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Old 03-04-2003   #1
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We register offshore companies and open bank accounts. Companies in Delaware, Bahamas, BVI, Gibraltar, United Kingdom (!) and Panama. Ready-to-trade shelf companies. 15 days new companies registration.

To minimize your taxes you incorporate an International Business Company in offshore region, open bank account in offshore bank (Loyal Bank, Lateko Bank, Parex Bank).

A company for $500 and a bank account for $300. And you minimize your taxes significantly.

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Theseguys are a CON!!!

If you send them money you will not see it again

and from what I understand the U.S. District attorny of the State of Floridia is looking into their business operations

Beware!!!
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http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/new...cal/2949078.htm

IRS probes offshore credit card accounts
MIMI WHITEFIELD
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In a broadening investigation of tax cheats, the Internal Revenue Service said this week that MasterCard has turned over records from more than 230,000 credit card accounts issued by offshore banks, enabling it to develop hundreds of cases for civil audits or possible criminal investigations.

Visa and American Express may not be far behind.

The investigation is part of a massive crackdown that began in October 2000 to track down taxpayers who are using offshore banks to hide assets from the U.S. tax collector. The IRS estimates there may be as many as one million to two million U.S. citizens holding debit or credit cards issued by offshore banks.

Among the people IRS investigators found using the offshore MasterCards: executives of publicly held companies, doctors, lawyers, business owners, investment professionals, promoters of tax shelters and the author of several books on offshore tax havens.

While it is not illegal for a U.S. taxpayer to have an offshore bank account, create an offshore corporation or hold a credit card issued by an offshore bank, U.S. tax obligations still must be paid.

The IRS initially sought records from MasterCard International and American Express on account holders whose cards were issued by banks in the Bahamas, Antigua and Barbuda, and the Cayman Islands.

MasterCard complied with the request by producing an electronic database that contained more than 1.7 million transaction records.
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http://www.offshorealert.com/

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Let me explain. Offshore business doesn't mean something illegal. It means that you PAY taxes in another country.

If SONY develops VCRs in Japan and then manufacture them in China (for example) to minimize taxes and expenses - it is something illegal?

More than 70% of international finances are located in offshore jurisdictions. And OFFSHORE doesn't mean Panama or Bahamas. If you live in United States than United Kingdom is an offshore country for you.
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Very good,
and now,
please explain everybody that besides taxes in offshore jurisdiction,
US Citizens must also pay taxes in US on top.

Your interpretation of the US Tax Code is highly appretiated, shoot!
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These fucking scumbags ripped me on $10k over 90 days on a marketing contract

dont believe a word these russian scammers have to say!

he even denies offering me the contract.

ICQ logs and Before and After shots of the site will prove otherwise in court

Then with the FTC!

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Forest,
they are not russians, they are ukranians...

Can you show Ukraine on the map?
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serge,

they ARE russian they just use office adderess all over the place

Domain Name: YAMBO.BIZ
Domain ID: D2914606-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP, INC. D.B.A.
DIRECTNIC.COM
Domain Status: ok
Registrant ID: IMG-368485
Registrant Name: Customer Service
Registrant Organization: Yambo Financials Inc.
Registrant Address1: 1001 SW 16th Avenue, #103
Registrant City: Gainesville
Registrant State/Province: FL
Registrant Postal Code: 32601
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.12123017424
Registrant Email: customerservice@yambo.biz
Administrative Contact ID: IMG-321421
Administrative Contact Name: Yegor Bugaenko
Administrative Contact Organization: Million Software Inc.
Administrative Contact Address1: Leningradskoe shosse, 5
Administrative Contact City: Moscow
Administrative Contact State/Province: Moscow
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 123007
Administrative Contact Country: Russian Federation
Administrative Contact Country Code: RU
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +7.70957963057
Administrative Contact Email: egor@millionsoftware.com
Billing Contact ID: IMG-321421
Billing Contact Name: Yegor Bugaenko
Billing Contact Organization: Million Software Inc.
Billing Contact Address1: Leningradskoe shosse, 5
Billing Contact City: Moscow
Billing Contact State/Province: Moscow
Billing Contact Postal Code: 123007
Billing Contact Country: Russian Federation
Billing Contact Country Code: RU
Billing Contact Phone Number: +7.70957963057
Billing Contact Email: egor@millionsoftware.com
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Technical Contact Name: Yegor Bugaenko
Technical Contact Organization: Million Software Inc.
Technical Contact Address1: Leningradskoe shosse, 5
Technical Contact City: Moscow
Technical Contact State/Province: Moscow
Technical Contact Postal Code: 123007
Technical Contact Country: Russian Federation
Technical Contact Country Code: RU
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Technical Contact Email: egor@millionsoftware.com
Name Server: MILLION.DP.UA
Name Server: NS1.YAMBO.BIZ
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AGA and Danny are checking out thier UK office locations

Im getting paid 1 way or the other!!!
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Their "office" in Gainsville is just an aprtment.

I had a friend at the State Attornies office check it out

They are going down....and not in the fun way

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Serge, let me explain.

1. We're from Ukraine. We have an office in UK, in Florida and in California. My email is egor@yambo.biz. I would be very glad to answer all questions.

2. Imagine the situation you're a citizen of USA and would like to minimize your taxes from adult business.

You incorporate a company in BVI (British Virgin Islands) and you're a director of this company. You have an employment contract with this company. And this company pays you, say, $100/month as a salary. You have to pay taxes for this salary.

All profit this company gains should be taxed and paid in a country of registration - BVI.

You don't pay these taxes - your company pays.
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Forest,
and my sources who know those people well tell me they are Ukranians.

c'mon, if you can't show Ukraine on the map, just say so
;-)))
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Originally posted by yambo.biz@Mar 5 2003, 08:39 AM
Serge, let me explain.

1. We're from Ukraine. We have an office in UK, in Florida and in California. My email is egor@yambo.biz. I would be very glad to answer all questions.

2. Imagine the situation you're a citizen of USA and would like to minimize your taxes from adult business.

You incorporate a company in BVI (British Virgin Islands) and you're a director of this company. You have an employment contract with this company. And this company pays you, say, $100/month as a salary. You have to pay taxes for this salary.

All profit this company gains should be taxed and paid in a country of registration - BVI.

You don't pay these taxes - your company pays.
ok,
so now you have 1,000,000 in BVI...and how do you propose taking it back to USA to buy the house there?
or should it just sit in the offshore bank 'till cows go home?
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you see, Forest, I was right,
Ukraine that is
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LMK if you need my help showing it on the map
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I know where it is on the map

was just going by what they told me (another LIE) and their whois info

scammmeerrrrssssss

maxic (08:52 AM) :
ok. we don't want any problems.
we just want to stop all this.
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Serge, this is a problem. We see two variants how to solve it:

1. You buy your house/office/car/other inventory as a company. It means, your house will be the property of BVI company. And you will rent this house from this company.

2. You use your funds from BVI/offshore bank by means of MasterCard Business issued in the name of your company.

We live in Ukraine and use the second variant. What do you think about USA?
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maxic (03:26 PM) :
how much do your ideas that we used cost?
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maxic (03:23 PM) :
we can pay you for it as much as you want
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Hello,

Let me tell you what happened between Yambo and Forest. He found us at GFY and offered his services. He said he would promote and advertise our business in the US. He said he had been in this business for 6 years and he knows everybody in it. He offered 1K per week for his work.

Understand we had to think of such an offer. We did. And then decided that it would work for us but for $850/week. I told him that we would need a marketing plan or something to start working. He said Okay.

Then he sent me his plan. It was a 6 or something page PowerPoint document. Which was just awful. No terms, nothing specific that would make us pay him that amount of money each week. We decided not to work with Forest.

Then we made some changes at Yambo.biz. We did it by ourselves. We did not use any of the ideas stated in that "plan". If anybody wants I can publish that plan on the Internet.

I don't know what you're calling "ripped", Forest.

We don't want anybody not to trust our company. We don't want such an incidents to happen. And I am sorry, Forest. Probably it was just misunderstanding.
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Originally posted by yambo.biz@Mar 5 2003, 09:05 AM
Serge, this is a problem. We see two variants how to solve it:

1. You buy your house/office/car/other inventory as a company. It means, your house will be the property of BVI company. And you will rent this house from this company.

2. You use your funds from BVI/offshore bank by means of MasterCard Business issued in the name of your company.

We live in Ukraine and use the second variant. What do you think about USA?
none of your options would work,
IRS is cracking on it left and right,
read this article and see it for yourself.

You are putting people in harms way...


IRS probes offshore credit card accounts
MIMI WHITEFIELD
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In a broadening investigation of tax cheats, the Internal Revenue Service said this week that MasterCard has turned over records from more than 230,000 credit card accounts issued by offshore banks, enabling it to develop hundreds of cases for civil audits or possible criminal investigations.

Visa and American Express may not be far behind.

The investigation is part of a massive crackdown that began in October 2000 to track down taxpayers who are using offshore banks to hide assets from the U.S. tax collector. The IRS estimates there may be as many as one million to two million U.S. citizens holding debit or credit cards issued by offshore banks.

Among the people IRS investigators found using the offshore MasterCards: executives of publicly held companies, doctors, lawyers, business owners, investment professionals, promoters of tax shelters and the author of several books on offshore tax havens.

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The IRS initially sought records from MasterCard International and American Express on account holders whose cards were issued by banks in the Bahamas, Antigua and Barbuda, and the Cayman Islands.

MasterCard complied with the request by producing an electronic database that contained more than 1.7 million transaction records.
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no missunderstanding

I have coppies of your site BEFORE i sent you the outline then AFTER u received

then WOW amzing you guys came up with all those changes ALL by yourself in just 48 hours and even more amazing was that every single change was outlined in my doc

Hmmm sounds coincidental to me.....

But it cool I have the written logs and e-mails. U guys dont seem to understand that here in USA we have courts that ACTUALLY work for idea theft.

and Freedom of SPEACH is an even more powerful tool

See ya on ever board you go tooooooo
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Forest, you are an idiot!

I wouldn't touch offshore schyemes promotions with a 10 ft pole, regardless of what they pay to promote it.

You'll spend more on lawyers defending yourself from the government
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Forest, you are not alone....

from what I heard,
PayPal played the same trick on Gary Kremen
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You are putting people in harms way...

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they get their 300-500 UPFRONT

let the customers worry about their ASSets :P
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Forest, you are an idiot!

I wouldn't touch offshore schyemes promotions with a 10 ft pole, regardless of what they pay to promote it.

You'll spend more on lawyers defending yourself from the government
serge

Hind-site is 20/20

but now im doing my best to irradicate this scum from the earth

BTW

do you have any beer at your house for tonight?

or do I need to bring some?
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You are putting people in harms way...

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they get their 300-500 UPFRONT

let the customers worry about their ASSets :P
I don't think they do....

they either pretend not to know US laws or realy can't give a fuck


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we will toast LENSMAN with it!!!

Its probably vinegar by now

PERFECT for his puckered asssss

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Forest, you are not alone....

from what I heard,
PayPal played the same trick on Gary Kremen
;-)))
does that mean im in GOOD or BAD company

serge,

scambo belongs here http://www.goodbadugly.info/

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then WOW amzing you guys came up with all those changes ALL by yourself in just 48 hours and even more amazing was that every single change was outlined in my doc

Hmmm sounds coincidental to me.....
Oprano wrote on the russian Crutop forum that yambo gets up their arse here, so I came to take a look... I do not see them taking it so far... I see different statements with no any prooves. It conserns both - Forest ripoff and offshore companies...

Forest - that is none of my business, but I'd say that the fact they made all changes just in 48 hours is rather against you. If the changes were so essantial as you are trying to express, making them had take a while. So, either they really made them by themselves, or those changes were not that essential to tell now that they were worth 10K.

As for the offshore companies - I do not understand a shit in this, but common sence tells me that there is no much good of them if you are in USA and do not deal with illegal issues such as drug dealing or other shit. Corporate taxes are pretty low in USA, and I think they are not an issue to be conserned of. Personal taxes are hard to avoid. I'm not sure how much yambo guys understand in US laws, but this example with the house - from what I was told once when I worked in USA - if you can proove you need it for your business solely, you can buy it for a company and deduct it's costs from taxable corporate income, but if it is proven you just live here - your ass will be fried.

My is stupid Russian, my did not came school, please not kick my hard if my is wrong about this
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the problem with Yambo is their lack of knowledge of USA Tax Laws puts people in harms way.

I'd quote IRS articles and paragraphs if they disputed that, but they don't, so why bother?
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That was an outline for the 1st segment of a 90 day marketing plan. They agreed to a VERBAL contract via text meesage service called ICQ for a 90 day contract at 850.00 per week.

that makes the CONTRACT worth 10k in ANY court in THIS country.
Hmm. It's really interesting. I know nothing about US courts, indeed, but it seems a bit arguable that ICQ log can be a proof. Are you sure? I thought only signed written contracts have power in US.

And I guess you need at least to prove that you communicated via ICQ with a person who was empowered to make such contracts. For instance, what if it was just some clerk who stole your ideas and made them look as his own?

Anyway, I will watch my ass from now on, ICQing with US people



Serge - it doesn't matter the idea of opening off-shore accounts is wrong at all. But I agree with you. They have to provide a correct information to their possible customers.
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New member Serge, congrats!!

Just wanted to butt in to your conversation.. From what I understand, being a yambo's competitor, Forest just fucked up these guys. Good job, tho

Those who will read this scam thread shouldn't have any problems to see that professionalism of yambo was no way affected by this smart competitor's trap.

Just my very humble opinion, guys.

2yambo - can't get, why the fuck you wanted to hire a person across the ocean with no references or positive feedback from his last cutomers etc..? Odd, to say the least.



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Guys,
I hear you,
and putting Forest's issue aside,
I personally wouldn't advise US citizens playing games with IRS...
to hot to handle.

Al Capone didn't go to jail for murders, he went to jail for..

Tax Evasion
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Serge,

I really don't understand why you afraid of IRS. Taxes is an evil. And Alan Green told about it many times. If you hide your assets/profits with legal scheme - no IRS can do anything for you.

People afraid of IRS, but you should do everything legally and everything will be fine.

Serge, my ICQ is 7963057. I would be glad to discuss.
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Serge,

I really don't understand why you afraid of IRS. Taxes is an evil. And Alan Green told about it many times. If you hide your assets/profits with legal scheme - no IRS can do anything for you.

People afraid of IRS, but you should do everything legally and everything will be fine.

Serge, my ICQ is 7963057. I would be glad to discuss.
Yambo,
please post URL of IRS articles on the subject
(you can fing them at http://www.irs.gov )
and show how following them saves US taxpayers ANY money.

I posted URL's about IRS crackdowns on the schemes similar to yours,
now it's your turn to walk the walk
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spoken like a TRUE non american....

why be afraid of the IRS???

You will find out WAIT till they get done with you
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IRS, like ANY Government agency,
has full backing of the United Staes Government, US Treasury and US Department of Justice..

They have more influence on day to day life of US Citizen then Pentagon
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Serge,

Lots of, lots of books about "hiding your assets" and "offshore havens" are being written and sold in the US book stores right now... If all these topics were "prohibited", they probably would be "rated R" and nobody would let people sell them. In these books people describe how to understand the word "offhore", how not to violate the US laws, how to use offshore opportunities LEGALLY in the US etc.. etc...

As my collegue just said, you've got to do the right things and do it legally. And it'll be fine. Be aware of what you're doing.
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The topic is not prohobitted,
cheating on taxes is.

If you wanna be credible-
do whjat I asked you to do-
provide INFORMATION in the form of
IRS articles on the subject.

you know that you can not...because if one follows IRS rules to the book,
there is no savings in taxes,
if one doesn't follow them-
one is liable,
but you wouldn't care breaking US laws, don't ya?

why would YOU care, you are not under US Jurisdiction
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If I wanted to start up an offshore bank account, I would fucking fly to the Caymen Islands and set it up myself in person. The LAST thing I would do is send money to some sight-unseen Russian/Ukranian dude to do it for me.


The Caymens are known for international banking. I've never heard of these Ukranian guys before. It's a fucking no-brainer.
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CDS,
them being russian/ukranians
have NOTHING to do with matter on hand which:
the way they promote Yambo as tax shelter,
without telling their customers that being offshore company doesn't preclude one from paying taxes in US,
thus misleading them to the slaughter of IRS audit
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Serge,

If you have a business running in an offshore jurisdiction you do not really work inside the U.S. Your business is in a different country and your taxes have to be paid in the different country. IRS has nothing to do with business running in BVI or Caymans, does not it? IRS can only request the information about your business, but most of the jurisdiction would not disclose such info to anybody including IRS.

Furthermore, you would not want to register an offshore company in your name, would you? That would have been just stupid. Most jurisdiction offer nominee directors. That makes you invisible for IRS.

If only real crime is involved in your business - IRS will find you. But that's different issue.
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Max,
you are avoiding direct question and stress upon how you help fuckin' IRS.

Not the best way to go, son.

Why I don't beleive that you have more brains than they do?
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 5 2003, 12:59 PM
IRS, like ANY Government agency,
has full backing of the United Staes Government, US Treasury and US Department of Justice..

They have more influence on day to day life of US Citizen then Pentagon
;-)))
they have more infulence on day to day life than GOD!!

Hell jesus only gets your soul

The IRS will take everything else



Max you are definatley a dumb fuck

Ill be in Gainsville this weekend to collect

Anton Denysenko by email: anton@yambo.biz, by mail: 1001 SW 16th Avenue, #103, Gainesville, FL 32601, USA, or by phone: 352-378-9943.

Tell Anton and his American girlfriend Ill be Knocking

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"Hell has no fury as Forest scorned"
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(--Oprano Narodnaya Mudrost'"
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Originally posted by Serge_Oprano@Mar 6 2003, 07:16 AM
"Hell has no fury as Forest scorned"
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(--Oprano Narodnaya Mudrost'"
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and they aint seen NOTHIN yet :grrr:

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max

u give up that easy???

man u guys REALLY do have no BALLS

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Forest,

What can I say? You are not giving any arguments. You're just cussing.
I am not going to do that. Sorry.
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