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Old 05-07-2004   #1
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A college professor, an avowed Atheist, was teaching his class. He shocked several of his students when he flatly stated he was going to prove there was no God. Addressing the ceiling he shouted: "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you 15 minutes!"
The lecture room fell silent. You could have heard a pin drop. Ten minutes went by. Again he taunted God, saying, "Here I am, God. I'm still waiting."

His count-down got down to the last couple of minutes when a Marine - just released from active duty and newly registered in the class - walked up to the professor, hit him full force in the face, and sent him tumbling from his lofty platform. The professor was out cold! At first, the students were shocked and babbled in confusion. The young Marine took a seat in the front row and sat silent. The class fell silent...waiting.

Eventually, the professor came to, shaken. He looked at the young Marine in the front row. When the professor regained his senses and could speak, he asked: "What's the matter with you? Why did you do that?"

"God was busy. He sent me."

One Nation Under God....
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Old 05-07-2004   #2
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that one nation under god
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and needs to go my friend
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that one nation under god
is old
and needs to go my friend
it worked for the founders of this great nation, still works for me today ; )
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Dan, when people think they are doing "what god wanted", they usually do some very stupid and short sighted things.

Most of the battles and bloodshed in the world today is based on "my god is true, and your god isn't real... and if he is, well, he sucks shit!".

America "one nation under god" isn't any different from "praise Allah" or "in the name of Allah"...

Before you spout off a big "we ain't near the same", trade sides. Think about what americans sound like to muslim ears. Understand that "god bless america" is as absurd a concept to them as "Allah care for Bin ladin" would be to us. THINK ABOUT IT.

One nation under god. Who's god? Strictly speaking, before the US went blowing shit up, Afgahnistan was "one nation under god"... just not the god you like.

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it can really be whatever god you want it be.

If your god is allah then you can change that to one nation under allah.

It's a FREE nation ; )
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Dan, you know that just ain't true. It's one nation under (a christian) god.

Freedom is relative.

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it can really be whatever god you want it be.

If your god is allah then you can change that to one nation under allah.

It's a FREE nation ; )
Free Nation?
Disney won't distribute Moore's movie
?
why?
Bush
you want Bush's FCC fucking Disney's ABC?
Jeb Fucking Disney World?

The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.

The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis — including the family of Osama bin Laden — and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.


Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases, people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation, though neither side is said to want to travel that route.

In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."

But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies, executives said.

"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."

Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's company, backed out.

Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.

"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."

Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.

A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company had the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deemed their distribution to be against the interests of the company. The executive said Mr. Moore's film is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film, which does not have a release date, could alienate many.

"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.

Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, but such a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.

Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday, saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "

Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine," are often a political lightning rod, as Mr. Moore sets out to skewer what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more than a million copies, have also been lucrative.

Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged, but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.

Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden from the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.

Mr. Moore once planned to produce the film with Mr. Gibson's company, but "the project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, an Icon spokesman, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.

Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had distributed Mr. Moore's 1997 film, "The Big One." In return for providing most of the new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute it.

While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon Disney to sign off on distribution, which would ideally happen this summer, before the election and when political interest is high.



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yes meni, it's FREE, you can thank this guys
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meni, you need to expand your news source from more than just stearn,

Moore admits Disney 'ban' was a stunt
By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
07 May 2004

Less than 24 hours after accusing the Walt Disney Company of pulling the plug on his latest docu.mentary in a blatant attempt at political censorship, the rabble-rousing film-maker Michael Moore has admitted he knew a year ago that Disney had no intention of distributing it.

The admission, during an interview with CNN, undermined Moore's claim that Disney was trying to sabotage the US release of Fahrenheit 911 just days before its world premiere at the Cannes film festival.

Instead, it lent credence to a growing suspicion that Moore was manufacturing a controversy to help publicise the film, a full-bore attack on the Bush administration and its handling of national security since the attacks of 11 September 2001.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=518901
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Well I got that from the NY times
and are you telling me
Bush and Jeb wouldn't fuck Disney over
if they put out this movie?
Bush/Saudis/Bin Laden family
this movie will rip Bush apart
i'm all for the marines
great
i hate the idiot in the white house who takes 90 days vaction a year
who wouldn't go under oath, wanted no video/audio, no transcript of his 'conversation' with the 9/11 commission
wouldn't go under oath? this bible preacher president?
oh yeah and he HAD to have cheney
what more do you need, to know this man is a idiot, and needs to go?
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Dan, when people think they are doing "what god wanted", they usually do some very stupid and short sighted things.

Most of the battles and bloodshed in the world today is based on "my god is true, and your god isn't real... and if he is, well, he sucks shit!".

America "one nation under god" isn't any different from "praise Allah" or "in the name of Allah"...

Before you spout off a big "we ain't near the same", trade sides. Think about what americans sound like to muslim ears. Understand that "god bless america" is as absurd a concept to them as "Allah care for Bin ladin" would be to us. THINK ABOUT IT.

One nation under god. Who's god? Strictly speaking, before the US went blowing shit up, Afgahnistan was "one nation under god"... just not the god you like.

Alex
"Usually"??

How many trillions of dollars in charity have people given? How many hours of work feeding the hungry, clothing and housing the poor have been volunteered and donated?

What an absolutely stupid thing to say. So much good has been done because people think they're doing God's work.

You atheist leftists are some ignorant motherfuckers.
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Originally posted by Meni@May 7 2004, 03:50 PM
Well I got that from the NY times
and are you telling me
Bush and Jeb wouldn't fuck Disney over
if they put out this movie?
Bush/Saudis/Bin Laden family
this movie will rip Bush apart
i'm all for the marines
great
i hate the idiot in the white house who takes 90 days vaction a year
who wouldn't go under oath, wanted no video/audio, no transcript of his 'conversation' with the 9/11 commission
wouldn't go under oath? this bible preacher president?
oh yeah and he HAD to have cheney
what more do you need, to know this man is a idiot, and needs to go?
Meni, there is no nice way to put this: You're a brainwashed lunatic.
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Meni, there is no nice way to put this: You're a brainwashed lunatic.
Buff, that what happens when one exercizes his muscles instead of his brains....
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Buff, for every good you find, I can find 10 bads.

Most of the wars, conflicts, and terrorist actions today are fought (ignorantly) under the name of "their god"... religeon is used as the defining line of "our side there side", and millions of people die as a result (see Bosnia, for example).

Yes, people do good work in gods name... but that hasn't stopped people from using gods name to insight people to evil deeds, and our history is filled with it.

Furthermore Buff, you have don't have the right to judge my beliefs and what "my god" wants. "You atheist leftists are some ignorant motherfuckers." - You know what Buff, you just showed yourself as the ignorant, shallow, narrowminded suckass that reminds me why Americans can't figure out why the rest of the world is tired of them. You can't discuss anything without trying to label people. That is a sure sign of the same "our side there side" that starts wars on a bigger scale. Your the ignorant motherfucker, ignorant enough not to know it.


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This whole conversation is irrelevant as ....

... THERE IS NO GOD

ah ha ha ha ha

A bunch of superstition that causes harm

Maybe, just maybe religions have done more good than harm but that's debatable

Much ado about nothing


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P.S. Fuck your gods and your politicians - they're all worthless and weak
and for you Stern and Moore worshipers FUCK THEM TOO



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