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In my web career , I have owned a the biggest board at the time (Netpond) , the biggest Click Broker at the time (Traffic Inc) and have been Traffic Whale by even Slaviks standards...
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its greener over here, for sure. i definitely dont want to own a paysite or an adult board.
and besides the grass may be greener, but id still pay the neighbor kid to cut it
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I wouldn't call 10 a day a whale, but 10 a day webmasters are certainly higher up the ranks than they were a while ago ...
And slavik, where did you get the info that 50 a day doesn't even put you in the top 5? I would have assumed there weren't many programs left with 5 webmasters doing more than 50 a day ... just because the cream is spread so thin between so many webmasters/programs these days ...
Our biggest SH webmaster did 300 a day ... we had around 10 who did between 150 and 200 a day ... but you never tell your biggest webmaster they are your biggest  
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I wouldn't call 10 a day a whale, but 10 a day webmasters are certainly higher up the ranks than they were a while ago ...
And slavik, where did you get the info that 50 a day doesn't even put you in the top 5? I would have assumed there weren't many programs left with 5 webmasters doing more than 50 a day ... just because the cream is spread so thin between so many webmasters/programs these days ...
Our biggest SH webmaster did 300 a day ... we had around 10 who did between 150 and 200 a day ... but you never tell your biggest webmaster they are your biggest
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300???
Betcha it only showed 100!!!!
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My tweo cents is I would take all the 10 joins a day people I can muster, and be damn glad to have them.
of course I would like bigger whales too, however they always seem to have who they are gonna send trafic to picked out already
and no matter what you do to get them to look at you or talk to you, they always gfeel you are a newbie and not worth their time, cause all the " big established players" are chasing them so why do they need to talk to you ?
and smaller programs seem not to be able to compete for the limited whales
so my thought is give me a net full of regular fish so we can grow together, ( as they make money from my program, then they can utilize the cash flow to build their capabilites as well ( hence become my own whale instead of someone elses whale)
connections in this business do not always need to be with big guys, if you can get smart guys that are coming up ( pet the mean dogs when they are puppies) they will enevitably be closer to you than to the guys that shunned them and tried to keep them down is my thoughts.
I know guys that talk down to me, will never be the guys I look to to do business with... I would assume it is that way for most of us .
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Most progams seem to get the fact that there's more competition out there and they need to treat their webmasters well. Someone sending 3 sales a day...if the program is making say 30 bucks off each sale, thats 90 a day..just under 33 grand a year profit for the program owners...so taking the time to give them support, custom ads, or to "go after" someone just to get a couple sales a day is time well spent. If you go over the top and have some custom ads done or some programming done for a webmaster, and it puts 100k in your bank account over the course of a year or two...that's time and money well spent.
Some of the big programs just dont have the management giving a shit about the longterm $ from smaller webmasters....and thats something they heads of the company needs to really drill into the support peoples head. For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
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For example clickcash....they don't even answer the phone or return my calls and I do around $10k/mo with em.
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Surely this can't be true????
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I dunno...
I went back to selling my ass...
But... I could prolly still get more than 10 joins a day if "someone" gave me just a wee tiny little traffic feed
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i want to get a big harpoon and bring all the whales in.
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Geez, before I read this I was all happy with my 10 sale a day affiliates. Especially since yesterday one brought in 11 sales just from one gallery listing. Now I'm all depressed.
Though I agree with Joe in that a lot of little sales add up and I'm very happy for the affiliates I have, but I would love to have a heavy hitter or two in the mix.
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a big hitter can kill your whole program by simply pulling all their traffic away thus sending your CBs sky high.
you never want a single affiliate to account for more than 15% of your biz
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but if you do catch a big hitter, you better take good care of him.
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Most progams seem to get the fact that there's more competition out there and they need to treat their webmasters well. Someone sending 3 sales a day...if the program is making say 30 bucks off each sale, thats 90 a day..just under 33 grand a year profit for the program owners...so taking the time to give them support, custom ads, or to "go after" someone just to get a couple sales a day is time well spent. If you go over the top and have some custom ads done or some programming done for a webmaster, and it puts 100k in your bank account over the course of a year or two...that's time and money well spent.
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you used the numbers 3 sales a day as your example so I'll use the same ...
you said 3 sales a day = $90 for the program a day which is $33k profit a year.
where do you get the idea that 3 sales equals $90 profit? profit is how much the program makes after everything is paid, not how much is billed to the customer ... If an affiliate is paid 50%, that's $45 income per day for the program (assuming that all 3 signups even spend $30, which is extremely unlikely).
From that $45 comes cost of content, hosting etc, so the program owner may be left with $20 ... $10 ... $5 ...
then if there's a chargeback or a refund, the program owner is out of pocket the $30 ...
The lack of understanding between affiliates and affiliate programs causes so many issues ... how can the 2 sides of the business work in partnership if an affiliate thinks his 3 sales makes the program $90? I'm not saying you should know every detail about the business model but understanding how your sponsor makes their profit goes a long way to helping the relationship along ...
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There is a reason for this in most cases ... the longterm $ aren't what you think they are, and are usually short term headaches ... In the case of clickcash, if you do $10k a month in business with them (or ANY consistent amount) they should show you the courtesy of treating you better than it sounds like they are, but many affiilates - and you definately fit this description - think the program will fall over without them & try to throw their weight around accordingly ...
you mentioned how much competition there is these days, and its not just in programs - there's competition in affiliates too. If you don't send me your traffic, there's 10 webmasters doing exactly what you are doing who might send me their traffic ...
There's several ways to approach having an affiliate program, some go for saturation and try to get every single webmaster - which guarantees volume, but your webmasters are competiting against each other & affiliate support is a nightmare - the affiliate thinks its your fault that another webmaster took their SE spot or whatever. There's only so many spots in search engines for the key terms that relate to a sponsors site (especially in niches) ...
mailers are a good example too - if you have 10 mailers each with a 10 million list, that's 100 million emails ... according to this http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm there are only 800 million people online ... probably half of which don't speak english, even more who we don't have billing methods for etc ... eventually your webmasters are just mailing/promoting over the top of each other.
With all that said, 5 - 10 a day webmasters are my favorite group to work with ... they have enough volume that it is a profitable relationship for both parties, and are usually easier to work with ... & won't ruin your program if they lose their SE spots or leave the program.
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Surely this can't be true????
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not shir about 10 being a whale, but ppl over look the smaller guys who send 2 -3 joins a day.... If one has a group of 25 webmasters/affiliates sending 2 joins a day that = 50 a day...Within time and getting more and more affiliates that # keeps going up. I normaly tend to keep my eye out for the smaller guys and create good relationships with them, that way as they build more traffic so do I. You never know when one of those smaller guys will all of sudden be sending you 100+ a day. I know, it happend to me 
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This is a damn good thread.
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I had a traffic minnow.
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I agree on taking care of the little guys as much as bending over backwards for our whales. Our mainstream program have guys sending in over 300 sales a day. We give them pretty much whatever they want, but I also try to accomadate those who send 10 or less.
You never know when the guy who sends 5 a day this month, gets good at his traffic and sends 100 a day the next.
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Geez, before I read this I was all happy with my 10 sale a day affiliates. Especially since yesterday one brought in 11 sales just from one gallery listing. Now I'm all depressed.
Though I agree with Joe in that a lot of little sales add up and I'm very happy for the affiliates I have, but I would love to have a heavy hitter or two in the mix.
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ummmmm sorry Red...but if you throw them up , I'll smack them down.
This is after all Oprano.
The no spin zone.
Red , your prize winner sent 112 joins in yr contest time period , which was 30 days , I believe.
""""February 28, 2005 We've Got A Winner!!! Congratulation to Phil from BHE with 112 signups during the contest period. Your new IPOD is on the way"""""
I make it that yr top affiliate averages 3- 4 sales a day...not 10 ;-)
But I really want to get you working for me when I open next mth , cause if you can get people to send traffic to sites like yours with more traffic links than an open index , whatever they are paying you, it is not enough ;-)))
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I agree on taking care of the little guys as much as bending over backwards for our whales. Our mainstream program have guys sending in over 300 sales a day. We give them pretty much whatever they want, but I also try to accomadate those who send 10 or less.
You never know when the guy who sends 5 a day this month, gets good at his traffic and sends 100 a day the next.
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Gotta say ,Anthony and his peolple take good care of me whilst I experiment with traffic and really do bend over backwards for my crazy ideas and needs.
And I don't think its just cause we are family , I think they'd do it for everyone.
Loads of others in the same game are not so accomodating....so when it works , guess where its going?
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OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*
As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed which does not have a ton of leaks.
But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
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Nick,
OK, I should have said 10 sales a day affiliate and not affiliates. The morning I saw this post one of my webmasters had already had 10 sales and I was elated thinking it was terrific until I started reading the thread. I admit, that was my only 10+ sale for one day. I just didn't want everyone else to know that. *hanging my head in shame*
As it turns out, he ended up with a lot more than 10 sales that day, his sales were on
Valerie Exposed which does not have a ton of leaks.
But you're right, I shouldn't have exaggerated, I'll just be happy with my couple of sales a day webmasters and shut up.
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Serge/Ron , hell even myself made money by doing this:
Red - Fuck you Nick!! You fat fuck , its calculated on a special logarithym
Nick - What a special shave algorithme?
Red - Well at least I pay webmasters Nick , not like you..
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Good bit of research!
I must say , that makes sense , the only person that would send traffic to those sites would be an owner. LOL
In fact they are sites only the owner could love!!
ummm...Oh Red.....
Thats the sorta stunt I'D pull!!
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