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Grimm I read that article, and find that as good news. They are making it easier to find the scud missles and bomb them. These guys have no idea how to fight a war, or what could possibly come from the US and our allies.

The Talban does not even have control of their own country - what can of offensive could they really mount? I imagine they probably have wrecked their airforce, and commerical planes.

Mike AI This place is rocking!!

Had MikeW sustained a personal loss
do you think he would have opted
to enter this image for the contest
caption?
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Personal loss? All Americans suffered a personal loss. To our freedom. Think about it. Who hasn't thought twice of taking a plane? Or, I'm sad to even mention, look at people with preconceived notions due to their race or religon? I was one of those, till I was reminded by Nick of WWII internment camps. Hatred and revenge made me overlook. That to me, I consider an almost personal loss.

Lves were lost, but they struck deeper than that. I don't expect you to see it Lee, all you care about is your agenda.

MikeW, Yer pic made me bust out laughing, thanks for it.
AAA

Pakisani delegation into aghanistan must not have gone well..

KHYBER PASS, Pakistan (Reuters) - Afghanistan (news - web sites)'s Taliban rulers have moved a large arsenal of weapons, including Russian Scud missiles, to positions near the border with Pakistan, a Pakistani army officer said Monday.

``We are already prepared, we are ready to defend the motherland,'' Captain Abid Bahtti told reporters, speaking at an army checkpoint just 2.5 km (one mile) from the border with Afghanistan. ``The Pakistan border is very secure.''

Asked if the situation was warlike, Bahtti said: ''Definitely, but it is not a declared war.''

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Mike AI This place is rocking!!

Melody one of my friends actually sent me the same quote, that is a great one!

Mike AI Some new things coming VERY soon..... like in a few minutes maybe...

Anyone in the Philly/New York area:

I may need some volunteers in the next few days. As some of you may know me, I just opened a new company called www.autoskins.com

One of my clients who is a large cell phone company was called to set up a mobile communication center for the workers at the WTC to use and have a place to sit down and call a loved one.

We are bringing up a Winnebego with phones and will just need people to hang out and make sure everything goes cool.

If your interested, just drop me an email and I will put you down.

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Thanks,

Jason
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Mikey, how about the old, worn (but still true) Edmund Burke quote:

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

I LOVE the Uncle Serge thing! Humor is a great healer.

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That is a good one Mutt!!

Jman I sent you off an e-mail.
Mike AI Some new things coming VERY soon..... like in a few minutes maybe...

ok how about UNCLE SAM WANTS YOU! for the Tshirt.
mutt

Can I get some comments Good or Bad about the Proggie on the Link..

spam me

Forest Great New Webmaster Proggie

Mike AI,

Send me an email where I can send you a l'ill something i had in mind ;-)
JMan Come and get all the tension out...

Jman, I am glad to see you do not see eye to eye with your fellow citizens. I imagine that proves there is too much french influence in that area.

Mike AI Some new things coming VERY soon..... like in a few minutes maybe...

MikeAI,

PLease make sure to send some t-shirts down my way so I can get people in Montreal Talking ;-))

Over 75% of Quebecois are against US stricking back.... What bunch of fucking ostriches, I'm not to proud of my Province today :-(.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

JMan Come and get all the tension out...

Mike W, I am with you! In no way at all do I think the photo you made hurts any of the victems of their families. Infact some of them would probably find it amusing.

Life goes on for the living, I think the culture of politically correctness needs to be beaten down...

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

BTW
I think the picture of Serge is Fucking Funny!!!
But, I shoot some BIZARRE SHIT sometimes. >;-)))
DAMNMAN ZMASTER

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1 Plane ticket to Afganistan (Yeah Right!!!)
1 Bad MF to fire at Bin Ladens Head for a KILL $5,000,000 (Reward)
Bin Ladens Brains coming out of his ASS. PRICELESS!!!!

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re:"Had MikeW sustained a personal loss do you think he would have opted to enter this image for the contest caption?

Doubt it."

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Well I guess you don't know me that well then Ms Lee ... because I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I would. Perhaps I would even come up with something more twisted and diabolical that the the first picture ... my loved ones would want it that way .. I guarantee it.

MikeW See Serge's Revenge Here!

lol I was thinking that very thing after I hit submit.

voodooman

Mike,

when I say there is no problem with fulfillments, trust me:) we ship hundreds and hundreds of packages out of here a day... We have Dedicated fedex computers, USPS computers, np.. We will donated the labor, packaging, etc. You just take care of getting the shirts made, and send them to me, I will setup a store online, etc. I really think it might be a hit..
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hehehe Voodooman I love that one... thing is would most people understand it?

I think we need something that is rousing, and easily understood by the masses - including the people who do not understand about weapons.

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

For all the pay site owners, put an ad on your tours, signup for a 3month, 6 month, etc, and get a free Tshirt??

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Todd it is definately an intreaguing idea. The shirts we sold during the Gulf War we did well with, we sold out of them in a week.

Fufillment is a pain in the butt, and I don;t have the staff for it - but if its something you guys can handle, I am sure we might be able to do something.

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

MikeAI

How about,
671 Grains of Diplomacy?
voodooman

Don't think the image is offensive
for the caption contest, I just
think some of the submitted
captions may be disrespectful -

What fun can a contest be when
one has to wonder if they are
offensive entering a caption
given the events of last week

Isn't the point of a contest to
be fun...

Using this current image was not
the best choice given the emotional
level and sensitivity to those that
lost a loved one or friends in the
trajedy--

Had MikeW sustained a personal loss
do you think he would have opted
to enter this image for the contest
caption?

Doubt it.
Lee Noga

Mike,

np around here, we do fullfilment all the time. I have the ppl to pack and ship, I think if most of the shirts and or hats, were not to X-rated:), they would be a winner, and mabey get some press coverage??
For a good cause you know
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HEHE Forest short and sweet, but I want something that will not necessarily get people ticked off at me for wearing it! haha Plus I want something that anyone can wear, in any place.

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

>>> I got your emails and responded but got a bounce back on them,

Toolz, if isn't you then it's me huh? hehe Ain't the Net just "grand" sometimes?

Ok, I'm phone meetings until about 6pm. Will call you after that, or if we miss each other, then definitely tomorrow, bro.

Woohoo, just saw this! Your quote got the most votes

>>> Congrats Dravyk!!

Awesome!! Thanks, Ed. Will hit you up later.

Whoa, this week's caption's gonna be a tough one! LMAO! Ok, back to work with me.

Dravyk Raking in the cash with TGP2 Bucks!

Why not 'AMERICA'S MOST WANTED' under the pic of Bin Laben in the cross hairs?

mutt

You know Todd that is a good idea, I was just making them to give to friends, my employees, and my family.

Maybe give some out to contest winners for Oprano or something.

Problem with selling, is packaging and shipping :-( IT is work! haha

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

Mike ai...

just put on the shirt

Fuck You!
Forest

speaking of T-shirts...

MikeAI - Crystal was wondering if you could send her a large.. lol. she loves the XXL oprano you sent.. but it's way too large for her! ahah..
sharky Learn To Make Your Own FPA's

MikeAi,

if you really do get some shirts made, I will setup a store ASAP, handle the shipping and processing, and we can donate all profits to the Fireman's fund or whatever.....

If the shirt proceeds go to charity, I see nothing wrong with that:)
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I do think the photo is funny, in a shocking kind of way. It is even funnier since we all know and love Serge.

The photo also does not take away from the people and victems of these attacks.

I am making some t-shirts, I am trying to find the perfect slogan for the back of it. Bascily the photo will be bin-laden with a cross hair on him.

So far teh slogans I have are:

1) If you run, you will only die tired.
2) Something from Pulp Fiction "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity
and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down
upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord
when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

Which of course is too long for a t-shirt, though a shortened version could be good...

Anyone else have ideas for the slogan for this t-shirt??

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

Hey guys.. I'm all for making fun of bin Laden and boosting the moral around here...

The picture is funny, I'll admit that.. would have been even funnier with bin ladens face on a goat while Serge fucks it! haha..

sharky Learn To Make Your Own FPA's

MikeW,

Well at least on the pic it looks like Serge is Practicing Safe Sex by wearing a condom:)
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re: "Damn.. I'm controvercy.... "
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No not really your comment Sharky, but I had some rather sharp comments come my way over ICQ from other people who were appearently disturbed by that image, so thats why I posted my opinion about it.
MikeW See Serge's Revenge Here!

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Mutt I have to agree with you on the http://opranoplus.com peice.

During the start of Desert Storm, my roommates and I ( I was in undergrad) designed and printed t-shirts which have Uncle Sam, bedning Sadam Hussein over - sodomozing him - while waving th V for victory sign. on top it had Fuq Iraq, and on the front of the shirt we had "make love, not war"

The shirt represnted many things - I dug out one of the origninals I saved and wore it to Houston.

10 years ago, I would have people come bad pat me on the back and talk about it. The main reason I wanted to be contraversial 10 year ago was to confront the liberal, hippie students who were protesting and chanting " No blood for oil"... I was trying to get them to say something to me.... never did happen.

Right now HiRise/Oprano is designing a similiar shirt which will be pro USA, anti Bin Laden... I will be proud to wear it!

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

Damn.. I'm controvercy....

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Wow I never thought that pic would cause such a stir ... I guess I just have a twisted sense of humor?? because personally I find it hilarious ... especially given the situation at hand, knowing Serge's sense of humor and reputation, and realizing that everyone is trying to return to NORMAL today and get back into the swing of things I was hoping that pic might make people laugh and help take their minds of all the dread of the past week.

But, I guess it was bound to offend some people, even in this biz ... but oh well, if you don't like it, don't look at it ...

... GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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mutt

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Been a long summer to prepare this bad boy with my video company friends...email for a peep at the quality of the feed :-)

Yup, Lee is back into content with a vengeance :-)) You all know my work, need I say more ??

Lee Noga

Ewwww,
I am glad to say you will not find content like that at Adult Content News. Wheww glad for that
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http://www.oprano.com/picture05.html

I would like to thank MikeW for the fine graphics work on this photo...

A photo sometimes indeed can be worth 1,000 words - and can be theraputic as well.

Mike AI Serge gets his revenge....

Man, down here we'd call that

NAY-STY!!! ;-))))
geeky

Obscenity has been defined.
That's just nasty as hell.

;-)
dokk The Webmaster Calendar

http://www.oprano.com/caption.html

Sheesh! Every time I look at that picture my gag reflex kicks in and I feel I'm going to vom.

I don't know who to feel more sorry for...
Edd (Sneaky Ninja Webmaster)

Forest Bin Laden' fate has already been decided!

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Mike AI Serges secret mission.....

As many of you know Serge has been in the middle east, first in Turkey - but now I can report he was on a secret mission to Afganistan.

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Well now the secret mission can be reveiled, and NOW you can make the caption to go along with the photos!

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Serge is striking back for all Americans!

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Bin Laden�s fate left up to clerics

Forest

Sykk,

Arkoff was a genius. So many people entertained over his looong career. If we only had pictures like Dr. Phibes these days.
geeky

OpranoPlus is also back in business.
Our lives are filled with trivial things and pleasures, that's what makes living in a democratic and affluent country so great. I will have the NFL Pickem Challenge updated to make picks for Week Two tonight.
Also have a new regular feature on OpranoPlus to announce later.........PLUS the greatest Caption Contest in the history of Caption Contests!

http://www.opranoplus.com

mutt

Wow, another spot of bad news...B-movie producer extraordinaire Samuel Arkoff (most notably of AIP Pictures) died today.

Arkoff produced some of the best sci-fi, cheesy b-movies, beach movies, blaxploitation movies, and horror movies of all time. He was responsible for "Amityville Horror", "The Abominable Dr. Phibes", "Last House On The Left " (he picked up the distribution rights when no one else would and gave birth to Wes Craven ("The Nightmare On Elm Street" series) and Sean Cunningham's ("Friday The 13th" series") careers), "Beach Blanket Bingo", "The Amazing Collasus Man", "Blacula", etc.

While not as tragic as the events of this past week (he did live to the ripe old age of 87) it is a sad time for movie geeks as producers of his nature are no longer a part of Hollywood.
SykkBoy

OK - stock market grus.... I put $30,000 in mutuals & bonds last week - looking for some stocks to buy this morning. Found slots to be a bad investment when the casinos are empty - so certainly couldn't lose more in the markets :-)

Sharpie

It's very good to see that the market has stabilized. It's encouraging in that we've withstood the crisis financially if the markets don't eat shit because of it.

I only hope that as an industry we can resume with the same resolve & fervor.
Hooper Back To Work Today.

News Networks are back to running commercials....

I am impressed almost an entire week of no commercials.

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Melody my Granny has similiar issues with the Red Cross - when I was going to send a check, she got on me - so I sent it to Salvation Army instead.

Guess some people had some bad experiences with Red Cross.

Mike AI

some funny pics from over the years;-)

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red! this part is beautiful! there have been so few happy stories the last few days, every one helps ...

>He unleashed the dog to let it escape, but with glass falling around them, the animal led him to an emergency exit and stayed by his side as a crowd of people descended the stairs to escape the building which collapsed soon afterward.

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator')

Flash,

They were expecting this sell off early in the day today. They are expecting a rally this afternoon as several large corporations are planning on buying their own stock back as well as wealthy opportunists taking advantage of the large percentage of stock drops....playing your money wisely there will be some deals to be had.

Magick Time to get back to work...and to life...

Morning Everyone. What a weekend. Had some damage from the Tropical Storm, now gotta wait on insurance company and contractors to come out and give estimates, called at 8:30 this morning and they are already backed up 2-4 weeks. Hope anyone else in the area made it out ok without any damage.
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Here's another fur hero.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010914/od/colombia_dc_1.html

Red

Oh yes I agree Ed. I have seen the new Caption Contest and it is something special. I expect a record
turnout for it.

mutt

cj, yeah eyes burning too......... i didn't hear about the dogs being depressed about not finding anybody.... i believe it. They KNOW alot more than people think. Dogs, smart ones anyways, they say are about on the same intellectual level as a four year old human. But they grasp certain things more than a four year old, like danger and maybe
grief.

So when you see a dog sleeping all day long, remember, he/she is only conserving energy so he will be ready and prepared to launch into action when she is needed :)

Also learned something I have never heard about, they are using trained cats in the rescue. Never heard of trained police cats. My guess is they are working as grief counsellors.
mutt

Well the competition was fierce and it was a close call, but the caption contest has a WINNER!! Congrats Dravyk!! Your quote got the most votes - and you one by ONE vote! You win the free month of content from Superpics AND an Oprano Tshirt! You lucky Devil!!

Coming up next in the caption contest is a real treat - you folks have NEVER seen anything like this before - I promise! Stay tuned to Oprano for a "special announcement" and all the details from MikeAI later today!
Edd (Sneaky Ninja Webmaster)

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Can you send me an email with the specs for the AVS design you "won" at the auction?

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mutt, not only are the dogs getting cut feet and so on, their eyes are also getting burned from the dust and debris just like the human hero's. I also read somewhere mention of depressed dogs - these dogs are trained to find humans, when they do their job they need reward - in a scenario as desperate as the rescue sight, the dog's aren't fooled by a meat treat. they know that even though they did their job, everyone still isn't happy :-(
I saw a pic the other day that I can't find (how many news pages in the history?!?) its of one of the dogs and his police man asleep together on their break. does anyone know where that pic is?

cj (nipple pink 'vaginator')

Damn, NYSE down 600 points since it opened.

Not looking too good so far :(
Flash

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Forest

Dogs rule! They are in NYC working side by side with man to the point of exhaustion at great risk. God knows if they really have a clue what's going on but being a dog lover they do understand despair and recognize trouble and will sacrifice to help. These dogs in NYC are sent in to find bodies and check things out before the humans go in, they are falling through the debris and their paws even with doggie boots are getting shredded from the sharp steel and glass.

Give your dog a hug and a rawhide bone today!

woof woof!
mutt

Webdad, point taken. My father-in-law served in WWII, as part of the cleanup crew in liberated Germany, and he always *hated* the Red Cross. He said they (poor foot soldiers...the janitors of the military) were sold goods by the Red Cross(albeit at a slight discount), whereas the Salvation Army *gave* everything to them.

Then again, I guess if any organization is trying to help, then they are trying to help, so tis good. The Firefighters' Fund seems to be a more immediate need, though, since those fallen brave souls were also fathers and husbands, and their families are now faced with not only emotional wreckage but an uncertain financial future as well.

And then there are the families of those poor, poor people... Every one of their stories is so damned sad. I'd suggest Osama been Lyin be tied to a chair and forced to watch their pain, but the soulless bastard wouldn't care anyway.

Anyone see Khadafy this morning denouncing the bombing and saying the US had the right to protect its interests? Things that make you go hmmmmm.

kk, well said, I agree with Todd. Robertson is definitely of the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging moronic variety, too.

No more running my mouth today. Have a good one, Opranists.

Melody

Dravyk,

I got your emails and responded but got a bounce back on them, lmk if you've got anything other than dravyk at allofem for an email address. Better yet you can just ring up the office if you'd like: 616-552-9999

Toolz ARS

With everyone taking this time to beg for money it DISGUSTS me and I'll tell you why.

Like the American Red Cross that take every opportunity at disasters. The American Red Cross are the WORST offenders. They provide just the bare minimum services to fool folks into giving money that they WASTE on "Administration costs" and seldom given to the victims. I HATE those type folks!

On the otherhand.....There were firemen (The TRUE heros) on the corner yesterday with their hats in hand. I stopped at the light and called one over. I threw in $100 and watched his face light up. It felt good and I KNOW it would go to the VICTIMS and not to line the pocket of some asshole.

I URGE everyone wanting to raise and donate money to help the victims.......donate to the right causes and not to those that ABUSE their power. MOST are abusers. DON'T BE FOOLED!!

Webfather

serge I am not anti israel just surprised people are sending out policital / anti israel spam I had to terminate some guy on freewebsites this week who spammed his site to all usenet:

>> I have put up a small site to show my compation for the people that lost friends and family in the recent bombings in the states. Please help me now to spread the word. I have a small banner on the site that you either can link to or download it and put it up at your own site.

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KK,
Well Said!!!!

:)

sextoyking

Falwell :(

What a moron.
KK

Hooper, how do you know the guy isn't donating the funds to the Firefighters' Widows and Orphans fund or something?

I agree, Mike, the only difference of opinion I'd have is that the problem is fundamentalism of any sort - change the subject nouns in speeches by the Taleban, Jerry Falwellian and Pat Robertshit, and the Council of Material Physicists Against Anthropics, and you'd have a hard time telling them apart.

As for the European "allies", just read some mild backpedaling by some of them. The only one, as ever, sticking solidly by our side is the only one that ever really does, god bless her.

They're worried about our creating "thousands of bin Ladens" -don't they realize that 9/11/01 already did that? Caution and consideration will be taken...we're not just sedulous apes over here (well, none of us not members of the bar). Nobody wants these morons starting nuclear freebasing or something, but if we don't do something, the next hit will be an airborne anthrax assault, and we'll have a million dead.

Where the hell is Winston Churchill when you need him? (I know, he has a valid excuse to be absent)

Melody

Despite how creative that is, it's still scummy to try and make money off of the situation.

So.. mr RM Bin... FUCK OFF!
Hooper

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=wtc2001
RM BIN http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=wtc2001

Another good graphic....

http://www.mrcranky.com/special/big_mistake.gif
Mike AI

Something I'm wondering, Not being privy to preparations for war
(and I think the press should back off a little)
Why are we (the USA) not enlisting more Muslim nations?
We have Turkey as a NATO member and ally and as long as we can muster support from other Muslim nations a Holy War can be prevented
We have persuaded Pakistan into aiding us

We will have to prop Turkey up economically
" On Friday the World Bank signed an agreement with Turkey for a $500 million loan to ease the effects of the crisis on low-income Turks. But Turkey's plans to ask for more cash from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank - on top of $15.7 billion in recovery loans already promised - are now in doubt."

Really the only people who care about France are the French

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010916/pl/attacks_diplomacy_39.html
The choice for Taliban, Colin Powell said, is ``either help us rip them up'' or suffer ``the full wrath of the United States and other countries.''

Vick

About the mystery object in the WTC video.. sure looks fake to me. I think I have seen that video a million times in the past week and this is the first time I have seen that on there. Watch the shadow on the smoke and then watch the object come out from behind the other tower.. the angles look all wrong. .
For your viewing pleasure here is another UFO that was spotted flying around the tornado the destroyed muc of the town I live in back in May '99. All three local channels caught footage of it so there was no chance of it being a fake. http://kwtv.newsok.com/wx/video/flying2.avi Amazing what people can do with desktop SFX programs now..
Or it could have just been a stray missle..who knows? :)
Zebra

WTG Webfather! Seems you wrote the correct guy! :-)) Although I'm sure the one is going to have some interesting mail Monday morning. :-) Excellent!!

>>> I just heard he was having second thoughts!! Some ally!

You mean the same French who refused to allow us fly-over access to save our hostages? Those French? Gee, what a freaking shock. Not. Most on grateful bast... Um, Better not get me started ...

>>> The government has asked for less restrictions in applying wire taps to suspected terrorists - The ACLU has immeadiatly challanged this request.

One difference between the American people and the ACLU is our moods switch. I think most Americans are in this State of War we are now in, and we are in one, willing to give up certain "liberties" in the pursuit of the common good. The ACLU by this and by the earlier mentioned restrictions on airport security, are not.

Sometimes I agree with the ACLU. Sometims I do not. I will say one thing for them, for good or bad, they do not break, they do not bend from their stance.

>>> Public stances are not always private opinions

True, Mel. And as we know from both our country's past leaders and the rulers of other country's present and past ... the will of a government is not the will of the people. I remember how Russians (the people) liked Americans and wanted blue jeans and Madonna records during the latter end of the Cold War as just one example.

Dravyk

Peaches some more http://drudgereport.com/flash91.htm

Melody you are right about the French and the Middle East, I guess they have never gotten over the moor invasions. Bottom line French only look out for themselves - PERIOD.

Russia and the Unites States, and very soon the resat of the world will be in a way against Islamic Fundematalism... it is a huge threat.

Mike AI

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34238,00.html

watch the video

under east-angle second plane hits tower
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OK, I've watched that damn thing 3 times - WTF?! It's headed straight down and if it's anywhere near where the plane that hit the 2nd tower, it's just as big as the plane, which would rule it out as a missle?!......Very, very odd.....
Peaches

The French have very old ties to the middle east. They're having to dance a delicate somba right now. They'll also be a valuable intelligence conduit because of that. Public stances are not always private opinions.

The US itself has clucked its tongue about Chechnya, but we've been aiding the Russians with intelligence for quite awhile, simply because bin Laden is behind that mess, too.

Way to go, Webdad!!!

BTW, I don't think the moron count is *that* high, more like in the high millions (before Tuesday, I'd have added sarcastically, "not counting Congress").

Melody

The Bad News Bears could roll over the French in a day. An American bicyclist with one nut off his death bed beats them at their national sport. F em.

mutt

I would rather have the french in word than deed. Theya re like a silent partner, just let them sign off on it and stand back.

grimm FSN

Mike...it is weird, could be a fake. but it looks like a missile of some sort. but i dont thik fighter planes were anywhere near the scene, fom all reports they were 70 miles away when the second plane hit..
grimm FSN

Watching CNN I had to throw this out

The government has asked for less restrictions in applying wire taps to suspected terrorists - The ACLU has immeadiatly challanged this request.

I don't actually believe that the government is not taping any conversation they want to. They just tell us they can't.

Jeff

French President Jacques Chirac.....

I just heard he was having second thoughts!! Some ally!

Webfather

From the CNN site: "French President Jacques Chirac, who is not always foremost in his praise of all
things American, told CNN: �When it comes to punishing this murderous folly, France will be at the side
of the United States.�
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Fastest way to piss off the French, kill a French National. France also lost people in the WTC. They'll be there for us. I'd bet a lot of them are having bad flashbacks to WWII after seeing all the images coming out of NY.

Taz

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