who is getting "out of business" next?

[Winetalk.com]

well?
who's gonna bite the dust next?

[TheEnforcer]

I picked the "unknown" option cause those happen pretty regularly. Rev share programs start and stop pretty regularly if they don't have a unique hook to em that gets people in the door.

[Hell Puppy]

Smaller players and unknowns come and go every day.

The other choices are more intriguing. It would be tough to set odds on any of them.

Ibill? They're owned by a public company. If they aren't profitable and contributing to the bottom line for Intercept, they could very well go away and cease to exist while ICPT writes the whole thing off. I would think they'd try to divest them first....wonder if anyone else would buy them at a bargain basement price? Is there enough value left in them to warrant the pain of running a processor in an environment where the issuers are getting nastier by the day?

Big program? We might see some consolidation, down sizing and other steps to help the bottom line. I dont see any of the large programs folding completely though unless someone just wants to retire or does something to fuck up their ability to process credit cards.

Webmaster boards? Definitely expect to see some die. The market is a tad overcrowded. And without naming names, I'm sure everyone can think of at least one of the larger boards that is likely being kept alive and strung along out of pride alone with the owners not wanting to lose face by folding. Might be some consolidation in this area too.

Silvercash? I dont use it, so I cant say much about this one. A couple of recent incidents defintely make ya raise an eyebrow I guess.

[*KK*]

Silvercash? Makes no sense no matter how you slice it.

[cj]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 28 2003, 12:57 AM
Silvercash? Makes no sense no matter how you slice it.

if the last 2 weeks signup numbers are any indication ......


worst converting weeks in 6 months

[voodooman]

I choose big players.

BTW, are there really any big players left since RB left?

[Forest]

If you listen to some in these parts it would be me

:P

[Almighty Colin]

"unknown paysite" with marginal # of webmasters and no one will know about it.

[Hooper]

i very seriously doubt silvercash will fold.

[Hooper]

Serge et al.

I'd like to think of this as two very seperate discussions.

Who's going to "get out" and who's going to "bite the dust".

Getting out to me is a positive thing, a decision to leave but sell all the properties and recurrings etc..etc..etc..

Biting the dust to me is a negative thing... going bankrupt, unable to pay bills, etc..etc..

[Winetalk.com]

Hooper,
sometimes! English plays tricks on me and doesn't exactly transfer my thoughts
;_)))

thanks for bringing clarity
;-))

[Dianna Vesta]

This is all really interesting. Our signups are steady. No major drop and no major increase. We are developing our program, adding more sites and perks to really ramp it up. Most of our traffic comes from steady customers that return to us and links coming in. Once I develop my program (Niche Cartel) with the sites we're opening, I think we'll do great steady business.

On the other hand programs I've promoted and done very with in the past are down. I could always cover hosting, some prorgamming and outside work just from my up sells. Even bigger names that brought me a few hundred, at least per month are down to almost zero. Meanwhile when I look at banners clicks via our own program we're still sending them a lot of traffic. I don't know why it's not converting now.

Sorry I've been away lately. Too many projects, not enough time and I'm beat! It's all good!

Dianna

[BradShaw]

I feel alot of independent consultants will be gone within a year. Companies can no longer afford to employ those simply because they are well liked.

[voodooman]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 28 2003, 02:40 PM
I feel alot of independent consultants will be gone within a year. Companies can no longer afford to employ those simply because they are well liked.

If thats the case, you'll be around forever.

:P

[*KK*]

I think that people who go around spouting their predictions off should probably make sure they aren't set up to be the next one out. Some states just don't take kindly to pornographers and I think there will be some real damage done to a few.

[sinsin]

KK, your bitterness is showing! Brad was never your type. You were attracted to his money and that damn dimple in his ass.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by sinsin@Jun 28 2003, 06:09 PM
KK, your bitterness is showing! Brad was never your type. You were attracted to his money and that damn dimple in his ass.

ROFL, confucy, you're too funny.

In case you haven't noticed, any little potshots I might have taken are a reaction, not an action.

Remember that old adage about not poking a sleeping dog with a stick, especially if you have a steak tied to your back?

[shawcutie]

LOL sinsin

[Peaches]

Originally posted by *KK*@Jun 29 2003, 12:27 AM
Remember that old adage about not poking a sleeping dog with a stick, especially if you have a steak tied to your back?

Hehehehe

[Wizzo]

Shouldn't AVSs be on this list somewhere?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by BradShaw@Jun 28 2003, 12:40 PM
I feel alot of independent consultants will be gone within a year. Companies can no longer afford to employ those simply because they are well liked.

Youd be surprised to know how many consultants are out there behind the scenes working with some of the lesser known pay sites that intentionally stay below the radar.

My guess is Ibill isnt doing so hot. Im still getting emails from the chick I met last year in Florida wanting me to use their prepaid program. Of course that shows me how little she paid attention to the conversation we had last year.

One thing is for sure conventional and "old school" billing models are going to have to change. The horn of change has already sounded by the AVS systems and I think we will see that continue to play out until oh say about November when the game changes again.

Say Brad are you goingto have more pizza in the booth this year?
A hawngry assed white boy like me has to get paid somehow. If so Ill see you for lunch!

[Rolo]

I have been wondering about the changes going on, and who are going to adapt. Business truth is that "If it ain´t growing, then its dying", and alot of companies have not been growing for some time now.

Processors have really lost alot in the last 2-3 years, and I´m suprised that they have not changed their business much within that period. When I think of the "million dollar" fines, then spending "thousands" getting more billing options seams like a small cost to secure more business.
Ofcourse processors have been under attack in that time, and it could probably explain why they are not more ahead. Good news its not too late for processors to rethink their billing setup (on a grand scale that is, not just add another dialer, talking about real longterm solutions).

Paysite owners will probably soon need to rethink their payout model...
TAX, fines, fraud, low conversions, low rention, higher production/content costs, more programming etc. all cut into those big profits everyone saw years ago. Make no mistake you can still run a paysite program, and make alot of money, but the margins are getting lower, and the volume needs to be higher to make the same amount of money. Dunno if the "old" programs will change their payout or incress their "scrubbing" (countries, hits, signups etc.), but the current payout model will just keep getting worse... When you hear someone complain about 1/1000 signup ratios today, then I bet in 1 year from now, you will hear some say that he thinks "xxx sponsor" is great because it converts 1/1000, and not 1/2000 like all those other per signup programs...

Actual I think that most webmasters sending traffic would like to see some changes, which will make their traffic convert better, and add to their overall bottom line.



Last edited by Rolo at Jun 29 2003, 11:30 AM

[Monk]

Originally posted by Rolo@Jun 29 2003, 02:28 PM
Paysite owners will probably soon need to rethink their payout model...
TAX, fines, fraud, low conversions, low rention, higher production/content costs, more programming etc. all cut into those big profits everyone saw years ago. Make no mistake you can still run a paysite program, and make alot of money, but the margins are getting lower, and the volume needs to be higher to make the same amount of money. Dunno if the "old" programs will change their payout or incress their "scrubbing" (countries, hits, signups etc.),

Paysites have already adapted their payouts by turning the shave up... and they will probably continue to do so until it becomes ludicrous and painfully transparent to ALL.

[*KK*]

Originally posted by Monk+Jun 29 2003, 12:58 PM-->