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Freehold, New Jersey, 03/24/2008 – Naked Rhino and NR Media have, with great fanfare, announced their motion to amend their
complaint in the lawsuit pending against Too Much Media in federal court in New Jersey. They have obviously sought to gain from publishing false statements what they have not been able to gain after a year and a half of litigation. In either reviewing the proposed amended Complaint, which our lawyers will vigorously oppose the motion to allow its filing, or any postings related to it, please remember the source – Naked Rhino and NR Media. Also, be aware of certain facts which have come out in the litigation. 1. Chris Petoski, the president of NR and NRM, in testimony has admitted cursing and hanging up on John Albright after John Albright telephoned him to find out why affiliates have not been properly paid. 2. NR’s former technical director has testified that the accounting for affiliate rebills was flawed, not because of a problem with NATS, but because of his use of an erroneous password. Petoski was aware of this but refused to make required corrections. 3. Until this day NR and NRM have not correctly paid affiliates what was owed them for rebills since well before the lawsuit started in August 2006. 4. NR and NRM have not set aside money to pay the affiliates when the litigation ends. 5. NR and NRM, in transferring its affiliate tracking software from NATS to Epoch’s Hosted MPA solution chose not to pay what Petoski testified was $5,000-$10,000 for the software necessary to keep track of its obligations to affiliates and sales generated prior to the transfer. 6. Jason Tucker, a member of No Rivals Media, the successor to NR and NRM, has stated with regard to the proposed amended complaint: “I was not consulted nor do I think this makes any sense. My 2 cents: someone in this case appears to be continuing the process of avoiding life and well…certain responsibilities” The proposed amended complaint was drafted by an attorney who has now moved to be relieved as counsel for NR and NRM after representing them for just six weeks. NR and NRM will now ask the court to allow them to have their fourth counsel who just happens to be the counsel for Mansion Productions, the maker of Too Much Media’s prime competitor, MPA3. Coincidence? In that proposed amended complaint NR and NRM seek to join together two completely unrelated events – NR’s and NRM’s refusal to deal with their rebill problems in August 2006 and the security breach experienced by TMM in 2007. Too Much Media has been up front about the occurrence of this security breach and has taken corrective measures. Be aware – no credit card information was taken from any servers nor was any private data taken off Too Much Media’s servers. No private data in fact rests on Too Much Media’s servers. The NATS program and all of its data rests on client servers with access by TMM limited to maintenance and support applications. Despite statements made in the proposed amended complaint, the security breach has not, apparently, continued, as TMM has received no related complaints since December. TMM is very much aware of its obligations to the industry. It was that feeling of obligation which led to John Albright’s call to Chris Petoski in August, 2006. Think of it – what did John Albright or TMM have to gain by picking a fight with NR, NRM or Petoski? It’s that same feeling of obligation which has caused TMM, on a monthly basis, since 2005, to deliver a CD containing the updated NATS source code and a list of current clients to its attorneys for safekeeping. In the unlikely event anything happen to TMM, its NATS customers are protected. Lawsuits are meant to be tried in courts. Because, however, NR, NRM and their friends have sought to use various media outlets to try to harm NATS and Too Much Media, a response was required. We can only hope and request that you be objective and fair in considering all related communications. About Too Much Media - Too Much Media is a New Jersey based Internet Technologies Solutions Company, providing affiliate, content, and RSS feed management software solutions to both mainstream and adult internet-based businesses. Too Much Media’s ever-growing product line was created by and for industry leaders and continuously evolves to set the bar for all products, present and future. With excellent product support and easy-to-navigate user interfaces, Too Much Media provides solutions that are second to none and continues to forge ahead as the industry leader in affiliate management software solutions. |
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Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
Just my opinions, for all they are worth:
1) Considering John Albright's outbursts on public message boards, I think it would be safe to assume that any phone call that involved cursing was not a one sided call. 2) NATS has plenty to gain from "picking a fight", specifically if they found a company who had anything but perfect accounting or other issues related to stats tracking. NATS has staked it's entire reputation on being the uncheatable no shave affiliate solution, so proving their reputation by taking on this program would be to their benefits 3) Non-payment of affiliates is, in many ways, not an issue that NATS should be concerned about, except that perhaps this disagreement puts NR in the position to not have access to the information to make those payments. I certainly don't take sides in the issue, I was not an affiliate of NR (nor did I have any intention of being one), but I have a feeling that there is three sides to this story and the one we will never hear is the complete truth.
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I would have hired a PR person to write this....
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Yup, it's why I have a feeling that the whole truth and nothing but will never really come out, both sides appear to have an agenda and issues, and that is usually a pretty difficult situation to squeeze the truth out of.
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Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
Jason Tucker.....again, and again, and again....
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Heres a few updates that found their way into my big bag...since no one is talking... read the legaleze and you decide.
Chris Deposition http://www.sendspace.com/file/9u85wx Brandi Love Deposition http://www.sendspace.com/file/dnlf5y Tsai Depo part 1 http://www.sendspace.com/file/4xv39s Tsai Depot part 2 http://www.sendspace.com/file/ctg3y4 Deposition of Charles Berrebbi: http://www.sendspace.com/file/usfgqm
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I am reading the first one (Chris) and I have to say this is quite a fun read. If nothing else, this whole process is shedding light on exactly who is dealing with who and how. It also exposes the incredible casualness of the adult industry.
This is reading for a month, there appears to be some true humor in all of this.
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Re: Too Much Media vs. NR Media....
Interesting...
...so NRM became aware of the CCBill rebill reporting issue back in Aug of '05 and Chris gets all pissy on the phone with John in Aug of '06 when it still hadn't been taken care of a year later.
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If you take Chris's view, it would appear that he got pissy basically because John wanted to go into NATS and assign payable values to webmasters, at his own discretion. But that is what I got from reading Chris' deposition.
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Blake on the other hand details several conversations with Chris regarding the repulls being done over time to avoid serious cash flow issues. I guess it comes down to which story you find more credible.
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When a solution was presented for making the necessary data available so that affiliates could be paid, and it was summarily dismissed, that pretty much tipped the scales for me.
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Im on the side of the truth.
Im still trying to get my head around this fact. Half a million dollars in one year amd the affiliates still havent been paid yet? Unless Im missing something John was going to open access so they could pay out in hopes of resolving this dispute? Its going to take all weekend to digest this becasue I cant get past the fact that affliates STILL havent been paid. Why? I can see Chris's arguement that we pay NATS to keep us straight - even though NATS is a cascading billing system in reality. Why havent affilaites been paid after 2 years?
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Several of us are still digesting these PDFs... have another point that I dont understand...
The suit claims $5 million dollars worth of damage based as the company's value. I ask along with the lawyer why Blake/Amy were only paid $5000 for their 50% ? This doesnt add up either.
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From what I could understand, NATS wasn't so much going to give access as "provide numbers" or provide a limited dataset access.
Where I get a little confused on all this is Blake and the 9 epass accounts. Were the rebillings occurring and then all getting paid off to Blake instead of to the webmasters? Was Blake using his access to the systems to somehow skim rebills? Is there a theoretical half million sitting in an account somewhere unpaid, or was it filtered off to someone else? If the totals still added up, why would NATS get involved? Where did the money go? On the other side of the coin, the amount claimed is steep, but if the company was turning half a million a year, it is ALMOST justifiable. But then the $5000 buyout for 50% of the company sort of negates it, unless Blake and Amy were getting paid in some other manner (see the "shave" above). In the end, even if NR was a pretty weird setup, there is likely very little way to excuse John's outbursts on the boards which almost certainly tarnished some reputations.
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I was wondering the same thing. Where is all that money that hasn't been paid to affiliates?
Plenty of things in there that just don't add up right. Far more new questions raised than old questions answered. Quite a few veiled accusations tossed about with little or no hard evidence that any funds were misappropriated.
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If you dont think both parties are reading this thread you are wrong.
Anyone want to comment or are you going to both keep us in the dark? My mailbox gets more interesting things as time goes on. I WILL POST THEM.
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Its ok Graham... apparently Jason had USA Today snowed too!
"Jason Tucker was a mainstream film producer frustrated by Hollywood's bureaucracy and resistance to change. "No one was willing to take a risk on new ideas," he says, explaining his decision to start a profitable Internet company that sells technology to porn Web sites" "Playa Solutions, the company started by former movie producer Tucker, has developed software that wraps digital content in a high-tech force field of sorts. When the user presses play on a video clip, for instance, a computer system that controls the content is electronically notified. The system asks for a payment or lets viewers see the clip if they agree to watch ads. The process has tested successfully in the adult industry and has drawn interest from music and movie companies, Tucker says." "People are less likely to gamble in the mainstream," Tucker says. "Hollywood doesn't like taking chances. If you fail there, you're gone." Where is Playa solutions these days?
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Another dead carcass by the side of the information highway. You have to give this guy credit though, he does throw a ton of stuff at the wall.
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not sure where they got those #'s, but from what I understand blake and amy got nothing whatsoever when they split ways from chris and brandi
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Anyone got any further?
I see 2 things so far. They havent paid affiliates after 2 years and Jason Tucker saw another way to make what he thought was easy cash by forcing that couple out of a job. I guess you reap what you sow. Big bag tells me that his personal life has taken a turn for the worse as well. Something about no more "sugar" and being cut off from Momma. Oh well. I guess he always will have Porn Kings.
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Then again... I guess he might not have NATS running at porn kings....at least licensed.
http://nats.pornkings.com/license.php
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He likes to hear himself talk.
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I attended the Xclusviecash party there a few years ago. Ask Blake and Amy if Im right.
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on Blake setting up 9 affiliate accounts total over $209K....it's a common for program owners that uses NATS to create multiple accounts within their systems testing, tracking accounts get setup .. Chris testified that he didn't know how to use NATS and nor did Brandi so who would be setting up NATS.. but when the final question was asked to Chris was $209K paid out to Blake.. No it was never paid out, even though he made it sound like $209K was somehow paid out to 'strange accounts' that Blake set up
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it would of never happened anyways since Chris's wife cut ALL the checks. So since epoch /ccbill pays to NR logical location for that '$209K would still be at NR
as far as $5k buy out.. what's funny is both Chris and Brandi said the Blake/Amy was employee but yet they own almost 50% of the company. Do you think anyone will walk away from a company that gross that kind of money for $5K 'willingly' ? |
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What the children seem to forget is the number of laws that have been broken.
At some point, some clever prosecutor is gonna get wind of these filings, and make a name for himself exposing the "corruption" in the adult industry.
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I think he is asking: What is your interest in all this? You have been quite vocal about it. Do they owe you money? Do/did you have to change out a shit load of links? What exactly is your stake in this whole thing?
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Those depos and the missing ones are pretty telling and I think we have only just begun with this. Latest quote I heard was that the new allegations were NOT about paying webmasters -whom have been owed for 2 years - but are about mitigating damages to Naked Rhino. Even AFF is smart enough to pay off some webmasters but I cant even begin how to fathom the logic of not paying your promo partners or thinking that anyone will ever promote them again.
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Hmm, so Jace can't answer for himself anymore eh? Except for smilies I guess.
I haven't seen it that way. I do not know any of the folks involved in any way so have no idea about any of them except what I got from the depos (and I read all of them all the way through). From the start of this, Jace has been slamming on Chris and Tracy. He acts as if he has inside info, has no apparent personal stake in it and still continues to feed the innuendo machine. So, I think it is a fair question. If he is on the side of the truth, then he should not be so one sided about it. Just imho of course.
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Im not. I just cant see any excuse for several things that Ive read so far. The main one being not paying affiliates. Maybe theres something left out that I havent seen yet.
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