Not some nebulous out of your ass #..or ask you to buy into the "finger in the air" methodology of media buying....
-----

Almost all of the advertising we do is with companies who allow us to give feedback on the price we are paying. Yes, the price in the beginning is usually one pulled out of an ass - the choice to do business with companies at this point is easy.

I would love nothing more than to see a resource standard! So far there have been resource after resource, open up and instantly have a $$ value placed on their 'predicted traffic'. The numbers usually appear to have been taken from the last carbon copy site and pages are packed with 'advertise your link here!'

Mainstream advertising may have 'guidelines' for cost and methods of calculating that - but most of those are pulled out of asses just like webmaster resource costs!!

"We have a distribution of 10 000 magazines, therefore 10 000 eyes will see your ad now give me $xxxx"

THAT STANDARD IS CRAP! You very rarely get value out of what you pay for and yet the 'standard' tells companies to keep on advertising just in case competitor steals their ad space!!

Mainstream doesn't have their shit together that much more than the good resource sites do - they just have their bullshit down to a finer art!

I don't think we will ever see a standard until sponsors stop advertising and force it to happen - who wants to be first to remove their ads?!!


cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!

Toolz,

Back in the independent days, ARS was my one and only. It's good to see that the staff at ARS still works it's best to give it's webmasters 100%.

Great job!
Anthony

awsome = awesome
bummer

awsome
Alt + F4 Fold MaxCash

Site redesign hasn't been launched yet :)

And what happend to ripping apart resource sites, John and I weren't finished yet, just needed a small interlude :)

Toolz ARS

Serge,

awsome
Colin TGP2 Bucks. Unabridged.

Toolz,
is that true that you made a TYPO on the front page and will pay $500 to one who finds it first?
Serge OMG!!! what have you done!!????

P.S.

Lens, I promise, I won't steal YOUR morons
;-))
Serge

Okay have to interrupt the resource discussion I created here for a minute to announce this:

Adult Revenue Service (http://www.adultrevenueservice.com) is proud to announce the rollout of ARS Tech 2.5. Tech 2.5 is a full re-work of the entire ARS backend system that handles hit counting and sales counting. After numerous weeks in beta testing we are pleased to roll-out this enhanced system today. Changes and updates include increased capacity and an enhanced upward scalability to better handle the increased loads experienced by the ARS Tech system. We have moved to enterprise-like data warehousing tactics to deliver gigabytes of statistical information to our webmasters in a faster, more flexible format. In addition, enhanced features have been built into ARS Tech 2.5 that will allow new, exciting features that are to be released in the upcoming month with the launch of ARS 3rd Generation.
Toolz ARS

Sorry you feel the need to defend them CJ...but unfortunatly from a biz perspective there is no defense.
JohnIP
******************

oh, puhleeze!

for as long as sponsors pay,
Resources will flourish,
cuz...NOBODY knows what happens if one stops paying for buttons
;-)))

My IDEAL scenario is:
ALL SPONSORS STOP ADVERTISING, PERIOD!

as a result-
95% of Resorces get closed within 2 months,
MORE morons come here thus giving me more fun in pissing!

Sponsors,
PLEASE,
STOP buyin' buttons for few months,
BRING morons from closed boards to me,
and in 3 months I'll deliver them back to you at 50% discount!

KISS formula at it's best and doesn't need chess thinking of 7 moves in ahead...only 2 is FINE!
;-))
Serge (even Forest can afford us!)

Mutt .. what's wrong with rocket science?!
Colin TGP2 Bucks. We use rocket science!

CJ -

Can you hit me on ICQ? I lost your #

1242876


sharky New Ad Rates... Contact me!

The proverbial webmaster resource discussion. Always provocative, always interesting.


TheEnforcer Isn't it about time YOU started Making Bank?

You're not a wartime consigliere, Technick. Things may get rough with the move we're trying.Anthony you are consigliere"

;))

I'm thinkin'a going to the mattresses already. We gotta find a
spot over on the West Side.(Well,yaletown;))


Nick

johnIP, you are correct - the only one who can measure the value of the webmasters sent is the company that's doing the advertising :-)
############################

That isnt what I said...ANY company that has ANY biz sense is the capabile of evaluating their investment AFTER THEY HAVE BOUGHT IT..THATS NOT MY ISSUE...the ISSUE is the media entity having a STANDARD to present to potential buyers BEFORE the purchase!!! Not some nebulous out of your ass #..or ask you to buy into the "finger in the air" methodology of media buying....WHY is that so hard to understand for some of you.Sorry you feel the need to defend them CJ...but unfortunatly from a biz perspective there is no defense.
JohnIP

There is nothing more dangerous than bush,serge!!! ;))

(Can you tell,I love a row?)

:))




Nick

Moose...

Using today's rate: 959,349.80 USD

Anthony

cj,
""serge, has nick EVER cared about public opinion???!!??!""

Exactly :)
I mean I can't very well become more detestable,devious and tricky can I?

What people are gonna think I'm really nasty?

I am :))

;)))
Nick

cj,
this makes him MORE dangerous than Bush!
;-))
Serge

"1.5 million house"

Whats that 200K US?

;-)
Moose Apply here

I think it is all about the target audience. If you are looking to recruit a certain type of traffic, like SEs, then an SE board might be good. If you are looking for tgp traffic, a tgp board might be good. I probably would not advertise dog bones in Cat Fancy. ;-)))

Advertising is always about being able to identify your payback, be it branding or responses.
geeky

will you care about "public opinion"?
----

serge, has nick EVER cared about public opinion???!!??!


johnIP, you are correct - the only one who can measure the value of the webmasters sent is the company that's doing the advertising :-)

We know which resources work well for us and stick with them ...

cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!

Nick,
will you care about "public opinion"?
when you nuke 'em?
;-)))
Serge

They drew first blood,Serge!!!

;)
Nick

Nick,

It all started when this little boy complaining the other day he was about to buy a 1.5 million house on the street of dreams, now he can't pay his rent.

Ahhhh, impotent rage at it's best.
Anthony

Newspapers, magazines, tv, radio will give you ratings and circulation numbers.......not much different than web stats. They are no better than adult webmaster sites, mostly bullshit, but if u want your product or service noticed u just do it and cross your fingers somebody responds to your ad.

No newspaper or TV station will guarantee you any kind of productivity.

It ain't rocket science, you can tell what type of webmaster is hanging out at a particular resource site. If it's mostly traffic grunts like GFY, not going to make much sense advertising paysite content there but it makes sense for sponsors or hosting companies.

mutt

oh boy...
hide your children!
;_))
Serge

Anthony,
They wanna go to war????
They wanna go to war.....

I'll give 'em a fucking war!!!

;)))

Sorry to interupt serge,just venting ;)))
Nickatilynx (The Internet's No1 Crook (Alledgedly))

Meni,
god bless them!

Lens via GFY collects ad revenues he spends on Oprano.

Oprano keeps them at bay, by "foresting" them,
thus GFY and Oprano sponsors has to pay both for buttons.

Please don't tell it to anybody,
because sponsors might demand Oprano and GFY merger!
;-)))
Serge we are NOT the "weak link" ;-)))

John,

Brilliant point as well, what exactly are resource sites judged on?

I introduced a pay-per click model which I implemented on the front of ARS. Those advertisers who contacted me thought the rates were outrageous. I reviewed what I pay per click based on the current resource prices and I was FAR under the competition.
My guess is resource sites will continue as long as programs have money to dump at them. Is it beneficial? Nope, but hell I don't see tons of programs looking for any return on their advertising either so why should the resource sites change?

You want a return, come talk to me, is it cheap, hell no, is it worth it, hell yes.


Toolz ARS

The only way to reach a webmaster resource 'standard' would be to measure a 'webmaster' value ... how do we do that?
######################################

CJ...THATS NOT FOR ME to figure out.But ask Yourself this.... HOW do other entities that make their revenue from advertising do it!!Newspapers... Magazines... TV...They have figured it out... they have competative standards to present to potential clients...They know the value of their readership or viewership..if they didnt THEY WOULDNT BE IN BUSINESS!

No Im afraid Adult resource sites are a bit like the Grasshooper... and its getting Cold out there.
JohnIP

Not a knock on Lens, I love Lens.
I just think Oprano has the heavy hitters in the biz, and GFY has
guys who submit to tgps and whine about not getting listed
Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Hey .. we hate these fuckheads!

http://www4.ncsu.edu:8030/~kacollin/fuckheads.html
Colin For the record .. TGP2 Bucks is kicking ass!

JohnIP, you forgot the most important standard ... TRAFFIC has its value, set at a competitive standard. All adult traffic which is traded has an approximate value but not webmaster traffic ...

But its easier to place values on these particular 'products' - they all have a measurable outcome of income vs costs.

You can measure the cost & value of a gigabyte, surfer click or content pic ... but how do you measure the value of a webmaster and for what period?

Sending a single webmaster is a possible client for a very long time for a very large volume of $$ (after all, that's what we are aiming for) - some webmasters are worth minus $xxxxxxxxxxx and some are worth plus $xxxxxxxxxx. Is there an 'average' value of a webmaster?

The only way to reach a webmaster resource 'standard' would be to measure a 'webmaster' value ... how do we do that?


cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!

Resource sites need to GET TO WORK..if they wanna survive(That ones for you Serge;)))

JohnIP
********************

yes, they do!

but...as long as there are sponsors out there who advertise on "coffee boards"
they have no motivation in doing so whatsoever!


(That ones for you JohnIP;)))


Serge we are NOT the "weak link" ;-)))

I just sent it to Steve Case:

From: Serge
To: Steve Case


I opened up my AOL acount a few months ago and I haven't used this e-mail address anywhere.

In about 3-4 weeks after opening,
I started getting porn spam to the address which was not known to ANYBODY besides people in your company.

You have somebody INSIDE who sells new acounts information to porn spammers and making very good buck at it.

is there any chance you find perputrators and stop the virage of junk mail to my acount?

yours truly,
Serge Birbrair

cc: http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/

Serge

If u are a news or sports junkie check out the new Oplus Newscenter.
World News and Sports are up now, more departments in the next couple of days.

http://www.opranoplus.com
mutt OpranoPlus New and Improved Newscenter!

mutt, I'm just setting one up for a product I have coming out soon for my 4women sites.
we've got 2 solutions that should be easy to edit for oprano plus ... if you'd like some help e me ...

I'll stop adding to your to do list now :-)))

cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!

Well it doesn’t take much to bait ME on this one;)))

Toolz...I agree with EVERYTHING you say...as usual your very insightful...The real issue to me though with resource sites is a lack of determined and measurable standards ...EVERY OTHER entity in this Biz has it....AND so does every media outlet in the real world...which is really what they are to and extent.

Paysites -measure down to price per click regardless of pay methodology....and are held accountable to that competitive standard by affiliates .

CC Companies-measure by transactions cost...% of sales and conversion performance and are held accountable to competitive standards.

Hosting Companies-Measure by price per gig and cost of service ...and are held to competitive standards.

Content Companies-Measure by price per member and quality of product and service and are held to competitive standards.

Webmaster resources-HAVE NO shared measured standards..present little or NO data to justify the cost of their product ...begrudgingly present potential customers with enough data to make informed buying decisions...AND don’t present ANY active public competitive pricing arguments..Can you imagine if SPONSORS did that!!!..Its doomed to failure because it doesn’t follow a capitalistic model;)

Resource sites need to GET TO WORK..if they wanna survive(That ones for you Serge;)))

JohnIP Insite Adult...New Changes every Day!!!

Tonday,

That's Neneh Cherry. Svenska and 80's hottie. =o)

Was just listening to that song in the car actually.


Anthony

Speaking of 80's songs. Did anyone catch the top 100 women on MTV last night?

They had at 100 the group that does the buffalo stance song.

Tonda Wheelin and Dealin on our kick ass video feeds. Contact me for details:)

Serge is trying to egg me on to give names here, not gonna happen :)

Toolz ARS
**********************

Toolz, it wasn't my intention,
with my KGB experience, I can make stones sing, if I wanted to
;-))
Serge

actually that's on my 'To Do' list CJ.
It can be done a few ways, only problem is I can't do any of them lol


mutt

Oh no, Serge is baiting me out for the impending resource discussion.

Okay here's my .02 and you're right we have advertised damn near everywhere avail.

#1 Key, TRACK your advertising, use your own methods to track it, not the traffic of a counter on a board. This is insane, if anyone judges the effectiveness of their advertising based on the board's counter they need mental help.

#2. There's essentially two types of webmaster advertising; name recognition/branding and acquisition of new webmasters. Which one are boards most succesful at? Depends on the board/resource site, some can deliver signups, others your just there so people don't forget your name.

Now granted this is probably gonna get buried in b.s. retoric today but I think there's a good point in there somewhere.

Serge is trying to egg me on to give names here, not gonna happen :)

Toolz ARS

Mutt, when are you going to release an opranoplus news plugin?? A ticker would be nice ... 600 wide or so ... I need it for the front of sexhit and i'm too lazy to find the info myself on a daily basis :-))))
what's the chances??!!

cj (vaginator) $70 for every FREE signup!

Link correction.
Colin "True, the concept works, and in theory you can't fight it" - The Hun

"I will admit though, that for selling Pic Paysites a TGP2 would sell about 3-5X as well!" - Sleazy Dream
Colin What Sleazy Dream said about TGP2 .. is this pro or con?

Serge - should advertisers hang on to their ad budgets until February for discounted prices?
****************************

nope, if I was an advertiser,
I'd start cutting fat NOW!

drop boards with low bang for a buck, drop boards where surfers traffic is present,
fat trimmed means more money in the pocket,
in November, December, January, etc, etc, etc...
Serge

Toolz. Split opinions. The Hun says TGP2 won't work. JJJ was interested in concept. Shap feels like it might work. Bone Prone says no way.


"Okay enough bullshit today, back to the TGP2 discussion. So what are the top TGP traffic conglomerates thoughts on this? Seems to me they're making all their money selling their top spots anyways, what would it matter if they changed their format? Doesn't seem to me like they would lose entirely too many surfers, seems like the only thing to gain is $$"
Colin "True, the concept works, and in theory you can't fight it" - The Hun

Hi Oprano, I am looking for a good affiliate software program that works with ibill. Something where I can pay by signup or recurring etc...
If anybody has any recomendations please let me know.

Thanks
GP Affiliate software program needed

Toolz - Seems TGP1 will continue to do what they are doing until there is no more $ there
Hoping that is soon, very soon
Not sure if TGP2 gallery builders have the money to buy top listings on a regular basis and good listings are available to TGP2 gallery builders fairly easy


Serge - should advertisers hang on to their ad budgets until February for discounted prices?


Vick We always hang in a Buffalo Stance - more bad 80's songs to be posted ;-)

Forest you are a fool.
The stats you are referring to are SexCounter's, Nick says the counter was on the fritz AND the most important thing is that you are talking about Oprano's INDEX front page. Do you think all webmasters are morons like you? People of normal intelligence type in this URL to hit this board http://www.oprano.com/msgboard.
And speaking of Oprano's index page, it's a nice deal for advertisers BECAUSE it's all first time visitors who haven't bookmarked this URL yet.

A totally independent non adult company tracks stats for this board.
Netscape. Heard of them?

Now here's a challenge. Ask your buddies on any other board if they will let you install a Netscape counter on their board, pick a day,
I will put up a thousand bucks against the board of your choice if u will do the same.

Should be easy money for you Forest.
Let me know who to send the check to.
mutt

Far-L,
Patton is my hero...and if his career was more "safe" I doubt it would have been successful and we ever remembered his name.
Serge what SPONSORS think of us?

Serge: Actually, Patton did need lawyers several times during his successful but controversial military career. He was relieved of command after suggesting that Germans should be re-armed to fight the communists...
Far-L Homegrown is porn with an important place in history

if you wanna know my politically incorrect thoughts-
I think it's a dieing breed and 6 months down the road,
after dismal Las Vegas Show in January,
the ad revenues gonna plummet and
only handful of proggies will spend money on this media...

whatta you think?
Serge what SPONSORS think of us?

Okay enough bullshit today, back to the TGP2 discussion.
***************************

Toolz,
why don't we talk about
Efectiveness of webmaster boards advertising?

you been practically everywhere, you know A LOT about the subject,
why don't you share what you think and know on the subject?
Serge what SPONSORS think of us?

Vick,

Okay enough bullshit today, back to the TGP2 discussion. So what are the top TGP traffic conglomerates thoughts on this? Seems to me they're making all their money selling their top spots anyways, what would it matter if they changed their format? Doesn't seem to me like they would lose entirely too many surfers, seems like the only thing to gain is $$


Toolz ARS

(Sung to the tune of "Ironic", with my sincerest apologies to Alanis Morisette)


Isn't it moronic, don't ya think
A little too moronic, and I really do think

It's like posting numbers and throwing a fit
It's still talking, when no gives a shit
It's burying good advice when posing with no wit

And who would have thought ... it figures

Life has a funny way of creeping up on you



Please feel free to add your own verses ;-) or not



voodooman - Thanks for the grooming tip ;-)

Vick I met my bee bop baby at the union hall

I found the answer...
;-))


Serge what SPONSORS think of us?

Forest, shit happens, people make mistakes, Programs fuck up. Its common sense really!
voodooman Exclusive Fetish Content!!!

Don't believe that Oprano is popular, stop posting, it will look better.
****************

yes, it's a pity when good number findings like Colin posted today got burried because of
shmucks like Forest who had nothing smart to say during their entire miserable lives...

but...not anymore,
cleaning polutants is something easy enough I can do
;_))
Serge

Forest,
I would love to sit here all day and babysit your crying ass, but unfortunately I have tons of stuff to do.

For further questions, e-mail her lesley.kamarad@likewhoa.com

If she can't help you, then see help!

;-))
Tukhman SexCounter

Another interesting note, LikeWhoa, is a company that believes in productivity, we spend our ad money wisely, and we wouldn't be continuing to advertise if it wasn't valuable for us.
****************************

Tukhman,
one thing about this board EVERYBODY should know.

The goal of this board is NOT to make money
(we take them as they come along,
NOT FROM EVERYBODY,
ask JoeE,
but making money is NOT it's purpose)

The goal of this board is to exchange opinions, news, information with intelligent people, with traffic or without,
and this board will be here after the last sponsor is gone.

We don't have any staff expences, we are not kaisers, meats, etc,
whose ad $$ is the only income,
neither me, nor mike NEED those $$$
therefore, we can afford to be politically correct or incorrect as we see fit.

Serge

tukh
Serge believes in NUMBERS...

I have Posted NUMBERS...

but you say they are WRONG due to your service is THAT correct?
ForestWi

Forest-
Seeing the fact that my company DOES advertise here from the start date, means I'm getting something out of it.

Whether you think my opinion is biased or not, it has something legitimate to it. Your posts do not.

;-)
Tukhman SexCounter

tukh..

seeing as you are a Counter and Advertiser here I believe your opinion to be BIASED
ForestWi

The proper usage is just to replace Moron, Moronic to a S*cker

;-)))))
Now that's cute.
Tukhman SexCounter...

http://www.asseenontv.com/prod-pages/nads.html?gid=PERSONAL

here Vick, you dont have to shave your hiney you know? :-)

I wonder, when the time comes that American or British soldiers are killed, if the media will report as in depth as they did when "innocent" civilians were killed in Afganastan.
voodooman Exclusive Fetish Content!!!

Okay...This goes out to the moron like Forest.

_____________________

the proper usage is MORONIC

;-)))))))))))))
ForestWi

Tukhman,
I found 100% way to deal with idiots, fanatics, morons,
ERADICATE them.

I am not Bush, I can't care less what public opinion thinks of me,
getting the job right is worth the trouble,
Paton didn't need military lawyers
;-)))


Serge

Okay...This goes out to the moron like Forest.

FYI, stats that are shown got messed up yesterday on SexCounter due to the fact that Oprano uses a different code. Fixed, end of story.

Another interesting note, LikeWhoa, is a company that believes in productivity, we spend our ad money wisely, and we wouldn't be continuing to advertise if it wasn't valuable for us.

Don't believe that Oprano is popular, stop posting, it will look better.

Remember, you only get half a bar...F*ck Ya! ;-))
Tukhman SexCounter...

Geeky,
yes, seems so to me...

if this IS the war of Muslims against the rest of the world,
identifying it early and properly is a right thing to do,
denial won't help us.
Serge

Colin
nice segue into the Bloodhond Gang
Can't happen to soon

Thought is kicking around in my head about how long until free hosts stop allowing TGP1 pages

Obvious answer - when they are no longer profitable


Vick I wish I queer so I can get chicks dig guys that are queer guys that don't dig chicks that don't dig guys like me see I'm not queer I'm too ugly and I don't shave my hiney

T - Absolutely, it is marked in my calander, October - Give T some shit about the Braves...and yes it is because I love ya

As for the Braves always being there, I wouldn't brag too much, I have coached 14 year old girls softball teams that could easily make it to the NLDS
Jeff

http://www.msnbc.com/news/640815.asp?0dm=C18OO

i love this quote:
"Muslims who subscribe to the “war on Islam” theory must ask themselves: what has thus far prevented nuclear strikes on Cairo and Damascus and Algiers and Tehran? Surely, it is no longer Moscow that is protecting you. You’ll need more than Allah on your side if the engineers of the Chechen war ever take charge of the war on terrorism."
geeky

Serge,

unfortunately that seems to be the case as this goes on. There seems to be so much layer of hate of non-muslims that keeps breeding. I think now we have to get our job done and really mean it when we say, "you are with us or against us".
geeky

MikeA1 is the lawyer. He will decide if Serge is eligible for the grand prize in the baseball pool.
*********************************

as a Contest participant, he is inellible to decide that...

NUMBERS we trust!
;-)))
Serge

Geeky, good article indeed...there is something I disagree, though...

"Now, the White House risks even greater disaster if it fails to understand Islam’s emphasis on what amounts to religious nationhood"

I don't think ANYTHING can be done
to sway their public opinions and "ummah"...except

Declare the War on ALL of them
who have problems with us and
WIN IT,
while we have a chance.

Let them ummah in Paradise...
Serge

hmmmmmmmm...........MikeA1 is the lawyer. He will decide if Serge is eligible for the grand prize in the baseball pool.

Everybody agrees, the media are sleazeballs. I don't think there is a chance in hell Tom Brokaw ever touched that letter. Just more showbiz and media opportunism.
mutt

Peaches, you are exactly right. That is what the dmoz/aol connection has done for the industry. Not only has free content been made MUCH more easy to get, but I think that it has become more accessible to kids as well. But, as you said, webmasters who depended on SEs had to make that change.
geeky

http://www.msnbc.com/news/633905.asp?0dm=C206O

this is good background on Islam
geeky

Serge and SweetT are ineligible to win the cash prize in the NationalNet Baseball Challenge!
*********************************

says who??????

are you saying that the Contest can be rigged???

SweetT and Serge have their picks open to the public, we don't e-mail our picks and
if you intend discriminating against us
you better be ready dealing with Jesse Jackson!

Jesssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
Serge

Voodoo,
yeap!

the REAL GOOD news are burried and never repeated,
the bullshit is repeated every 15 mins and the media falling miserably,
very sad, indeed...
Serge (even Forest can afford us!)

Serge and SweetT are ineligible to win the cash prize in the NationalNet Baseball Challenge! So play the game! They can have the bragging rights YOU GET THE CASH AND THE T-SHIRTS!!!

http://www.opranoplus.com/sports

http://www.national-net.com
mutt Division Championship Series Begin Today! Play the National Net Baseball Challenge Here!

Oprano's stats are stellar and beyond reproach.

___________________
NOT!!!!!!!!

Ill post All the links over on the POND where Sergie cant get to them
OK Mutt

ForestL

Mutt,
let him dribble,
I got several requests over nights telling that he polutes the board and makes it harder to read.

as long as he talks ANYTHING related to business,
I'm letting him make fool of himself,
and delete all other shit.

let him talk about oprano stats, alien intelligence, littlec honesty...

I don't want this cretin here,
but...what can I do?
Serge who is a winner?

Mornin'
<begin rant>
Is anyone else sick of watching the news and seeing that the only thing ANY of the anchors can talk about is Anthrax? That of course isnt so bad, but the mere fact that they bring in 5 different "Professionals" a day on the subject and ask the same old questions, getting the same damn response. The media SUCKS!!!
<end rant>
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There ya gooo Mutt
ForestL

Forest what the hell are you talking about?
If you're going to post stats please have the stones to post where they come from so intelligent people can
come to their own conclusion.

Dude stop fumbling around in the dark flailing like a mental patient.
Oprano's stats are stellar and beyond reproach.


mutt

Vick,

Porn Darwinism.

TGP1 = Dinosaurs.

TGP2 = Mammals.

"You and me baby ain't nothin but mammals"
Colin The Bad Touch ...

Jettis...

How do you feel being involved in serges Pissing????
ForestW

DMOZ is what caused me to have content after 2 years in the biz :( I hate making DMOZ sites, but there are bills to be paid.

Serge - I get traffic from AOL, Netscape and Google that pull from the DMOZ directory. Probably some other small ones, but these are the biggest.

OK, I've NEVER done TGP's. But obviously, with the TGP2 revolution, I need to change my wicked ways ;) However, I'm more autistic than artistic (ask any DMOZ editor - they can spot my sites from a mile away ;)). Are there any GOOD gallery maker software programs out there and/or webmasters that will build sites for a decent fee? I have content out the ying-yang, so I'm OK there - but if the internet was ruled by me, all websites would be white with black Times Courier font :))


Peaches

sooo sergie...

how about that DROP in the rateings???
Forest (LittleC, pay Mart $45,000 NOW!)

Geeky,
yeap, and the ones who find the way to make even more money of the cattle,
will prosper enourmously,
just ask Hun
;-)))
Serge who is a winner?

and WAIT till i show you all how Oprano is playing with their numbers....

Sooooooooo Cool
Forest (LittleC, pay Mart $45,000 NOW!)

Serge,

yes it is sad. The world of the people relying on the SEs has changed dramatically with this shift to the DMOZ/AOL world. People who depended on SEs suddenly had to stop analyzing and start making galleries. Remember the good ol' "Click here for.." pages? These days, sooo much content is given away.

I think what you posted earlier is a sign. The webmasters who are going to thrive today, are not going to be holding their eggs in one basket. They may have tgp2 projects and SE projects. They probably will have more than one main sponsor, just in case of shaving/parties/processing, etc.

but the main thing is that the new webmasters who will succeed,will look for new ideas, and may be better able to handle change than old ones.
geeky

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Geeky, this is SAD....
Serge who is a winner?

Serge,

the main usage for DMOZ is to get to the AOL traffic. Since these are supposedly the "freshest", least savvy surfers, and also free to submit to, it grew like mad.
geeky

Colin, thanks for the breakout on the #'s - am guessing you are posting that in a few places so if the lightbulb(s) haven't went on yet they will


Toolz, makes perfect sense
What we have said all along, who is going to buy it when it's free in abundance

As always the market will be dictated by what earns the most revenue
TGP1's will fall by the wayside (in time) like dinosaurs as TGP2 is more profitable and TGP1 no longer earns revenue due to supporting all the porn freeloading, bandwidth sucking, no credit card pulling out of pockets leeches

Porndarwinism ;-)
I love it

Vick Hot Funk, Cool Punk even if it's old junk it's still $$ for you and me