$350 for acting in a porn flick?

[Greg B]

I just got an email from some guy looking for actors and actresses to star in porn flicks. The pay was a measily $350 per 'episode'.

WTF? You mean people work for that cheap? What about royalties?

[Jace]

for a guy $350 is killer money, barely any guys get that in the industry

for a girl, $350 is VERY low...my wife used to get that just for a handjob

right now if we were to go back to porn valley my wife could get about $1500 per scene

[Jace]

oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL

fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers?

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Jace

oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL

fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers?

That's piss pitiful money for letting millions see your performance.

I thought the top actors made 6 figures easy.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

That's piss pitiful money for letting millions see your performance.

I thought the top actors made 6 figures easy.

6 figures per year or per scene?

6 figures per year is easy as a female performer...hell, when my wife and I first started we made upwards of $120k in 4 months or so

you have to figure a hard working porn girl makes $1500 a scene and if she puses herself works 2-4 times a week....average 3

that is over $200k a year easy

most girls blow their money VERY fast though...but if you are hot, do a good scene and show up to work with a nice attitude, you can live a nice life fucking on camera

guys are WAY diffferent.....here is a little tidbit for you...you know when you see porn and see a guy blow his load and dribbles out? that isn't because the guy sucks, that is usually because the guys get such low pay that they have to do 2-3 scenes a day sometimes if they can squeeze it in...so, you may have just seen that guys 3rd scene for the day and he is all tapped out...cause when you only make $150-250 a scene, you have to work 5 times as hard as the girls to make decent money

there are a few guys raking in the dough though...some of the more solid performers can get upwards of $600-800 per scene...but they are solid, cute guys that can always get rock hard, cum on cue and never fuck up a scene

[Jace]

and oh yeah.....letting people see our "performance" wasn't any deciding factor in it all

our performance is just sex...and sex isn't this big taboo thing for us...if we were allowed we wouold have sex in on the benches in the mall...it just isn't anything really, just a nice fun act that feels great.

nudity is nothing to us, so the chance to get paid for fucking on camera was a kickass opportunity...hell, we had sex in front of friends for years before we did porn, so why not get upwards of $2000 to do the same exact thing?

[Greg B]

Ja, I know.

That's why a performer is best if they know how to run their own sites. That way they get the lion's share of the dough instead.

I have webmasters ask me to do toon sites for them every freakin' day. The large magazines also. I don't because I didn't have the time and why do it for other people when I can make the dough myself and offer an affiliate program instead?

One thing about toon performers, you don't gotta pay em'.

[Lawrence Connor]

yep, it's that little

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Ja, I know.

That's why a performer is best if they know how to run their own sites. That way they get the lion's share of the dough instead.

actually, starting your own site as a performaer is a horrible idea unless you have the backing from a major studio or net company....the solo girl market is so flooded these days, harder and harder to make a buck, very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner

porn sucks

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Jace

actually, starting your own site as a performaer is a horrible idea unless you have the backing from a major studio or net company....the solo girl market is so flooded these days, harder and harder to make a buck, very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner

porn sucks

I disagree to a degree. Depends on the talent, personality, niche, expression. Some models/actors can hold their own because they know what they're doing and they stand out. It's few but still you only need 1,000 members a month recurring to make decent enough dough to set aside. If you're a greedy bastard who wants yachts and shit then you deserve to fall off.

I run a one man operation, did it part, part time and still made more dough than most. My overhead is minimal because I only pay one person, the hosting company. I live a rough life you wouldn't believe and if I told you, you'ld flee for the hills. I can now take time off and just have fun focusing on the sites more.

You're smart. You know what you're doing. You probably don't need a major studio to back you up. I've seen the cookie cutter sites out there that just don't have any pizzazz.

I see the same thing in the video game industry. We design these characters and games and some make it, some don't. It depends on the talent, niche, personality.

[Greg B]

Oh, I've never found it hard to make a buck, only hard to make the time to make a buck.

One of these days the adult actors should form a union?

[softball]

"very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner"

This is like deja vu all over again. I have been hearing this mantra for years and it just isn't true.

[Hell Puppy]

The irony is the guys make nothing, but it's tougher to find a reliable stunt cock than it is to find girls. Most cocks have stage fright and/or shoot too quick or cant shoot on queue at all.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

The irony is the guys make nothing, but it's tougher to find a reliable stunt cock than it is to find girls. Most cocks have stage fright and/or shoot too quick or cant shoot on queue at all.

That's just nature. Human males aren't supposed to be spending hours having sex. It leaves them open to predators. So the extended sex we have is due primarily to building better shelters from predators.

Turning it on and off is a matter of conditioning.

[HellHouse]

oh, and there are VERY rarely royalties in porn...VERY rarely, like 0.001% of the time someone will offer royalties, and those that offer that never amount to anything and don't sell shit...LOL

fact is, porn dvd's don't sell enough to really offer any royalties, and how would you offer royalties on a internet scene? by download? by site profit? how would you measure you videos popularity over anothers?

Not to mention that the porn industry does not have organizations like ASCAP, BMI, Harry Fox, etc to monitor and administrate royalty and publishing payments. I've actually been working with a few influential people lately, discussing the possibility of establishing such an organization for our industry. Anyone else think it'd be a good idea? It's way too hard for distributors, broadcasters, etc to fake statistics and we have no 3rd party to monitor them.

That's piss pitiful money for letting millions see your performance.

Not many porn movies are seen by a million people. Most aren't even seen by a hundred thousand people. In case you didn't notice, there's alot of porn movies out there and most of them don't sell more than 3,000-10,000 copies in their entire shelf life. $350 IS decent for a guy, it's even not that bad for a female if she's brand new and the scene is really short or something.

Oh and please don't encourage unions. All that would do is make the best performers earn less in order to 'carry' the newbies and it would create a mandatory 'bottom line' minimum for even the shittiest of performers.

Pay should be directly negotiated by the people involved, based on the facts and abilities presented, not a fucking union representative.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by HellHouse

most of them don't sell more than 3,000-10,000 copies in their entire shelf life

I have a buddy that is a producer for one of the largest porn companies in the world....he has informed me over and over again that if you are able to sell 7500-10000 movies on the shelf that you are doing better than 95% of the movies out there

3000-4000 is about average from what I understand

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"very few are going to survive the next year or two without people like nscash, medium pimpin, porn stardollars, etc in your corner"

This is like deja vu all over again. I have been hearing this mantra for years and it just isn't true.

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

[HellHouse]

Jace you're right. Everyone i know, including myself, considers 5000 sold to be the porn industry equivelent of a 'gold record'

[softball]

Originally Posted by Jace

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

The market is flooded for sure. But so is the hamburger market and there is still room for independants. If a girl has a USP that is in demand, she can still do well. With a few hundred members and a web cam, she can make a good living.
The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

[Peaches]

And I've been doing it for free all these years............

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

The market is flooded for sure. But so is the hamburger market and there is still room for independants. If a girl has a USP that is in demand, she can still do well. With a few hundred members and a web cam, she can make a good living.
The girls that fail, I think, are the cookie cutter sites. They all look the same and think because they are beautiful, they will sell. It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

Congrats youve just earned a

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Jace

i don't know man, the porn star site market is SO flooded, and has been for years, it is REALLY hard to make it without someone in your corner knowing what the fuck to do and how to do it

I know way more girls that tried and failed on their own, than girls that are successful at it

It really depends on the personality of the actor. How well their site is laid out and of course processing support. word of email is fast. A hot site really doesn't need to advertise cause one mug will tell another and another. Some sites don't even need to be hardcore to do well.

I don't know how corporate this site is but 'Wifey's World' is very popular. It's got it's main star and her boyfriend/husband and she does the same thing in each clip. If she runs the site she should be doing well considering how popular it is.

Remember when Bang Bus started? People actually thought it was real. We laughed our asses off because we knew it was a gag. It was unique, had good performances and funnier than shit. Word of mouth shot that site and company through the roof.

I do toons. I've had umpteen gillion toonists come to me, we set up a site for them and they fell off. They had tons of traffic, great looking art but they didn't know wtf the surfer was looking for.

With almost a billion people on the web, the statistics are that probably 100 million have enough money to actually buy shit. A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well! 1,000 members at 10-20 bucks a month is more than enough to get by on unless you're a junkie or degenerate gambler or have child payments/alimony.

Depending on your overhead that is. Add to that affiliates and you can do extremely well if you have charm and charisma.

I'm finishing up my second affiliate program. I know right off the bat I only need ten pro level webmasters to put me over the top. Why? Because I know they know wtf they're doing. I'd rather have ten kick ass guys than 1,000 bullshitters who are only sending circle jerk traffic.

Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't.

[gonzo]

Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.

As far as your toon site.

In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.

[softball]

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

It isn't beauty that sells in pornography, it is sex. Unique and interesting sex.

100% totally agree

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Jace, you're well respected so I ain't gonna argue here, yet you know as well as I do some people have it and some don't.

rehetorical hit it on the head in the above post

you can be a vanilla porn girl all day long, but if you aren't interesting you won't go far

problem is, most porn girls aren't interesting...and when a porn girl is only in it for the money the members/buyers can tell, and she will not go far

which is why I personally always think it is in a girls best interest to find someone who has a proven track record of launching successful solo sites to come in and work with her, which is where my statement about having a good backer comes in....I didn't really mean backer in terms of money, it was more about experience

I will tell you this though, I do know a lot of porn girls personally, and I share ideas and info with them, and fact is, whether people believe it or not, if a porn star is running a site all on her own then it is a HUGE success if that girl has over 150 members

in fact, out of the 10-18 porn girls I know and chat with, I can count on one hand the girls that have over 150 members, and only one of those has over 250 members....girls, sponsors and webmaster ALWAYS lie about what they make and how many members they have

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Jace

100% totally agree

http://www.oprano.com/pearls.html

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

[Jace]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

jesus, if only it was that easy

if people were smart they would build up a solid traffic network before they even started working on a paysite

so many site owners think if they throw up a paysite and open an affiliate program, people will instantly come and push that site....hahahahaha

here is some reality for those people....I have been working with nscash for 3 years now....I bring people into the program in hopes that they will push my wife's site. In the past 3 years I have referred 56 new webmasters into nscash...now take a guess how much money those 56 webmaster are making?

an average of $900 a month

that is a typical affiliate these days, the market is so flooded in every niche that affiliate programs are finding it harder and harder to bring in new ACTIVE affiliates...even if you get the affiliate signed up, chances of them sending any traffic are pretty small

the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything more than spare change to buy pizza with

this is for new sites mind you, established programs already have that affiliate base, so it is a lot easier

this is also just my opinion though, and like assholes, we all have one

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Greg we dont mind business debate here. Its good for us all.

As far as your toon site.

In the words of Andy Dunn ..... TEST TEST TEST your traffic.

Thanks Gonzo, you know I respect Andy. My traffic is targeted and growing. I've increased income by 15% in one month of doing it more than part time. Launched an affiliate program, increased traffic by a third and increasing each day and that's before the affiliate's gone full bore.

Believe me bro, I know what I'm doing or I wouldn't have lasted this long. I just didn't need to do it or wanted to do it full time. Now I can afford to fart around and do it full time.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"A small site owner only needs 1,000 or more recurring to do well!"

I think a thousand members is probably ambitious. More like two to three hundred would be more reasonable. A gross income of around 75 to 90k. Also, remember that a small site is pocketing 80 per cent of the revenue if it is well run. So that gives the girl a pretty decent income for not a lot of work. I think too many of them spin their wheels with unreasonable expectations, get disillusioned and drop out. Hence the high attrition rate.

Didn't know 1,000 members was that hard to come by. I must be doing something smart.

If a small site is making $75-$90k gross that's not bad at all. If invested right it could put you in a range of personal wealth in a million bucks not to long down the road ( real estate ).

Yes, some people have too high expectations. I never did. I just followed one simple equation:

I have fans + My fans like tits + I draw tits good + I put drawings of tits on website + I charge money = I earn money.

Add 'more' and 'better' to any of those variable and I win out. Besides, I've met some great minds over the years in the biz who always have a hook up

So I shuts up and learns when need be.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Way to many people out there passing themselves off as program gurus.
$200 fror a pocket cam
$750 to CCBill for Visa
$200 for some hosting

And all you do is throw up a design and link into CCBill and your done right?

WRONG

Not if you want to make any money that is...

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

100% agreed Gonzo. We all who know you, know you know the angles to make loot and expand.

Considering the money paid out to actors it's a wonder how any of them make it. How much do the BangBros pay their models for a Bang Bus shoot? Foreign talent must work for pennies. Program gurus must be making a fortune off em'. A big program must have large overhead and I remember a pal that ran a very successful program back in the late 90's had 5,000 members. He did real good but decided to get out of the biz in the early 00's.

Some models you see on everybody's sites. Like Katja Kassin. She must be worth her weight in gold as she appears on one site after another. She must claim a high salary.

Does she have her own site? If she did would she command 1,000 members? I think so!

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by Jace

wow man....1000 members???? jesus....

I know established solo girl sites that never broke 500....i know a few sites out there that everyone thinks are gold mines that never broke 500 members

I cannot figure out why a well done site shouldn't get 1,000 members at like $20 a month? Some surfers own memberships to several sites.

Considering the volume of surfers and money spent someone is raking in the dough.

What also surprises me is I see new models every week. All ages too. I'm surprised at the number of older women in their 60s appearing on sites! Popular too!

I have no idea how these models are recruited unless it's just the growing population percentage wise. What do ya say to a chick to get her to model hardcore? I guess the same you say to get em' to walk a street corner.

People love porn or it wouldn't be a multi-billion $$$ industry. As the population grows so will the business I suppose. If we dropped prices would we get more members?

Let's say a site with 150 members at $30 a month dropped it's price to $15. Would they then jump to 300 members or more? Logically it appears that it would but if you have a high overhead I guess it wouldn't be equitable.

If I dropped my price to $5 I would have 10,000 crumbsnatchers piling through. Believe you me I know as I have a niche where the memberships get that high and higher and they told me right out to drop to that price not knowing that I would probably only be able to make $1 on each sale.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

There are a few programs you might look at for starlets.
NScash - Use Jace's refcode as he can get you more help that way.
Earlmillercash - If its starlet material Earl has shot it or will shoot it.
Twistyscash - Another rock solid high gloss program.

Thanks Gonz but I'm not looking for models. Believe you me I could make a model with some pizzazz an assload of cash on the comic book/superheroine/cosplay market.

At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge.

One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it.

Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times.

At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Thanks Gonz but I'm not looking for models. Believe you me I could make a model with some pizzazz an assload of cash on the comic book/superheroine/cosplay market.

At our conventions, a model to a comic can sell a fucking photo with an autograph and lipstick kiss for $30 and sell 1,000 in a few hours. On a 3 day convention of note she could walk away with $60k + and not even take her clothes off but that all depends on the books she's promoting. Heck, if I do a comic book cover alternative and autograph it I can make the same. That's why if you go to the comic book conventions nowadays you'll see armies of women in costume trying to get a gig. Some just show up and charge $5 for a photo of them with you. Guys eat that shit up. Due to time however the girls who really rate only make about $500 a day unless they get tips and guys shove $10s and $20s in their utility belts all day. I mean amateur chicks in some superheroine outfit they sewed together the night before. Even the girls in high school pull this shit off and buy iPods and stuff. It's a huge surge.

One funny story is a blonde I saw at a show in Vegas. She was fiiiiiine, slim, in a Japanese Manga outfit. Dudes were all over her. She took pics, charged $10, $20 a pic and kiss allll day. She was tall too like a Nordic princess. Then me being an artist noticed around 5 pm that afternoon that her upper lip had a wee bit too much fuzz on it.

Yep, she was a he and knew I caught on. He leaned over and told me he makes crazy money doing this shit and there were several other guys who do it too. He had me cracking up about how many hits he gets from guys AND girls and even MOTHERS of attendees! He used the money to help his parents and siblings as they were going through rough times.

At the sci-fi/comic conventions hotties show up from some of the R rated flicks but only a rare few from X rated.

Hehehe

Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=274027

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hehehe

Thanks for the tips but Ive been aware of that market now for quite some time. We invade in 2 weeks.

http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=274027

Yes, I know already. My guys run the comic book industry and conventions too. I may add some caution here, if ONE just ONE minor gets into one of your seminars or gets his or her hands on any 'memorabilia' you could be in trouble. Just be cautious. I'll send some of my boys over to say howdy to you if they can get away from autographing stuff and networking.

We should hook up one day and shoot the breeze.

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?

Jim “GonZo” McAnally is his real name

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Yes, I know already. My guys run the comic book industry and conventions too. I may add some caution here, if ONE just ONE minor gets into one of your seminars or gets his or her hands on any 'memorabilia' you could be in trouble. Just be cautious. I'll send some of my boys over to say howdy to you if they can get away from autographing stuff and networking.

We should hook up one day and shoot the breeze.

Now why don'tcha' tell us your real last name?

The likelyhood of either of those happening is slim to none.
DragonCon isnt compensating any of us to speak so I am just another attendee that is going to step out of the void a couple of hours.

Feel free to have them come on by. We are just regular folks.
My real last name is contained in that article as well as on record as the registrant of this domain.

"When you aint got nothing...you aint got nothing to hide."

[softball]

"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"

It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money.
Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

"the BEST thing a new site owner can do these days is do it all themself, build the traffic yourself, make the sales yourself....NEVER depend on affiliates for anything"

It has always been that way. I have been around for a long time now and just recently did an affiliate programme. Its ok, but my own marketing costs way less and earns much more. But it is travel money.
Cash programmes are not a good thing for any boutique web business. Cash programmes are good for cash programmes. I have done the numbers six ways to Sunday and they just don't make any sense. They do make sense if you are a bulk content provider which most of us are not.

You're right on some good points. I must be doing something right as I'm breaking sales records left and right and I haven't even started my affiliate program full swing yet. I'm just now installing the CC Bill program.

Traffic isn't always the key. A few years ago I got listed on The Hun. It was a nightmare! Gillions of hits and conversion was shitless. Just a bandwidth burner. For me, the lower the traffic the higher the sales. I'm so buried on mainstream comics stuff and other illustration stuff I didn't focus on traffic til this year. I kept away from the big traffic sites and the traffic brokers. They send traffic but it's not niche so it's worthless freeloader traffic. Traffic is either an asset or overhead. No gray area.

I'm sure I'll do far better affiliate wise as my test trial a few years ago. That was some GOOOOD money! Always came in, kept coming in, webmasters were happy.

I'll feel back to normal in a week.

I don't do content providing anymore. Only to an invitation only few who respect the work. I don't even charge em'. I do trades for traffic or computer parts or whatever barter is around. Somebody always has a cool hookup! Barter got me big hookups over the years. Don't knock it!

[annalogue]

Originally Posted by Jace

for a girl, $350 is VERY low...my wife used to get that just for a handjob

right now if we were to go back to porn valley my wife could get about $1500 per scene

$350/scene is chintzy as hell, but plausible if we're talking about fresh girls who has no idea what she COULD be making, nor any idea what kind of money they're making for the company involved. ... Which describes just about all the girls in the alt-porn market.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by annalogue

$350/scene is chintzy as hell, but plausible if we're talking about fresh girls who has no idea what she COULD be making, nor any idea what kind of money they're making for the company involved. ... Which describes just about all the girls in the alt-porn market.

It still baffles me that they'd work that low unless there's some benefit down the road like they appear on Bang Bus and then do a 'fan' circuit by appearing at bars and parties. I'd bet there must be a secondary market. $350, even $1,500 is like peanuts considering the widespread exposure. Don't think porn is only watched by a few. The only reason you don't hear about Bang Bus and all your other sites in popular culture like songs and tv, movies is because either the names are forbidden or the sites are competition. You'll hear them mentioned soon though for laughs. Kevin Smith's newest movie got real close.

[softball]

What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

What don't you guys understand? It is the law of supply and demand in full cry. Getting girls to have sex is easy as pie, hence it is not valuable. It is one of your minor costs.

Yeah, getting them to have sex is easy, escaping with your life is another!

I carry extra garlic, silver bullets, holy water, and that stuff you use on zombies in the video games.

They call it 'pussy' for a goooood reason:

All cats have claws.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Yeah, getting them to have sex is easy, escaping with your life is another!

I carry extra garlic, silver bullets, holy water, and that stuff you use on zombies in the video games.

They call it 'pussy' for a goooood reason:

All cats have claws.

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

I have been thinking the same thing this whole thread

[Greg B]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Keep drawing those toons. This is something you have no experience with, it appears. We are in a different business.

Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Greg B

Same business, different approaches and outlooks.

Wrong.