50 Most Influencial People in Online Adult

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I started the thread for a discussion.
It wasnt intended to piss on Bobs head. Like I said I like Bob.

He just not on my top 50 list. Like what I have to say matters anyhow.
Hell I wouldnt be on my top 50 list either.

Well I would also say that Personally, Gonzo has always been willing to lend a hand and help where he could too.

Picking a top 50 would be hard, I think more parameters would need to be defined in order to do so. I mean if someone is a crook and they influenced the biz are they a "top 50" over a hard working man that has always tried to be about businesss and do good by others involved? what are the standards here that is my question I guess. does money and profit mean "top" like in real life? or does integrity and workmanlike manner and honesty matter ?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by JoesHO

Well I would also say that Personally, Gonzo has always been willing to lend a hand and help where he could too.

Picking a top 50 would be hard, I think more parameters would need to be defined in order to do so. I mean if someone is a crook and they influenced the biz are they a "top 50" over a hard working man that has always tried to be about businesss and do good by others involved? what are the standards here that is my question I guess. does money and profit mean "top" like in real life? or does integrity and workmanlike manner and honesty matter ?

Things have a way of working themselves out in the end.
Im sure you can think of a few instances where this applys to me.

If you cant then . . . maybe Joe Francis knows.

[softball]

John Ashcroft?

[JoesHO]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

John Ashcroft?

Well by that logic, we would have to nominate Al gore, I mean after all he was responsible for inventing the internet and without it there could be no online porn at all!

[bluemoney]

I’ll take a pass on this one because I don’t have the history.

If I were to come up with my personal list it would have some people already listed here and contain the names of several mods from a few boards.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Hammer

I agree Joe, that Bob is certainly an influential force in our industry and has helped a lot of people and I personally owe a lot to Bob. Whether he's one of the 50 most influential people is what I think Gonzo was questioning.

Helping people is all well and good. Does that make someone influential on an industry level? I'd say no, many of the best affiliate reps out there help dozens of people every day.

Now candidly, back in the day, is there any innovation we credit to YnotBob? He basically picked up where Dokk left off in many cases. Dokk stuck with Ron, Bob landed with Ynot after the whole exodus followed by Rick selling to Andy Edmonds and then that falling apart. YnotRadio came along following Albumside when radio was all the rage.

How many people listen to ANY radio show now? What's a big crowd these days? 10? 15?

And Ynot itself? Well, that's one of, if not THE, original adult board brand, did it's numbers go up or down on Bob's watch? I have no true visibility to that, I only know what I observe from the outside.

Anytime you take someone who is a "business owner" of any type in this biz and then you hear they're taking something like a "marketing" or "affiliate rep" or similar low level position with another program, it's pretty obvious what is happening. Business owners dont do that just because they're bored. You do it because you've suddenly become a squirrel trying to find your nut.

All tha tsaid, I have nothing against Bob, dont really know him. That's the bad part of a thread like this....you probably inadvertently step on some toes.

[softball]

Dan from CamZ once called YnotBob an Icon of the porn business. That was just before he banned me from his board for pointing out Bob's blatant spam. No offense to Bob, but it was the death knell of Amateurmasters.

[Sexyteaser]

Here is my vote....


Francis Koenig for stepping up and validating the value of some adult companies that deserved it.

Shellee

www.sexyteaser.com
www.sexyteaserguys.com





Getting in the Skin Game

An entrepreneur tries to make it easier for everyone to profit from one of the economy's dirty little secrets.


By Paul Sloan, Business 2.0 Magazine editor-at-large
February 13 2007: 12:24 PM EST


(Business 2.0 Magazine) -- Wall Street is largely a boys club, a place packed with hypercompetitive tough guys proud to wear their machismo on their sleeves. Yet there's still one investment the Street is generally wary of: porn.
That's why Francis Koenig, a onetime Wall Street hedge fund executive now based in Los Angeles, believes there are riches to be made by matching investors with "adult entertainment" companies. He believes that plenty of people would back the industry if there were vehicles commonly available to do so.
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His reasoning is simple: Porn is a lucrative part of the American economy, hovering around $12 billion a year. And there are hundreds of porn outfits hungry for financing to become more than bedroom operations.
"There just hasn't been a good way to invest in this market," says Koenig, 31.
An opportunity for small-time investors?
He launched AdultVest late last year to change that. He's been courting investors and combing the country for small and medium-size porn businesses, some of which boast profit margins upwards of 60 percent. The response has been strong: Koenig says he's signed up well over 1,000 potential investors since January.
For now, he's catering to investors with big money, although he says his approach will eventually evolve to serve the investing masses. He's raising money for two funds: a $100 million fund that requires a minimum investment of $1 million, and a $10 million fund with a $100,000 minimum.
Accredited investors can sign up on AdultVest.com to qualify, and Koenig says people are signing up at the rate of 15 per day. Roughly 300 companies - including website-porn subscription businesses, escort services, and strip clubs - have registered. Investors can also use the AdultVest marketplace to hook up directly with companies.
Koenig has a good track record: The New World Partners hedge fund, where he was a managing director, posted double- and triple-digit returns through the late '90s - and he thinks similar returns are possible with porn. His funds are set up like any venture capital fund and will invest in a range of businesses, with a portion of each earmarked for buying and running strip clubs.
Adding some Wall Street finesse
The overarching strategy is to take majority stakes in businesses that AdultVest will then help manage and consolidate. Koenig won't say how close he is to raising the total $110 million, but to help the sell, he and his team won't charge any performance fee until the funds return 100 percent.
"There's never been big money from the outside," says Paul Fishbein, president of the leading porn trade tracker, AVN Publications, about the industry. "It's a logical next step."
Koenig is also working with large investors who are looking to take direct stakes in companies. Part of the pitch is that he ensures all investors total anonymity. "They're creating a market that's never existed in an industry that's highly private," says one Miami-based investor who's looking to back firms with $5 million to $30 million in revenue.
For all the skittishness about investing in adult entertainment, Koenig points out that the smart money is catching on.
Playboy, for example, recently acquired the far racier empire of porn star Jenna Jameson for $17.6 million. And in August, New Frontier Media, a pay-per-view video distributor, received a buyout offer from Warren Lichtenstein, a tough-as-nails New York hedge fund manager who's been going after companies he sees as ripe for turbocharged growth.
To Koenig, such moves show the promise of bringing Wall Street sophistication to what is now a supremely inefficient market.
In fact, he's had talks with several brokerages interested in syndicating deals to sell to their Main Street investors. "People just need to get less shy," Koenig says, "and they'll realize that there's silly money to be made here."

[Buckwheat]

I vote or Bill (pastie ass, ain’t got no muthafuckin reason to have such a shitty ass muthafuckin haircut) Gates . . . Dude is one Funky Hunky!

PS. Gotdamn I hate folowing a muthafukin infomercial.

[Allen]

On my own top 50 list I'd have to put BillPMB... He was the first guy preaching(and doing) about having great members areas for sites to ensure long term profits. That was an unpopular opinion in those days.

Anyone who remember members areas back in the day will know what I mean

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Allen

On my own top 50 list I'd have to put BillPMB... He was the first guy preaching(and doing) about having great members areas for sites to ensure long term profits. That was an unpopular opinion in those days.

Anyone who remember members areas back in the day will know what I mean

Is he still arond?

Haven't seen him, or Lisa for that matter, in ages....so I figured that program was long since tits up.

[Hammer]

ummm... Shellee, what the hell was that?

[softball]

Originally Posted by Buckwheat

I vote or Bill (pastie ass, ain’t got no muthafuckin reason to have such a shitty ass muthafuckin haircut) Gates . . . Dude is one Funky Hunky!

PS. Gotdamn I hate folowing a muthafukin infomercial.

Bill Gates is numero uno. Without him, we would all still be shining shoes.

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Bill Gates is numero uno. Without him, we would all still be shining shoes.

Or worse....using Macs.

[Allen]

HP,

Not really, but since I saw people mixing the past and present...

[Hell Puppy]

Originally Posted by Allen

HP,

Not really, but since I saw people mixing the past and present...

Yeah, we should really do that list too....I think that would be tougher....tough to bring it down to 50.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Allen

HP,

Not really, but since I saw people mixing the past and present...

The lists are good fun.
Thanks for you contribution!

I need to recap this thing later today and I think we are a long way from fiddy.

Anyone else want to contribute?

[Lisa]

Originally Posted by Hell Puppy

Is he still arond?

Haven't seen him, or Lisa for that matter, in ages....so I figured that program was long since tits up.

Still around...as is BillPMB and PornMegaBucks. Haven't had much to say so I haven't logged in for a while but I still read most days.

I think that would make me an official lurker.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Still around...as is BillPMB and PornMegaBucks. Haven't had much to say so I haven't logged in for a while but I still read most days.

I think that would make me an official lurker.

Google Analytics sees everyone from Vancouver to Australia.

[gonzo]

Heres a recap on what Im working with ....

Christie Hefner -- they are determined to be players in "new media"
Ron Cadwell -- along with paycom, these are the guys that keep the cash registers ringing.
whoever is at the helm at Epoch these days, Clay and Joel would definitely be on the "alltime" list if not going current.
Scott at AEBN -- the 800 pound gorilla in VOD and the one who brings most of what's at the local video store to the net.
Tony Morgan -- i would argue that NatNet sets the standard for hosting in our biz. And Tony Morgan himself sets the standard for how to run a business in this industry segment with class instead of sleaze.
Bang Bros -- Showing us all that quality original content pays mightily.
Jon Albright -- Fighting the shave and bringing a quality affiliate program to the masses.
Farrell Timlake -- lots of behind the scenes stuff with business and fighting the good fight, but even before that he brought John Q. Public's naughty home movies to the masses.
Joe Lackey -- although now most of the pieces of his business are owned by Playboy and he has bosses, there's undeniable influence still there and even more importantly he showed it IS possible to have a big time buy out of an adult business. Most normal web entrepeneurs go into it with the plan to be bought by Google, News Corp, Microsoft, etc...no such exit plans in adult, but he pulled off a multimillion dollar deal.
Kevin Blatt -- one of the very few non-business owners I would include. the guys ability to get himself on TV and radio and plug away is unmatched.
Jenna Jameson -- until someone unseats her she is the most well known star in adult and has crossover media coverage. what she does is largely how the outside world perceives all adult stars.
Paul Fishbein -- AVN is the largest industry news source and promoter of large shows that were the forebearer of the other shows we have seeminly weekly now.
Andrew Conru -- Love 'em or hate 'em, AFF is influential...not all influences are positive.
Gary Kremen -- I list this active simply because he's still in the media. But his past influence is huge. Without him being suckered by Steven Cohen and losing his domain during the most profitable years of it's existence we may have never really had true "ownership" of domains established in a court of law during the formative years.
Faye Sharpe -- AdultDex is the first adult trade show I remember, that alone should be worthy of mention. She, now along with Jay, continue to be the ones who tinker with the formula for adult industry conventions.
The Hun -- Influential? If he likes your stuff and promotes it, he can make or break a program. You convert or die under the weight of the traffic. On the other side of the fence, he's still responsible for probably more free porn than any one man and all of the impacts that brings to the business. Including an entire generation of webmasters who think fresh galleries with 20+ pics are the only way to make money in this business.
Larry Flynt -- I cant not mention Larry. His involvement in online is almost like a toe in the water. But he produces a ton of content, and his media and legal influences trickle down to all of us.
Tracy Lords. If it wasn't for her none of us would be dealing with 2257.
Slick Rick - founding Y-not, if not the first adult resource site certainly the first influencial one!
Andy Dunn - his tips and tricks newsletter was a GOLDMINE of information that influenced many
Helmy
Webfather - revolutionized the way people thought about domains
Ken Lawson - Bringing clients like Flynt Digital into the world of the web is certainly no easy task and you dont get cliens like that for not being able to make things happen. Most recently he was running GirlsGoneWild's affilaite program.
Add in his involvment with Jettis and most recently his massive sale of porn.com he gets my vote.
LAJ - Jay is one of the cornerstones of one of the first webmaster resource boards. Add in the facts that he is the organizer for Cybernet Expo and he represents Ynot,The Adult Webmaster and Netpond for advertsing needs makes Jay a real deal maker which in my book is a lot of influence.
Sorry Bob - hosting lobster parties on the beach and working for Steve Lightspeed doesnt make for much influence these days.
Oystien from MPA - Like em or not Mansion was he first cascading blling tool on the market as well as a CMS system. Even thought they lost a lot of steps by advertising the shave on shave off feature to rip off webmasters there are stil a lot of programs that swear by mansion. This on gets my vote more so for negative influence as well as having staying power in the business.
John Albright from Nats - The anti MPA. John stepped into the billing game touting 100% fraud free. When you represent the sheer number of programs NATS has runing that system they arry a lot of big stroke in my book. With the new CMS and additional tools as well as their quest of professionalism and accountability theres no wonder why you Id put John on this list.
DrinkingHard from GTS - Sheer amount of traffic brokered by GTS swings a lot of surfers eyes to his lit of clients. Hes brokering a lot of traffic for a lot of big sources. With traffic being more and more difficult to get that earns him a plce in the 50 for me.
Mike Wylde - Mike W sure is no stranger to Oprano and he was the first designer in the industry to set the bar for quality. Theres not a lot of press as there was in hte past for him but he continues to maintain the branding and marketing for several major clients.
Johnny V - He works for Wildline which is an aggregator of Yahoo traffic. And he is highly accesible to this industry. SE traffic still remains gold and a friendly face in the right place to make that happen gives him a place on this list.
Steve Lightspeed - If your talking solo girl sites then Steve has continud to set the bar for how they are sucessfully marketed and branded in this biz. Solo girls are tomorrows stars. Steve seems to have a good handle on that segment of the business and makes mucho dinero.
Dean Capture - Dean is to the web what Earl Miller is to Penthouse. Setting the bar HIGH on glam shots and taking the industry out of poorly lit and shitty staged shoots Dean represents what I think is the glamourous side of this business and what he future holds.
Meat and Aga - Netpond is another of the first webmaster resources and these guys have a lock on the European webmaster's eyes. They are the face hat many people in this industry first see outside of the US. Add in the myriad of programs they have hiding in background makes them a strong force for the future.
Hooper - Like him or not he is responsibile for stirring up more shit in this industry that crossed the lines over into mainstream. His Isearch network with the popups and etc held most of our computer transfixed for at least 18 months. Now with the 100% transparency product that quickbucks is touting it only makes me wonder if "fucking the surfer" is the only thing they have in mind.


Ill be sure and share with you how I package this up in the end and of course it will be open for revision.

[JoesHO]

If that is your compiliation list, I guess you did not like my additions or input .

It seems they did not make the compilation

[Sharpie]

ADULTDEX :-) Our first try as a tradeshow company. Learn as you go, and we sure learned a lot:-) I am surprised that many people were around in 1995. Those were sure some great memories! 10 yrs of Cybernet.... maybe it is time for retirement:-)

[Doktor_Scarecrow]

hmmmm.....lets see here....just right off the top of my head, if we are talking entertainers, I would have to say............................................... ..............SQUIRTING CARLY! and that's all.



I'm just fucking with you. While she's the most important in my mind, others that come to mind are Christine Young, Liz Vicious, Naughty Nati, and Sweet Kara......and I'm done.

Have a dark day,
DoKtOr ScArEcRoW

[Jace]

Originally Posted by Doktor_Scarecrow

hmmmm.....lets see here....just right off the top of my head, if we are talking entertainers, I would have to say............................................... ..............SQUIRTING CARLY! and that's all.



I'm just fucking with you. While she's the most important in my mind, others that come to mind are Christine Young, Liz Vicious, Naughty Nati, and Sweet Kara......and I'm done.

Have a dark day,
DoKtOr ScArEcRoW

ok, look man, I am not trying to scare you off in any way or insult your intelligence

this is an adult BUSINESS forum....meaning, 99.9% of us that post here work in the adult industry and we conduct business within the adult industry here

not saying fans aren't a great thing and all, we love every last fan of our girls and sites, but your praise of performers will probably fall on deaf ears

there is a great forum on oprano for porn fans here http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/forumdisplay.php?f=45

you might also check out www.freeones.com, it is a whole community of porn fans
check this thread out about carly
http://board.freeones.com/showthread...ight=squirting

[Doktor_Scarecrow]

No disrespect, but i'm getting tired of being told what I can and cannot post. Gonzo said that I could hang around if I liked. After all, the title was 50 most influential people on online adult. SO I threw my three cents in that's all. Maybe I should just quit posting here altogether, and be banished to one of those message boards where NOBODY responds. Damn. I'm just a freakin fan here.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Doktor_Scarecrow

...I'm just a freakin fan here.

Exactly, so keep that in mind when making replies in BUSINESS topics.

[Rcourt64]

Originally Posted by Doktor_Scarecrow

No disrespect, but i'm getting tired of being told what I can and cannot post. Gonzo said that I could hang around if I liked. After all, the title was 50 most influential people on online adult. SO I threw my three cents in that's all. Maybe I should just quit posting here altogether, and be banished to one of those message boards where NOBODY responds. Damn. I'm just a freakin fan here.

There not ready yet

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

You can find a general Timeline on the History of Porn as well as an ongoing list of industry firsts here.

Missing from your timeline is June 2000- first public sale of the Virtual Sex Machine.

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

Dan from CamZ once called YnotBob an Icon of the porn business. That was just before he banned me from his board for pointing out Bob's blatant spam. No offense to Bob, but it was the death knell of Amateurmasters.

You really are the center of your own little universe, aren't you?