Back in the good old days of text based AV sites <sigh> Mondays and Tuesdays used to be my best days. I figured it was all the workerbees using the company computer to look at porn. Now that most of my hits come from AOL, the weekends are better, especially Fri and Sat nights - new and/or drunk and/or new home users ;)



Peaches

Serge - Mondays come in a lil shy of Saturday, being our best day. I like Mondays :)))

Marc De

hey i just noticed. where's Mike?
he was really going fishin?

how folksy and rural.

hope there aren't any retarded banjo players in the Bayou waiting for them. sooooooooooooooooooooEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
mutt Play the NationalNet Baseball Challenge. Beat Serge like a rented mule!

Thanks Vick. I didn't even know there was a football game on Thursday. I'll do this week's lineup
for the Pickem Challenge in the morning.

mutt At Meni's request OpranoPlus adds new news department! You are very welcome Meni! Enjoy!

ROFLMAO DiamondJim.. that is too funny! ;-)
fatbaby

Any of you paysite owners get tired of wasting customer service money on stupid surfers that complain their password doesn't work when they TYPE IT ALL IN CAPS?!!!

I've created the perfect solution for you...

http://www.barrltd.com/security/barr-scanner.htm

Diamond Jim For more innovations, click here...

It's a funny thing Serge, Tuesday used to be our worse day for overall sales.

Now Tuesday is one of the best days of the week.

However our overall sales haven't risen by adding Tuesdays newfound numbers to the rest of the week.

Overall sales have and are rising but another day fell down to take Tuesday's place.

So the concept of average week still is the same.
KK get more cash for your traffic

I thought you were retired.

590 days for me.
MelissaD Nobody is better than me!

Mr.Bee,
this is NOT fair to you!

ask at least for a buck or $1.25....

75 cents is payout for pussies, they can do BETTER!
Serge

Hello Oprano,
I was reading the terms at profit plantation and they are charging $4.99 a min on a 900# to all U.S. surfers and payout is $.75 to webmaster. Does anyone know if this is a fair payout? I do not know either way what their costs are for this.
Mr Bee

Just wanted to drop by and let you know I wasn't dead, just buried in work.
*****************

excuse me!

I am burried in work too,
but nevertheless, I find time to post and keep in touch with collegues on the board!
Serge

Just wanted to drop by and let you know I wasn't dead, just buried in work.

I'm just going to remind you of billing solution.

Appendix A: Transaction Fee Schedule

I. INCOMING FUNDS
Monthly Transaction Volume Transaction Fee

$0 - $99,000
9.00%
Plus $0.30

$100,000 - $249,999
8.50%
Plus $0.30

$250,000 - $499,999
8.00%
Plus $0.30

$500,000 - $999,999
7.50%
Plus $0.30

Greater than $1,000,000
7.00%
Plus $0.30

Additional Discount Schedule
(Applies to above rates only)

0.5% reduction if Billing company has Top Placement as Payment Option

OR,
1.0% reduction if Billing company is Default Processor for Visa/MC/Bank Transfer Payments



II. CHARGEBACK FEES
$10 fee per Charge-Back


This is pretty exciting mostly because of a few things:
-38 countries for processing
-they fight every single charge back.
-The FEES!!!
-Upper level limits are $9,995
-Lower limits are $1
-Multiple recurring – daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, annually, etc.

Oh yeah did I mention they already have 10 million users?

Hit me up on icq or e-mail if you want more information then they don't run an NT network.

15566387 ICQ

BTW - All work and no play makes Melissa a bigger bitch then usual. I've been surfing a few times the last couple of weeks, once paddled out right into a huge orange moon, once into a rainbow and once with a 6' shark and a huge manta. How cool is that?

Also what do you guys think of a fetish site- sunburnt tender bits?

Hope everyone is doing well. I'm going back to work :)
Mel.

meanwhile...
no nukes, no napalm, to
lawyers, but...
according to BBC, the third Hamas memebr responcible for terror attacks in Israel has died since weekend.


Serge

Clear and concise as always Serge! ;-)

fatbaby
***************

I wouldn't do it any other way...
;-))
Serge (Larry Flynt presents..I learned this from Forest!)

Serge i was thinking the same thing.
*******************

Moose,
that's what separate Oprano from the rest.

We take numbers, we analyse them,
REGARDLESS from whom the numbers came from.

Levies don't post their numbers here-
they know better than that!
;-))
Serge

The Statisticina statistics is just another form of my baseball pickings...
which is...BULLSHIT!

is that simple enough?
-------------------------

Clear and concise as always Serge! ;-)

fatbaby

20,000+ clicks over a week period?
*************************

yeap, this would be reliable enough,
+/- 20% to take in concideration
connectivity, wars, etc, etc.

but withing 20% I would concider those numbers reliable.
Serge

On the other hand if you send in 100 type in or se hits to get the average join, sending 10k would be well more than you needed for a sample.


KK
**************

Incorrect, I was the reciever of the traffic in question.

Guess what, the 10k hits on Monday do not have the same closing ratio as the same fucking hits from the same Altavista on Saturday.

Ask RB and he'll confirm, unless he is a lier,
that his shtick eith $60 for Monday is not a coincedence-MONDAYS SUCK!

therefore, what you say is not true...
Serge

also, how targeted are the licks?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

that should be links...of course targeted licks improve the orgasm conversion factor though
SykkBoy more fucked up niches coming soon

With the amount of traffic that is shown to any individual site, the numbers are pretty meaningless... so whats the point?

I must be missing something....
******************************

the point is and the proof is in the pudding-
I am the best baseball picker the adult world ever produced.

Look at the stats, and see the evidence.

The Statisticina statistics is just another form of my baseball pickings...
which is...BULLSHIT!

is that simple enough?
;-)))
Serge

listening to Serge..your just not hearing Serge!

:)~>

Dragonking
*********************

DK, don't give people ideas they can't comprehend.

YOU and Meat were listening THE SAME shpill...
you made millions and Meat has not.

having EARS is not guarantee to
UNDERSTAND what you hear
;-)))

Glad you do!
;-))
Serge

I'm back John, digging out from under a mountain of email and other stuff, answer your icq
KK get more cash for your traffic

something else to be taken into consideration is what page is counted as "the hit"?

some programs count first page, others second and so on...so that can be a factor...
how about sites that open a blur console that doesn't work in Netscape? or better yet, sites that crash in Netscape? how are those counted? so many factors...

also, how targeted are the licks? are they blind "Click Here" links or targeted? for example, with targeted traffic we do in the 1:100-125, but with "generic" links/traffic, we're probably closer to 1:1000-1250 range...
SykkBoy niches you didn't even know you had traffic for

well well...
I come out of hiding for a night and what do I see?
Serge posting like the old days.
Valuable information disguised as casaul banter. Your listening to Serge..your just not hearing Serge!

:)~>

Dragonking numbers dont lie...FLASH CA$H

going to the movies. :)
Colin Poisson Distribution

Well, ongoing may be benificial, time will tell.. depends on too many factors.. like KK said, where is the traffic coming FROM?

I remember test that AGA used to post, and those numbers were much more telling....

fatbaby

You just want the error to reduce towards 0 as the number of signups increases. Most webmasters would be happier to subtract one I think.
Colin Poisson Distribution

Mr.Cash been slow here, right when things started picking up, this anthrax shit kicked in and seems to have slowed things down again.


Anyone see this retard council person from Berkely on Oreilly? hahaha
She wants to use international law to go into afghanistan and apprehend the terrorists without violence. hahahahaha

Moose

Ted,

You're correct. No need to piss.

As I stated earlier "This is isn't particularly rigorous but validates most data." This means, here is a quick method for those that want an order of magnitude estimate.

We can discuss the Poisson Distribution instead if you wish. Since the distance between signups (clicks) will be distributed exponentially, the Poisson Distribution is the correct model for distribution of signups.

The uncertainty in those distributions is SQRT (AVG) and that's pretty simple in and of itself.

So if you get 7/7000, the standard deviation is SQRT 7, which is +/- 2.7 (24% error)

If you get 3/7000, the SD is 1.7.
So, 3+/- 1.7 (50% error)

If you get 2/300, the SD is 1.4
So, 2 +/- 1.4 (70% error)

My method is actually quite accurate. If you think about it, it makes sense that it works pretty good. Why? Because the error depends on the number of signups more than the number of clicks. Amazing? Nope. Just makes sense.

Comparing the quick subtract 1 and divide with the results from the accurate definition will give you comparably similar results for a wide range of experiments. Also .. the error reduces to 0 accurately as signups increases. This is just what should happen. Make a big graph with the two and you'll see you'll hardly ever go wrong.
Colin Poisson Distribution

Is it my imagination...or is everything really sllooowwww today?
MrCash This is where to get it......

Ongoing makes sense and will eventually yield the desired information from all sides of this point...or plane to be more mathmetically correct in my speaking...


Far-L Homegrown has been working the numbers for 20 years!

Fat Baby and others I agree on the sampling issue...and whether its a "Colin Factor" or some other method you use the more data you have the better you can manage decisions and I say that with xxxess.com winning this round in the fetish mesurments...One thing however that is very telling from a small sampling in this case is the Hit counts.Its a pretty good bet that if their shaving your hits...their shaving eleswhere too;))


Serge any comments:))LOL
JohnIP Great Conversions...Accurate Counts

From what i understand the numbers are going to be ONGOING from now on and it will be updated a couple times a week. Dissappointed we aren't in the test though considering we did pretty well the one time we were on. :>))



TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?

I was looking over the new numbers in THE STATISTICIAN, and wondering much like what you folks are discussing. With the amount of traffic that is shown to any individual site, the numbers are pretty meaningless... so whats the point?

I must be missing something....

fatbaby

Oh Boy...a Numbers argument with Colin..good luck boys;))

KK are you back ..hit me on ICQ!
JohnIP

TheEforcer,
your post# 25302
decribed it to the T!

VERY GOOD!
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????
Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:18:23 - IP: 172.186.169.243 - Post # 25306
---------------------------------


Thanks Serge! Would have responded sooner but was in the middle of a bunch of work. :>))



TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?

LOL I dont know about always, but as the popular saying around here goes, In Numbers We Trust ;)))
KK :)

KK is sooo right as always.
Ted

The gross measure would hold true if everyone was getting an equal portion of traffic from the same sources --

Prime example is up front payouts.

You think the Hun gets anywhere near the money that Webfather does for 25k clicks a day?

;-}}}
KK :)

KK: Good point, and true for more in depth analysis, but you can certainly measure the gross which is accumulated from all sources...

...even though, naturally, the net of cash that you earn is what really matters...

Far-L Homegrown has been working the numbers for 20 years!

Colin,
Arent' you the guy giving peolpe advice on Opranoplus on 'Ask Colin'?

I cannot belive what you just wrote? "Subtract one"!? That has to be one of the most non statistic things I've ever read? I'm not trying to piss here but that's not exactly rational reasoning....
Ted

Where the hits are coming from are as important as anything else in determining how many it takes to get an accurate sample.

If you have to send it 10k tgp clicks to get a join then you'd need way more than 10k to get a real idea.

On the other hand if you send in 100 type in or se hits to get the average join, sending 10k would be well more than you needed for a sample.


KK :)

I should qualify though... I am much more concerned about retention ratios than conversion ratios when it all comes down the pipe...

Far-L Homegrown has been working the numbers for 20 years!

Colin: Agreed, but following the original example perhaps the probability of a "lucky" sign-up occurs every out of three per 4500 which would change that "just subtract one" part of the equation. To establish that pattern would require way more numbers in my opinion...
Far-L Homegrown has been working the numbers for 20 years!

2 in 300 would be a swing from 1:150 to 1:300. From the point of view of the 300, this is 50% change. This is not good data either.

This should be from point of view of the 150 to stay consistent. So 100% swing is REAL bad.
Colin Ask Colin

This isn't particularly rigorous but validates most data.

Using this method .. 1 in anything will always give bad data .. which should be the case.

2 in 300 would be a swing from 1:150 to 1:300. From the point of view of the 300, this is 50% change. This is not good data either.

7 in 7000 is 1:1000. Subtract one and you have 1:1166. 15% change. Not bad.

3 in 7000 is 1:2333. Subtract one and you have 1:3500. 50% change. Bad.

Keep trying examples and this really makes sense for most things you try.
Colin Ask Colin

This is from an old "Ask Colin" .. not archived yet. Depends on number of hits AND ratio. 10 in 10,000 is pretty good data. 1 in 10,0000 is not. Use this trick:


----------------------------

Another mistake people commonly make is not using enough data. If a particular sponsor has converted 4500 of your visitors into 3 signups for a 1:1500 ratio, you really haven't learned that much. A little trick I sometimes use is to subtract one signup and see how much difference it makes. I think of this as "removing a lucky signup." If you had 4500 visitors and 2 signups, that would be 1:2250. That's a 50% difference (2250/1500). You need more data! If you send 10,000 visitors to a sponsor and get 10 signups, that is 1:1000. Subtract
one signup for 10,000 visitors and 9 signups, you have 1:1111. That's about a 10% difference. Not perfect but much better than the 50% example above.

Colin Ask Colin

Anything less than 100,000 is not even worth talking about. A million is where some true justification can be made..

Far-L Homegrown has been working the numbers for 20 years!

There is a Thursday night football game this week so you might want to get your picks in early
I had a very lucky week - But damn it the only loss was my beloved Ravens - that's what you get when you go with your heart and not your head

Was wondering about the Statistician
Must have updated their stats

Was looking Sunday and they showed an ARS site (Ebony Pink?) as the top per click earner around .049 CPC through 15,000 or so hits.
Wondered why some sites has 15,000 or more clicks to test and some had as low as 4,000

What do you think an accurate sample would take?
20,000+ clicks over a week period?
More? Over what time period?


Vick Forget the football picks - Go with a sure thing ;-)

Anybody who knows me would say that moron is a compliment...

Far-L Homegrown is porn with an important place in history

I heard once that you need at least 10k hits to form a good opinion of a sponsor. Does that sound about right?
Bulkman

HI All ... I am looking at opening a site .. And need all infor from wed hosts to adult PROCESSING of Credit cards .. I am BLOND and LOOKING real hard I would much rather listen to the VOICE OF EXPERIENCE.. ANY POINTING OF THE WAY would be great..

thank you ALL

Drewper
Drewper

if ANYBODY belives that 700 hits sent qualifies to be called
STATISTIC
than one is a moron of the highest caliber!
******************

Sounds like a pearl indeed.

RichC Monday Mania Continues - $60 Joins

Far-L
You had me going there for a second ;-))
Moose

moose: still, I made you look... hehehe

Far-L Homegrown is porn with an important place in history

lol (unfortunately, you are right, but you should let me tell you about AIDS statistics sometime if you really want to be dazzled by air sometime)

So I guess this means you are going to be charging me full price again for that banner?

Damn. Back to the salt mines.

Did I mention that I am the reincarnation of General Patton?

Far-L Homegrown is porn with an important place in history

Serge i was thinking the same thing.
how can 1 signup and 700 clicks judge ANYTHING?

That info is worthless
Moose

Tucker, are you?
Serge

I wanted to stop by and say helloooo... I hope everyone is having a good week.

L8
Tucker Sex.tv

Far-L,
thank for bringing this bullshit to my attention
http://www.thestatistician.com/05.html

if ANYBODY belives that 700 hits sent qualifies to be called
STATISTIC
than one is a moron of the highest caliber!

I have MORE "statistics" for you!

100% BMW's made in 1998 are still on the road!
I have 1 car - it's running - I am RIGHT!


NEXT!
;-))
Serge

http://www.thestatistician.com/05.html

Maybe now I can finally afford that $20,000 banner spot on Oprano! Serge, you're still giving me that discount right? One rotation a week or four impressions for a month, whatever comes first right?

Far-L Homegrown is porn with an important place in history

Vick, I need some extra cash, email me your pics for next week so I can place some bets. :-0
voodooman Zmaster

Dallas won that monstrosity of a football game last night, which means Vick won 13 games against the spread this weekend....only one loss. THAT IS IMPRESSIVE!!!
Also an Oprano Challenge record.
mutt

theres a reason Serge moves from one lucrative Biz to another;))
JohnIP
******************

JohnIP,
my Biz can be even MORE lucrative if I can fulfill Slavik's business formula they use at
http://www.softwarebucks.com/
Charge Less - Sell More!

I LOVE low prices!
The best money I ever made was selling 5 cents! clicks, not $2000 buttons!
;-)))
Serge (even Forest can afford us!)

and talking about 'fear', this week's installment of AskColin deals with phobias. http://www.opranoplus.com


mutt Get the latest news about your favorite team or about who's the latest Anthrax victim here!

;))...and to think my revelations at lunch spawned your enthusiasm;))
*************************************

JohnIP,
there is something I learned
VERY long time ago:
"NEVER forget the girl who brought you to the dance"

Am I glad you are a "beautiful girl"?

you bet!
;-)))
Serge ForestCum, our banners will continue to fly. ; )

Serge the only thing Ill say to that is Amen....remember folks theres a reason Serge moves from one lucrative Biz to another;))
JohnIP

JohnIP,
I KNOW they carry banners for FREE just for a sake of it,
I know whta they make and what the spend,
I know WHO is gonna survive and who will not

if you think I am kidding telling sponsors
STOP ADVERTISING FOR 3 MONTHS!!!!

"The world won't collapse,
you won't go out of business"

I AM NOT!!!!!!

Lensman won't go broke!

Oprano won't go broke!

80% of "others" will, and at the end,
Naturla Sirvival of the Fittiest
will take hold resulting in more concentrated webmaster resources
with LESSer
costs of doing business for sponsors!


I am not smart,
I only repeat Isreal's plea to the civilised world during
Oil Embargo of seventies.
They said:
"STOP buying their oil!"
you can live without oil for 6 months, you have piles of it,
but THEM will realise rather fast,
they can't eat oil, they can't drink oil,
the ONLY thing thye can do with oil is to SELL it to you!

World hasn't listened, and today we have mideavil sheiks shaping USA' national policies!!!!

ridiculous!!!!
un acceptable!!!

Sponsors, will you EVER learn???




Serge ForestCum, our banners will continue to fly. ; )

Interesting discussion... finally something besides sports & war.

As one who has been on both sides of the fence. The biggest motivator is "Fear of loss" The more of that you can create... the more you can charge! Now, that is real KISS...

Sharpie Don't miss it... you will be sorry!

oh, puhleeze!
for as long as sponsors pay,
Resources will flourish,
#################################

Sponsors PAY!!...Serge Ask your resource site competitors how many clients they are caring because payments are in the rears over the past months!!Shit rolls down hill and guess what from a cost perspective resource sites are at the bottom of the hill.Livivng exclusively off a glut market doesn’t take too much Biz sense.Dont be a freezing Grasshooper;))...and to think my revelations at lunch spawned your enthusiasm;))


...they just have their bullshit down to a finer art!
###########################

Now THATS Bullshit…and incredibly naive CJ.

JohnIP

Serge,
the check is in the mail!
;-)))

Serge
next you'll be trying:
"I won't come in your mouth"

;))
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook (Alledgedly)) brought to you from a bunker somewhere in Montana

LOL Toolz....guess it's a good thing Serge got to me first....figuratively of course. ; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

JMScore,
the check is in the mail!
;-)))
Serge ForestCum, our banners will continue to fly. ; )

JM,

Otherwise it would have ben JMRhino and I would have had to change mine to ToolzRhino but then people would confuse us with the Rhino brothers.


Toolz ARS

haha, also the word awsome is used, and should be awesome.

Yeah, I know, I have alot of free time on my hands.
voodooman Zmaster

Serge,

Perhaps we split the difference and Toolz lets us keep his space warm for the time being? ; )

Yea Toolz...Serge decided it was time for a new handle and thus JMScore was born...no affiliation with the club. ; )


JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

3rd Generation banners to come out :)
***************

I think I've seen it already....

are you talking about animated GIF where MarcDe walking slowly from left to right,
peeing on everybody and slowly walking back???

I wish it had sound!
;-)))
Serge ForestCum, our banners will continue to fly. ; )

We achieve the highest conversions overall from this agressive, effective, marketing technique.

From ARS site

agressive should be aggressive
voodooman Zmaster

JMScore,
how about a quick deal for a quick buck:

I have a client who is interested in YOUR particular button space.

what if I sell her your spot for $3000 and we split the difference 50/50?
;_)))
Serge ForestCum, our banners will continue to fly. ; )

Serge,

I didn't send the banner yet, I was waiting for the new 3rd Generation banners to come out :)

JM,
When did you get a new nickname, I just assumed it was JMM changing his name, damn I didn't realize you still posted around these digs.



Toolz ARS

Serge,

And for that (and the rather large draw you bring in) our banners will continue to fly. ; )

Spread the word my Brother...


JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

bummer, you are reading OLD design,
the NEW one is the one which is at question and we'll pay $500 for the TRUTH!
;_))
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

I'll have to make sure we can cover that action, after all we did just spend 100K on an Oprano ad spot :)

Toolz ARS
**********************

and we STILL didn't get your banner!!!!


Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

affilliate
awsome
bummer

Anthony, can you give BIASED statement?
=======================

Sure Serge!

If Sponsors did what you asked them...

There would be 2 resources left, maybe 3.


Anthony

Serge,

I only bet if I know I can win, it's a FACT there's a misspelt word, been there for a year. Now if there's one on the front of the redesign, then we'll do the $500 bet action. I'll have to make sure we can cover that action, after all we did just spend 100K on an Oprano ad spot :)

Toolz ARS

I would love to hear Anthony's biased views. ;-)))
geeky

If we did, would you still give us such favorable press? ; )

JMScore
****************


JMScore,
you should know me better than that-
I only serve the interests of the TRUTH!

I am like Anthony-
I don't have unbiased opinions!
;-)))




Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

Toolz,
Oprano has no problem putting $500 for a bet...
do YOU?
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

Sponsors,
PLEASE,
STOP buyin' buttons for few months,
BRING morons from closed boards to me,
and in 3 months I'll deliver them back to you at 50% discount

---------------

If we did, would you still give us such favorable press? ; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Depends Serge,

Are we betting with my money or yours?


Toolz ARS

Anthony, can you give BIASED statement?
;-)))
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

Gotta admire a guy that says stuff like this:

"I don't know the data regarding it, nor have the experience to fully give an unbiased statement"
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Unabridged.

TheEforcer,
your post# 25302
decribed it to the T!

VERY GOOD!
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

Wow,

I really wish I could chirp in on the subject of advertising and resource sites. But, I don't know the data regarding it, nor have the experience to fully give an unbiased statement. =o)


Anthony

Site redesign hasn't been launched yet :)
***************

so what????

If you made TYPO on the old site-
I'll bet you $500 that there is a TYPO on NEW one as well!

I BET that there are 2! TYPO's the new site and I'll pay $500 to the first one who find BOTH!

yes....
OPRANO will pay $500 to the first webmaster who spots TYPO's in new

site!

Toolz, do YOU wanna bet too!?
;-)))
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

Whew, finally back online...had the new motherboard take a massive shit....figures, replace the old one with a new one and the new one dies a couple days later...thank god for warranties...is it me or do today's components seem like lessor quality? I still have a hard drive from a couple years ago that works just fine, yet have been through 3 new ones in the last 6 months...

As for resources and branding..if resource advertising is so good, why don't more use the webmaster referral codes that most proggies have? Just a thought...I agree with the whole branding concept to a point, but like to play...ahem...devil's adviocate once in awhile ;)))
SykkBoy finally

Sorry you feel the need to defend them CJ...but unfortunatly from a biz perspective there is no defense.
JohnIP
******************

oh, puhleeze!

for as long as sponsors pay,
Resources will flourish,
cuz...NOBODY knows what happens if one stops paying for buttons
;-)))

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hehehe... I remember arguing abit with people backon Netpond about the value of domains. People would laugh about the, admittedly ridiculous, amounts that were being asked for on some domains. I would argue that as long as there is ONE person who is willing to pay that price then that was it's value to that one person. Kinda similar with the resource sites. As long as someoneis willing to pay X amount of dollarsfor acertainbanner spacethat's what it's worth. Might not be what it's REALLY worth but then it's not unheard of to see people pay above the real value for things that they want.




TheEnforcer Isn't it about time YOU started Making Bank?

SlowFold! :)
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Unabridged.

Not some nebulous out of your ass #..or ask you to buy into the "finger in the air" methodology of media buying....
-----

Almost all of the advertising we do is with companies who allow us to give feedback on the price we are paying. Yes, the price in the beginning is usually one pulled out of an ass - the choice to do business with companies at this point is easy.

I would love nothing more than to see a resource standard! So far there have been resource after resource, open up and instantly have a $$ value placed on their 'predicted traffic'. The numbers usually appear to have been taken from the last carbon copy site and pages are packed with 'advertise your link here!'

Mainstream advertising may have 'guidelines' for cost and methods of calculating that - but most of those are pulled out of asses just like webmaster resource costs!!

"We have a distribution of 10 000 magazines, therefore 10 000 eyes will see your ad now give me $xxxx"

THAT STANDARD IS CRAP! You very rarely get value out of what you pay for and yet the 'standard' tells companies to keep on advertising just in case competitor steals their ad space!!

Mainstream doesn't have their shit together that much more than the good resource sites do - they just have their bullshit down to a finer art!

I don't think we will ever see a standard until sponsors stop advertising and force it to happen - who wants to be first to remove their ads?!!


cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!