Scott.....I believe it.....very current I must say :)
smithy

Anyway .. the thing about being good teacher .. it's hard to explain .. it's not about what you know ..
though that helps.

It's about being incredibly flexible as to what is going to happen that day. It's about analyzing what the class needs on the fly and making sure that withing 55 minutes they get what they need that day.

One day .. Break the class into groups .. one group finishes fast, break that group up .. and have each student from the fast group help the students in the slower groups. Then take someone from the class and put them on the board. Have THEM teach something to the class. Have them work out a problem and explain it. Ask them to generalize the case. Motivate the best students to be brighter. Motivate the slowest to WANT to be the best and make sure no one in the middle gets lost in the shuffle.

Thinking on your feet .. teach them that what they learn is powerful. That it will get them somewhere in the world. A class ALWAYS wants to know why they need to learn something. Every teacher should KNOW the answer before they go in the first day. When they ask, and they will, when they nod their head in agreement, they are hooked.


Colin I've typed TGP2 Bucks 1214 times this week already!

Colin, I think there's a problem. I don't know if it was the same at your university, but when I want to school the 'uninspired' students seemed to gravitate toward education, mainly primary level education. A woman going to college and majoring in elementary ed. was said to be going for her 'MRS' degree :)

Some teachers are motivated and brilliant, and are teaching because they have a genuine gift for it, but my feeling is that most of the teachers we have working today are teachers because it was one of the easiest degrees you could get. The real performers went into engineering, law or medicine..


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Historically, 'conservative' refers to those who would oppose any change in government or the ethos of the country. Progressive refers to those who adapt to a changing environment.

In practice, conservatism always leads to the stamping out of dissent. Progressives, since they're dealing with new solutions to new problems, are open to dissent and disagreement and operate thru compromise between opposing factions, which is the very bedrock of our system.

Conservatives are always flag and country type of guys, more loyal to the symbols of government than to the actual processes that make our government unique.





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Red,

I have a similar situation in my family. I have a 7 y.o. LD sister.
My Dad and her mom (both die-hard Democrats for the record), have become pro-school vouchers.
Colin I've typed TGP2 Bucks 1214 times this week already!

Vick,

I really don't know. I'm another of those that points out that maybe there is a problem and doesn't have the solution but hopes that by continuing to point the problem will be solved.

I'm not even sure I would say that there IS a problem. I mean, someone DOES have to work at McDonald's. The occasional error in my change does not really upset me THAT much. We seem to have more mathematicians than a country needs already.

US Society seems to get by just fine even though plenty of US citizens can't point out a map of Mexico or Canada.

If we're going to try something .. I think .. mostly, we need to experiment and see what happens. We need to get people open to the idea of an education experiment. Let's try evaluating teachers by standardized tests and see what happens. It might take a while before everything evens out. It might not even work. Who knows? Why are we so stuck on the status quo?

Parents? Obviously an important factor but realistically some parents aren't equipped to handle the education of their children beyond a certain point.

This is what I learned from one year of teaching. Any student, no matter what background, what their parents are like, what they perceive their ability is, whatever .. can work at "A" level and understanding with proper teaching.

I subbed half a year (daily) and then took over a class for half a year. I was a daily sub for one school in particular in Orlando.
Someone's always absent.

I learned more about teaching while subbing than while just running the one class. A kid with a "18" average in algebra can score a "100" on a test with only two classes of instruction.

It's difficult to explain how to do this.

More in a minute ...
Colin I've typed TGP2 Bucks 1214 times this week already!

" Historically the progressive party (whichever it may be) has been shown by the passage of time to be correct. The conservative party has been a force for evil. "

Ok can you help me out a little with this
can you define progressive and conservative for me as used in this context and give historical examples of "the progressive party has been shown by the passage of time to be correct."


Vick Hey something's got to go here ;-) so check it out!

I'm not a liberal, I'm a progressive. I'm a shining icon of the value of self-reliance ;)


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Dig, here is where we fundamentally disagree. My vision of conservatism is self reliance. My view of liberalism is of government curing all ills. My view on schools is that parents need to do more while the liberal view seems to be the government needs to do more. It's a difference in philosophies not a battle of good vs. evil.


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

First, I'd like to thatnk Mike for my T-shirts. My boyfriend confiscated the Bin Laden shirt, which is fine since you sent me a small. (that wouldn't make it over one boob.) But the Oprano shirt fits great. Thanks a bunch.

In regards to school vouchers. Allow me to give a parent's perspective. My daughter, who is now 22, has Ausbergers Syndrome, a form of high functioning autism. Throughout school she had been classified as learning disabled. I had her in private school until 3rd grade, when I could no longer afford it and she was then in public school special ed until she graduated high school. I spent those years fighting with the public school system, in and out of court, to get the school district to pay for her private schooling. Unfortunately, the school district will only do this if the teachers admit that they can not teach the student. Since the schools receive twice as much money per special ed students as they do for mainstream, they will never admit this. With the support of the parents of children with learning disabilities group I continued to fight right up until they graduated her from high school with the mental ability of an 8 year old. This was pretty much standard for all the parents in the group. I would have given anything for a voucher to send her to a private school that would have given her the education she needed.

Red

Vick, when you ask your kid what's 2 + 2 and he doesn't say 5 I think you're on the right track. ;)

I really wish my websites would come back up so I could quit posting and get back to work.


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

Ulfie, yes. Historically the progressive party (whichever it may be) has been shown by the passage of time to be correct. The conservative party has been a force for evil.

With the exception of Communism, which is a progressive idea almost always carried out by conservative methodology, this theory has yet to be disproven.


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Then the terms are virtually synonymous to you then. You just use code words so you don't sound nuts.
I agree with Ulfie, you lose all credibility. :P
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Colin - you were an educator, what were your feelings about parental involvement in education?

How do we accurately measure teacher performance?
By students results on standardized tests? (can hear the screaming about that already)
How much their students improve learning skills while under their tutelage?
Rating by teacher's peers or supervisors?
By student's grades? (not too good as the teacher gives the grades)

Vick Hey something's got to go here ;-) so check it out!

Colin - you were an educator, what were your feelings about parental involvement in education?

How do we accurately measure teacher performance?
By students results on standardized tests? (can hear the screaming about that already)
How much their students improve learning skills while under their tutelage?
Rating by teacher's peers or supervisors?
By student's grades? (not too good as the teacher gives the grades)

Vick Hey something's got to go here ;-) so check it out!

Dig, when you make statements like, "The word 'conservative' IS a synonym for 'evil'" you lose all credibility. So, by your logic liberalism is equal to good?


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

I would have to do a little reading to give a definitive answer on that, but my best guess would be the administration b4 the defection of the southern Democrats to the republican party.

They bolted over racial politics, brought a very nasty element to the GOP which basically formed the party as it exists today.


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Colin, come to PA and shout your no unions slogans for awhile and see how long it takes for you to end up in a hospital. ;)


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

Dig,

I'm aware of the definition. I'm still trying to figure out where YOUR defintion of luddite came from though. ;)

What was the last non-conservative Republican administration in your opinion?
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Colin, 'republican' and 'conservative' are not synonyms. The conservative party changes over time with the demographics of the party. The republicans have been right in the past, Lincoln was a Republican. Conservatives have NEVER been right. The word 'conservative' IS a synonym for 'evil' :)


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Ulfie,

Raise the salaries and judge them according to their performance. No contracts. No union. Fuck all that. You're either good enough or need to go.

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Dig, in a Utopian world that would be true but in the real world it rarely does.


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

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You can get it crashing a plane,or looking insane.
Being feared, or growing a beard.
Making rich countries poor, or waging Holy War.
Making Bush mad, or calling Jihad.
You can get it burning a flag, or wearing a rag.
Being an Afghan resident, or pissing off a president.
Putting nations in trouble, or making some rubble.
Being a fugitive fella, or killing for Allah.
You can get it any old how. Matter of fact I've got it now.

smithy

BTW .. I do not know how to evaluate our school system properly. As a teacher I was disappointed by many things in public education system, the worst of which was teacher ability. Teachers lacked the basic skills to teach their classes.

When it's all said and done. The US produces plenty of incredibly well educated people. And .. SOMEONE has to work at McDonald's or else I wouldn't be able to get a Shamrock Shake in March.
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I have no problem with teachers making good money. I agree with Vick in that it's one of the most important jobs in America. What is more important than educating people? The problem I have with just unilaterally raising salaries are outlined below. Once the teacher is making 100K you can't get rid of them if they decide to become "ditto". (the teacher that died and nobody noticed.)


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

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Ulfie, my $25 billion point was only an illustration of Dig's hypocrisy (although we are working on becoming friends anyway). Dig says the Republican Party has never had any good viewpoints. They are totally worthless as a political party. I say he is nuts. Even the craziest people have worthy ideas.

I think, given his political stance, that he liked Bush' $25 billion education proposal .. especially the part where "The largest portion of the money would go to a reading program and to a college grant program for low-income students."

Sounds like a very traditionally Democratic proposal to me.
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ulfie, EVERYONE shares part of the blame for our current dismal educational system. The teachers union MUST bend on these common sense issues or it will end up being broken. Repubs MUST recognize that the poorest elements of our society need education as much or more as the most affluent elements.


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btw, I will also fully admit that private schools put out better students because the PARENTS are forking out a lot of dough therefore they are going to take a much more active roll in their kids education.

I am also against vouchers because I don't want the feds involved with private schools. Grove City College is a perfect example here. They don't take a dime in government money and they are free to set their admission policies any way they want. That's something the voucher crowd needs to keep in mind.


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

Ulfie,

You don't burst mine. What state are you in? PA? Average starting salary: 29k. I'm not worried about average salary, it's average starting salary that matters.

Higher starting salaries will attract better quality teachers. My school friends all took quant-jock jobs on Wall Street making $45k/ first year. Up to $100k/3rd year.

Contrast that with average US starting teacher salary of $22k.

If public school could have paid me $45k first year and $100k/ 3rd, I would have stayed a teacher. The world would have been a better place. :)

The question is how do you attract the best and brightest to teach? What can we learn from early 20th century Hungary and German Gymnasium? Germany had their brightest researchers teaching in Gymnasium.
Colin TGP2 Bucks

Colin, wasn't accusing anyone here of that. That's the way politicians work though. They sign some grand bill and say "We just increased education spending by $25 billion." When in reality there is absolutely no plan for what to do with the money. The local school district gets it and they end up using it for such worthwhile purposes as building new scoreboards for the football team or puting new carpet in the teachers lounge. That was my point. Private schools don't have that luxary of getting random bonuses when some politician wants some votes therefore they spend money wisely.

Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

Education begins and ends at home
Public (or private) school education should be a child's secondary source of education

part of the problem with our education system is too many depend on it as the primary educator of their children

Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

I have no problem with any of those three suggestions.


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Colin, be careful about retiring...Serge tried that a few years ago and look where it got him. ;)


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Sorry to burst your bubble on salaries but 50k/year for teachers is the norm here. Hasn't helped much.


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

Ulfie,

Who said to dump money into public schools?
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I love the argument that we should just dump more money into public schools and that will make them better. The private high school I graduated spends about $3k/student on each kids education. That's less than half of what the public schools here spend. The results, the public high school that I would have went to sent 32% of their students on to higher education. The private school I went to sent 100% of their students of to college. Schools like Harvard, Yale, Bucknell (my alma mater), Lehigh, CMU, etc.

My point is that throwing more money into a rathole isn't going to improve the situation. You want to improve schools:
1) base teacher pay on performance.
2) eliminate tenure
3) require teachers to be recertified

Of course, these things will never happen because of the unions but that would be an immediate step in the right direction to improve schools that costs absolutely nothing.


Ulfie Colin teaches math class here daily

60k? Our schools would be excellent.
I have no doubts.

I plan to teach High School again when I retire .. whenever THAT is.
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"Patriotism gives you Patrick Henry and Abraham Lincoln. Nationalism gives you Mussolini. "
Point taken and duly noted

Even in the war of 1776 one third of the country wanted to stay under Brittish rule

Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

Vick .. I would have offered my services to the military as a physicist. Or a laundry boy in the air force. I would do my part.
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Colin, with you 100% on teacher's and saleries
A friend of mine taught school out of college for 4 years until she got pregnant and then left to raise a family
It was just a temporary job to her

Looking at the scale of life I see teachers, firefighters and law enfourcement officers as life's great unsung heros
When looking at the payscale for those occupations and then for professional athletes, entertainers and yes even adult webmaster's well, something is a little out of kilter, but that's the way it is
Think of the great educators that could be attracted to the field if salaries were even 60K per year for public school educators

Hooper, if we had cigars and a drinks this would be a gentlemen's club open to heated and passionate discussion and exchange of opinions and idea and an opportunity to learn

If you have a business issue please throw it out for discussion


Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

Right or wrong I feel a blind allegiance to the our country
----------------------

Vick, let me point out that there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism.

Patriotism gives you Patrick Henry and Abraham Lincoln. Nationalism gives you Mussolini. Blind allegiance to your country does your country no service, informed participation is what makes our way of life worth fighting for..


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Dig,

I didn't expect that. Maybe you're alright after all ;)
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Vick, I totally understand. And .. it's REAL hard for me to look back to events that happened when I was a little kid and say what I what I would or would not do. I have the advantage of knowing the end result and ineptness of the campaign. I wouldn't have died to save South Vietnam's ass. I'm pretty opposed to my own death. It takes a lot to get me to risk it. I'm having fun living. One chance.

I do not have blind allegiance. I do however fly my flag proudly (and not at night like my neighbors!).


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it wasn't justified. Vietnam was a terrible mistake on Kennedy's part.


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

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Hooper Another Cliche... Another Day... Another Dollar

Dig,

January 15, 1962 - During a press conference, President Kennedy is asked if any Americans in Vietnam are engaged in the fighting. "No," the President responds without further comment.

Is this what you mean by not playing by the rules? Please tell me why Kennedy's lie was justified?
Colin TGP2 Bucks

Will respectfully disagree on serving in Vietnam, I would have went (admittedly easy for me to say in this chair here today)
Right or wrong I feel a blind allegiance to the our country
I do agree Vietnam was a mistake
We had no clear objective
It wasn't a matter of supporting South Vietnam to protect them from communist insurgence, or a pawn in the larger cold war between US/Europe and Russia/China
Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

and kills time...


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

Hooper .. this helps us decide who we want to do business with. ;)
Colin TGP2 Bucks

No shit smithy..

I really think this poli-talk should be kept over on the http://www.oprano.com/poliboard/

What? It doesn't exist? Hmmm... maybe that's a sign.

Lets talk about business.
Hooper Another Cliche... Another Day... Another Dollar

Vick,

I've read both sides of the issue. I also taught High School my first year out of college. I just wanted to know your opinion. I'm pretty 50/50 on it.

Personally, I would take the $25 billion and raise teacher's salaries. Teacher salaries aren't exactly attracting the best prospects. Public school teachers often teach as a last resort.

I was very disappointed with my fellow teachers. They were toally inept.
Colin Oprano Plus.

just finished reading the board for the day....all very serious today aren't we?? :)
smithy

Vick,

I don't think I would have served in Vietnam; not if I knew then what I know now. The few people I met that served there were sure as hell not happy to have served there.

I love my country but I don't think Vietnam was a good decision. Governments and people makes mistakes. First Kennedy, then Nixon. Both responsible.

I would have went to Europe (WW1, WW 2).
Colin Oprano Plus.

Listen Colin, I respect your intellectual prowess. I understand you're a mathematician. As such, I invite you to hit this link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/vouchers/

It's a good place to start. There's no way to really outline the entire issue with just a couple posts on a message board but the end result of the voucher system will be to take money away from urban school districts and concentrate it in suburban districts and private schools.

Man our public schools need help, they don't need money taken AWAY from them right now.

Vick, you can't just go mindlessly killing whoever you're told to kill. If you disagree with that, I don't think we're going to be able to find common ground on that issue.


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

I made up the 100 million numbers by the way .. illustrating a point.
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p.s. "If the war was unjust, drafting me would be pointless. I'm not killing anybody who doesn't need killing and that's that.

How and who determines that?
If your country declared an enemy and we are at war and being attacked by said enemy .....
Does that mean they deserve killing?

Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

And Dig, your claim is that Republicans use these tactics and Democrats don't? 100 million Republicans. 100 million Democrats. Why do you think the Republicans are all cheaters?

You asked "Can anyone tell me the last time that a conservative political party was right on ANY major issue?"

I answered that "Bush proposed to increase federal spending on education by an additional $25 billion over the next five years. The largest portion of the money would go to a reading program and to a college grant program for low-income students."

Then you say "Well, they used tactics to sabotage their own bill"

First you asked the question. I answer. Then you change the rules of the game. You cheated! Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. if you are representative of Democarats, I don't need to know anymore!

Next thing you'll do is tell me that Democrats are better people than Republicans.
Colin Oprano Plus. Where reasonable people hang out

Dig, - "I signed up just for the fuck of it already" is that true? As in you have already done a hitch or just signed up recently?

Maybe you can explain this to me
"The problem with vouchers is that it will further concentrate money spent on education in affluent areas, predominantly private schools and public institutions in high income school districts. "

While everyone should have equal access to a good education (truthfully you TAKE an education, one is not given to you) why do you feel the money will end up in affluent school districts when a portion of the funds are earmarked for college grant programs for low-income students

I understand the vouchers are for parents who send or want to send their children to private schools

Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

Colin, that's exactly what I'm talking about.. I'm not referring to a conspiracy. This is a very common, even prevalent tactic in D.C. Want to make a proposal but you don't want it to pass? Attach a poison pill amendment to it and kill it. Then you can say 'hey I did my part for education, it was those damn (insert enemy here) who killed the bill.'

The problem with vouchers is that it will further concentrate money spent on education in affluent areas, predominantly private schools and public institutions in high income school districts.

The last thing we need in this country is an even angrier, LESS educated lower class. That's how revolutions get started and we don't need a revolution.

Vick - if the war was just they wouldn't NEED to draft me. I signed up just for the fuck of it already, I know what it's like to wear the uniform, do you?

If the war was unjust, drafting me would be pointless. I'm not killing anybody who doesn't need killing and that's that.


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Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Did,

Just curious .. what do you see wrong with school vouchers?
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Dig,

You are utterly hopeless .. you turn everything into a conspiracy, even when someone is acting in accordance with what I would guess are your own principles.

If a Democrat tried to pass the same bill and it failed, you would blame the Republicans.

Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Dig - What would you do if you were drafted?

Would you serve your country?
Does your freedom, your families freedom mean enough for you to give your life?

Notice I don't have to resort to your tactics
just simple questions


Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

Colin, he included the poison-pill voucher section to his proposal, thus guaranteeing it's failure.

you gotta be tricky to keep up with these guys :)

Vick, you're too far behind in the knowledge race, you go on /ignore now

dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

Dig,

At Yale Commencement 2001, after joking "And to you 'C' students, you too can be president of the United States" ..which I'm sure you heard on the news .. Bush stated that he was grateful for his Yale experience, saying the university is a source of great pride for him. "All universities, at their best, teach that degrees and honors are far from the full measure of life, nor is that measure taken in wealth or in titles," Bush said. "What matters most are the standards you live by, the consideration you show others, and the way you use the gifts you are given."

This I must agree with.
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Here Dig,

I will open your eyes to the goodness of George Bush. What is your opinion of this?

"Bush proposes to increase federal
spending on education by an additional $25 billion over the next five years. The largest portion of the money would go to a reading program and to a college grant program for low-income students."
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Ok I lied - one more
"Democrats are indeed the party that most often acts responsibly."

Yes, and can I have a blow job in the oval office to go please

And that's before you get to the Kennedy family


Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

yeah but the current incarnation of the Republican party isn't proud of going to Yale, Vick, they downplay it.

hey Vick, ever heard of the DRAFT?!?


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

I have time for one correction
"soldiers that were FORCED into the field?"

NO ONE WAS FORCED INTO THE FIELD
They had the honor and privilege of serving their country
and were brave enough to meet the challenge


Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

Dig,

As far as academics .. there has been a Yale grad in the White house every year since 1980. That's good enough for me. :)
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

"identify with Nixon and McCarthy "
The 2 are worlds apart, I have no idea how you even got to that position

The Rooseveldt I identify with is Teddy

And where were you during the Vietnam war, Dig?

Dig, don't have the time for it now but you an I have very different perceptions of the Reagan era

Vick Both fiction and non fiction readers accepted here, just as long as you can think

yes, it's a good system Colin, as long as everyone plays by the rules.


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

Alex,

Long live "Learning Perl" .. my intro to programming. One of the great works of english literature :O
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Dig,

I don't see Evils of the Republican party as any worse than Evils of the Democratic party.

I am neither.

I have been supportive of each administration of my adult life:
Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush.

I don't see an administration as Republican or Democratic. I see a President, The Cabinet, The House, and Congress. A system of checks and balances that in my opinion works as intended.

Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Colin, I don't have an 'official position' on anything, but in this era the Democrats are indeed the party that most often acts responsibly.

All you really have to do to see who the good guys are is find out which party dislikes academics. If they scorn education and dislike 'uppity' college professors, you can be pretty sure that you have found the organization pandering to the lowest common denominator.


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Non fiction: PJ O'Roarke's Eat the Rich, very funny and lighthearted look at the serious business of economics and such. The humor really helps to make the points.

Fiction: Just about anything from C.J Cherryh - I am a sci-fi type, what can I say? I am sometimes amazed by writers that can not only create characters, but create a universe for them. The entire downbelow series is worth the buy.

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Dig,

You're going to tell me you thought about all issues and just happened to come to the same conclusions ast the "official position" of the Democratic Party, whetever that is.
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

I would have been safely in college majoring in Political Science I expect..


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

Dig,

I can't see the world as black and white as you. Sometimes Republicans are right. Sometimes Democrats are right. Sometimes Libertarians are right.


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Colin, I AM biased.

Reagan took out a HUGE volume of short term, high interest loans to fund his pet projects and sent the economy into a tailspin that ultimately derailed George Bush. Not to mention he actively carried on a secret war in Nicaragua, circumventing the will of the American people as expressed thru Congress and our democratic system of decision making.

Did I mention he was senile while still in office?

Oliver North committed TREASON and you guys still love him, you crack me up LOL!! He should have been hung.




dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

Hey Mike, you mean those predominantly poor and black soldiers that were FORCED into the field? There weren't any rich white college bound kids there unless they volunteered, and those type of people are few and far between.
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Exactly my point... the rich white kids were on colege campuses protesting. Where would have you been Dig?


Mike AI make money with busty amateurs....

Dig,

Sure .. Reagan increasing the military budget and developing new weapons technologies.

Unlike you, I do not associate myself with a political party. As a person with no party affiliation, I must say that you sound extremely biased.

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Can anyone tell me the last time that a conservative political party was right on ANY major issue?
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Webfather...is it Cone Puppy or something else? You've been down along time.
Nathaniel

Indians got us, fuck where was our offense?

sextoyking the holidays are coming!!

Hey Mike, you mean those predominantly poor and black soldiers that were FORCED into the field? There weren't any rich white college bound kids there unless they volunteered, and those type of people are few and far between.


dig420 Ready Set GO!!!!!

luddite in common parlance refers to someone who is PROUDLY ignorant. Like someone who ignores the fact that as United States citizens we have not just the right, but the OBLIGATION to act according to our conscience. If your country sent you to take over Texas, would you go?

To think that Nixon was a good guy and the Hippies were the villains.. man that just speaks to so much willful evilness that I wouldn't even know how to go about enlightening you except to ask that you PLEASE PLEASE read a book. Can anyone tell me the last time that a conservative political party was right on ANY major issue?

Sufferage - Nope
WW II - Nope
Vietnam - Nope
Civil Rights - Nope
Emancipation - Nope

I don't hate any man (still living), but people who identify with Nixon and McCarthy more than Roosevelt, man, I just don't understand your thought processes.


dig420 I'm not part of the great gray sludge, are you??

MSNBC has been the best from my perspective Colin... CNN has been pathetically slow in getting hot stories to TV... much as Serge said, I was getting stories faster from this board than I was from CNN... and MSNBC was only slighty faster than the Oprano News Channel ;-)))

On another note... YAY! Fuck Visa!
http://www.msnbc.com/news/640581.asp?0cm=c20
Hoop

Well, Long live Ryan and Koufax then.
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Horny Dude .. I'll be in Vegas Nov 10. You going?

Should I look for the guy with the nametag that says "Horny"? might be hard to spot you that way.
Colin TGP2 Bucks.

Anyone going to Las Vegas for AdultDex come Nov. or is everyone just waiting for IA2002 in Jan.

Just a wonder
Horny Dude Happy Sock

colin..nope 11 short

CNN has the best coverage, foxnews blows
grimm