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Regarding the surfers to adult resource sites topic. Just did some digging in my stats.

Top search engine terms to get to AOE. (Mix and match to find the obvious word combinations.)

adult 20.74%
webmaster 10.06%
resources 6.61%
boards 3.81%
message .99%
board 1.08%
news 0.54%
industry 0.52%
resource 0.48%

... Not a surfer term in the bunch. No "pics" no "porn" no "free", etc ....

Ditto, just looked at my top 500 referrals .... A who's who list of the industry's resource sites, content providers, hosts, sponsors, traffic site submission pages, etc ..... Not a single surfer-based anything.

As I've always said its not just pure numbers, but the quality of the numbers.

Dravyk All Of 'Em

JMS, I am not Crab,
I am a....

GRAB in the Gumbo!
;-)))
Serge need more Gumbo!?

Crab in the Gumbo...here I thought that was Serge.
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Mmmmmmm, Gumbo.

Sorry, I skipped lunch. Actually, wasn't Gumbo one of the Marx Brothers?

Groovin',
Don
Ounique Don't Miss Our Huge Content CD Sale

DJ is the crab in the gumbo!

Mike AI Sites that convert, processors that stay up, weekly payments!

Interesting read:
http://trix.sexswap.com/swap214.htm
Jimmyslits things that make you go hmmmm

And DJ jumps in the gumbo
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oh boy!

DJ ALWAYS in the "gumbo"!
Serge need more Gumbo!?

I knew that was going to get me into trouble. Who's a guy got to sleep with to get a post deleted? HA! ; )
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

And DJ jumps in the gumbo. Good to see you. Sorry about the ICQ thing, damn 28k modems. One of these days we'll upgrade to 56. ; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Who's a guy have to sleep with to get one of those shirts?
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do you have time???

I have a 5 pages list...

Meni is always a good start for a quickie and cheap no frills Oprano T shirt
;_))
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

Serge,

Who's a guy have to sleep with to get one of those shirts? Damn. ; )

And, I'll please the fifth on the typo comment...

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Mike,

More than anything it is a customer support issue...and backup traffic typically isn't as "clean". But we really don't receive to many complaints on the policy once clients are setup...and our merchant banks love it ; )

JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Diamond Jim,
congrats for making the Pearl's page!
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

does anyone else think Laurie Dew [sp?]
is the hottest babe on the Fox News?

Alt + F4 Fold Is Oprano contagious?

We don't have any stipulations on what processors you can and cannot use as a backup...
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hmmm....so that wasn't a legitimate complain after all???

darn,
I almost e-mailed the T-Shirt....
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

It's kinda hard to complain about Jettis. Even the primary/secondary issue they work around if they know you're not gonna be getting them in trouble (which is easy to do..who wants shit signups rejected by ccbill?).

My complaint would be John Skorick's ICQ client takes 5 minutes to accept a message so the stupid window hangs on your taskbar forever...

Side note : Info is still being gathered, but in our case it looks like ccbill may retain better than ibill. Jury is still out...

Diamond Jim Converting 2 signups out of every hit sent

Damn this board moves fast.
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are you sure this is not a typo and you are not talking about one of our beloved female webmistresses?
;-)))
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

daggumit,

We don't have any stipulations on what processors you can and cannot use as a backup...that's completely up to you. We also do not require that you setup every site at once.

Throw one up and see what happens...you'll be pleasantly surprised. ; )
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

JMScore,
nope!

I want GENUINE complains!

of course you can throw your SPECULATIONS,
but...no T-Shirts!
;-))
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

JMScore, can you explain Jettis' policy of requiring themselves to be primary only processor?

Mike AI Sites that convert, processors that stay up, weekly payments!

MikeFold, I am not SUCH,
I am MORE than that!
;_))

good article, MikeAI
http://frontpagemagazine.com/columnists/glazov/glazov10-04-01.htm

believe it or not,
I was thinking yesterday about bin Laden and the lack of women in his life...
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

Damn this board moves fast. I stop by this morning and everyone is speaking Russian, I pop back over and MikeAI is calling me names.

Serge, will my testimonial put me in the running for a t-shirt? ; )
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

sergey...you are such a 'bully'
((o;

Alt + F4 Fold Is Oprano contagious?

badmoon,
I deleted your drive by spam,
don't you see we talk business and your cut and paste is out of place?

Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

daggummit,
thanks for your input!

Now it gives Jettis something to scratch their heads about...

I appreciate your comments,
anything else?

I love hearing comments!
Serge Please tell me MORE what you think!

Good article

http://frontpagemagazine.com/columnists/glazov/glazov10-04-01.htm
Mike AI Sites that convert, processors that stay up, weekly payments!

I can tell you why I haven't ever used Jettis...

When I explored them a while back, their contract required that they always be the primary processor, and they wanted to approve your secondary processor. That's a bit too heavy handed.

I wont put my business in a position of building a recurring base of users with a processor, who does not give me the right to switch to another processor at will in the event of problems. Sure, I could switch anyway, but I would be in violation of the terms of the contract and consequently risking losing that recurring base.

I don't sign agreements I'm not fully prepared to honor. I wont sign away my right to point my join pages wherever I so desire.

(back to lurking in the shadows)

daggummit is your amateur site listed here?

Todd,
Ken...reputation...
let's hear from Jim, Dig and others who process with them....

I WANT COMPLAINS!

I can't belive them and
http://achdebit.com are the only processor on the net without any complains!

Serge ...and who keeps them ALL honest???

Serge,

Why does jettis have such a good rep, once answer, Ken. Need I say more, he is an excellent businessman and person.

Same with KK @ ccbill, she runs a tight operation:)
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I am VERY curiuos why
Jettis hasn't encountered a single complain on the board which is
Complains Central!
sextoyking the holidays are coming!!

Not that it will do much good,but I am glad someone is at least trying something to get their attention!
MrCash (o�o)

Jim, compliments of KK,
and she knows that I love her more than ALL my previous mothers in law combined!
;-)))
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

WOW! I will have to give Rich a call and show him my support!
MrCash (o�o)

Jim, you too!

something you'll find quite interesting...
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

Serge...you have mail!
MrCash (o�o)

KK,I am not really worried about my account I was just bringing to light the difference I saw in stats between the 2 systems.
Nothing against CCbill but our retentions have always been much higher with Ibill.
MrCash (o�o)

Jim,
can you e-mail me your # to
russkyserge At Hotmail?

let's boogey!

Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

Actually I should say any questions about CCBill no matter what you might be using us for, let me know :)
KK favorite of webmasters everywhere ;)

No problem Jim --

No one is perfect, not us or IBill --

IBill pays on time and in full, that's never been a question and as long as they continue to do so, we'll continue to recommend them to our customers for alternate processing.

Always good to have an alternative, things aren't always the way we like them.

If you have any questions about things that happen when you do use CCBill for primary, drop me an email -- kim@ccbill.com -- I'll be glad to go over the numbers with you for your account privately, including declines :)
KK favorite of webmasters everywhere ;)

I stand corrected! Sorry KK
MrCash (o�o)

Jim,
I think you are mixing up Ibill and CCbill, KK is NOT working for Ibill!
;-))

she didn't say anything about IBill's problems!
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

Jim,
I have my trust in you, if there anything about them worth complaining-
YOU'LL FIND IT!

are you in FL?

care to meet for dinner week after next?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sure I am up for it!

just give me a holler!
MrCash F' the processors make $$$ from emails!

now it seems they will be down again.

"During iBill's emergency maintenance window on Wednesday, October 10, 2001 between 6:00pm and 8:00pm eastern time, iBill transactions, CMI and frontline servers may be intermittently unavailable. "
MrCash F' the processors make $$$ from emails!

We made changes yesterday that didnt affect the customers during the changes.
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I beg to differ...I believe there was more thant 1 affiliate owner in here with the same problem.

Ibill frontline servers were doen from 5:00 a.m until approx 9:00 a.m.
then again from 3:00p.m. until 5:00 pm.
not just slow...totally down.

just slow the rest of the day.
MrCash F' the processors make $$$ from emails!

We made changes yesterday that didnt affect the customers during the changes.
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not according to Jim and I quote:
"Ibill Vs. CCBILL

Ibill may have their problems but i will still take them over ccbill anytime.

Even with all of yesterdays downtime our sales on referrer codes was approx 70% of normal.

Today,looking at the programs who switched processing yesterday(on this board)

0 signs! that's right GOOSE EGG! I will take 70% over ZERO ANYTIME!"

Jim processes millions of dollars a month,
I take his word, he knows his $$$ and Cents...
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

We're setting up Jettis for our merchant account processing,
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Dig, please share your experince with them too!

I'm dying to see more testemonies besides MikeAI about this processor with no complains!
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

It's really simple Serge and neither contradicts the other.

We made changes yesterday that didnt affect the customers during the changes.

Today the pages load alot faster than they did yesterday or the day before or the day before ;)
KK favorite of webmasters everywhere ;)

KK,
you contradict yourself...

1) Yesterday's not really a good day to look at

2) it didn't slow things down during the process

KK,
please explain how is it possible????

1) eliminates 2)
and
2) contradict 1)
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

KK,
if you were running paysite, wouldn't you like to be notifyed about scheduled upgrades????
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

Sorry Serge, it didn't slow things down during the process, the process is just that much better today :)
KK favorite of webmasters everywhere ;)

Ryan, where's your TAGLINE man?? That was a completely wasted post...

We're setting up Jettis for our merchant account processing, the only hitch I ran into was that Jettis likes to use Humboldt and I heard too many scary stories about them. Looks like we'll be able to use another bank though.

dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

damn question:
if this was a scheduled upgrade, H
HOW COME THE CUSTOMERS WEREN'T NOTIFYED????

you know that "upgrades" cost money and those who could have switched the prime processors could have save themselves money????
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

You could call it scheduled I guess, Serge :)

We had a couple of people tell us they thought our join pages weren't loading fast enough so we backtracked thru the whole network, tweaked out some stuff and installed a kickass monitoring system.

:)
KK favorite of webmasters everywhere ;)

MikeAI ?
Ryan Levi
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;-))
Serge and who keeps MikeAI HONEST?

KK, was it scheduled upgrade or Emergency upgrade?
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

who does keep oprano honest ???

would it be MikeAI ?
Ryan Levi

Jim,
I have my trust in you, if there anything about them worth complaining-
YOU'LL FIND IT!

are you in FL?

care to meet for dinner week after next?
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Jim --

Yesterday's not really a good day to look at -- we were doing some network upgrades and installing an outside monitoring system.

I'm sure you'll notice a nice difference today :)
KK favorite of webmasters everywhere ;)

Voodooman,
yes!

and it says
Eh rano vstaet Oprano!
;_)))
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Just wanted to say HI!

Ryan Levi

Serge, do I get a Oprano Special Edition T-Shirt for answering your difficult russian question?
:-)
voodooman Zmaster

Serge..already in action ;)
MrCash F' the processors make $$$ from emails!

Jim,
I have no clue...
http://www.jettis.com/promo/jetbill.html
is rarely here,
MikeAI swears by them but I wanna dig to the bottom of it!
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Jim,
please give them a try and take their heads off if they deserve it!

http://www.jettis.com/promo/jetbill.html

I just can't believe that there is still processors around without any complains!

The first who can bring the ligitimate complain about
http://www.jettis.com/promo/jetbill.html
will get Oprano Special Edition T-Shirt!
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Serge..with all the primo webmaster traffic oprano gets...I guess they they figure their AD SELLS ITSELF!
MrCash F' the processors make $$$ from emails!

Serge I have had sites with Jettis since day one, they are a great processor. In my opinion they are the most professional.

Only problem I have with Jettis is that young punk John Skorick! :-)
Mike AI Sites that convert, processors that stay up, weekly payments!

Jim,
I am VERY curiuos why
Jettis hasn't encountered a single complain on the board which is
Complains Central!
;-))
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Serge...we are getting ready to give them a try.

Also we will be testing websitebilling,whom i know from personal experience scrubs a little harder but is NEVER down
MrCash No Difference

Jim,
all I hear CCbil...Ibill...
can anybody tell me why Jettis is not the part of the conversation?

I haven't heard a SINGLE complain about them yet...

are they THAT good?
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Ibill Vs. CCBILL

Ibill may have their problems but i will still take them over ccbill anytime.

Even with all of yesterdays downtime our sales on referrer codes was approx 70% of normal.

Today,looking at the programs who switched processing yesterday(on this board)

0 signs! that's right GOOSE EGG! I will take 70% over ZERO ANYTIME!
MrCash No Difference

Does anyone know how much Microsoft will be charging for the Annual licensing fee for XP?

voodooman Zmaster

PetrA,
you are 100% CORRECT!

I believe all counter guys will solve it,
1) have no choice
2) they tacled more sophisticared issues!
Serge who keeps Oprano HONEST?

Snoops,
we get about 30 googles hits a day which is about 1% of total average...

but we are like you, we never had ANYTHING surfer related linked to Oprano.Com
;-)))
Serge

Serge, ok, I will rephrase - MSIE 6.x still blockes third party cookies from SexCounter, PayCounter and Netscape... because they are apparently NOT p3p compliant.

Tukhman, good for you. ;) It was just a friendly reminder, I see lots of banner exchange programs and counters all around the web which are based on cookies and which will have major problems when people starts upgrading to Windows XP with MSIE 6.x in its default installation.
Petr A.

Moose - try webmaster@topniche.com hon :)
Snoops (�)

Give oprano time serge LOL

Just went through our referrers - we got one from google for search term "download pornografitti" - now, where in tarnation *that* came from, I have NO clue as we have nothing for surfers on weboverdrive - trafficoverdrive is the only thing in our operation really for surfers and that's a seperate domain LOL

And actually, when I was thinking about referrers, really wasn't considering surfer traffic as it's never been an issue with us. One advantage to using several domains I guess.

Of course, several disadvantages to using multiple domains too :)
Snoops (�)

oh shit, does it mean we have even MORE traffic than the stats show????

MikeAI,
should we LOWER the rates again????
;_)))
Serge

btw neither paycounter.com works in MSIE 6.x... same problem
Petr A.

Snoops , yes i see your point.At the same time though,it could help stomp out some rumors flying around ;-)

BTW Snoops, i need to email you,but dont have a current mail
Moose Change your processor on the fly!!

PetrA, it DOES work,
cookies is NOT the only way they measure stats.

Their numbers are VERY close to KC's and Netscape numbers (actually Netscape is lower)

Serge

Petr,
The day you informed me about that, is the day we started working on it.

It was a very appreciated suggestion, and should be also working fully in the coming days.

We are set to release "SexCounter The End Generation" by end of this year, with everything in statistics one can possibly imagine.

Along with a nice giveaway that is about to be announced (and has been promised for some time now).

Snoops...Anytime ;-)
Tukhman SexCounter

Nick mentioned specifically that he advised password-protecting the referrer stats.
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Dondrea,
we personally don't give a flying fuck about refferals, but I understand clearly where you coming from.

Oprano has a small advantage over everybody in this department-
Oprano.com is NEVER visited by surfers
;-)))
Serge

Tukhman,

SexCounter still does not work in MSIE 6.x because it's not P3P compliant. That means all cookies are blocked from SexCounter.

Petr A.

What about having referers to?
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Moose, if SexCounter doesn't do it-
KC will beat him to it,
if KC and Sexcounter drops the ball-
we have Netscape counter where sponsors can see the refferals....

I am not worried
;-)))

Serge (why are we called EXTREME?)

thanx Nick for the phone conversation and you too serge :)

About referrers - I'm not sure that's a good idea. Resource centers share info, links all sorts of stuff - but it's still competition....dunno, Nick mentioned specifically that he advised password-protecting the referrer stats.

I'd be curious to hear others' thoughts on it.
Snoops (�)

Allien,
have you ever wondered that Oprano enjoys great relations with ALL popular boards out there:
TopNiche, Tom's Newbie Booster, Voltar's but not with the board you moderate?
Serge who keeps YOU honest? who keeps THEM honest? who tells you about your traffic?

Moose,
I remember that SexCounter didn't have refer stats about 3 months ago ;-)

I think it pretty much has everything right, and still in major upgrade mode.

Constant Innovation =)
Tukhman SexCounter

What about having referers to? Counting the hits is one thing,but seeing where the traffic is coming from is another.

(just based on rumors on this board that some resources are piling surfer traffic into the pages)

Moose Change your processor on the fly!!

Dondrea,
thanks again to your call,
I asked Tukhman immediatelly and this is the answer I got:

RusskySerge: (3:05 PM) Dondrea just called, are we combining ALL the pages?

she says we use the same code on ALL sites!
Tukhman: (3:06 PM) yes, because you signed up to Site Counter, which is the same code but on all pages...

RusskySerge: (3:06 PM) so, how can we fix that?

how can we differentiate thru the different pages?
Tukhman: (3:09 PM) hmm
let me see why "pages" stats is now showing up for you
the only stats that our counters doesn't offer and it seems not to work for you
i'll figure it out =)))

RusskySerge: (3:09 PM) thanks!

Tukhman: (3:10 PM) not a problem
that just pissed me off ;-)))

Tukhman: (3:11 PM) btw, you made $10.80 from using our counter! =)

RusskySerge: (3:11 PM) keep it!
;-)))

Tukhman: (3:11 PM) lol

Tukhman: (3:11 PM) serge, you have any banner spots available?

RusskySerge: (3:12 PM) only on side pages
;-(((

Tukhman: (3:13 PM) ;-((
keep me in the loop if you get...i'd love to grab a good spot..

RusskySerge: (3:13 PM) OK, I DEFINATELLY will!

Tukhman: (3:14 PM) gracias =)

Dondrea,
this is an unedited version, right from the horce's mouth,
I expect the problem to be fixed SHORTLY.

Serge who keeps YOU honest? who keeps THEM honest? who tells you about your traffic?

Snoops,
SexCounter offers "Pages" statistics, which is quiet innovative around adult industry counter, however for Oprano it seems to be a little messed up right now, I'll have it fixed =)

Tukhman

Ok, per Serge's instructions <g> I'm posing this q on the board :)

NOT an attack - valid question so I know how to compare apples to apples.

*Apparently* the sexcounter counter is counting several pages on Oprano (board, front page, morons & pearls)

I'm not familiar with sexcounter, but I can't find a way on their stats (by clicking their button up there) to get page by page breakdown.

The other counter - paycounter - is apparently using different codes for each page thereby tracking pages individually.

So, I guess I'm asking for clarification as to what is being counted by who so Tweet & I have info needed to move forward :)

Doesn't matter to me which way it's done, just would like to know so if we do decide to do this - it's an equal comparative :)
Snoops (�)

darn, I'd lose!

I just got call from Dondrea and she will follow the suit,
after few questions got sorted out!

ahhh....NICE to see people with NOTHING to hide under mattresses...
Serge who keeps YOU honest? who keeps THEM honest? who tells you about your traffic?

Serge, do you think any other boards are going to open their 3rd party stats to the public?
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how much do you wanna bet that they won't????

stats will revela what we know already-
they have more surfers traffic than webmasters traffic.

for some operators
Webmaster resources is a piece of bread the'd die for,
we, despite the losses in the stock market,
cherish the truth and integrity over "any confusion, or shenangans"

I think my bet is VERY safe
;-)))
Serge who keeps YOU honest? who keeps THEM honest? who tells you about your traffic?

Ohh, and I am not breaking the law I am using it like anyone else should.

The more you should read about trademark law and the internet the more you will know the power of Standard business practice.

Oprano should be trademarked.
Any adult webmaster that runs a site should trademark there domain.
Otherwise they are not practicing good business standards.

In regards to Sex.COM, such a very very very interesting case it blows door's off Internet Law and did set precidence to future cases.

The power of tradmark is more powerful than the damn domain.
A domain is not a property nor title and truly has no value unless backed by proper business practice.

ALIEN Ready SetGO

Serge, do you think any other boards are going to open their 3rd party stats to the public?

KB what is your opinion of this?? Think it is a good thing? Would you trust these stats rather then some 7,000 figure which no one shows a basis for?

Mike AI Sites that convert, processors that stay up, weekly payments!

I am saying I have not recieved a C&D yet.
No C&D has been recieved.

I am serious though. If I were to know who else claims the trademark or is attempting to trademark it that would be really helpful.

I see 5 people at the USPTO relating to "Youknowwhat".biz. Each have been denied the Tradmark.
ALIEN Ready SetGO

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