12clicks reinvents the wheel...i mean porn...i mean..um..wtf did he do?

Jace · 10-20-2006

nothing at all....he basically opened a program designed for paysite owners who use cross sales

there is absolutely nothing in 12clickscash for the average webmaster

www.12clickscash.com

oh, that's right, I forgot, he revolutionized gallery building by letting the affiliate pick the template and content and create the gallery on the fly!!!!

oh wait, 10+ programs have been doing that for years....

so...where were we?

Hammer · 10-20-2006

Nothing negative about this post. And weren't you quitting the business?

Jace · 10-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Hammer

Nothing negative about this post. And weren't you quitting the business?

depends on which of my personas you talk to and what week it is

I think Jace3 said something about that a while back, I will have to check with him

what does that matter anyway? I can't have an opinion anymore?

Inabon · 10-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Jace

the average webmaster

you mean broke without a clue making 2 sales per week cant pay for beer

is that the average?

Jace · 10-20-2006

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Originally Posted by Inabon

you mean broke without a clue making 2 sales per week cant pay for beer

is that the average?

these days I am beginning to think it is

TheEnforcer · 10-20-2006

I really like the designs of those sites.

Peaches · 10-20-2006

Ron hasn't realized there have been changes since he's been in the adult biz. I tried to tell him this several months ago. No one ever listens to me

Hell, there are so many simple errors on the program that someone who's supposedly been in the biz for 10 years should be embarrassed. Not to mention most of his content is stuff that's been recycled for years.

But he'll make money off trading with the oldies but goldies. I doubt he'll get any traffic from the big SEO guys like Slavick, RickC, WiredGuy, Carmelo, etc. because they're pretty loyal to their current companies.

Hell Puppy · 10-20-2006

Somehow I cant see 12clicks caring to go after the small webmasters. So no surprise there's little in there for them.

It'll succeed or die based on whether he can make money doing xsells and exit trades with his buds. He and mojo are a lot of things, but dumb is not one of them. It's designed to do what they know and leverage what they have.

If there's a merchant account underneath that can handle some "creative" traffic sources, he'll do fine, though it might get burned to the ground in under a year. But again, they dont gear for the long term, they go for where the easiest fastest dollar is for them, ride it til it doesn't work anymore, then move on to something new.

gonzo · 10-23-2006

Im just wondering when John Skorick became a content producer.

Why else would he be listed on the 2257 pages?

Peaches · 10-23-2006

Seems 12clicks doesn't like it much when you make accusations and then post screen shots as proof

I have been banned from the first board EVER in 10 years

Jace · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Seems 12clicks doesn't like it much when you make accusations and then post screen shots as proof

I have been banned from the first board EVER in 10 years

let me guess, JBM?

MattK · 10-23-2006

hey Peaches sorry to see you got banned

hit me up next time you come to vegas mattk at pobox [dawt] com

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Seems 12clicks doesn't like it much when you make accusations and then post screen shots as proof

I have been banned from the first board EVER in 10 years

Your welcome to post screen shots here.

Did mojo threaten to move his domains on you too?
Hope your keeping track of all your real friends who have your back.
I can show you how to complile a list like I did back in June.

softball · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Seems 12clicks doesn't like it much when you make accusations and then post screen shots as proof

I have been banned from the first board EVER in 10 years

That is fucking unbelievable. Welcome to the club. It was inevitable.
edit: I just read the thread. I laughed. I cried. But someone nailed it. They compared Peaches to Confucy. Damn and I thought I was the only one. LMFAOROF

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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That is fucking unbelievable. Welcome to the club. It was inevitable.
edit: I just read the thread. I laughed. I cried. But someone nailed it. They compared Peaches to Confucy. Damn and I thought I was the only one. LMFAOROF

Shes still welcome to post those screen shots here.

The truth is the truth and I wont shoot the messenger no matter how much a roofer complains.

softball · 10-23-2006

we are all waiting with baited breath...

sarah_webinc · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Seems 12clicks doesn't like it much when you make accusations and then post screen shots as proof

I have been banned from the first board EVER in 10 years

Well, I haven't posted here in ages but I just found a reason to.

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Well, I haven't posted here in ages but I just found a reason to.

Did I swipe your fingernail polish?
Hope you are well.

Jace · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Well, I haven't posted here in ages but I just found a reason to.

yay!

sarah_webinc · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by gonzo

Did I swipe your fingernail polish?
Hope you are well.

I have been far too lazy of late to paint them any colour let alone your faveorite.

sarah_webinc · 10-23-2006

also,while I admit that I haven't really followed the lolita drama until tonight and I really don't wish to stir, how come people don't mention the incest related domains? Incest has always meant incest online and elsewhere.

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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also,while I admit that I haven't really followed the lolita drama until tonight and I really don't wish to stir, how come people don't mention the incest related domains? Incest has always meant incest online and elsewhere.

They love the traffic those domains bring,
In a greed filled mind I guess its ok to register those domains but not have any questionable content on them?

You gotta ask yourself though. What kind of program owner goes against his own TOS and for this kind of traffic?

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

also,while I admit that I haven't really followed the lolita drama until tonight and I really don't wish to stir, how come people don't mention the incest related domains? Incest has always meant incest online and elsewhere.

Oh, I agree. Apparently Brad needs that $1000 or so a month that 12Clicks is paying him in advertising. It's funny how many people have ICQ'd me about it.

I can't link to the post where Mojo said the "invincdomains@gmail.com" because I don't have access

But...

Here's the screen shot of who owns 12clicks.com:

http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks04.jpg

Here are screen shots of a list of domains associated with 12clicks.com as of Sept 19 of this year. They have changed them obviously after I called 12clicks out on it on GFY:

http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks1.jpg
http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks2.jpg

As you see, beasty, incest, lolita, etc. HOWEVER, the lolita was specifically pointed out because they were using lolita URLs to send traffic to their own Taboostories.com site, even though their own TOS for webmasters says that's not allowed - and we know 12clicks shuts down "cheaters" without notice or pay, but cheats his own, or his partner's program. Or maybe they are his partner's domains - who knows. I though Mojo was smarter than that, but he laid claim to that email address:

http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks3.jpg

Before I was banned, it seems someone alerted 12clicks to this 3 years ago. Well, the terminating site has changed in the last 3 years per archive.org so apparently, not only were they aware they still had the domain, they were changing the site to get the most return on their traffic.

Yeah, a real "pioneer" to respect in the industry. Ron seems to think I'm the only who disagrees with him over this. However, I didn't even KNOW about reverse DNS lookup. People have been feeding me information about him since he started attacking me instead of doing what most people did - remained friends with both Cory and I even though Cory and I disagreed.

What's also interesting is that Brad refers to Ron as his "friend". Yet Brad's never invited him to any of his private gatherings and 12clickscash uses NATS instead of Brad's Executive Stats. I guess because he put a banner with sound (which WAS against JBM rules) on Brad's message board, now they're big buddies.

Oh well. I think I'll survive - those SSI checks are handy

Plus Brad owes me $500+ in posting points, lol.

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by MattK

hey Peaches sorry to see you got banned

hit me up next time you come to vegas mattk at pobox [dawt] com

Matt, I plan on coming the 5th-7th or 6th-8th - I need to call and make hotel reservations. I'll let you know for sure

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Oh, I agree. Apparently Brad needs that $1000 or so a month that 12Clicks is paying him in advertising. It's funny how many people have ICQ'd me about it.

I can't link to the post where Mojo said the "invincdomains@gmail.com" because I don't have access

But...

Here's the screen shot of who owns 12clicks.com:

http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks04.jpg

Here are screen shots of a list of domains associated with 12clicks.com as of Sept 19 of this year. They have changed them obviously after I called 12clicks out on it on GFY:

http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks1.jpg
http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks2.jpg

As you see, beasty, incest, lolita, etc. HOWEVER, the lolita was specifically pointed out because they were using lolita URLs to send traffic to their own Taboostories.com site, even though their own TOS for webmasters says that's not allowed - and we know 12clicks shuts down "cheaters" without notice or pay, but cheats his own, or his partner's program. Or maybe they are his partner's domains - who knows. I though Mojo was smarter than that, but he laid claim to that email address:

http://www.onlinebeach.com/12clicks3.jpg

Before I was banned, it seems someone alerted 12clicks to this 3 years ago. Well, the terminating site has changed in the last 3 years per archive.org so apparently, not only were they aware they still had the domain, they were changing the site to get the most return on their traffic.

Yeah, a real "pioneer" to respect in the industry. Ron seems to think I'm the only who disagrees with him over this. However, I didn't even KNOW about reverse DNS lookup. People have been feeding me information about him since he started attacking me instead of doing what most people did - remained friends with both Cory and I even though Cory and I disagreed.

Oh well. I think I'll survive - those SSI checks are handy

Plus Brad owes me $500+ in posting points, lol.

Are these the screen shots that were deleted?

If so you have to ask yourself... is this who I want to do business with?

Consider your choice carefully lest you score yourself a cameo on CNN and Dateline!

And wouldnt that make you the pride of the neighborhood?

softball · 10-23-2006

They were not deleted.

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by gonzo

Are these the screen shots that were deleted?

If so you have to ask yourself... is this who I want to do business with?

Consider your choice carefully lest you score yourself a cameo on CNN and Dateline!

And wouldnt that make you the pride of the neighborhood?

Since I'm banned, I can't see it - did they delete the screen shots? I'm glad I told someone to take screen shots of that thread as soon as I was banned

What a bunch of babies. If you screw up, at least own up to it.

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by rhetorical

They were not deleted.

Oops. Then nevermind........

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Since I'm banned, I can't see it - did they delete the screen shots? I'm glad I told someone to take screen shots of that thread as soon as I was banned

What a bunch of babies. If you screw up, at least own up to it.

Deleted screen shots isnt the issue as much as pedo marketing is ... in my opinion.

A lot of you want to crybaby when CNN or dateline depicts this industry as a bunch of low life thieves and scammers yet the majority of you will line up when the bell sounds for that free drink or whats ever worse... just to hang out and look like your with the cool kids.

Ask yourself...how cool will I look on CNN or Dateline?

JR summed this up best elsewhere...

"face it... if you work in this biz, the world thinks you are a scumbag. now one will openly support you because of that. instead of worrying about who is president as if that really matters and is going to stop prosecutions... why not worry about the real issue... the fact that you allow yourselves to be continually characterized as predators, thieves, scammers, exploiters of children, home wreckers and a destructive force in society.

no politician will you support an industry that allows itself to be hated, stigmatized and characterized as a general threat to humanity.

this business is its own worst enemy."

So go ahead and send that traffic with the promise of making a few cents more per click. This time your not risking a little more money... this time maybe you will be made famous!

softball · 10-23-2006

When I first started in the business (excuse me while I blow the cobwebs off of my Classic 2) someone gave me a good piece of advice. Never do anything that will humiliate you or your family if you get busted or outted. Now I think anyone who uses lolita or incest now or ever to sell porn does embarrasses us all. I very rarely agree with JR, but in this case I do. Shame on any of you who have ever owned or made money out of pedo or incest domains, traffic or pictures.

Hammer · 10-23-2006

What ever happened 'don't shoot the messenger'?

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Hammer

What ever happened 'don't shoot the messenger'?

That's what's so funny: BRAD SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME FOR PROOF! I gave it to him. He got mad and banned me.

He's claiming 2 advertisers quit because of me. Bullshit. Unless I have a LOT more power than he and MFM have. In WHICH case, I'm running for office.

Jace · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

That's what's so funny: BRAD SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME FOR PROOF! I gave it to him. He got mad and banned me.

He's claiming 2 advertisers quit because of me. Bullshit. Unless I have a LOT more power than he and MFM have. In WHICH case, I'm running for office.

I did notice that, and that was pretty funny....I love it when people ask for something then get all bitchy when you give it to them

as for the advertisers, yeah right, I have heard board owners say that shit before, I don't believe it for one minute

whether it is negative or positive, drama on boards equals page views

softball · 10-23-2006

Hell I just get banned because people get mad or Peaches holds her breath and threatens to turn blue.

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Jace

I did notice that, and that was pretty funny....I love it when people ask for something then get all bitchy when you give it to them

as for the advertisers, yeah right, I have heard board owners say that shit before, I don't believe it for one minute

whether it is negative or positive, drama on boards equals page views

I have a sneaky suspicion WEG and 12Clicks threatened to pull advertising. WEG's done it before that had nothing to do with me. I doubt they'd ever do it though. But again, if they did, that kinda shows Brad's board isn't making them money already, right? Why would someone give up making money? Brad sure is afraid to.

softball · 10-23-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

I have a sneaky suspicion WEG and 12Clicks threatened to pull advertising. WEG's done it before that had nothing to do with me. I doubt they'd ever do it though. But again, if they did, that kinda shows Brad's board isn't making them money already, right? Why would someone give up making money? Brad sure is afraid to.

Its all about the drama. Hell I never go to that board but I went their to read all the dirt. I am sure lots are. You are making them money. Cha ching.

Peaches · 10-23-2006

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Its all about the drama. Hell I never go to that board but I went their to read all the dirt. I am sure lots are. You are making them money. Cha ching.

I should trademark my name and sue the bastards!

softball · 10-23-2006

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I should trademark my name and sue the bastards!

I should have trade marked many of my names. LOL

gonzo · 10-23-2006

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I should have trade marked many of my names. LOL

Names have a way of sticking with you...

Id be scared as hell at the thought of being remembered as "pedoclicks" in the near future.

Hell Puppy · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Since I'm banned, I can't see it - did they delete the screen shots? I'm glad I told someone to take screen shots of that thread as soon as I was banned

What a bunch of babies. If you screw up, at least own up to it.

He didn't delete the thread with the screen shots. I saw where he editted some of your posts in some other threads though. No idea what he changed of course.

It's one of those things that lets you see who your real friends are.

Peaches · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

He didn't delete the thread with the screen shots. I saw where he editted some of your posts in some other threads though. No idea what he changed of course.

It's one of those things that lets you see who your real friends are.

C'mon - you know I've never considered Brad a friend, lol.

I'm feeling quite powerful today - anyone need someone pissed off?

sarah_webinc · 10-24-2006

whenever somebody gets banned on any board I love to watch the flow of people kiss ass with the opinions they suddenly have

Peaches · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

whenever somebody gets banned on any board I love to watch the flow of people kiss ass with the opinions they suddenly have

Yes, it's been quite interesting reading the posts there.

justb · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Yes, it's been quite interesting reading the posts there.

I just think that you, me , and Sara should start a book and movie review board : )
I guess I either have to post more here or you have to turn on icq once a week

Hammer · 10-24-2006

If Cyndalie was any farther up Brad's ass you wouldn't see her feet.

Peaches · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Hammer

If Cyndalie was any farther up Brad's ass you wouldn't see her feet.

Which is interesting since before she was supposedly a friend. I am still in the biz, just not near as much as I was before. It's about 10-20% of my income now instead of 100% as it was for 10 years.

JustB - I have snarkypeaches.com - I'll see if I can find someone to help me put it together as a message board with movie/book/restaurant/vacation/etc. reviews

And I won't ask for advertisers

sarah_webinc · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by justb

I just think that you, me , and Sara should start a book and movie review board : )
I guess I either have to post more here or you have to turn on icq once a week

Oh, I would be all over that. Half the reason I post there was it was the place those conversations could take place and atleast somebody else knew the movies I was talking about.

P.S. See Children of Men when it finally comes out in the States.

justb · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by sarah_webinc

Oh, I would be all over that. Half the reason I post there was it was the place those conversations could take place and atleast somebody else knew the movies I was talking about.

P.S. See Children of Men when it finally comes out in the States.

I just put it on my save list on netflix ; )

softball · 10-24-2006

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Originally Posted by Peaches

Yes, it's been quite interesting reading the posts there.

Exactly. Just like I used to read your posts when I was banned here and couldn't respond to you.

gonzo · 10-24-2006

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Exactly. Just like I used to read your posts when I was banned here and couldn't respond to you.

Sounds like someone is threatening legal action now...

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Peaches Members Want to see your own Advertising Here! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hills of N. GA Posts: 10,823	Re: 12clicks reinvents the wheel...i mean porn...i mean..um..wtf did he do? Ron hasn't realized there have been changes since he's been in the adult biz. I tried to tell him this several months ago. No one ever listens to me Hell, there are so many simple errors on the program that someone who's supposedly been in the biz for 10 years should be embarrassed. Not to mention most of his content is stuff that's been recycled for years. But he'll make money off trading with the oldies but goldies. I doubt he'll get any traffic from the big SEO guys like Slavick, RickC, WiredGuy, Carmelo, etc. because they're pretty loyal to their current companies. __________________ Peaches@onlinebeach.com ICQ# 36734533

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