Ok Vick & Alex - you can speak for me. You know I am an optimst, can't resist a new challenge, and I am veryyyy stubborn! I will do my part and be there - they have to do the rest... hahaha
Sharpie

Heya Damnman,

Had a nice phone conversation with Shannon today. Sounds like you guys have some exciting stuff coming out. Good luck with it.

That letter for some reason touches me more than the others I've received today as it was very heartfelt (not that the others weren't so I'm not dimishing the impact of them) but here's someone in Germany showing an appreciate and expression of condolence...
I must also say, it's amazing the number of emails today from companies expressing condolences is touching and shows that behind these corporations are actual people who feel just as the rest of us do...
SykkBoy

Webfather, my opinion is that america needs to get back to work and get back to doing what america does best: Being free and maintaining a solidarity not found anywhere else.

Getting the airports open - getting SOME flights to go from point to point will reclaim the skies. They need to be secure - and they need to be opened.

I think Fay has the right idea - stick out your chin and get back to it.

:-)

Alex
RawAlex submit a site... :-)

I got this email from unknown persons from Germany.

It describes the feelings of at least a few of the German people.
It was in German and English, I post only the English.

Ladies and gentlemen,


after a time of the silence, after the inconceivable has
entered, we look for a way, a reaction; and find no
possibility, which is actually appropriate.

Please excuse our bad English.


We do not speak your language unfortunately very well, however
we feel and suffer with your nation, with the sacrifices and
the relative of this inconceivable crime.


We are simple persons, who live in Germany, however is it us a
need, you, the United States of America, your citizens, the
person affected and relative, your people, to express our
sympathy.


His ugly grimace and it showed the blast dared, to explain
freedom, right and order the war.


Now it is time for answers.


Our answers are the prayers for your nation, your citizens and
the free world.


More is not in our force.


But we would like to strengthen and encourage you and your
large nation therein, which to hunt blasts and to cancel by
the countenance of this earth.


We pray for you, that you find the power, to find with all
decisiveness the blast and to punish mercilessly.


This war was explained not only your nation, but each
individual person, in freedom, right, order and civilization.


So we find also ourselves in the state of war. On your side.
Our prayers accompany you and your nation.


God protect you.


Helga and Peter
DAMNMAN ZMASTER

Koko, not so much Vegas itself as the Hoover Dam....a plane crashing into the dam puts Vegas under water...

Toolz, also remember though that Las Vegas has a large Air Force base there too as well as the Nevada Testing Site (even though it's now shut down)...so it is a highly thought about target I'm sure...
but I'm sure the international aspect carries weight as a reason not to attack...
SykkBoy

WebFather
This is one of the few times I have to respectfully disagree with you
I think Fay has to go tomorrow (Sharpie, please understand I am in no way trying to speak for you)
To show no matter what, our way of life will not be changed
WF, you're most likely correct (and trying to save Fay a headache) and the flight will be problematic if at all
But we have to hold our heads up and go on


My family has a Disney trip planned for 10 days from now
Don't know how we will go and have the "Disney" experience
But we have to
Even my 2 month old son has a job right now
That's to bring smiles to everyone through these trying and troublesome times
His Grandfather really appreciated (and needed) that yesterday


Vick

Webfather, I will certainly be calling before I leave home. I really don't have a week to lose. (This is not a pleasure trip) I would not even consider it, if there were a lot of complications to the flight.

Indy has passed the new standards & is open, waiting for other airports to open so they can start moving. (possibly around midnight?) The flight is nonstop & does originate in Indy. (The plane is there.) If Vegas opens - it will probably go...sometime. I hope you are not clairvoint :-)

Sharpie

Bahahaha

"Rumors were flying around that Vegas was to become the next target.. "

All those hotels and casinos carry such international import, much better than taking out government or communications hubs.

Toolz

Got home late last night from Vegas, all the shops were closed, packaging convention I was there for was canceled. Took a Taxi home from Vegas to LA... no rent a cars, limos were all booked, no buses etc...
Rumors were flying around that Vegas was to become the next target..


KoKo

Sharpie, stay at home and don't waste your time. Re-schedule for next week. Your plane will probably not even take off and you will probably just be stranded at the airport for 24-48 hours or just sent home.

Adventure? I doubt it. And I doubt you will be pasting from Vegas tomorrow. :-(


Webfather

Drav,

Didn't get the email last week, send it to smtooley @ i2intl.com

All is working smoothly again.

Toolz

Wow, just drove ovr to Bullhead City (a smallish redneck type town) and flags flying everywhere, fast food resteraunts, stores, and even alongside the road at every lightpole...a flag everywhere...you can't buy flags in the stores as they are running out...amazing...I just wish we held this kind of patriotism every day rather than just after a tragedy such as yesertdays...maybe not a flag every 10 feet, but this sense of country pride...if only it could be everyday...maybe this will actually start that trend...

Also, the bloodbanks here are booked until at least September 17th, but since I'm a rare bloodtype, they may be able to get me in sooner, but even then, I'm looking at another 2-3 days....folks, remember, these blood banks need your donations ALL THE TIME, not just in moments of tragedy such as these...if anything good comes from this tragedy it'll be an awareness of the how much freedom we actually do have and the need for donation of not only blood, but clothing, blankets and food.


SykkBoy

Well, I fly to Vegas tomorrow at noon (well maybe) so we will definiately be subjected to all of these new restrictions. (We will definiately be leaving our box cutter home)

Indy has passed the new safety standards and our flight is still on, but Vegas is still not open yet, but hopefully will be soon. I am looking at it as "an adventure" and planning on being at the airport 2 hours in advance with both drivers license & pocket size birth certificate. Will give you blow by blow story tomorrow night.

Sharpie

Melody, oh I wish we had those phasers. Then again we'd have shields too. Boy we could use those! :-)))

Dravyk

>>> One of the best things this could force is security personel to be trained and competent in the future though as I heard airports wanted the FAA to take over this job.

Toolz, that Israeli expert also said basically "they take some people with no background in this area, give them maybe two hours of training, and then pay them $7 an hour to do searches, look for suspicious passengers and stare at x-ray scanners ... What do you expect is going to happen?!"

Btw Toolz, is your email working now or do you have an alternate? Sent you a couple of items the other week, didn't hear back on one and the other bounced. (You might have answered this on a board before; if so, my fault as I apparently missed the reply.) Thanks.

Dravyk

Dravyk, the system Heathrow uses would surely be enough. It's very strict and very careful, and requires arrival three hours early for most international travel.

I was joking about the phasers, of course, but I should think tasers would be standard equipment in such cases.

Melody

Ulfie,

Those new airport guidelines are nutz. Especially for me, one of the guys who likes to get there 30 minutes before take-off, do the curbside check in, waltz through security and get on the plane.

Hopefully as Peaches said these are temporary restrictions placed on air travel. One of the best things this could force is security personel to be trained and competent in the future though as I heard airports wanted the FAA to take over this job.

Toolz

Damn! Here's one I hadn't seen before ... Photo of the year??

http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews

Dravyk

>>> Airlines in Israel has steal doors and cabins. Pilots do not open it for anything. If something happens, they land the plane immedietly and let people on the ground handle the problem.

I agree. Before this the rule was, give in to the hijacker, they just want to take the plane somewhere and land. It was the safest thing for the crew and passengers.

Obviously, after this, that rule is going to HAVE to change to pilots open leave the door sealed no matter what.

Also like the idea of tranquilizer guns and tasers (in lieu of phasers) for Sky Rangers.

As for passenger delays, on the McNeil-minus-Lair Hour tonight some idiot said it could take five hours, and everyone agreed passengers would not fly if that was the case. They also had on the former head of Al El security who said passengers arriving to an airport two hours before a plane is to leave is more than enough time to adequately do checks.

Dravyk

Here is a stark comparison of the NY skyline...quite a photo:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20010912/us/1000331244terrorist_attacks_ny194.html

For a jump on news stories, try the Associated Press and Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com

http://www.ap.org


Magick

The problem, IMHO, of the new guidelines is that some are too strict to keep in effect for long. They'll start easing up on them due to consumer complaints and when we have our guard down again is when we're the most vulnerable. I personally don't think there's going to be another strike anytime soon with all the increased security across the US. I think that's why they did so many hits all at once - had they spaced them, we (America) would have had time to prepare. Now they're sitting back enjoying the chaos. I would rather see a long term solution such as training the freaking security people. That's by far one of the MAIN leaks we have, at least in Atlanta. For years there have been pathetic horror stories.




Peaches

Interesting that many of us use FedEx on a daily basis.

http://fedex.com/us/
Mike AI

Personally, if I was a pilot I wouldn't feel my job was to be a security gaurd as well.

Here are the new guidelines for air travel (note the last one):

.
The reopened airports will have several new security procedures in place. According to transportation, airport and airline officials, they include:
Thorough searches of all planes and airports
No curbside check-ins, nor check-ins at hotels and other off-airport sites.
Allowing only passengers to pass through security checkpoints to gates.
A ban on all knives and other cutting instruments, including plastic.
Uniformed police patrolling airports.
Searches of flight crews, service personnel and vendors.
Checks of passengers, using hand-held metal detectors.
Armed sky marshals aboard airplanes.

Full story here:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/627736_asp.htm

Ulfie

Shok Peaches Loves IDS Cellular

*************************

LOL - sure I do..."What's the catch? Can I get a phone on Planet Zeus? I owe everyone and have terrible credit - SEND ME A FREE PHONE!" :)

I can't figure out this damn ICQ. The kid's coming home this weekend - I'll have him set it up for me. And show me how to make the TV work off the antenna when the dish goes out. And how to record something on the VCR. And change the lightbulbs on the overhead fixtures. I probably shouldn't have sent him to college ;)
Peaches

Heather, I'm afraid Steve Cohen 's droning voice would run afowl of the Geneva Convention.

I like the darts idea...altho phasers would be cool, too. Set to stun, of course.

My hub's Muslim Iranian-American buddy Haile suggests that we tape the voice of a Persian/Arabic mother-in-law and thereby render them paralyzed with terror.

Seriously, Mike's comment about El Al has a lot of merit, although there would need to be a guard presence to protect the passengers, too.

Still, remember, there have been 12 major attempts at terrorists acts against the US...this one succeeded, but the others didn't. Maybe a few extra precautions is all that is needed, though that would be small comfort to those poor souls in the buildings and planes.


Melody

be the FAA should look to Adult Webmasters for ideas on air safety
----

but then prices would go way up & the passengers would never be able to get out of the plane ;-)))

lmao... i like your idea heather ;-)))


Hooper

Mike, PattyCake, Todd and EVERYONE who has already sent us e-mail.

Thanks for the support! We'll have full details tomorrow....




Ken Charity Auction for America

Why waste all that money on gas, Hooper? Just pipe in Muzac, or better yet, ever heard Steve Cohen talk for a while?
heather

Awesome ideas...

Maybe the FAA should look to Adult Webmasters for ideas on air safety.

;-)


Magick

How bout some kind of knockout gas that the pilots can release into the cabin if they want to?

Can't really hijack when you're sleeping ;-))
Hooper

Is it just me or has email spam actually increased since yesterday? Maybe someone should take the elephant tranquilizers to them.

Unfreakingreal.
heather

thats why those tranquilizer darts would be great -- after all if you can take an elephant down in 20 seconds or less, it would surely work for crazy passengers --
KK

Having been to Israel I can say the security on El Al is superior.
Brad Shaw

Well, we can't have too much shooting going on in any airplane, because that would take it down as fast as a bomb at various elevations, if the outter hull was damaged.

I think a stun gun or some kind of knock-their-asses-out-for-hours device would be a good idea.

Melody

Shok, someone on one of my alternative news sites I read...which is why they call it "alternative" news. :-)

Melody

Heres an idea

to prevent terrorists from getting into ccockpits, make the only door to the ccockpit accessable only from the outside.
grimm Xingster
_____________________



Airlines in Israel has steal doors and cabins. Pilots do not open it for anything. If something happens, they land the plane immedietly and let people on the ground handle the problem.

Something we should look into.


Mike AI

good idea Grimm --

I don't think it would be a bad idea to arm the pilots and tell em to shoot anyone who's not behaving.

Maybe arm them with tranquiler guns to see how well it worked.
KK

Hi All,

I have been glued to my tv for 2 days now, watching in horror as our great country was attacked by Cowardly, Evil People. I pray for all the familes, and hope that a forthcoming strike against these Attackers will show them we won't be slapped down, and our freedom as a people will never be in jepardoy.
-----------------------

Ken, We would love to help out anyway we can in this auction, I remember the 250k night, everyone did so damm good:) Count us in.

Peace and love


sextoyking

You dumped Bubba??
get out!
Why havent you fixed icq yet?

Shok Peaches Loves IDS Cellular

Heres an idea

to prevent terrorists from getting into ccockpits, make the only door to the ccockpit accessable only from the outside.
grimm Xingster

Hi Shok!!!!!!!

<feeling VERY depleted of your attention.....and here I dumped Bubba-geek so you could have me all for yourself! ;)>
Peaches

Oh yeah and Happy Bday JohnIP!
Damn and I thought I was gonna be old tomorrow ;)

Shok Ca$h In With Cell Phones

Melody, I read last week that Justin Wilson died...who is reporting he died yesterday?


Shok Ca$h In With Cell Phones

Amen, Mike and geeky.

Along with all the tears shed for fallen pop stars, I'd hope we'd recognize who the real heroes are --these very brave, faceless fallen heroes on the planes.

Melody

According to Fox News they know all of the hijackers by name now
SusieS

When they arrest those behind this and identify the dead suicide hijackers I hope they don't release names or photos. Because this is what these bastards wanted. To be made martyrs and heroes in their homelands. They will beam with pride to see the pictures of their young heroes on the front cover of the New York Times and Newsweek.
Who cares what their names are or what they look like. Don't give them their fame or infamy.
mutt

I think the benefit of having Sky Marshals on board would come from his/her expertise in recognizing possible situations, and ability to defuse the situation after it happens. Also, there are all manner of one-load only weapons that could be used, according to my marksman brother-in-law.

As for other donation places, these are the ones I've found. Feel free to post all this wherever:

http://www.feedthechildren.org/
(they are working to help move food and other necessary supplies into lower Manhattan, and for those who are in temporary shelters outside).

http://paydirect.yahoo.com/PD/onePage/onePageRedCrossMoney-drv.pd/
is a Yahoo PayDirect page
They accept American Express as well as all the majors.

Still seeking a donation site that unequivocally states it accepts international charge cards, Petr. I'll post it if I do.

While the world went on, Justin Wilson (the Cajun Chef...the certonlee guy) passed away yesterday. But he was a ripe, old 87 years of age, which is as it should be.

Melody

Ken,
I would be more than happy to help you in any way I can with the auction.

My prayers go out to everyone in our country tonight...

Big Hugs to All
PattyeCake* TGP2Bucks

What a courageous act of those passengers. May their souls rest in peace.
geeky

"the U.S. would receive support for military action from its 18 NATO partners if it is found the assaults were committed by foreign nationals"

"The decision opens the way for NATO military and logistic support to any U.S. retaliation."

cnn.com

Petr

Anyone view the passenger lists from United and American Airlines yet? They have release partial lists:

American Airlines:
http://www.amrcorp.com/default2.html

United Airlines:
http://www.ual.com/Response/PressReleases/0,11641,-1__1812_1,00.html


Magick

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/920/1m/www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19050-2001Sep12.html

Information on the plane that crashed near Pittsburg. It seems we have some real heros!


Mike AI

Ken, HiRise and Oprano will support the auction anyway we can.




Mike AI

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/09/12/faa.airports/index.html


FAA alllows limited flights to resume


sky marshals appear to be being reimplemented

no curbside check in

no knives of any sort, etc
grimm Xingster

White House, Air Force One were targets

http://www.dallasnews.com/attack_on_america/stories/469206_whitehouse0912e.html
Brad Shaw

They had armed security on planes a long time ago....they were called Sky Marshals. I don't remember when or why they got rid of them. Probably cost too much and we got cocky and lax. Seems like this is the message being sent loud and clear by this tragedy.
You get the security you pay for.
It costs lots of money to do intelligence work, having people all over the world infiltrating these terrorist cells.
mutt

one of those planes was hijacked because th terrorist said he had a bomb.
grimm Xingster

Toolz,

When you see something like this happening, you wish it would be THAT easy.

These days you can kill someone with something sharp made out of hard plastic.

We need mind readers in airports, not metal detectors.
JMan

Hey Everyone,

It's clear that we are all going through a wide range of emotions regarding the events that took place yesterday - Anger, Fear, Shock, Grief, etc.

Many of you have expressed a desire to help and we think this is the best way for us to deal with what has taken place.

Therefore, WEGCASH and WebQuest have joined forces and are in the process of putting together a charity auction to support this cause.

The charity auction will take place next week and more details will be released tomorrow regarding time, place, how to donate, etc.

The last time we held a charity auction, the webmaster community stepped up to the plate and we were able to give over $250,000 to childrens charities. We're hoping that once again, the industry will pull together and show strong support for this worthy cause.

Our best wishes and prayers go out to everyone who has been touched by this tragedy.


Ken Charity Auction for America

Jman,

Maybe they can put him in one of those bullet proof boxes and he can come out when he needs too.
Here's a better idea, don't let these guys on the plane to begin with.
Toolz

I agree JMan...completely.


Magick

Magick,

Part of me would pay extra on the cost for a ticket for a well trained security officer aboard the plane. But the fact that he or she would be armed could create trouble.

Imagine couple of extremist trying to jump him or her to get the gun.


JMan

I'm not sure...just note that it is warning of troubles to Americans travelling ABROAD...not on American soil.


Magick

How can you tell when a page has been updated? the date and time?
I would be interested in finding out exactly when that page was uploaded,
SusieS

I'll be damned...

http://travel.state.gov/wwc1.html


Magick

Online surveillance (Carnivor boxes) being setup at ISPs

http://www.silicon.com/public/door?6004REQEVENT=&REQINT1=47340&REQSTR1=silicon.com


Brujah

Robert:

Your URL post: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

Is a VERY important read.
On my ICQ, I received the supposed "Nostradamus" prophecy several times since yesterday.

It is NOT a Nostradamus prophecy at all, but merely a made-up prophecy.

Folks.... there will be A LOT of misinformation and urban legends coming from this. Weigh your information carefully, and don't be duped into FEAR.

Evil Chris

So who wants to take bets on armed security guards being on every flight in the near future...?


Magick

Wow...here is a story about how the hijackers actually commandeered the flights, and about the weapons and technique they used to lure the pilots out of the cockpits...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627214_asp.htm

Scary.


Magick

http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm

Robert

oh, and the original audio of his broadcast from 1973 is there too.

This is old... but it applies perfectly to today.


Evil Chris

Good post on Gordon Sinclair:

Here's the original version, with some background.
Very interesting reading if you have 5 min.

Chris

http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm

Evil Chris

Melody, the problem with Amazon is that if you live outside USA your billing address will no go through. The form is obviously not working with non-US ZIP codes... I just tried my two billing addresses (two different European countries) without any luck. :(
Petr

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1539000/1539136.stm
geeky

grimm

http://www.nofreeporn.com/donation.html


Forest

got this in my email, evidently form a cnadaian broadcaster


America: The Good Neighbor.
> >
> > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to
> > a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
> > Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his
> > trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
> >
> > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans
> > as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all
> > the earth.
> >
> > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
> > lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions
> > of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries
> > is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United
> > States.
> >
> > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
> > Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and
> > swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
> >
> > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
> > that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were
> > flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
> >
> > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of
> > dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries
> > are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
> >
> > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating
> > over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
> > Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing
> > Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't
> > they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly
> > American Planes?
> >
> > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
> > woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get
> > radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You
> > talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not
> > once, but several times and safely home again.
> >
> > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in
> > the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are
> > not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of
> > them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
> > dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
> >
> > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking
> > down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the
> > Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned
> > them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
> >
> > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help
> > of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone
> > else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
> > help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
> >
> > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
> > damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of
> > this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to
> > thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present
> > troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
> >
> > Stand proud, America!
grimm Xingster

This from another board I frequent (thanks, Jenna):

In order to help the flooded Red Cross website, Amazon.com has set
up a way to make donations through their website. It's secure
payment and they've waived their usual fees.

I was there a few moments ago. The amount donated is over 600,000
and number of donations is over 23,000. For some reason it's set up
currently to only take $1 but every little bit helps, I guess.

http://www.amazon.com

Melody

err fsn.net, i dont have the power to fly it on fsn.com, dont own that company:)
grimm Xingster

Happy birthday john, when you get this old, do your years roooll over to 0 like miles ona car when it hits 100k?;)


If someone has a link to a donation page ill fly it at the top of xingster.ccom and fsn.com


grimm Xingster

That's wonderful, KC...kudos to you!

Peaches, I don't know how that works, but I distinctly remember one time that I had forgotten to turn my cell off during flight, just a couple months ago...we were 37,000 ft in the air, and I pulled it out to turn it off, and I remember it had a full signal...

wierd.

Not sure if could be satellite relays or what...


Magick

SusieS
Your Welcome .. and Thank you


KC, another class move!


Happy Birthday John IP


Vick

Vick,
Thank you I have copied the image and table and am adding it as include to all my sites getting traffic,
as can be seen here on the tag.

I don't have the heart to build right now but this I can do
SusieS Thumbellinas Showing Support of US

Another dumb question (I'm just full of them today ;))

Could someone explain to me the technical logistics on how a cell phone works tens of thousands of feet away from the nearest cell tower? I can't reach a cell tower from my house - it's amazing to me that someone can reach one in the air.

Here's a local radio guy's take on yesterday:
http://www.boortz.com/nealznuz.htm
Lots of good links
Peaches

We are now redirecting all of our counter traffic to PayPal's relief fund.

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/relief-outside

We would have sent it to the redcross, but they can't handle their existing load as it is.

We will continue to fly the flag and forward traffic to the relief fund for at least the rest of today.

KC

I just wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday, JohnIP!
Hopefully we'll still get to come visit in a couple of weeks...
Angel http://www.angelstop100.com

It is, of course, a sad day. Despite that ...

Happy Birthday, JohnIP!

Dravyk TGP2 Bucks

Magick said:
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If anyone wishes to learn more about the Taliban...
A picture is worth a thousand words.
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/gallery.html
------------------------------------

Magick,
It's unbelievable how Afgans treat their own people based on the insane ideologies of a small minority of people who are in charge.


Evil Chris Reelporn - Free for Webmasters

Dumb questions (or "musings from the mountain"):

1) Were these planes relatively empty? 266 people on 4 large jets seems like a small number. It makes one wonder if they had access to the manifest and looked for flights that would offer the least amount of resistance.

2) In this age of "identy theft", is there truly any way to track down a passenger on a flight? I know people that have had their names used on driver's licenses and credit cards - seems to me that's all you'd need in order to obtain a plane ticket.

And, HAPPY BIRTHDAY to best looking "senior" I know, JohnIP :)))

Peaches

For people looking for loved ones who may have been working in the WTC yesterday, or may have been in the area, or among the rescuers:-

Missing Persons..212-447-2998
Bellvue Hospital...212-477-2998 and
212-477-2999

If your relative or loved one was a fireman and is missing...718-999-2541

If your relative was a police officer and is missing...718-677-8328

Electra
Wed Sep 12 12:10:01 2001 - 165.121.64.46 - message #159000
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Forest

Happy birthday you big fag hag?

a disgruntled ex-Hallmark employee i think

http://www.opranoplus.com/bday.html
mutt 50 is middle aged? How many 100 year olds do YOU know?

wow what a pathetic way to make some money of this tragedy

http://elcochino6.tripod.com/laden.htm

heather, how r u associated with this ??

Slavdogg <<<<

Someone sent me the link, I stole the graphic, made my own wallpaper and that was that. Did I think that anyone would click on the links of the original page? HELL NO!

I used the pic. That's it.

But yeah, I'm famous for turning everything into personal gain, right? That's why you see my tag lines everywhere all the time.

Give me a frigging break.

heather

Anyone else notice how slow CNN and CNN.com have been in getting info? What gives? They are usually first with all the important stuff..
Zebra

You can also just save the logo and link coding if you wish from http://www.nofreeporn.com/donation.html
and add it to your sites
Whatever anyone wants to do to help I am all for



Vick

They have identified all hijackers...and have already made arrests of others involved, and more arrests are in progress...

http://www.abcnews.com


Magick

Vick...

This is my number 1 priority!!!

EVERYONE PLEASE!!!!!

Add this link to your sites.....


http://www.nofreeporn.com/donation.html


Forest Do It for AMERICA!!!!!

Magick... I'm watching it... what am i watching for?
Hooper Checks Will Still Go Out Today

Check your ABC news station NOW


Magick

I think it's enough with the showing of the crashes. Just because they have the footage doesn't mean they have to run it 1,000 times. The news networks aren't much better than the gas station owners jerking up their prices.
mutt

Forest - That's great, thanks for all your efforts

We will all get through these trying times, doing whatever we can to help each other



Vick

too the people who did this

"God may have mercy on you but We WONT!!!"

John McCain
Forest