Hello Babes,

I am finishing my work here and I am off to Miami..

I'll arrive at 2pm and stay in Fontainebleau Hilton.

Want to reach me? leave a message at the hotel for: Van Lubek

or call my cell if you have it..hihi

Not sure if I get my normal e-mails to work but for urgent messages sent it to:

killerbabe32@hotmail.com

Back on wednesday in office!

See you in Miami!




LittleC. Gone to Miami

MikeAI, Serge, et. al - The voting will close today at 12 Noon CST! So if you haven't voted yet you better hurry!

http://www.oprano.com/caption02vote.html

Edd (Sneaky Ninja Webmaster)

go to
http://pageseeker.com
and do search for SEX...

do you see what I mean?
serge
--------

OH MY GOD!!! NO FREE PORN!!!
who woulda thought!

cj Naked firemen!!

Time to go get the naked paramedic out of my bed :) Want to see pictures???
MelissaD
***********

Mel, I think I have pics of that already :-)

cj Naked firemen!!

Okay let me find a model release form :)

Meni don't you like when we pick on you?
MelissaD (Nobody is better than me!) <--- in case you need proof

Question;

Could the TGP2 concept be applied to link sites in their requirements to be listed?


Jack Exclusive Media Group
*****************

YES! and guess who is doing it NOW??????

go to
http://pageseeker.com
and do search for SEX...

do you see what I mean?
Serge

Time to go get the naked paramedic out of my bed :) Want to see pictures???
MelissaD
***********

YES!

The whole adult community is watching and will decide from here
if you are to be trusted or not.

"Picures will set you free"!
;-))
Serge

Question;

Could the TGP2 concept be applied to link sites in their requirements to be listed?


Jack Exclusive Media Group

Colin,
and I say...making paysite affiliates programs BY INVITATION only is the way of the future.

EXAMPLE:
===========

webfather's board is by invitation/recomendation/approval
ONLY.

It has most amount of memebrs,
posts and controls combined the most of the PRODUCTIVE traffic.

Mr. Trump's Golf Club in West Palm Beach has similar characterisitcs...
;-)))

Boca Raton Golf Club with it's $45,000 entrance fees has HIGHER %%% of high earners than the averages suggest.
Serge

12Clicks/General

I'm still waiting for phone calls :)

I'm commuting to the show in Miami so I'll be around. :)

Actually now its a paramedic and a fireman that I'm dating at the same time. Jealousy isn't pretty, its petty. I pick on Meni because he likes it, he begs for it every time he posts. I'm just happy to oblige like every less.

Look I prove proof that there is nobody better than me. Have a look and give some feedback, besides jealously.

Time to go get the naked paramedic out of my bed :) Want to see pictures???
MelissaD (Nobody is better than me!) <---- In case you need proof

This 80/20 rule we were discussing yesterday .. it's not true.

In the US ..

The top 10% of people make 33% of the income.

And then the top 40% make 66% of the income.

So about the top 50% of people make 80% of the income.

I wrote a couple programs this morning to simulate this and got about the same thing.

The mathematician that invented fractals, Benoit Mandelbrot, has noticed that income distribution is fractal. To interpret, that means that any particular field should have about the same distribution as the whole.

This seems to make a lot more sense to me.

Colin

Hey LadyJ ...

Are you saying that you made two TGP2s or two TGP2 galleries?
Colin Why didn't you just Ask Colin?

Off to Miami!

See you all there!

Webfather 25,000++ uniques on the auction block for September. $88,500 is the current high bid.

I have been in a few chatrooms and heard the talk on the TGP2. I for one am very interested.My concern is just how will we get this traffic generated? budlight and I have two made so far,but the stats are not good on them. But I really believe that we all need to go with these new changes as this is where we will be tomorrow.Just have to keep rolling and try new things.If one doesn't work,then have a backup ready.I just wanted to make myself known among you great people.And that we are going to make this TGP2 work :)
Ladyj Fat Slappin and Sweat Drippin

PowerPack, depending on location,
you are pissing away between 4 and 17% of your traffic

Use counters that PAY!

than you piss away NOTHING!

and you can also come here and ask the guys who running them questions DIRECT

hrere they are:
http://www.paycounter.com/?ref_id=52704
is KC's and
http://adv.sexcounter.com/ad_page.html?c=3000909&p=15&t=0
is Tukhman's
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

Hi all!
I'm using www.sextracker.com, www.xxxcounter.com, www.porntrack.com and www.megatracker.com counters. Anybody know how much traffic is lost through those counters?
PowerPack

Heading out for Miami, read this little tidbit on the Titans game last night, this is funny in so many ways:

``We leave the rubdown of the balls to the equipment guys. They get a chance to rub the balls down a couple of days before the game. Unfortunately, we didn't get a chance to go in and feel the balls ourselves this week,'' McNair said.

``However, that won't happen again. Trust me.''

Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher said he couldn't remember something like that ever happening before, and he promised he would rub the balls down himself next week, if necessary"

Toolz

ron,

done...i will be around over the weekend so let me know what you have in mind via email.

its great to be back ( not that i was ever gone just keeping quiet)



General (What's NEW?) $30 a sign up - non adult program - try it

Hey general, I'm well.
Glad to see you showing up again. :-)
Mojo & I are anxious to talk to you about a few things.

his addy is robert@standardinternet.com
drop him a note. :-)
12clicks

hi ron

how are you ?

no i havent heard from mojo for years ! whats his email addy these days ?
General (What's NEW?) $30 a sign up - non adult program - try it

Is it possible that there are some that are serious about this as a business, that just dont want the visibility or baggage of being as open?
****************************
if you're not visible, you're not serious because you leave money on the table by being invisible.
///////////////////////////////

thanks for the welcome serge, after almost 1.5 years wasting my time with non-adult bullshit, itīs back to the real buiz.
******************************
why is this always music to my ears? :-)
/////////////////////////////


General, have you heard from MOJO yet?


12clicks

G'morning .. everyone ..

A new day ...
Anything can happen ..
Make it so.
Colin fuckedupjerk.com

Happy Birthday Grimmmmmmmmmmmm

Im off to Miami

216-965-7038 for those wanting to do some business down there

ciao
Forest (Pithy is as pithy does)

good morning

and evening to you funkmaster - how is melbourne these days ?
General (What's NEW?) $30 a sign up - non adult program - try it

JoeE,

We just received our copy of Klixxx....

What the HELL are you sending it out in a CLEAR wraper with the cover and back page for all the world to see????????

That IS NOT right! How do we get off your mailing list!!!!!!????

Hugs,
Danielle

Danielle Click Here For A Program That Converts at 1 in 75 BIG TIME!!!!

thanks for the welcome serge, after almost 1.5 years wasting my time with non-adult bullshit, itīs back to the real buiz.

--
Whiteant (verb) : to criticise something to deter somebody from buying it. A car dealer might whiteant another dealer's cars or a real estate salesman might whiteant another agent's property.
--
funkmaster

Funkmaster....
"Old Faces Coming out of Nowhere" day continues!
;-))

welcome!
Serge

in australia, where you come from they call you a bludger ....
funkmaster

BTW,
did you read the board which features ladies who brag that RobMac was THEIT conquest?
Serge

if Miss MelissaD
likes to talk about her
fireman conquests..sometimes 2
at a time :-))
**********************

Rob, you are WRONG!!!!!

only ONE was a firefighter, the second one was male nurse!

geeze, are you getting envious?
Serge

I don't understand rob ... perhaps that term didn't make it to qld?

:-)


cj no whiteants here...

Let's end it at noon and start
"Hunt for Red Confucy"?
;-)
Serge

Boardman

if Miss MelissaD
likes to talk about her
fireman conquests..sometimes 2
at a time :-))
likes to hang shit on Meni
and says that NOBODY IS BETTER THAN ME then who are you to interfere with some game play??

in Australia, well where i come from
anyway you'd be called a white ant :-))

Rob Mac lastconsole.com

Hey serge, how many more hours till the voting polls are closed for the caption contest??

http://www.oprano.com/caption02vote.html

Looks like it is coming down to 2 finalist!!

I think Nick must be rigging it! haha

Confucy - have you voted yet?

http://www.oprano.com/caption02vote.html


Mike AI Few more hours to vote!

Rob,
"A picture worth a thousand words"!
;-)))

sure,
I think that would sell!

I wouldn't have a problem to run our our 10% Oprano discount Infomercial,
cry your heart out Home Shopping Network!
;-)))
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

I see exactly where you are coming from Serge! :)

You will see lot's more content added to oprano from our end very shortly.

Might even have to do a webshow featuring yourself? :)

Rob
ThePluginCo

Good ideas don't care where they come from ;-)
*****************

Ideas don't care - I do!
;-)

I always care the source of ideas, usualy the good sources have more ideas
;-))
Serge

Colin posted it here Post # 13744
It is a quote from Lamar?

Good ideas don't care where they come from ;-)




Vick

Vick, where did it come from?
Serge

" Setting up a free site with the intent of making the surfer happy would be like giving handjobs at a homeless shelter."


Great Line
I Love it!!!


Vick

Rob,
first time this is an announcement,
second time this is a spam,
TALK about it all day long and it becomes...CONTENT.

do you see what I mean?
;-)
Serge

Hi Oprano,

Thought i'd drop you a note to let everybody know we just completed a few major projects, which means we now have production time to produce new animated flash sitcoms / webshows.

We have been flat out over the last few months and this is just to let everybody know we are accepting new projects now.

So if you wan't to get your very own branded sitcom produced in flash, or even if you wanted bulk banners / sites or even to check out some of our past work, just shoot me an e-mail or an ICQ.

I'll even offer a discount for oprano readers of 10% :)

Sorry if this is classified as spam, couldn't think of a better place to reach the masses at the moment, as we had people requesting work a while back and we couldn't help.

Thanks Guys.
Rob - 127188940
ThePluginCo

"It's about mostly teasing the surfer. Give em an inch and you'll get a signup. Give em a mile and they wouldn't even buy a $2 towel from you to wipe off the jizz on their keyboard." - MyStlcMaRa


Red,
submitted!
Serge

However with hard work, and innovation, and more hardwork they could scratch out a living.
---------------------

Mike, a lot of them/us are doing better than scrathing out a living, its just we are not as 'visible' as some are. Is it possible that there are some that are serious about this as a business, that just dont want the visibility or baggage of being as open?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Fatbaby, one persons scratching out a living is another persons wealthy... it is all realtive.


Mike AI

JMM_Slits_DJ, when you guys get over your collective hangovers please email or call me about the you-know-what ASAP! Thanks!

Yep, good day of discussions! :-)

I'm off to leave the board to the insomniacs, the Aussies, and, of course, Slavik. :-))))

Dravyk All Of 'Em delivered daily

cj

Give me a shout our mutual friend has arrived.


MelissaD (Nobody is better than me!) <---- In case you need proof

Damn KK... feel like i oughta put on the glasses & tweed to keep up with you tonight... good info ;-))

Lisa... roflmao...i don't remember you calling ;-))

On another note... new dialer went up about 5 minutes ago... send your international traffic & make more $$$ than with any other dialer!

Check it out at http://www.xxx-porns.com
Then signup at http://www.conversioncash.com
Hooper New dialer released 5 minutes ago ;-))

"lmao... til you fall asleep with your head on the keyboard you haven't made it... but you're getting close ;-)))"

At least I haven't had to call Jim yet and tell him to shaddup, stop posting, and go to bed...unlike some I could mention. ;))


Lisa Only click here if you want to make LONG TERM money!

Damn that second cut and paste was about your price cutting WF -- don't know how I f**ked it up! Haste I guess ---

Supply side economics, which is what we see now, never made much money for the producers. Bring it back to the demand side or at least find the point of equilibrium -- then you see profits again :)
KK

---
We are all fucken toasted and posting, now we know what it's like to be Hooper
---

lmao... til you fall asleep with your head on the keyboard you haven't made it... but you're getting close ;-)))
Hooper 100% Unoriginal.

".. it might be the shear number of webmasters that are in this that are fuck*in everything up as much as the free content. "
---------------------
The sheer number of them out there posting 100 pic galleries with one banner as fast as they can so the big tgps will list them. That is killing so much of it all.

".. it might be the shear number of webmasters that are in this that are fuck*in everything up as much as the free content. "
--------------------------
Rick -- you've run a real business before and you know how it works.

So many of the people in this business don't appear to understand how to do business... giving away all your product is crazy... but then again maybe they're making it up in volume???

One last comment on the sponsors cutting the deals -- porn surfers aren't going to go away just because hypothetically speaking sponsors cut out their programs and they don't have the newbies to get them traffic. That traffic will still be there and those that are around to show em a peek, collect the dollars, will still get that traffic.

And oh so much more of it would be paying traffic...

Fantastic discussion today, lots of good points made all the way around -- I'm off to the airport, will be in Miami in the morning :)



KK

Red, I tries my best. ;) It was fun being on the show and spreading the word. I have to finish packing now, Miami here I cum. :)

Ulfie TGP2 is the future

Oh my goodness!

Boss, back away from the keyboard!


Lisa Only click here if you want to make LONG TERM money!

*laughing*

I think i better go to bed....
Colin http://www.fuckedupjerk.com

We are all fucken toasted and posting, now we know what it's like to be Hooper.


JMM_Slits_DJ

What the fuck are all you douchebags talking about????


Send the C and D's to Slits office.


JMM_Slits_DJ

OK .. more from lamar .. this guy rocks ..

"Setting up a free site with the intent of making the surfer happy would be like giving handjobs at a
homeless shelter."
Colin

This is a quote from Lamar .. a gem ..

"The surfer is NOT my customer and never has been. Surfers, if I have my way, will be paysite customers but never mine. My sponsors are my customers. I, as a free site owner, am an advertising agent for adult paysites. I do what I can to keep my customers happy."

Reprinted without his permission ;)
Colin

since I went to bed, showered and had my morning cigarette, the board has rolled over almost 4 pages!!!!

How is anyone supposed to catch up with all of this quality discussion!!!


cj click the link

I want to congratulate Forest and Ulfie on a great show tonight with Sharky. They were both personable and informative and the majority of the people in the chatroom were contributing to the discussion.

There was an excellent quote in the chatroom:

"It's about mostly teasing the surfer. Give em an inch and you'll get a signup. Give em a mile and they wouldn't even buy a $2 towel from you to wipe off the jizz on their keyboard." - MyStlcMaRa

Forest and I both thought it was worthy of pearlization.
:-)


Red ( Oprano Text Therapist) Eroticopy, beacuse adult writing is more than just dirty words

not all are failing and not all are crooks. Some of us are just pretty faces in the crowd and like it that way
letshunt
************

Letshunt, I know...and I always look for them!
Serge

actually it looks like some wise-en-heimer bought it up a few months ago ;-)))
Hooper
**********

Oh boy,
he won't use it...
everybody know by now that Sergescash SHAVED!!!!

ouch!

$10 wasted
;-))

I bet I can get it back with one e-mail
;-))
Serge

Yeahhhhh I finally got DSL today. I dont think I could have handled the AOL connection much longer :)

Hope everyone is having a great night!

Its great to be back.

Star Gramma Knows Best!

----
wanna buy sergescash.com ?

it's for sale by
http://directnic.com for $10
----

actually it looks like some wise-en-heimer bought it up a few months ago ;-)))
Hooper 100% Unoriginal.

Thanks for standing up for the newbs..Serge...I have already bored you once with my diatribe on the nature of newbies and won't do it again...not all are failing and not all are crooks. Some of us are just pretty faces in the crowd and like it that way
letshunt Just another pretty face in the crowd

Meni,
I am making you famous!

Serge, RE: message #108499:


Nice thought..printed out a few of the quotes
Especially loved Meni's " I'm doing very well for an idiot. "

Fluid -
Thu Aug 23 20:22:00 EDT 2001 - 204.92.208.137 - message #108543

Serge

colin, not married yet. But still with mayka. moving into a new place next month.

well, i will always be the original stoner.

jonas (the Original Stoner)

talking about brains, anybody cares to speculate where this came from:

And yes, FUCK THE SURFER....love your members, but until they're members, grab them by the frigging ankles, turn them upside down, and shake vigorously until some money falls out of their pockets.

Serge

jonas .. nice tag!
Colin (The original Colin)

"Colin is officially the best!
Checked stats today and I've made my first Celeb and Asian(2) sales in 1 year. Since as far as I know he's the only one posting them, then I guess the credit goes to his traffic. Hey, 3 sales with less than 1000 visitors to my galleries is something to be happy!" - Harvey

Colin TGP2 is converting!

Jonas .. miss you too, man .. lookin' at a trip yer way in about a month or so.

You married yet? ;)
Colin Ann Landers?

thanks for the invite.

Colin, will do. Say hello to Jesse for me. Miss you guys.
jonas (the Original Stoner)

Did you see Requiem for a Dream?

Same director as PI .. Pretty good too .. if yer in a disturbed mood. ;)
Colin Ann Landers?

Geeky,
hahahhahahaha!
;-)))

wanna buy sergescash.com ?

it's for sale by
http://directnic.com for $10
;-))


Serge

Colin,

I thought PI was great. It had that underlying statistical/numerical mysticism slant and also a great "look" from the b&w reversal film they used. It is one of my favorite dvds, with great extras.
geeky

Serge,

Sorry about the server, I forgot that it was retired too. ;-))))))
geeky

Jonas, you and Emil are ALWAYS welcome any place I am,
and I promise to keep secret your holdings in Fort Lauderdale real estate market from the general public!
;-))
Serge

Jonas!

I don't have yers either.

Find each other in email next few daze. :)
Colin Ann Landers?

Rick, when is the next price cut to $7500?
**********************************

Soon as we have a waiting line for them. :-)))

Supply and demand....

Webfather
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

JoeE,
you gonna cry on all boards after your party that it costed you $250,000 and be asking webmasters who attended to either send you traffic or give the food back!
;-))

why don't you buy the last button on Wf's board instead, so he could drop his prices?
Serge

serge, say hello to emi. Look forward to november then.

jonas (the Original Stoner)

fp, it's you...

from Wf's board:
Thu Aug 23 21:20:43 2001 - 62.252.128.4 - message #29528
Serge

fp.....must be you. It's rockin' with another 300 post day. Try rebooting.

Webfather

Geeky .. I love the movie, PI?
What about you?

.. reading through 1 million posts i missed in last hour right now.
Colin

Webfather...

can't reach your board, is it down or is it just me?

fp

fp

Serge... keep looking at Tom's.. thers a few there! ;-)

fatbaby
************

I know...
;-)

Tom's board was the FIRST board we exchanged links with...
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

Jonaaaaaaaaaassss!!!!!!!

Emi amd me missed you so much last year!

We know how busy you and Emil are,
tenats, members, memebrs becoming tenats, tenants paying rent with content...
tough life!
;-))

I'll be looking forward to see you guys in November!

I found cool Italian place you guys gonna enjoy!


Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

However with hard work, and innovation, and more hardwork they could scratch out a living.
---------------------

Mike, a lot of them/us are doing better than scrathing out a living, its just we are not as 'visible' as some are. Is it possible that there are some that are serious about this as a business, that just dont want the visibility or baggage of being as open?

---------------------
The problem is the newbs, and many of the people who have been around for a long time keep pushing the envelope in desperation - they start acting unethical and start spamming, or playing games with credit cards, or whatever...
--------------------------
Althought I am sure you did not intend that to be a global statement, it is, sadly, a large number, just not all! ;-))

There are large groups of folks doint well... if you know where to look! ;-))

Serge... keep looking at Tom's.. thers a few there! ;-)

fatbaby

serge - that's right, all of our south beach tenant's get free memberships to our sites.
jonas (the Original Stoner)

Yes, stoner is still alive. Just very busy.

Sorry guys. Been trying to build an empire off the net.

Webfather - it has been a long time. Hope all is well.

Serge - I know, one of these days we will go have dinner.

colin - yes it is your turn, only cause i lost your number.

I will been in and out at the convention. While there, i look forward to seeing all my old friends and meeting new ones.


jonas (the Original Stoner)

Yeah there has been more thought-provoking discussion about this business today than I have read in a looong time. Reminds me a little of old YNOT days. ;-)))))
geeky
**********

Geeky, the fact that we survived is telling me something...
you don't see here those who FAILED,
they don't come here or anywhere anymore...not all of them were moved to retirement homes
;-0
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

Geeky,
please turn your link off
http://sergescash.com

everybody click on it and fryed my server...
;-((
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

Serge,

Thanks for the welcome!

Yeah there has been more thought-provoking discussion about this business today than I have read in a looong time. Reminds me a little of old YNOT days. ;-)))))
geeky the squirrel knows ;-))))

Mutt,

good points! but what I was thinking, but not getting out well, was that the music industry could have embraced the technology and possibilities of the internet, as thier market has. They made themselves look like the dinosaurs. Sure they do have a lot of money and power, but are they in touch with their market? Have they started a strategy that will have a backlash? I guess we will see in the future.

As for porn on p2p, well that is more like usenet than anything else I guess, allowing _anyone_ to find anything they want, regardless of age. The pics and movies of paysites are rendered worthless by the ability to download for free. What can/will be done? I don't know. I read the govt. report on p2p porn and though they seem to know _about_ it, i don't know what they can _do_.



geeky the squirrel knows ;-))))

Rick, when is the next price cut to $7500?
**********************************

Soon as we have a waiting line for them. :-)))

Supply and demand....

Webfather

see what happens when you leave the children unattended? ;-))))
geeky
*********

Geeky, welcome to Oprano!

vhildren???

I feel like a kid myself in the presence of some minds here!

Indusry's BEST!
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)

Colin, did Stoner fall off the planet? Have not heard from him in ages!

Webfather
**************

you'll see Stoner's work all over Miami...he is now one of the biggest Landlords out there...
Serge

I have always been from the school where when you hit capacity you double your prices, lose half your business and become more profitable than ever and still have plenty of room to grow.

Webfather
*****************

...and with this, I am happy to inform everybody that the price of ads on Webfather's board just dropped to $5000 per button!

Rick, when is the next price cut to $7500?
Serge

I am sure zoosex and preteen girls posing nude has brought a lot of attention to this industry too, as well as a lot of crap.
*************************

attention- maybe,
harm? I don't see how it reduced the price per click, Grimm.

Let's not talk emotions, let'sa stick to dollars and cents.
Serge

The opportunities usually arrive when other companies stumble, get lazy, or have the FTC sicced on them....


Mike AI
*************

yeah, especially the last one....

one's misfortunes are often used as "opportunity"...in EVERY industry.

The old "leader of the pack" is eaten by the next younger "leader of the pack"
wolves do it for the last 25,000 years

Serge

If you look around now, there are way fewer people in both number and percentage that realize the business is about dollars and not about the number of hits to a counter --
KK

PEARL!
Serge (EVERY top 10 pay sites accept checks....WHY?)