several companies.

I currently have about 80 employees, from girls to security, to drivers, cooks/cleaners, tech support and so on. At the end of next month, i will have more than 120-130 employees.

while expanding my adult business, i have dropped all my non-adult ventures to focus on what makes me the most money. The only non-adult incomes i have are from rental properties in Seattle which is still a hot market and getting better because of dragging economy and a wave of refinancing and foreclosures with vacancy rates still strong and prices now having peaked.

my mobile number is 7-902-176-5003 (but my battery is dead. I will be in the car in a few minutes, it will work)
i learned to spoof my IP because i cannot access many sites from Russia and many cc processors block russian transactions. I think the total times i have spoofed my ip to post was maybe 10. i never did it to attack people.

i set up two spam networks for other people which was a massive headache and nightmare and i stopped it all. I regret doing it. But when someone promises millions in a short time, you get tempted.

i do not work for Claudia. I may work WITH her in the future. i do not have any contract or agreement with her. I did fly to Amsterdam to meet her and was immediately impressed with what i believed to be a first class operation.

rare in a business full of bullshitters.

i did not defend her because of a business relationship with her. i defended her, because i believe in her and believe she is a good person.

i do not care to post here much because i do not see the point in tearing people down as Serge does just to get attention. it is detrimental to all in this business. it is not a quest for "truth" it is a quest for "page views"

this business needs leadership and professionalism. not more circus clowns who are quietly waiting to make your private issues public just to get attention. tearing people down is not "integrity". Building people up and leading is.

of course, tearing people down for some is easier.

I learned a long time ago a simple truth: if you think you are a leader... just turn around and look behind you and ask "who is following"?

and i too, am doing pretty well for an idiot.

a picture of me is at www.fuckedwebmasters.com

JR

I picked 3.

I suck. :(

A little tip: pick the ones without blue on their helmets...the ones with blue on their helmets always lose...


Lisa Tis not easy being green...

yup Meni you do lead the NationalNet
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Going to have to figure out a good tie breaker for this game.
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Who's kickin' baseball pool ass?
ME
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Vick I'm going to go back to college, I'm going to quit my job, I'm gonna buy the liquor store I been planning to rob

Does everyone remember when Secretariat ran the Belmont? He finished 33 some lengths ahead of his nearest competitor, a horse I think named Sham.

Marie is running away from the rest of us in the football pool like a thoroughbreed! :-))

Lord Baltimore

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Ulfie

Hi Blondy... thanks for the invite but not tonight please... too tired to be witty ;-)))
Hooper

Mutt, Ihold myself responcible for JR losing part of his ballsiness and Alias.

It was me who convinced him that doing business with Claudia could be good for him
;-(((
Serge

So Meni, we are even eh?

Hooper, are you home for a live call tonight?


Blondy PRIZES tonight on Blondy's Hangover Show LIVE @ 10pm EST thats 7pm Pacific :)

Mutt,
before living in Russia,
JR spent conciderable amount of time in USA, he was even BORN here
;_)))
Serge

Elliot Offen is a wacko from the Howard Stern show. How would justreading know about him living in Russia?

Directv is viewable from Russia?
mutt