Porn Picks Bone With Torrents

[gonzo]

It's hard to have sympathy for a dirty, exploitative medium when the producers of it cry foul over piracy – after all dirty is as dirty does, and karma can be your friend or your enemy. But at the same time, copyrights are copyrights and are intended to protect the truly artful from thieves as much as they protect the scummy.

And this time, I'm not talking about the MPAA or the RIAA, I'm talking about pornographers – who, if you want to get technical and nasty about it, leverage a loophole that immunizes them from prostitution charges so long as it's done on video.

But, in this instance, we're not here to make moral judgments – that would be plain, um, inappropriate.

The porn industry is looking for a way to combat online piracy of their films and is targeting BitTorrent as the chief enabler. Overall, in the US alone, porn brings in about $50 billion in legitimate sales.

But on the Internet, where as much as 25 percent of the content is adult in nature – or at least sought after – a maximum of 20 percent of the content available is legitimately acquired.

Again, it's hard to have a pity party…ask the peddler how large a cut he gave the starlet he exploited, and then about what's fair and you probably won't like the answer. It's a matter of what's legal, what's business, and supply and demand.

Regardless, copyright law makes it illegal and they have certain rights, and they're forming coalitions to fight torrents, where the bulk of their content is pirated. But instead of trying to take down the torrent sites directly, the leading solution is to target the backbone providers like AT&T.

And this is where it gets really problematic. This is where you get ISPs deciding directly what content goes through and what doesn't at the request of interested parties, without any type of due process, because, as it is, there is no such thing as Net Neutrality protection.

And of course the excuse, especially in light of the DOJ's recent (confusingly unnecessary) opinion on the matter, will be made in the name of something more heinous, like child pornography.

TorrentFreak cites a proposal by Ron Cadwell, CEO of CCBill, a porn site credit card processor:

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[Toby]

Well, there was at least one statement in that rant that I can attest to be accurate. RawAlex is indeed a pretty sharp cookie, for a Canadian.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

Well, there was at least one statement in that rant that I can attest to be accurate. RawAlex is indeed a pretty sharp cookie, for a Canadian.

He is obviously too smart to be a Texan.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rhetorical

He is obviously too smart to be a Texan.

That's probably a good thing, Houston summers would likely kill him.

[softball]

Originally Posted by Toby

That's probably a good thing, Houston summers would likely kill him.

Not if he is from Toronto

[Paul Markham]

The effect of Torrent and Tube sites is going to be the biggest thing for the Internet, adult and mainstream, simply because the law was not written to cover them. Here's a few points.

How much is uploaded by surfers and how much is stolen?
In the mainstream I think a lot of music would be uploaded. Movies can be very big and unless you're on a very powerful upload connection it would be a hassle. The amount of porn going up from surfers will be, IMO, limited. Most porn consumers are not going to sit there and upload movies for hours on end.

So would a site needing the content go out and grab it? Straight theft and it needs to be proved who uploaded it. How does the law stand on it?

What would be the effect of us stealing traffic from Tube and Torrent sites?
Would they mind or complain if we stole their traffic? Of course they would because they live off traffic, this could be an area to attack them.

How much of the content on the sites is uploaded from porn sponsors?
How many sites or affiliates are uploading content to get traffic. It would be interesting to see how many of the sites on the pirate sites join a campaign to close them down.

If it was possible to close down every pirate site would the sales of $30 memberships increase significantly?
IMO no. The users who want to spend $30 will and a pirate site is not an option. The sales might go to PPV selling a movie at a time. They might go to sites selling porn at a very low price. But the surfers will not go to $30 sites in any great numbers. Definitely not in enough numbers to justify the cost of closing these sites.

The days of selling a product at an inflated price to support a "traffic" system are drawing to a close. You can lead a surfer to a $30 site, but you can't force him to buy if he knows what he needs is available for $5 or even less. We don't "own" traffic, you only show him a product, we need him to want to buy it to make money.

[Paul Markham]

Actually this is a very good idea. From Ron Cadwell, CEO of CCBill. And probably not that expensive.

I was reading a post that Raw Alex (very smart guy) made in another tread that got me thinking on how you could stop the Torrent sites. You need to attack them like the Spam Groups did on spammers. They went after the backbone providers (Level 3, Sprint, ATT etc). If you could get 7 out of 10 of the major providers to blackhole them they are dead.

The question is how do you do that? Simple.

1. You get a group of adult webmasters to file DMCA notices by the truck load or allow you to file them on their behalf to the backbone providers. The laws are very specific on Damages and what an ISP must do if a proper DMCA notice is files. (Be Very Annoying Here)

2. You start sending them URL’s like what Raw Alex showed about Child Porn. This is a HOT topic and no backbone provider that is a PUBLIC COMPANY would want to be associated with Child Porn Traffic?

3. Each of the large adult hosting companies have a good relationship with 1 if not more major backbone providers. We can also put pressure on their Abuse Departments to blackhole them also due to the complaints?

I am not sure if it will work but if you put enough pressure on them and the fear of newspapers/major companies finding out about it they will want to distance themselves very quickly from these sites.

Bingo Problem Solved

I was reading a post that Raw Alex (very smart guy) made in another tread that got me thinking on how you could stop the Torrent sites. You need to attack them like the Spam Groups did on spammers. They went after the backbone providers (Level 3, Sprint, ATT etc). If you could get 7 out of 10 of the major providers to blackhole them they are dead.

The question is how do you do that? Simple.

1. You get a group of adult webmasters to file DMCA notices by the truck load or allow you to file them on their behalf to the backbone providers. The laws are very specific on Damages and what an ISP must do if a proper DMCA notice is files. (Be Very Annoying Here)

2. You start sending them URL’s like what Raw Alex showed about Child Porn. This is a HOT topic and no backbone provider that is a PUBLIC COMPANY would want to be associated with Child Porn Traffic?

3. Each of the large adult hosting companies have a good relationship with 1 if not more major backbone providers. We can also put pressure on their Abuse Departments to blackhole them also due to the complaints?

I am not sure if it will work but if you put enough pressure on them and the fear of newspapers/major companies finding out about it they will want to distance themselves very quickly from these sites.

Bingo Problem Solved

[MikeSouth]

Theres another way to attack thatyou wont hear ccbill making noise about

every one of those sites has sponsors and advertisers

go after the credit card processing of the sponsors and advertisers

watch how quick dirtbags like legendary lars pull ads when visa says hey we are going to drop you

[tony404]

Originally Posted by MikeSouth

Theres another way to attack thatyou wont hear ccbill making noise about

every one of those sites has sponsors and advertisers

go after the credit card processing of the sponsors and advertisers

watch how quick dirtbags like legendary lars pull ads when visa says hey we are going to drop you

Amen bro it will be interesting to see if those who said they are going to fight.If mentally they are ready for the blood bath and going after people you drank with at shows for years. Those people will be the key not a couple of nerds in amsterdam.

[helix]

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