Max Hardcore Trial Outtake - "You Look Better with Puke on Your Face"

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Oh happy day....Emp and I agree.

So THAT's why there's snow outside my window!

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

I'd be interested in knowing how the ADA/religion battle turns out....
Personally, I think you need to carry the dog.
If I gotta put the cut curbs in, make my doors a certain width, put special padding around my special bathroom sink, make special shitter bars, put 2 never used handicapped parking spaces with loading zone per 20 in my parking lot, and every other damn ADA thing for that one wheel chair dude that comes into my store, then the Muslim gotta carry the damn dog.

...or the muslim can protect his personal freedom to refuse dogs by driving his personal car and not working in the taxi business. Nobody is forcing him to accept dogs in his car - UNLESS HE USES IT FOR A PUBLIC BUSINESS.

If I have to accept his wife covered from head to toe in a bedsheet in my store, he can accept a handicapped person's guide dog.

[gonzo]

yall might want to look at this court coverage on Max at AVN.

Looks like they are wanting to bust him for a distributor mailing a postal inspector DVDs that max had only produced. He didnt mail em.

http://www.avn.com/video/articles/30534.html

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Do the hard hats have to pass any kind of testing? Otherwise I see another opportunity here as well.

You guys got it wrong.....
the turban boys don't DIG in the sand...they hire Indians to do the work.
Turban boys just own the sand, and come over here and own 7-11s, and drive cabs. All part of the master plan to control the US by withholding the slurpies, and paralyzing the city's transportation when the time comes for a jihad.


Oh, I feel bad...what terrible stereotypes....

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by gonzo

yall might want to look at this court coverage on Max at AVN.

Looks like they are wanting to bust him for a distributor mailing a postal inspector DVDs that max had only produced. He didnt mail em.

http://www.avn.com/video/articles/30534.html

I read that last night, and it really does look like the state is reaching some fierce on this. If anything, the video company may be more likely to be on the hook. I also think that if the underlying charge (sending via mail obscene material) is knocked down, the rest of the house of cards falls because it would be outside of the jurisdiction of the court in Florida to look at.

The biggest risk? There is potential that the Max Hardcore servers were located in Tampa Bay area... which may still give them some jurisdiction in the case (but would almost certainly be something that would get appealed over and over to the top)

[Hammer]

What about the Muslim chick that worked at Walmart that refused to ring up a customer's order because she was buying pork products? Then she demanded that the conveyor belt be cleaned because the pork has touched it. Then to top it all off, eventually that Walmart stopped carrying pork products and started carrying produce that was specifically geared towards Muslims because they had a sizable Muslim clientelle. Time for some white folks to fly a fucking plane into that Walmart if you ask me.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I read that last night, and it really does look like the state is reaching some fierce on this. If anything, the video company may be more likely to be on the hook. I also think that if the underlying charge (sending via mail obscene material) is knocked down, the rest of the house of cards falls because it would be outside of the jurisdiction of the court in Florida to look at.

The biggest risk? There is potential that the Max Hardcore servers were located in Tampa Bay area... which may still give them some jurisdiction in the case (but would almost certainly be something that would get appealed over and over to the top)

does this mean its time to move servers off shore for a extra level of protection?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

does this mean its time to move servers off shore for a extra level of protection?

Thats bullshit if you think that will protect you. As long as you live here you can be potentially prosecuted. Same thing for offshore banking.

Ask Joe Francis.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

So THAT's why there's snow outside my window!

around here the moon turned to fire red.

[softball]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

You guys got it wrong.....
the turban boys don't DIG in the sand...they hire Indians to do the work.
Turban boys just own the sand, and come over here and own 7-11s, and drive cabs. All part of the master plan to control the US by withholding the slurpies, and paralyzing the city's transportation when the time comes for a jihad.


Oh, I feel bad...what terrible stereotypes....

You should. The guys I am discussing are Sikhs. Stop being such a stereotypical ignorant American.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

What about the Muslim chick that worked at Walmart that refused to ring up a customer's order because she was buying pork products? Then she demanded that the conveyor belt be cleaned because the pork has touched it. Then to top it all off, eventually that Walmart stopped carrying pork products and started carrying produce that was specifically geared towards Muslims because they had a sizable Muslim clientelle. Time for some white folks to fly a fucking plane into that Walmart if you ask me.

Business is business. BTW, it was white folks who flew the planes on 911.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Business is business. BTW, it was white folks who flew the planes on 911.

Saudis may be considered Caucasian but I'd hardly call them white folks.

[Trixie]

Okaayyyyyyyy . . . always good to remind myself why I stay off the boards. This is some ignorant, ugly shit, but of course I'd expect nothing less from RawAlex and Hammer. Bye guys! Have fun with your irrational, deluded, out-of-context supremacy trips. Always a waste of time trying to speak rationally with/around you.

[Buckwheat]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Saudis may be considered Caucasian but I'd hardly call them white folks.

Like I used to tell the Smothers Brothers, "Ya'll all look alike to me"

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Trixie

Okaayyyyyyyy . . . always good to remind myself why I stay off the boards. This is some ignorant, ugly shit, but of course I'd expect nothing less from RawAlex and Hammer. Bye guys! Have fun with your irrational, deluded, out-of-context supremacy trips. Always a waste of time trying to speak rationally with/around you.

I know it sucks. It's only ugly and ignorant because you choose to look at things based on the way you wish the world was rather than the way it is. There are any number of court rulings already out there, there are any number of laws out there, and providing laws are applied equally to all, the courts rarely strike them down just because it doesn't satisfy one person.

There is no supremacy trips here. Just a discussion of a reality you aren't liking.

Don't let the logic gate hit your ass on the way out.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Saudis may be considered Caucasian but I'd hardly call them white folks.

Look white as you....
As a matter of fact, I have blond hair and blue eyes,and pink skin. Maybe we are the last of the real "white" folks. The rest of you look strangely related to the Spanish...

[Hammer]

If you say so. Maybe they look white after they live in Canada for a while. All the Saudis I've seen have dark skin and black hair. Maybe you've confused Lawrence of Arabia with a real Arab.

As for Trixie, what the fuck got her panties in a bunch?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

If you say so. Maybe they look white after they live in Canada for a while. All the Saudis I've seen have dark skin and black hair. Maybe you've confused Lawrence of Arabia with a real Arab.

As for Trixie, what the fuck got her panties in a bunch?

You have dark skin and black hair. I am sure you consider yourself white. I have pink skin. I would guess that in the scheme of things I would be "whiter" than you. My experience with Saudis is from living in the Middle East. Let me ask you this......wait for it....are Jews white? Time is ticking and I have spent a lot of time in Israel.

[softball]

and as for Tasty, you will have to ask her.

[softball]

Dude, I had another look at your picture. I would hazard a guess that if I wrapped your dark face in a khafia, you would never get past airline security. I, on the other hand, was turned down at the last minute to travel to Pakistan to interview Osama Bin Laden because I couldn't fit in because of my blue eyes and blond hair and would be a security risk. That was a couple of years before 911. So please, one more time, tell me exactly what your definition of white is. In my books, you might not fit. That could be tragic for you living around all those non white Cubans. Or do you consider them white folks?

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Hammer

As for Trixie, what the fuck got her panties in a bunch?

Long story. Let's just say that Trixie doesn't like it when the real world gets in the way of doing whatever she pleases. It's the tough life of a self-name Web Whore when it's hard to seperate your personal life from running a business.

Once you throw that "limited" or "inc" or "llc" or whatever up there, suddenly the real world gets in the way.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I know it sucks. It's only ugly and ignorant because you choose to look at things based on the way you wish the world was rather than the way it is. There are any number of court rulings already out there, there are any number of laws out there, and providing laws are applied equally to all, the courts rarely strike them down just because it doesn't satisfy one person.

There is no supremacy trips here. Just a discussion of a reality you aren't liking.

Don't let the logic gate hit your ass on the way out.

You can't even identify what I'm referring to which is only further proof that you're a dumb fuck.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Long story. Let's just say that Trixie doesn't like it when the real world gets in the way of doing whatever she pleases. It's the tough life of a self-name Web Whore when it's hard to seperate your personal life from running a business.

Once you throw that "limited" or "inc" or "llc" or whatever up there, suddenly the real world gets in the way.

I don't like misogynists and bigots, I don't like self-righteous, judgmental morality police, and I especially don't like people who think it's cool to scheme about ratting out amateurs to the feds who live and work at home for not complying with 2257 to his liking. That is the "long story". RawAlex likes to point fingers at all the people he doesn't like who he thinks are threats to the industry because they aren't making the vanilla teen porn he likes and talk about how they should be shut down, not allowed to make money, censored, etc. He is a turncoat advocating for prosecution and persecution. That's the long story. He's a scary little simpleton.

[Trixie]

Originally Posted by Hammer

If you say so. Maybe they look white after they live in Canada for a while. All the Saudis I've seen have dark skin and black hair. Maybe you've confused Lawrence of Arabia with a real Arab.

As for Trixie, what the fuck got her panties in a bunch?

You didn't notice the grotesque turn of conversation in this thread? Of course not. But it does remind me that you're the judgmental prick who thinks my partner and I shouldn't be allowed to have kids because my partner is transgender.

I'm sure you think you're a "nice" guy and all, and maybe you are deep down, but seriously -- I would be embarrassed to have a stranger hop into this thread and think that I consider either you or RawAlex "colleagues". I want as much distance from the two of you as possible. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. I'm sorry I tried once again to have a rational discussion with either of you.

[softball]

I especially don't like people who think it's cool to scheme about ratting out amateurs to the feds who live and work at home for not complying with 2257 to his liking.

OK, Alex, this needs to be addressed. Serge Oprano tried this out on me and I was not amused. I have no idea who you are or what you do, but this is serious. What's up doc?

[RawAlex]

I see Trixie is up to her old tricks. Lose the argument, tar and feather the opposition.

He's a scary little simpleton.

I don't like misogynists and bigots

which is only further proof that you're a dumb fuck.

The rest is in the past, and Trixie only goes there because she isn't enjoying being beaten with logic.

[RawAlex]

Oh yeah, Trixie...

If you choose a lifestyle that isn't similar to everyone elses, if you are pushing past stereotypes, and if you are attempting to do things that the laws say you are not suppose to do, don't be shocked when you get resistance. We aren't all a bunch of misogynists and bigots, rather very normal people who don't have a great desire to toss all of our normal lives out of the window so that your unique situation can define everything for the rest of us.

Please understand, I am not attempting to make any of this personal. You have taken a discussion about facts and turned it into a pissing match. You might have been able to play bully games elsewhere, but you aren't going to have any lucky here.

Rhet, the 2257 thing at the end of the day involves someone disclosing a personal discussion in a private board to Trixie, even though they had agreed never to discuss what was in that private board. I expressed the opinion that people who bitch about the laws and then use a mailboxes Etc as their 2257 address as a primary producer might have a different opinion if they had to deal with the feds... the comment wasn't in the best of taste, but it was done in an area that I thought a few people would laugh about it, call me names and move on. Sadly, someone broke the "fight club" style agreement, and it went on from there.

It got worse from there.

Trixie has revealed her true self again in this thread, quickly sinking to insults, name calling, and attempts to shout me down. It will be a cold, cold day in hell before that will work on me anymore.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Trixie

I don't like misogynists and bigots, I don't like self-righteous, judgmental morality police, and I especially don't like people who think it's cool to scheme about ratting out amateurs to the feds who live and work at home for not complying with 2257 to his liking. That is the "long story". RawAlex likes to point fingers at all the people he doesn't like who he thinks are threats to the industry because they aren't making the vanilla teen porn he likes and talk about how they should be shut down, not allowed to make money, censored, etc. He is a turncoat advocating for prosecution and persecution. That's the long story. He's a scary little simpleton.

Oh and Trixie, sorry... but FUCK OFF. You don't know me, you don't know my tastes..

Guys, you want a funny story? trixie and her grilfriend were all pissed off because the credit card processors wouldn't allow them to run a site specifically about the girl having her period and showing the bloody tampons, masturbating while bleeding, and otherwise engaging in sex acts during the time of menstruation. The CC processors, at the direction of Visa and Mastercard, had (haven't checked if it is still current) a rule that said "no blood in porn". We all know that this is more typical to avoid gore, violence, etc... but their monthly period site got snagged and declined.

Trixie and company expressed an intent to go after the credit card companies (in a court of law perhaps) to attempt to force them to accept the site.

My opinion was simple: The credit card companies have a poor enough opinion about porn sites in general, there is no good reason to be picking a huge fight with them to get them to try to accept MORE extreme porn, as the chance is that they will instead come back and be even more restrictive in the future. IMHO, if 90% of the money is made in mainstream straight, gay, lesbian, and Transexual porn, why would you risk a huge pie in order to gain the last 1% at the end? The risk / reward on that is pretty low.

As has happened in this discussion, Trixie objected wildly that I was trying to limit her PERSONAL FREEDOMS. Do you see a trend here? I think she has all the rights in the world to open a menstruation porn site if she wants, but I think few people in the online porn world would want her picking a fight with Visa over it. Visa has set business rules (which do change from time to time, and perhaps that site now does have processing), and we the porn mongers must live with those rules. Nothing in Visa's actions stops anyone from exercising their right to free speech - but they retain their rights to not be commercially involved in it.

Trixie has a very hard time to tell her personal freedoms from life in business. If you don't agree with her, you get labeled misogynists and bigots, small minded simpletons, and as a lover of "plain vanilla teen porn".

Her reactions, well... they speak for themselves - freedom of speech only applies to Trixie, the rest of us can shut the fuck up.

[gonzo]

Personal freedoms and the business world rarely mix.
Visa has gotten big enough to do whatever they want. And they do.

Remember the entire party ends tomorrow if Visa decides to stop processing adult. Which I dont think is very likely. But then again the times are changing.

Whatever happens to Max will certainly be an indicator. And personally I think the case looks weaker and weaker against him daily.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Whatever happens to Max will certainly be an indicator. And personally I think the case looks weaker and weaker against him daily.

Even if this jury convicts there has been more than enough issues raised by the defense during the trial to be considered by a court of appeals.

[softball]

It got worse from there.

A fight broke out I understand. Invoking or provoking the feds is another matter. Everyone knows that boards are spider bait and are watched. I am not quite sure what you mean by the above quote, but it does not look good. A good rumble on a keyboard is fair game. Calling "the cops" is an instant disqualification in my books. Personally, I don't see anything laughable in that. Perhaps I am missing something.
The rest of the argument you guys are having or perhaps "continuing" is fair and square. Its this legal issue that disturbs me.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

A fight broke out I understand. Invoking or provoking the feds is another matter. Everyone knows that boards are spider bait and are watched. I am not quite sure what you mean by the above quote, but it does not look good. A good rumble on a keyboard is fair game. Calling "the cops" is an instant disqualification in my books. Personally, I don't see anything laughable in that. Perhaps I am missing something.
The rest of the argument you guys are having or perhaps "continuing" is fair and square. Its this legal issue that disturbs me.

Rhet, comment made in a private area of a board (about 10 people, suppose to be private and secret) and someone shared that communication with a third party out of anger. They broke a promise and disclosed information that should not have been disclosed. The comment didn't even directly involve Trixie. It wasn't something said in public, nor was it intended to be so.

Most importantly, it is entirely no relevant to this discussion, but rather is an attempt by Trixie to throw shit at me because she no longer has a valid point to make in the discussion. Mudslinging, name calling... we all know why she went there.

I leave it at that.

[Hammer]

Well, my skin right now isn't very dark but now that the summer is here I'll get tan again, however, if you'd ever seen me in person there is no way you could mistake me for an Arab. My skin is obviously brown from living in Florida and not it's natural condition and my hair is not black, but dark brown with some grey in it now and my eyes are green and my features are European.

But I'm baffled at this whole argument. Are you saying that you are 100% Arab blood because I don't' have to have lived in the Middle East to know that a blond blue eyed Arab must be a very rare site indeed. As for Jews, of course they're light skinned and many have light hair but since when is a Jew an Arab?

As for Trixie, I'm not sure why this conversation is offensive, we're just talking and as for her family life, what the fuck is the point of bringing up an old grudge in this thread. Has anyone seen me say anything about her family life? She brought it up just to start a fight I guess.

[Hammer]

Originally Posted by Trixie

You didn't notice the grotesque turn of conversation in this thread? Of course not. But it does remind me that you're the judgmental prick who thinks my partner and I shouldn't be allowed to have kids because my partner is transgender.

Why the fuck are you bringing that up? I didn't say anything in this thread about your so called "girlfriend". My opinion hasn't changed but this thread isn't about you.

And how can a thread take a grotesque turn when it was grotesque to start with or do you consider puking during sex to be a pleasant thing?

[Hammer]

My kids go to a private school with a large percentage of Middle Eastern children and I see those kids and their parents often. The thought that anyone could ever confuse anyone from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran or anywhere else in that part of the world with "white folks" is just plain funny.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Hammer

My kids go to a private school with a large percentage of Middle Eastern children and I see those kids and their parents often. The thought that anyone could ever confuse anyone from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran or anywhere else in that part of the world with "white folks" is just plain funny.

COMMIE BASTARD!!!

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

My kids go to a private school with a large percentage of Middle Eastern children and I see those kids and their parents often. The thought that anyone could ever confuse anyone from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran or anywhere else in that part of the world with "white folks" is just plain funny.

There are red haired blue eyed arabs around. They are called Circassians and they are all over Syria. But you missed the point in all of this. You were prattling on about white people vs "muslims" or something and lumped Pakistanis, Sikhs, and Arabs into the same mold. I believe it started with a turban discussion and that is what Sikhs wear, not Saudis. You differentiated them from "White" folks. I mentioned Jews, because in Israel, I have a very hard time distinguishing an Arab from a Jew. On the road I look at the license plates if I am interested.
You live around a bunch of refugee Cubans who are certainly no "whiter" than a lot of Arabs and Jews.
The point in all of this, is that your description of Arabs being non white is fallacious at best. The best was something about Sikhs in turbans digging in the sand like they came from the desert.
All in all a pretty poor knowledge of people who wear turbans or don't come from around here.....

btw, this lack of understanding is what got GW Bush back in the White House and into Iraq.

[Hammer]

I lumped all Middle Easterners into the same mold and I don't give a fuck if they wear a turban or not they ain't white folks. Here endeth my debate with you because it's a waste of my time and is accomplishing nothing. If you want to consider Cubans, Arabs, and Jews as "white folk" be my guest.

And I didn't bring up Saudis until you made your idiotic comment about it being "white folks" that flew the planes on 9/11 when everyone (I hope) knows that most of the hijackers were Saudis. Saudis are not "white foks" and that was the only point I made. You're the one that went off bringing Jews and your pink skin into it.

[Trixie]

I'm sorry I don't have the free time and patience to connect all the dots for those of you who can't do it yourselves, nor can I bring you up to speed on dialogues many people are having (and have been having for years) regarding constitutional rights, issues regarding regulation of business, sex, sex worker rights, blah blah blah so I guess those of you functioning on RawAlex's level can believe that I am the only person in the world with the perspective I've only partially tried (and obviously failed) to represent here. You can believe it has nothing to do with progressive, rational thought, and has everything to do with illogical hypersensitivity and my supposed personal inability to recognize ways in which the business and personal spheres are different. You will be wrong, but I don't have time to hold your hand through an apparently bewildering forest of contemporary thought and complex ways of thinking so enjoy your ignorance and straight, white, male supremacy trip that leaks out in so many directions whenever you post that you aren't even aware of it and can't even identify it when someone points it out to you.

If anybody reading this wants to know more about the menstruation/porn thing unskewed by Alex's perception of it, you can read one piece I wrote about it in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sex-Writi.../dp/1573443026

Until the next time I develop an uncontrollable urge to kid myself into thinking it's possible to have a sane discussion of complicated issues on one of these boards, enjoy your little bubble, boys.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I lumped all Middle Easterners into the same mold and I don't give a fuck if they wear a turban or not they ain't white folks. Here endeth my debate with you because it's a waste of my time and is accomplishing nothing. If you want to consider Cubans, Arabs, and Jews as "white folk" be my guest.

And I didn't bring up Saudis until you made your idiotic comment about it being "white folks" that flew the planes on 9/11 when everyone (I hope) knows that most of the hijackers were Saudis. Saudis are not "white foks" and that was the only point I made. You're the one that went off bringing Jews and your pink skin into it.

They do teach geography in American schools, don't they? India is 2 or 3 thousand miles from the middle east. That is where Sikhs are from...the guys with the turbans. It ain't the middle east. Its not a desert. The fact that you don't consider Cubans, Arabs, and Jews as white folks is a little disturbing to say the least.
It was a round about way to find out what you really think. Now we know.
As for ending the debate, be my guest. There never was a debate.

[Hammer]

Not sure what's disturbing about it. When I originally used the term "white folks" I wasn't using it to refer to Caucasians, I was talking about the kind of people that are referred to as "white folks" in the South. Now you're tying to make me out to be a bigot. But that's what trolls do I guess, try to get a rise out of people.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Not sure what's disturbing about it. When I originally used the term "white folks" I wasn't using it to refer to Caucasians, I was talking about the kind of people that are referred to as "white folks" in the South. Now you're tying to make me out to be a bigot. But that's what trolls do I guess, try to get a rise out of people.

Nothing to do with trolling. This is the world here, Hammer. As far as anyone reading this thread is concerned, unless perhaps they live in a little corner of the world you call "The South", you think jews, cubans, arabs, etc. ain't white and are believe India is in the Middle East. No wonder Americans are taking it on the chin around the world.
And as far as the troll thing goes, that is usually the last line of defense. Don't get even, get mad.

[Hammer]

Show me the post where I said Sikhs were from the Middle East. Show me the post where I said India was in the Middle East. You talked about the Sikhs early on in this thread. I never included them in any posts where I talked about the Saudis or the Middle East and the only reason I brought up the Saudis is because you made the stupid comment that "white folks" hijacked the planes on 9/11. Saudis may be Caucasian but they aren't "white folks" any more than Cubans are "white folks". A huge percentage of Cubans are actually black. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt that Arabs or Cubans would even appreciate being referred to as "white folks".

[softball]

I lumped all Middle Easterners into the same mold and I don't give a fuck if they wear a turban or not they ain't white folks.

there ya go

[Nymph]

Originally Posted by Hammer

Not sure what's disturbing about it. When I originally used the term "white folks" I wasn't using it to refer to Caucasians, I was talking about the kind of people that are referred to as "white folks" in the South. Now you're tying to make me out to be a bigot. But that's what trolls do I guess, try to get a rise out of people.

Did you take a drive over to Arcadia? Sounds like you been hangin' with the crackers over there

And don't get your tidy whities in a bunch, I'm just teasing, and I do understand what you meant.

[pam]

Originally Posted by tony404

does this mean its time to move servers off shore for a extra level of protection?

Ask Chris Wilson if hosting overseas helped him.

[softball]

I am outta this cracker barrel....
y'all come back now.

[tony404]

Originally Posted by pam

Ask Chris Wilson if hosting overseas helped him.

Well one of the things they are getting him on is a server in tampa. So its not a safe zone but could be one less charge.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by tony404

Well one of the things they are getting him on is a server in tampa. So its not a safe zone but could be one less charge.

The server company is in Tampa - is the physical server in Tampa as well? if so, then technically someone download from the server into Tampa wouldn't be importing anything, because it was already legally in the state.

[softball]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The server company is in Tampa - is the physical server in Tampa as well? if so, then technically someone download from the server into Tampa wouldn't be importing anything, because it was already legally in the state.

Now that is an interesting concept...