JMScore,
18....1st year in college
;-)))
Serge did you say 70's??? ;-)))

Magic, I made a mistake....those were not 80's, those were SEVENTIES!
;-)))
Serge did you say 70's??? ;-)))

How old, Serge? : )
JMScore (Where the only line, is the bottom line)

Hmmm... don't have any old pics from the 80's of me online.... that might be a good thing...



TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?

Serge...who is that??


Magick #3 overall in The Statistician...WE ROCK

Ask Colin: Colin, AquaNet or Rage?

I shoulda bought stock in Aqua Net...that shit was amazing, also used to use a little Emler's Glue in a pinch...
SykkBoy something wicked this way comes

aahhh.....
;-)
Serge did you say 80's??? ;-)))

hehe Colin...nice 'do ;-))))))

and I thought I had big hair in the 80's...

LOL


Magick #3 overall in The Statistician...WE ROCK

There ya go .. Dorian Grey and Legacy .. I'm laughing here.
Colin Ask Colin about Big Hair

quite a hairdo! ;-)))
Hooper

ya can't hotlink images with tripod.

http://monstermike1.tripod.com/past.html works though.
Hooper

Heh ..when I was 20 (12 years ago) and played in a rock band I had long hair. I'm the guy in white.

http://monstermike1.tripod.com/doriangrey.jpg

For those that know my brother Jesse, he's on the other side of the chick in the middle.
Colin Ask Colin still needs crazy questions for this week! Help out!

Forest, russians don't joke about vodka......
;-)))
Serge

From somewhere else ...

"In fact, there was one inventor of electronic television. Video as we now know it first took root in the mind of Philo T. Farnsworth, and he was the first to successfully demonstrate the principal, in San Francisco on Sept 7, 1927. If you need to fix a date on which television arrived, that's the date.

Unfortunately, the historical record is not quite so clear. More often the date that is cited is 1923. Pick up almost any encyclopedia and it will tell you that "Vladimir Zworykin invented the Iconoscope for RCA in 1923." Using that date fixes Zworykin's name before Farnsworth, and usually renders Farnsworth to the status of "another contributor" in the field. That ain't the way it happened.

"
Colin Ask Colin still needs crazy questions for this week! Help out!

"As early as 1892, Nikola Tesla created a basic design for radio."

The Popov radio appears later ;)

The debate still rages beteen Farnsworth and Zworykin aa inventor of the television though the case for Farnsworth seems to me to be the stronger case.

Who opposes Al Gore as inventor of the internet?!!!!

Colin Timeless Truths

Re: "What makes them intelligent? Keeping their mouths shut about what makes them money"

I have seen no greater wisdom today than this.
Colin Timeless Truths

It was a JOKE...

Shheshhhhhh
Forest A GREAT new TGP2 Board

Rather interesting history discussion and lesson going on here today.


Colin's talk about perspective IS valid and his Columbus example isvery illustrative of it. Talk to my in-laws (Native Americans) and Columbus is perceived much differently.



TheEnforcer Isn't it about time you started Making Bank?

Forest,
the depth of your knowledge never ceized to amaze me....

did they name
The Most Cheating Program of the Year
after Claudia?

Serge

Russian scientist POPOV invented radio...

____________________________

That's why they named a Vodka after him
Forest Free Video feeds for EVER 24/7 365.....Ask me How

In regards to "thinking out of the box"...

I am sure there are a few intelligent people thinking outside of the box, and making some serious cash in the process.

What makes them intelligent? Keeping their mouths shut about what makes them money ;-) Trade secrets live on, don't they?

;-)))
Magick #3 overall in The Statistician...WE ROCK

Tesla...Marconni....
none of the above!

Russian scientist POPOV invented radio...

eat your hearts out, freaks!
;_))
Serge

It's Meni's birthday! Send him your love, hate or just total indifference to him here!
http://www.opranoplus.com

hmmmmmmmm.........think Jenna will drop by and sign it?
mutt Send Meni a message here!

Colin, didn't Tesla also have something to do with the actual amp tubes themselves? Sorry, just woke up and still have a few cobwebs in the head....I remember an interview with the band Tesla and seem to recall some discussion of Tesla's accomplishments....but when I was in broadcasting school, we too, were taught that the inventor was Marconi...of course my instructor was a dopesmoking Beatles freak, so always had to be taken with a grain of salt...he was "internet" before "internet" was cool...hehehehehe
SykkBoy something wicked this way comes

Serge I am off to the zoo with my nephew... however, I too remember AL H. being first. He used to fed ex me a check every week. Then he held it up for a few weeks because he had something special coming out, which would make me more money! hahaha

I liked it when I was getting my flat weekly checks.


Mike AI

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I'll start first....Partnership Programs
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why do you say that?
Hooper

JohnIP, if you in NJ, care to join us tomorrow?

my cell is 201-2940773
Serge

the WORST things to happen to this industry...not surprisingly Im sure it will be some things on the most innovative;)
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Partnership Programs.
JohnIP

FTC closing High Society.
millions of dollars were taken away from the industry,
money which showered us all
;_))
Serge

Serge

MLMs was FantasyMan' MLM. I was right for me. I came out ahead.

Those that stand at the top of the pyramid should talk about how nice the view is.
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

Jim, very nice :)

I think I remember now. I had asked you to prove that e^ix=cosx+isinx

Old times. Good times.

Hope all is well for you. :)
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

Colin
Almost right...
You were saying that there was no way anyone could lose with MLMs. And you said, Differntial Geometry, anyone??? I asked you a question, you got it wrong. You asked me a question, I got it right.

But I cheated.
I had a friend that had just graduated from Purdue. I called and got the answer from him.
Jim CE

Jim, yes I do .. wasn't a contest though. If remember correctly, I answered a question and you didn't have to answer one?

I think it was because I said I could answer a question in a certain amount of time .. and you gave me a question on differential geometry .. a subject that I hadn't faired too well in.

Did you have to answer a question?
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

Geez....Old time shit...who invented the first niche sites...who had the first amatuer site....who flipped Serge the bird first;))

Btw I think we should talk about the WORST things to happen to this industry...not surprisingly Im sure it will be some things on the most innovative;))I'll start first....Partnership Programs.
JohnIP

Colin
That's honestly just how I remember events happening. Ron had the first click-through program on my site and a month later I added Als.

As I said, I could be wrong. I mean, I have no witnesses :)

Hey Colin...remember our math contest?
Jim CE

Everything comes together.
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

Colin
Rick and Cliffie worked together building YNOT.
Jim CE

So .. Jim, you think CE invented click-through proggy? If so, why?

Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

Yes .. the questions changed in my mind! Serge, do you agree that Ynot owned first Toplist and Cliffy invented Toplist?

How *is* it that Cliffy invented it before Ynot got one up. Did he talk about it and then Ynot scooped him?
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

I think our definition of invention is probably the same.
Jim CE

Colin
The question was...
Who owned the first "top list"?

If the question was who invented the first toplist, I would agree with you and say Cliffie.

Jim CE

Serge .. we're not talking about what *I* believe? Who invented the radio? I believe that Tesla did. The TRUTH is that Tesla invented radio first. NOW, what is the answer on Jeopardy? Probably Marconi. I know many examples where my belief, based upon second hand reports of primary source documents differs from answer of History Books.

Personally, *I* believe that AH invented click through program. Always have. What is the correct answer on Jeopardy?

Ask me who INVENTED toplist? My answer is Cliffy's. It comes down to what you define as "invented". Jim has a different definition of invention than you might have.

My debate is not over differing versions of history. I am talking about differing definitions of "invented" and "discovered"?

Did Columbus DISOVER America? Yes or no, depending on your definiton of discover. If you think Discover means first one to see the land, the answer is no. If you say the first European to have sailed, discovered, and popularized it in such a way that more people followed him immediately, then the answer is yes.

If you mean first to have conceptualized it .. the first person might be Cliffy or someone else. If you say first to have it active, then answer is Ynot.

Again, I just say that differenig definitions of "discover" and "invention" lead one to different answers. One is not better than another.


Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

I haven't seen anybody besides FM and CE employees to claim that they were the first.
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I take it Serge, you haven't been here is a while.
http://www.clickcash.com/
Jim CE

Serge,

To bad you are not going to make it to Vegas in November.

Gary Kremen will be there in person to do a conference on Sex.com. He also agreed to take questions from anyone in the room.

Now if I could just figure out a way to get Cohen to show up!

;-)
VegasLee Hear it from the Horses Mouth about Sex.com at Adultdex

Heck all I got for you this trip is a t-shirt : )


Billy (Oprano Sergeant at Arms)

Billy, can't deny it
;-))
Serge who got me Rolex? ;-)

Billy,
LOL
;-)))
Serge

How does one resolve this quandary?
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Colin,
I haven't seen anybody besides FM and CE employees to claim that they were the first.

They even quote WRITTEN statement from AH on his site that FM was first, but....
AH did it after 2 things
1) law suit from FM he didn't need
2) discovering that webmasters are 95% whores and sell their own mothers for .1 cent.
By that time he didn't need webmasters, he KNEW where the REAL money are and had long term contracts with major Search Engines.
He proved his VISION to be correct, as he has much less webmasters in his proggy, but collects the biggest revenues of them all.

Now when he can't care less about FM's law suit, he reveals WHO and WHY and under what circumstances, as he can buy CE with his left pocket change.


Will you believe that Hitler commited no genocide if you see it written in
"The Worl History according to Taliban"?

Will you believe the biblical mother who claimed to Solomon that the child is not hers and should be given to another woman instead of cut in half?

Would you believe me who wrote that sexia.com is NOT rightfully mine in court documents?
(Gary Kremen wrote to me he has no problems transferring it back, thou, despite my writing)

THINK ABOUT IT....
;-)))
Serge

Serge do you remember what webmasters were the first to give you a Rolex ? ?


Billy (Oprano Sergeant at Arms)

Serge,

It comes down to perceptions. The question is what do people believe? Most people think of Marconi as inventor of radio though it seems he was second in reality. It is TAUGHT and WRITTEN that Marconi invented radio, yet he was not first. History (people's perceptions of it) carries the message that Marconi invented radio.

Who invented the radio? One can only say .. Tesla was the first to produce a working radio. At a slightly later date, Marconi produced one and with greated financing and popularity, was credited with invention of radio.

Which inventors name wins on Jeopardy?

I've seen this debate for years about inventor of click program. My guess is that most people, after having viewed the debates come away saying "AH or CE". There's my 50/50.
AH = Tesla
CE = Marconi

Which one wins on Jeopardy.

*I* think that Tesla should be given full credit for inventor of the radio. If I were taking a test in grade school, my answer would be Marconi though!

How does one resolve this quandary?
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

That debate seems to be 50/50 in History Books. And memories and debates seem to keep it around 50/50.
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Bullshit.

I have 3 eye witnesses and the other "50%" has NADA.

Colin,
no history revisions allowed on my watch
;-))
Serge

When the King commissioned a History to be written we know how that turned out.

When will CyberErotica commission a History of the Adult Internet?
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

This debate is like who invented the radio or who invented Calculus.

Marconi or Tesla
Newton or Leibnitz

Each school of thought has their own claim based their own reasoning.

Leibnitz may have invented calculus before/same time as Newton but Newton made it to press first.
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/leibnitz.htm

Marconi or Tesla?
http://www.mercury.gr/tesla/marcen.html

You guys can go on and on .. but in the end, Cliffy's had more press in the beginning .. everyone knew about Cliffy's. Cliffy's got BIG. Cliffy's wins in the History books and Ynot becomes historical footnote. When asked, no matter how many times people show up to say the contrary, most people remember Cliffy's.

As far as per pay program, I think AH and CE were only two choices when I arrived. They were both already here. AH was paying .02. I think I remember CE raising to .03 and that being a big deal! They had a picture of three pennies together on the stats page!

That debate seems to be 50/50 in History Books. And memories and debates seem to keep it around 50/50.

History is often about what people remember. History is often about story-telling and tales handed down from generation to generation until someone finally writes it down.

These are tales. Who will write the Official History and make it jump from memories to real?
Colin TGP2 Bucks .. Legend of the Future

Less rules at the beginning,
way more violent.
More entertaining.

Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Help Help!
I'm stuck in this box! ;-)))
Hooper The 2nd biggest innovation

Do we have anyone 'thinking out of the box today?
Sharpie
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I don't think so....most of the "innovations" of today are based upon old like earth
"Perception is reality" theme
;-))
Serge

John
LOL...I do remember that.

The only reason I remember YNOT being first for the toplists is the last time the discussion came up, not long ago, Rick posted email between him and Cliffie that confirmed it.

Hooper, the very same :)
Jim CE

Well Alex, you started quite a discussion! It seems that there were quite a few in the 'old days - who were thinking out of the box.

Do we have anyone 'thinking out of the box today?
Sharpie 48 hrs left for $75 signups

John, I know the GUY, spoke with him on the phone before he wired $11,000 to "pre SC acount"
;-))

he wasn't first and neither others who came with their versions within 3-4 weeks
;_)))
Serge

Jim / Serge...lets not forget the women who used to send you checks from her program from some Antigue shop in Kanasas;))....Fold remembers.

Rick(Ynot) and Cliffie we tight then...not sure who was first with the top list... used to play both of them.

The rest is a bit of a blur and Im OLD!!:))
JohnIP

I quit watching UFC after that brazillian dude kept winning all of them with his leg sleeper holds.

Quite a cool discussion going on here today.. Jim.. still no answer about leslie? is she the igallery girl?
Hooper The 2nd biggest innovation
Sat, 29 Sep 2001 10:27:17 - IP: 66.68.122.196 - Post # 21039

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Ya, those epic Gracie 30 minute love fests were pretty boring.

Hooper, icq me you bastard. :)
Gary

Jim,
somehow
Persian Kitty
webmistress@persiankitty.com

Joe Holler
holler@ holler.net

David Amundsenn,
davic@xmission.com

people who were in the middle of things, rememeber MY version of the story
;_))

best of luck finding people who remember yours
;-)))
Serge

I quit watching UFC after that brazillian dude kept winning all of them with his leg sleeper holds.

Quite a cool discussion going on here today.. Jim.. still no answer about leslie? is she the igallery girl?
Hooper The 2nd biggest innovation

UFC? zzzzzzzzzz
I miss the first couple of UFC's.

Meni (The Golden Tongue)

Serge
I do think you are wrong but I won't argue with you because I can't remember either. Ron's FastCash program was the first I used and then threw Al's up about a month later.
Jim CE

Tito won, but it was a boring fight.
Mike AI Make your picks, and win an exclusive Nuke a Terrorist shirt!
Sat, 29 Sep 2001 02:28:06 - IP: 66.21.170.63 - Post # 21015

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It was a little on the slow side, but everyone said how Vladdy would totally dominate Tito in wrestling, and Tito was not on his back once. He's a very dominating champion.
Gary

CLIFFIE'S Idea or not, it was used on YNOT first.
Jim
*************

Jim, you see, I won't argue with you on this one as I DO NOT REMEMEBR,
but what I rememebr-
I REMEMBER.
Serge

The First Pay Per Click Program
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was NOT CE, please do not defraud the public, thus making yourself less credible.

Don't make me dig in the depth of my MAC and find the open letter from FM when he threatened to sue the guy who was working for him and left to work for AH,
for allegedly sabotaging CE proggy which came 3 weeks later after AH
Serge

CLIFFIE'S Idea or not, it was used on YNOT first.
Jim The First Pay Per Click Program

Colin
YNOT was before Cliffy as far as toplists.
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Jim, it was a PURE Cliffie's idea and logic behind was HIS and HIS only. Kid Slick has nothing to do with TOP's,
it was CLIFFIE's IDEA!
;-)))
Serge

Biggest innovation in porn business?
Pay per click programs! HAS TO BE!
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hahahahahahaha,
it was NOT exactly adult invention.

The history behind this one is:

1) COTAC was selling traffic to Amateur Hardcore, IOL, ClubLove based on fixed price per week.
I heard on the radio that Yahoo! started selling traffic to Procter and Gamble based upon click thru, that was NEW!
I called my partners and we agreed selling traffic to AH based upon click thru too, at 5 cents per click, same as Yahoo.
Al Hadhazy loved the idea, it was going on for a week, untill we disagreed on click counts.
I gave Al Hadhazy the ultimatum, either he goes with our counts, or we take the banners down.

He thought we were bluffing, he was paying us $550 a day, big money in 1996, but...we took the banners out and he lost 80% of his traffic overnite.

This got him so pissed, that few months later he introduced FIRST click thru proggy and directed it for general population.

That's how the FIRST click thru proggy EVER was created.


2) WHAT WENT WRONG?????
========================

AH has a very good fraud management system in place,
bot was checking links on the daily basis and any deviation from offcial text language or banners resulted in suspension of payments, thus making ANY fraud counter productive.

Late comers like FM introduced their versions of click proggy, with ZERO fraud protection, can you believe that he was paying based upon server stats and raws?

School boys could defraud his click thru
;-)))

He was losing money, but gaining market share as folks were scared by AH's strict linkage rules and FM was a "pussycat" for a quick buck.

He opened the doors for fraud, showing the world how easy it was to make a killing overnite by just being "un-prudent".

Per sign up/productivity pay out schemes invited even more fraud, as every CC numbers generators were busy at work defrauding the systems, thus inviting back charges
and other negative processing developments
("your credit card will never be charge" haven't helped the matters either.)

I bet that if the original scheme and tight ship like AH's click thru proggy were in place today-
back charges wouldn't be so rampant.


but....this is somethign we'll never know
;-)))
Serge (diversify, diversify, diversify!)

Serge
I remember :)
Jim CE

Colin
YNOT was before Cliffy as far as toplists.

YNOT also had the first TGP, Premier Pictures for members only.

And I agree about the biggest innovation.

Jim The First Pay Per Click Program

Colin,
Cliffie was the FIRST and not only in Top 50 business.

Do you know that Cliffie set up The First Ever adult webmasters chat board?

Those who remember that and the reason for it-
raise your hands!
;-))

FM, there was rumor that you were involved behind the scenes...as a direct beneficiary of Cliffie's action.

I am not 100% sure, though, about your involvement
;-)))
Serge

Biggest innovation in porn business?
Pay per click programs! HAS TO BE!

Far-L, thank you! :)

Colin Sponsor Statistics Lesson

Yup .. Cliffy's is the first I remember also. I think Serge has said in the past that there was one that was older (?) but i wasn't around before that.

Cliffy's was certainly the first one anyone knew about.
Colin TGP Lite

Probably to late for mainstream now...they have fucked away millions and a fantastic opportunity for success.IDIOTS
Nathaniel   
Sat, 29 Sep 2001 03:11:33 - IP: 209.239.207.32 - Post # 21021
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who you talkin' 'bout willis?
12clicks

Slavik,
there is a lot of pagan in all of us
;-))


Serge

if you believe Nostradamus, you must read this

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/predict.htm


Slavdogg

jr,

I think i was in junior high or high scholl when I saw it. Kinda freaked me out a bit too. Though not nearly as much as seeing Jaws when I was like 5 or 6 though. jaws still has an effect on me today as an adult. I refuse to swim in the ocean and subject myself to being fish food. :>))




TheEnforcer Nostradamus predicts you'll make a SHITLOAD of money if you click here!!

which mainstream still doesn't
get: Sending exit traffic to competitors.
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Probably to late for mainstream now...they have fucked away millions and a fantastic opportunity for success.IDIOTS
Nathaniel

The Man Who Saw Tomorrow with orsen Wells about Nostradamus' predictions. I'll be eager to hear the quatrains about New York and WWIII. We talked about this show on the board.
__________________________________

i watched that when i was about 10 years old. scared the shit out of me. i began going to the fourth grade with a "whats the point" attitude.

justreading

My best guesses ...

>>> Who owned the first "top list"?
I'd say either Cliffie or Adult Origin. I think Colin or Fold would know the correct answer.

>>>> Who owned the first "pic post"?
>> Bob from UK with picturepost.com ?
Is Bob also known as Bobajob? If so, then yeah, I think it was either him or DJ-JD.

>> Who owned the first "TGP"?
Hmmm. If one is not counting the actual usage of the name "TGP" but its basic functionality, then I'd say The Hun. If one is counting the actual usage of the name "TGP", then probably Adult Buffet.

>>> What was the biggest innovation in the entire porn business?
So many to list as possibilities as "the biggest" ... but I see one biggie not yet mentioned and which mainstream still doesn't get: Sending exit traffic to competitors.

Dravyk All Of 'Em

Flipping throughtheboobtube and saw that the History channel is showing The Man Who Saw Tomorrow with orsen Wells about Nostradamus' predictions. I'll be eager to hear the quatrains about New York and WWIII. We talked about this show on the board.


TheEnforcer Nostradamus predicts you'll make a SHITLOAD of money if you click here!!

Belfort looks like an animal...Wtf Tito looks like a crazy fuck,be fun to hang with.
Nathaniel

Anybody else get the email from CE?

Is this the same leslie that was with igallery?

If so... i just don't get it.
Hooper

Tito won, but it was a boring fight.
Mike AI Make your picks, and win an exclusive Nuke a Terrorist shirt!

tito ortiz vs vitor belfort.Should be good :)
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Gotta luv the UFC/Tito doesn't look like a light-heavy...Results on tonights match???
Nathaniel

"TGP's-This business has never been better since they showed up and taught us all how to make the surfer cum all over his keyboard."
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Sometimes I think folks dont know how their bread is buttered;))Moose my friend anything that is responcible for saturating a market and devaluing that markets currency,in this case clicks, CANT be good for Business...hence the push for TGP Lite with TGP2;))


Yup I'm pretty sure Cliffie was the first;))
JohnIP

RE: Who owned the first "top list"?

If i am not mistaken it was Cliffy's top 50, and than Ynot top 50..and than the rest..
Ynot i am not sure..but cliffy's is the first i could remmember :)))
$tanDaMan SexCounter

Agreed mutt.. we need to isolate what exactly the scope of the discussion is.

I mean.. the question itself didn't even specify "internet porn".. just "porn".. so i'd actually have to vote for "film" or "vhs" in that case.

If we are going beyond the basics i'd say that spam was the biggest innovation.
Hooper The 2nd biggest innovation

Without the vagina there is nothing.
====================================

except gay and tranny sites?
;)))
SykkBoy it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock and roll

I think TGPs were one of the biggest innovations.This business has never been better since they showed up and taught us all how to make the surfer cum all over his keyboard.
Moose

hmmmmmmm.........i think the poll should be more about the traffic game/competition amongst webmasters.
Cuz if u open it up to everything of course recurrent billing and the ability to process credit cards online will win......and if you go further then you have to consider JPG's and MPG's and then streaming video, webcams............which ultimately leads you to the greatest innovation of all time is the VAGINA!

Without the vagina there is nothing.
mutt

Cookies


Cleo

And it's quite possible that the biggest innovation in the history of the Adult Net is the one which will destroy it........... P2P File Sharing.


mutt

Oops Mutt, was typing at the same time you were ;)
SykkBoy

hmmm, Mutt,
maybe a few additions:
recur billing
shaving (while looked down upon for obvious reasons, it was innovative...unless we're only looking for positive innovations)
third-party billing


SykkBoy it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock and roll

CC Processing and Recurring Billing were left off because they are a given, without them no innovations would mean squat. I was thinking of leaving Click Thru proggies off too.
mutt

Hooper ...
Did AOL have recurring first?


Vick Sone Very soon ;-)

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What was the biggest innovation in the entire porn business?
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Recurring Billing... DUH!
Hooper The 2nd biggest innovation