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Old 06-23-2005   #1
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The cunts.

As i have been saying for the last few months, this was nothing to o with defending the adult industry, rather lining their fucking pockets.

Nice to see an organization that defends the 'adult industry' is so happy to sell those same industry members out for a few grand.

Fuck the FSC and the scheister attorneys that make up their board :angry:
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The cunts.

As i have been saying for the last few months, this was nothing to o with defending the adult industry, rather lining their fucking pockets.

Nice to see an organization that defends the 'adult industry' is so happy to sell those same industry members out for a few grand.

Fuck the FSC and the scheister attorneys that make up their board :angry:
you're a first rate moron.

i guess lawyers should perform services for free, or they should cover expenses out of pocket to protect us. you dont like what theyre doing, then dont join.

theyre protecting the people who support them.
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not until August or September.....
Its bought time, which is what they were originally going for, so how exactly do you find that bad?

Because a special "Court" Appointed Master gets access to the list.. how else would you have liked it done.
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Where does it say that if the FSC loses, their non-compliant members can't be prosecuted retroactively?

Today is the day for compliance. Just because they won't inspect you next week or indict you next month, I must be missing the part that says if the DOJ wins in court they still can't come back to you with screen shots from today or tomorrow and make you prove compliance.

Someone point that out to me.
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Where does it say that if the FSC loses, their non-compliant members can't be prosecuted retroactively?

Today is the day for compliance. Just because they won't inspect you next week or indict you next month, I must be missing the part that says if the DOJ wins in court they still can't come back to you with screen shots from today or tomorrow and make you prove compliance.

Someone point that out to me.
If you aren't compliant today, you deserve it. As I stated above, the law is the law. No one should have been dependent that the TRO would 100% come through.
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Thanks, KK, I was just typing an identical post, I'm glad I hit refresh.

Today's compliance day, that's how I'm operating. While I'm an FSC member, they could give my name and address to the DOJ for all I care. My house is in full order, just like it should be for anyone who's treating this as a business.

Every industry has its rules and regs. If you can't take the heat, don't jump in the pan.
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Thanks, KK, I was just typing an identical post, I'm glad I hit refresh.

Today's compliance day, that's how I'm operating. While I'm an FSC member, they could give my name and address to the DOJ for all I care. My house is in full order, just like it should be for anyone who's treating this as a business.

Every industry has its rules and regs. If you can't take the heat, don't jump in the pan.
This is how it should be done!


Get your business working inline with the law, don't run to the FSC and hide under their shadow and cross your fingers, and be thankfull for more time!
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I certainly hope that all these people who think they've bought themselves "time to become compliant" aren't the ones that the DOJ is handing more than enough rope to...

because if the DOJ wins in court, someone's going to be stupid enough to be hung on what they have on their servers today.
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I certainly hope that all these people who think they've bought themselves "time to become compliant" aren't the ones that the DOJ is handing more than enough rope to...

because if the DOJ wins in court, someone's going to be stupid enough to be hung on what they have on their servers today.
The law is in effect, lets see how many still hide under the umbrella!
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The cunts.

As i have been saying for the last few months, this was nothing to o with defending the adult industry, rather lining their fucking pockets.

Nice to see an organization that defends the 'adult industry' is so happy to sell those same industry members out for a few grand.

Fuck the FSC and the scheister attorneys that make up their board :angry:
You cheap fuckin' faggot. Cough up your money like everyone else and stop bitching. I don't see you taking on the DOJ or doing shit other than having ass wrangler PMS on boards and expecting someone to give you something for free.

Hate crimes exist for a reason.
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I specifically held out of getting back in after doing mainstream for some time now until this mess was a little more clearer so it will be quite easy for me to comply if I decide to jump in.
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We as a company, have been compliant for YEARS
I love faggots - I mean come on...I don't even need to piss here.

Compliant for "years" with interpretations what were just published months ago - this is what makes oprano hillarious...
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As a company we HAVE been compliant for years.

As i have already mentioned, i know exactly where every single image on our network is being used, i know exactly where the model ids for those images are located, i know exactly which content provider sold the images to us.

Why is it so hard to understand that some of us actually do run our sites like a proper business?

Im sure if you asked someone at Directnic what domains they sold to "Joe Webmaster' 5 years ago, they would be able to provide you a list, along with every DNS setting that they used on the domains in question.

Anyone running a proper business has paperwork to do, just because it isnt required by law to do so, it doesnt mean that it doesnt get done.
Prove it. Show where you have better lawyers than ARS, TopBucks and the rest. Show you run a proper business.

Show where you run a better business and have been compliant with interpretations you didn't even hear about until a few months ago, for years.

That's all you have to do.
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I just finished reading the long version of all this, including the quotes from the lawyers.

Seems that it was a no brainer. They could have pushed for the tro hearing and possibly lost and then the feds could prosecute anyone they wanted while waiting for the injunction hearing in August, or they could cut a sure deal that covers their members and the plaintiffs until the injunction hearings.

Like I say no brainer, always go for the sure thing in a situation like that.

Also talked to my lawyer this evening (he manages the softball team I coach for ) and he said it was exactly right that the deal only covers the plaintiffs, that that is the way all deals like that work.

So even though I do not always like the FSC, it sounds like they did the right thing on this one.

but that just imho of course...
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Lee, you're overreacting.
Why am i?

I dont see how im over reacting when the industry got sold out, one way or another the FSC is handing over a list of all their members to a third party.

Nowhere does it say what happens to that 'list' of names once the TRO is won or lost, the DOJ can have that list unsealed at any time.

The FSC are still 'spinning' this as a win to gain more members, which they can add to the 'master list'.

This is nothing more than a stay of execution, come the 8th of Augut we are still non the wiser as to whats going to happen one way or the other, all we know right now is that the FSC is willingly going to be giving a list of their member names and addresses to someone who isnt involved in any way with the FSC.

How am i over-reacting?

Even though we as a company are compliant, should the Feds come a knockin' its going to cost us time and money to prove our compliance, the best solution for this entire thing would have been for the FSC to get their TRO.

Instead, all thats happening is they put it off, so they could line their pockets at the expense of the industry members who they so adamantly 'defend'.
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and he said it was exactly right that the deal only covers the plaintiffs, that that is the way all deals like that work.
How long will this thread continue until this point is understood?

Man, this industry is really terrifying. When the DOJ reads these boards, I bet they look upon us like a lion does when it spots a gimp old elephant.
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Show where you run a better business and have been compliant with interpretations you didn't even hear about until a few months ago, for years.
Again you show the fact that you are not an adult webmaster at all and know nothing about this business.

Record keeping and being able to prove the age of your models with ID's has been mandatory for years. Even Joe's Ho would know that.
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one way or another the FSC is handing over a list of all their members to a third party.
The DOJ probably already have a list, or they could just point their browsers to their favorite porn sites, and start surfing - its not like the industry is in hiding ;-))
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I just finished reading the long version of all this, including the quotes from the lawyers.

Seems that it was a no brainer. They could have pushed for the tro hearing and possibly lost and then the feds could prosecute anyone they wanted while waiting for the injunction hearing in August, or they could cut a sure deal that covers their members and the plaintiffs until the injunction hearings.

Like I say no brainer, always go for the sure thing in a situation like that.

Also talked to my lawyer this evening (he manages the softball team I coach for ) and he said it was exactly right that the deal only covers the plaintiffs, that that is the way all deals like that work.

So even though I do not always like the FSC, it sounds like they did the right thing on this one.

but that just imho of course...
I'm not so sure.

I don't want to completely disrupt this hissy fit, but consider this - would the Feds have agreed to this if they thought the new regs would stand? Seems to me the other guy has already winked, at least - and maybe he's blinking.

I'm all for a conservative legal strategy, but if the hand is loaded with Aces, you're a fool not to play them - and the new regs bear a striking similiarity to the ones tossed aside.

I am a laymen, don't profess to be a lawyer, but I did spend five years trying to keep them from fucking up my databases.

There is a lot about this whole thing that puzzles me. I'm confused by the number of people that contend there was no way to obtain a "blanket" TRO enjoining the DOJ from enforcement efforts of any kind against any entity; that only named plaintiffs could have been covered by a TRO resulting from today's hearing doesn't seem quite right to me.

I don't know enough at this point to conclude that what the FSC did is good strategy, bad strategy, or stupid strategy.

That being said, Lee - if you are not a member of the FSC, they can't have sold you out.

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Instead, all thats happening is they put it off, so they could line their pockets at the expense of the industry members who they so adamantly 'defend'.
So what you are really saying is that this organization didn't follow a legal strategy that benefited you - an organization you do not belong to, and who therefore has no reason to give a fine flying fuck about you.

Why the fuck should they do your legal work for you? How much legal work have yoiu done for other people for free?
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if you are not a member of the FSC, they can't have sold you out.
They havent sold 'me' out, they sold 'us' (the industry) out.

They claim to represent the industry yet, at the first chance they get, they make a non-disclosed 'dea' that benefits only their members.

They dropped a TRO that would have protected EVERYONE, not just their members, instead, they are continuing to line their profits usng the 'we represent the industry' marketing 'spin'.

I really couldnt care less myself as my company is fully compliant however, i know US based webmasters who are also compliant but do not currently belong to the FSC, they are the ones who got sold out. Even though they are compliant, because they arent a member of the FSC they can still be inspected at great expense to themselves.
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I was not aware that people are joing the FSC, because they want to continue to be "illegal", but if they do, then its a personal choice - not something the FSC is promoting. The FSC has already washed their hands in the press release regarding any bad apples.

FSC have placed themself in a situation, where they can fight.. I would think just that would be enough to contribute, if you are located in the US?
I agree, it isnt something that FSC is promoting but, its also not something that they are telling people NOT to do either.

If the DOJ finds a single webmaster in non-compliance with these 2257 regs, and they ARE a member of the FSC, every other member of the FSC's information will be made available to the DOJ.

As i mentioned above, this 'private deal' does NOT protect people who ARE guilty of a crime even if they are FSC members.

If someone has commited a crime, in this instance, non-compliance, no amount of 'private deals' in the world will stop them being prosecuted.
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Anyone who joined the FSC in the effort to support the lawsuit against the government and expected that your information would be kept private - please contact me immediately.

I have bridges for sale in New York and San Francisco for sale real cheap.
Can you prove ownership of the said bridges?

Perhaps you could stand by them with a copy of todays newspaper to prove you have them in your possession
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If the DOJ finds a single webmaster in non-compliance with these 2257 regs, and they ARE a member of the FSC, every other member of the FSC's information will be made available to the DOJ.
How will the DOJ find out that they are illegal, if they can not inspect the company records until September 7, 2005?
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All its going to take is for the DOJ to find a single image on a site that they already know doesnt have the required documents in circulation and voila, no need to inspect, just arrest and charge.
Then how does that give the DOJ access to all the others on the FSC list?
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I wish I caught this thread sooner so I could have shoved my 2cents at the top of the thread but better late then never.

Anyone who paid close attention to the FSC would have seen this coming a mile away,

Case in point:

They said for the last 30 days 2 things that TOTALY contradicted the other
(1) We Will NEVER Give out your info if you become a member
(2) Only our members will be covered by our TRO

Now one would read those two statements and do a compleate Homer "DOH" and see that these fucks are just full of shit, but for some reason the vast majority of webmasters totaly missed this????

Next up, they NEVER used proper legal terms for what they were doing from the get go:
(1) We will be filing for a TRO (Temporary Restraing Order) And it will only cover our members
(2) We will be filing an injunction.....
(3) We will not give out our member lists

Next up, They knew the end plan the entire time, a true TRO would cover EVERYONE member or not BUT a PLEA or "Begging for an extension" would only cover their members, this was their plan all along if you stop and apply commen sence to it all, again they misslead us and fuck over those who payed them money.

Finaly, They (My consperacy Theory) Are providing kickbacks to certain players who drum up huge signups, bringing us right back to the year 1999 where people made mass ammounts of cash by "less then ethical means" All one needs to do to understand this theory is to follow the board drama and who is doing what, These are not "stupid people" or "noobs" who would just believe everything they read, these are "power players" who hold a nice chunk of thier collective industries. The result is the ability to manipulate a huge flock of sheep to fork over $300.00 a pop from which they get how much in return?

The list goes on and on, but I called this 28 days ago but no one seemed to want to listen, but now a damn good portion of people see the truth, I just pray they did not put themselves and their freedoms at risk by being put on the FSC soon to be handed over to the court "Member List"

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