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What are your thoughts on a National Sales Tax?
Personally, it sounds great for me as I am not a big consumer. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=29637 |
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If there were a national sales tax then we'd all have to collect and remit it on our site sales, since shipping a product to a different state than you have a business presence in would no longer be somewhat of an exemption.
On the positive side it would simplify things -- no more paying X% in one state, a different % in another, and if the distribution was equitably done, could make everyone live with it, if not be happy with it. |
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Wig,
good article. I think I can support a national sales tax, nothing wrong with a pay as you go income tax, beats the irs!!!
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I wonder what would happen to all the CPA's? I admit I do not know much about it, nor have I taken any time to contemplate the math of it, but it looks good at first glance. |
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Wig,
yeh, I am sure the CPA Lobby isn't for this new legislation we sure would cut the irs budget some I belive. only thing I ever thought Steve Forbes was right about was a 10% or so flat tax.
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I could go for that ... exempt food and medicine, and lay it on. It's inherently graduated (da more you buy, da more you pay) ...
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National Sales tax is a good idea.... it also makes sure mone is collected from the underground economy. People who get paid in cash, and use cash and do not pay income taxs.
I like idea of flat tax as well..... anything has to be better then the system we have in place now! |
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Sure, they can increase the taxes on owning an SUV by 1000% and property taxes on any house worth more than $250,000 by 10,000% and I'm all for it.
How the hell would you enforce a tax like that? You'd go from putting tax evaders in jail to putting store owners in jail for not charging or collecting the proper amount of taxes for what they're selling. Our current tax system leaves a lot to be desired, but are there any countries in the world who are doing this successfully? TWENTY THREE percent sales tax? Meanwhile, now that Republicans are back in control of both houses of Congress, the administration will seek to make a set of tax cuts set to expire in 2010 permanent, while working on another tax-cut package to include reducing the taxation on share dividends Ahh more cuts for the rich. Pretty soon they'll want to secede they have it so good. With they money they're saving they could buy out our national debt and take over America! C. --edit: Before I get jumped on for this, I have some short-term tax reform that I think is a definite winner, and won't be subject to any debate in Congress. 1) Increase funding to the IRS according to their current stated needs. 2) Collect the 4 billion a year the IRS estimates they cannot collect due to understaffing and underfunding. 3) Repeal new bankruptcy reform act so taxes get paid before credit debt (okay that's wishful thinking.) If we had an extra 4 billion each year in tax revenue, and an IRS that could properly and fairly work the cases it has, I think things would improve significantly. The expenditure would be maybe a couple million tops to get the IRS to a healthy level, and the return would be 1000%. It's a no-branier! Last edited by Cal at Nov 13 2002, 12:18 PM |
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Cal, how in the world is a sales tax a tax cut for the rich? How much does someone making $20k a year versus someone that makes a million dollars consume? Most likely a national sales tax would be a tax INCREASE on the rich due to the fact that deductions would disappear and they consume a lot more.
As for turning merchants into tax collectors I don't care for that either but just about every state has a sales tax and it's a pretty rare occurence for a merchant to get hauled off to jail for not remitting their taxes. I know in PA doing the quarterly returns for merchantile taxes is a pain in the ass. Mom and pop businesses really don't need another thing they have to keep track of. A flat tax would suit me just fine as our current system is insane. I have a real horror story about the irs that after 6 years still isn't completely settled. They are as screwed up as a beauracracy can possibly get. Last edited by ulfie at Nov 13 2002, 04:53 PM |
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That is a very lucid and logical explanation that will fall on deaf ears. |
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That's really interesting. I heard about this but did'nt know they'd actual consider it.
It makes sense because if you have a lot of income you'll spent a lot of high ticket items. It would save tons of money for the goverment. Heavy shoppers will feel it but hell that just gives retailers another reason to market sales. Thanks Wig!
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Here's how sales tax benefits the rich: 1) Rich people can import things, and find ways around it (just like they find ways around income tax) plus many times they OWN the businesses selling these things, so by claiming things stolen, by not reporting stock, etc. they can get many items at a discount. 2) Rich people do not HAVE to consume as much. Typically they do not have as many children as poor and minorities. A rich person can live in a 1 bedroom house or a mansion, they have the CHOICE. Or they could simply leave the US, and not pay any US sales tax at all. The true victim of a tax system like this would be the single-income family. A single mom working at a job that barely keeps her at the poverty line does not pay anywhere near 30% tax when you consider all the refunds and assistance she gets. Yet she has 3 children, so she consumes more than a rich family with a modest house and no children (and two incomes.) Unless you propose making generic brands of everything tax free so all the poor will have something to eat That article clearly states who is in favor of this tax reform and who isn't. Note that all of those in favor are conservative/reactionary groups? Their constituency is pretty obviously the wealthy. I support tax reform that would give more money to the STATES such as increased property taxes (which truly DO cost the rich money, both homeowners and landowners) in exchange for decreases in other places, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking a flat tax or a national sales tax are solutions that benefit the common working man in America. If you are in favor it giving to the rich and taking from the poor just say so, I don't agree but it's better than covering up your arguments by saying they're for the good of the 'people.' C. |
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I would just like to ask you about each of these statements you made. 1) Is it the single moms responsibility or Gov't's to take care of her and her 3 kids? 2) What is the rich taking from the poor. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need? Sounds like that exactly what your philosophy is. Your intentions may be noble, but the result of your ideas would be total failure. You would create a place worst off than the one you started with. |
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BTW, there is nothing being given to the rich, they are just keeping more of what was already theirs to begin with.
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Yeah I know, believe me when it comes to my money I hate giving it to anyone! But...I do. It's my choice, and I'm not trying to tell everyone how to live.
But there are people who need help, it's that simple. If the minimum wage in some states wasn't $5.25 we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, if everyone could work a decent job and pay their rent and their bills. It's the responsibility of the father of her children to pay for them (I've been told by women that something like 40% of claimants actually get child support, wtf?!) but that's another matter completely. Single-income families take it on the chin now, and they would under a sales tax. The rich take from the poor every day. Just ask Nike if they pay their workers in Malaysia a livable wage <_< It's your money, sure. You earned it by doing whatever it is you do. But part of the PRIVILEGE (so the IRS tells us) of being US citizens is that you have to pay the US gov't some money for all your opportunities. Right now if you move overseas and don't set foot in the US for the entire tax year you have to pay income tax up to $80,000 in personal earnings! That's more what I mean, if you were born in Zaire there's a 1 in 3 chance you'd have HIV. You're American, so the success does come with a price. Feel free to flame the shit out of me I never said I was trying to change anything this minute, like I said give the IRS a few million so they can collect the 4 billion in unpaid taxes. Reform the INS and help get all these illegal aliens off our tax rolls. Reform the welfare system and give drug addicts the help they need and put people to work. Reform the DSS and get single mothers their fucking child support money. Reform drug laws and stop costing taxpayers money by sending people to jail for having an ounce in their dashboard. Give money to schools so they can have gym class 3 days a week instead of grilling from 1st grade for standardized tests so they can graduate high school. Feed them healthy food and not Taco Bell (schools are so strapped they take corporate sponsorships just to pay their cafeteria bills) so we reduce our nation's overweight and unhealthy citizens. There are a million ways to make the best of our system. Your reforms would be an about-face in the way we do business, mine just mean rerouting some money (or properly managing the money we DO have) to make sure we make the best of it. C. |
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