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Originally posted by Peaches@Nov 10 2003, 05:10 AM
My mother is an OB-GYN nurse midwife who works at two hospitals and teaches classes at two colleges in town.
I've spoken to her at length about this. Her experience (and she's been either an OB-GYN nurse or a nurse midwife for almost 35 years) has been that mothers who have late term abortions are NOT doing it for birth control. Everyone she's ever dealt with has wanted the baby desperately, spent a lot of time agonizing over the decision and were devastated that it had to end that way. In every case the child would not have lived outside the womb and many could have caused the mother to die or require major surgery if she had continued to keep the baby until full term.
The new law is obviously very arbitrary regarding what they consider "the health of the mother" exception as proven by judges who KNOW the law filing against it. My Mom made the point that the women who are having late term abortions performed for birth control will do exactly what the women who want early term abortions performed will do if they were outlawed - they WOULD find a doctor to perform them.
It's not a pretty thing for anyone to have to deal with, but again, I'm going by what she's telling me and she has no reason to lie. They are necessities in every situation she's witnessed and I find it hard to believe the rest of the country is that much different.
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I couldn't imagine being a woman that had to go through that. Feeling the baby moving as it's neck is being cut open and brain being sucked out. Isn't the fact that the baby is alive and moving enough to try and help it survive? My son was 6 weeks premature. I remember being able to hold him in just one hand.. he was so small. The partial birth abortion babies are much bigger. I don't understand this.
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Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 10 2003, 08:13 AM
I agree. It's amazing how they do this. They pull the baby out by it's legs. Leave the head in the vagina while they cut open the back of the neck with scissors. Then they use the suction tube to suck the babies brain out. All this while the baby is flailing it's arms and legs.
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Squirt.... (I knew you would have pics, so I jumped past them without looking)...
The description you wrote is graphic enough to convince most people.....
and in most cases, when it comes to partial birth abortions, I believe you are preaching to the choir.....
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do you always inhale when you suck cock?
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do you always inhale when you suck cock?
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I heard he gargles.
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do you always inhale when you suck cock?
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Don't you?
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Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 10 2003, 08:24 AM
Well I think the pictures document the reality of it and leave nothing to the imagination.. which is important when discussing human life/death. People can have moral/ethical discussions.. but when you see the result of peoples actions.. it puts things in perspective.
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Perhaps so....
But in reality, the "in your face" attitude and tactics that are used by the "right gto lifers" is what loses the argument for them many times....
We are intelligent people for the most part, capable of making decisions, capable of reasoning....
When shit is shoved in my face, I will often just turn the other way....
I do not need to see every bad thing in the world to know they are bad....
Besides, a textual description and one's own imagination can usually give a much more disturbing picture than reality ever can.....
just imo of course.....
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Originally posted by Squirt@Nov 10 2003, 09:19 AM
I couldn't imagine being a woman that had to go through that. Feeling the baby moving as it's neck is being cut open and brain being sucked out. Isn't the fact that the baby is alive and moving enough to try and help it survive? My son was 6 weeks premature. I remember being able to hold him in just one hand.. he was so small. The partial birth abortion babies are much bigger. I don't understand this.
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It's major surgery and most mothers are under general anesthesia when it's done. These are babies that are barely alive and most mothers were made aware of the situation because the babies WEREN'T moving. They WEREN'T developing correctly.
If you think this is bad, then imagine these same mothers going through labor at 9 months, going through the birth process fully conscious and then watching their baby die within minutes or hours. Some also have the possibility of dying or needing surgery which will prevent them from having children in the future.
One of my HS friends had a partial birth abortion many years ago. It was her 2nd child which had a horrible disease where the brain had not formed past a few months which kept it from surviving without being attached to her through the umbilical cord. She had given birth to a baby with the same disease and had lost so much blood she almost died. She had the partial birth abortion to save her life and she knew from 1st hand experience the baby wouldn't live for more than a few hours. She went on to have 3 healthy children - this was a woman who not only wanted children, but is a very strong Catholic so you can imagine the turmoil to make this decision.
It's the last possible choice for most of he parents who decide to have it, per my Mom. And again, I see no reason for her to lie to me about this.
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For the record, I think women who use abortion as a form of birth control should be strung up and shot. They should be sterilized and beaten to within an inch of their lives. There's such a thing as birth control, and the morning after pill. The only time I would EVER agree with any form of abortion is if it was medical, or an extreme situation (a 11 year old girl pregnant by her father's rape or something like that).
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