Giving Away Our Video Chat Platform - Good or Bad?

[Mediaguy]

We're making it easy for anyone to get on our platform and ride the webcam wave:

http://www.xbiz.com/news/115276

Now I know I asked this on another board, but should an industry newb really be able to get his or her hands on something like a fully loaded, billing-ready videochat site, even if they have the money to market it?

We know what it's like to have newbies or even experienced people from the mainstream dip their toes in the porn pool and think it's shallow, safe and an easy swim. They can even look down at us condescendingly...

I still say it's good to bring in new blood... but I can't wait to see if we're going to end up outsourcing our hand-holding in this case.

[gonzo]

I see how you guys are. You announce this promo after I get my own licensing from you... but seriously.

I know some of you guys own cam domains and have been curious a solid back end. Now you can check it out for yourself.

The first part of this year I was researching webcam back ends for about 3 months and I will say again that this is the best turnkey on the market.

If you have a clue about driving traffic and are able to get a few models then you should be able to make money. This system comes with the ability to hire models from any that participate in the mbase program so you dont even need one to start out with.

This is worthy of checking out. And if your a model reading this we are now hiring for our system as well.

[Mediaguy]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I see how you guys are. You announce this promo after I get my own licensing from you... but seriously.

Mouahahah!

Originally Posted by gonzo

The first part of this year I was researching webcam back ends for about 3 months and I will say again that this is the best turnkey on the market.

If you have a clue about driving traffic and are able to get a few models then you should be able to make money. This system comes with the ability to hire models from any that participate in the mbase program so you dont even need one to start out with.

This is worthy of checking out. And if your a model reading this we are now hiring for our system as well.

Well then put your money where your mouse is and click on this sucker to nominate us for the software award:

Nominate 2much for the Xbiz Software Award

[EmporerEJ]

Pardon me for stating the obvious, but isn't this the guy you all were smacking around a ways back?

Apparently there is some kind of history with him (That I'm not aware of, or part of) and no one seemed to like him.

Somebody wanna clarify this for me?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

Pardon me for stating the obvious, but isn't this the guy you all were smacking around a ways back?

Apparently there is some kind of history with him (That I'm not aware of, or part of) and no one seemed to like him.

Somebody wanna clarify this for me?

I can only speak for myself.
And all you have to do is to look at the archive here to see the history.

I made a statement a few weeks back that this is the best turnkey system on the market.

There was a licensee that was having a problem with them blaming them for chargebacks when in fact he turned off the fraud control thats included in the system.

You can say a lot of things about a company but when you circumvent a fraud control module in this economy and complain about charge backs... I dont think thats wise.

I said in that thread that they had the best system on the market and that I hadnt cared for how they represented themselves in the past. Blaming them for 2K of bad charges out of 3K income just wasnt warranted.

I was asked later it I meant what I said and the result is I have licensed the system for myself and I will be trying it out.

And it looks like you can too and not have to license it at all if you want to take them up on a well timed revshare promotion.

Hows that for cliff notes?

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Hows that for cliff notes?

Yea, that's sounds like what I'm remembering. At the time, seemed to me, everyone was being fairly abusive to this fellow. Not knowing him, or his business, or having ever done business with him, I didn't have much input, or opinion.

But I did particularly like the fact that he stayed in there, while he was being pummeled, and defended his product.

Just might be something to look into.

[2muchmark2]

To be really honest, I have to credit Gonzo & Oprano with teaching me a lesson some time ago. Anyone who knows me knows that I can take anything tossed at me personally, but when it comes to insulting my company or our product, I tend to lose my marbles as had happened before thanks to a disagreement with a certain person who shall remain nameless.

The blame that was being thrown our way on that other forum for all of his own fraud was insulting because I know how hard people like Mediaguy, Kedra, Ye, Qi, David etc, all work on LiveCamNetwork. But instead of posting instantly and "attacking", I would re-read what he said carefully, take a walk and cool off, and then come back as if he was simply asking a question instead of pointing a finger. I tried to answer each "question" calmly. I had to bite my toungue, but I knew if I could leave the emotion out and concentrate on the details (and screenshots) that it would be not only a better defense of our position, but might be useful for others when dealing with fraud.

PS: Corvette was extremely helpful in that situation. Kudos to CCBill as always.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by 2muchmark2

To be really honest, I have to credit Gonzo & Oprano with teaching me a lesson some time ago. Anyone who knows me knows that I can take anything tossed at me personally, but when it comes to insulting my company or our product, I tend to lose my marbles as had happened before thanks to a disagreement with a certain person who shall remain nameless.

The blame that was being thrown our way on that other forum for all of his own fraud was insulting because I know how hard people like Mediaguy, Kedra, Ye, Qi, David etc, all work on LiveCamNetwork. But instead of posting instantly and "attacking", I would re-read what he said carefully, take a walk and cool off, and then come back as if he was simply asking a question instead of pointing a finger. I tried to answer each "question" calmly. I had to bite my toungue, but I knew if I could leave the emotion out and concentrate on the details (and screenshots) that it would be not only a better defense of our position, but might be useful for others when dealing with fraud.

PS: Corvette was extremely helpful in that situation. Kudos to CCBill as always.

Mark is a great business resource!

And yes there are several here that are very adept at pushing peoples buttons. When you get to the point of knowing exactly how you are going to reply to someone before they respond is a good indicator of button pushing.

A lot of times I know that I just have to get a person to respond one more time to push another set of buttons AND to set them up to respond again.

But back to business most of us are here to make money and share information and this offer is a good way for those that have considered cam networks but found the bar to entry too steep.

Im only sorry that I havent had as much time to devote to working on this over the past week to get things rolling.

Im lucky to have conned both The Enforcer and Erika into working with me on this new venture.

I hope she will be smiling even bigger than this in the near future!

[iamkathi]

Erika...you should be smiling all the time!!!

[TheEnforcer]

All I can say is I'm quite excited about this project and am glad I talked to Gonzo about doing it. We're both quite excited about it's prospects. :>)) And we aim to keep a permanent smile on Erika's face! :>))

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

All I can say is I'm quite excited about this project and am glad I talked to Gonzo about doing it. We're both quite excited about it's prospects. :>)) And we aim to keep a permanent smile on Erika's face! :>))

Well, don't be letting Gonzo paw her all up. He'll get that damn donut glaze all over her dress.

[2muchmark2]

Here's a quick update:

So far we have signed up 6 new sites to use our program. While most should do well (ie: bring traffic and / or chat models to the network) I suspect some will have a rough start. Here's why:

As we install each new license, we include a fully functional website. While it looks ok, each customer then needs to make it his or her own own, but not everyone is blessed with great webmaster skills. (This is one new site doing an extremely bad job at the moment which I will show to Gonzo on Monday).

There is an opportunity here for Webmasters and designers. If you are interested in offering your services as designers for our software, we could place your banners in our NEWS FORUM and Welcome Emails to our customers. The traffic you receive back will not be high, but it will be super-targeted as our customers now have a site, but now really want some customization, logos, banners, etc.

I'm open to discussing deals.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by 2muchmark2

Here's a quick update:

So far we have signed up 6 new sites to use our program. While most should do well (ie: bring traffic and / or chat models to the network) I suspect some will have a rough start. Here's why:

As we install each new license, we include a fully functional website. While it looks ok, each customer then needs to make it his or her own own, but not everyone is blessed with great webmaster skills. (This is one new site doing an extremely bad job at the moment which I will show to Gonzo on Monday).

There is an opportunity here for Webmasters and designers. If you are interested in offering your services as designers for our software, we could place your banners in our NEWS FORUM and Welcome Emails to our customers. The traffic you receive back will not be high, but it will be super-targeted as our customers now have a site, but now really want some customization, logos, banners, etc.

I'm open to discussing deals.

Lets talk on Monday as Ive been moving forward Ive found some low cost options of those starting out.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by gonzo

And yes there are several here that are very adept at pushing peoples buttons. When you get to the point of knowing exactly how you are going to reply to someone before they respond is a good indicator of button pushing.

A lot of times I know that I just have to get a person to respond one more time to push another set of buttons AND to set them up to respond again.

Nah.. Really?? I have never seen that sort of thing around here

Anyways, in all fairness (damn I hate having to be like this) I have to say that Mark handled himself quite well in the thread over at the zoo. To the point that very far in I even felt the need to come in and tell the OP that he was off base.

I have always thought that the LCN platform looked pretty good in comparison to what else was out there.

So, I guess we will see how it goes. I have not read the licensing agreement at this point but it seems to me that anyway this is structured increases Mark's risk signiificantly, so it appears to me that he is putting his ass on the line somewhat here. Personally investing yourself in your product is a good thing imho.

As far as marketing to Newbies, this sort of offer allows the newbie to find out the hard way without destroying them financially, so no compl;aints from me there.

I have sent this thread to a couple of people who have hit me in the past looking for cam solutions.

I have a domain or 2 I could use this on but I don't have the time to work on what I have going already, much less taking on something new so I am going to personally pass for now but weill say, Good Luck to Mark and Mediaguy, I hope it all goes quite well

[sarettah]

A question for Mark or Mediaguy:

How FREE is FREE ?

And this not a complaint. I know you are waiving the license fee so that is like 6000 off of the commitment.

You have a 99.95 setup fee in there. What other fees are involved? I know there is a hosting fee of some sort, what else, and how much?

As I said, I am not complaining here. If it was completely 100% free then the bar is too low. I am just wondering what the total investment up front (barring design and coding charges that are dependent on the customers personal choices) to get in on this is?

Thanx in advance

[2muchmark2]

Hi Sarettah,

Thank you very much for the support and the referrals. I think they will all be very happy with LiveCamNetwork.

Here are the basics of the new approach.

We are providing a license "for free". We make our money later via revenue share. The installation fee of $99.95 is really just to cover costs. We may raise the setup fee in the futue but for now I'm comfortable where it is.

You are right that we are taking a risk, however, however the risk is small because in order to use the MBASE network, customers have to essentially pre-pay for it by funding their accounts in advance. We call this the "Minimum Reserve" or "Float".

For example: Let's imagine the following 2 Websites:

SarettahGirls.com:
- 1000 visitors per day
- 5 Girls employed.

GonzosGirls.com:
- Also 1000 visitors per day
- Also 5 girls employed.

Each site is doing their own marketing and hiring their own types of girls in their own way. Sales are good, but they could always be better. Enter MBASE.

Now with Mbase, both sites Appear to have 10 girls, and each girl now bennifits from the total amount of traffic. The customers from both sites now have twice as many chat girls to choose from. More importantly though, the customers remain YOURS. There is no affiliate link connecting the two. There are no links of any kind to the other site. The girls via Mbase, are channeled into each other's sites and the customers are channeled directly into your girls chat rooms. Payment is accepted by your customers on your own site for any girl he wants to chat with, yours or his.

When a customer from GonzosGirls buys some personal quality time from SarettahGirls, money is transfered out of GonzosGirls into SarettahGirls.com, and vice-versa. Every 2 weeks, 2Much pays out whatever the balance is in the account. How much each website buys or sells for is determined by each individual webmaster, for each of the 3 paid chat rooms (Private "VIP", semi-private "group", and passive-viewer "voyeur" modes).

The money in the Minimum Reserve / Float is used to payout each website. Should a site fall below its minimum reserve or below zero, that site is no longer able to purchase from mbase. It can still sell, but not purchase. This keeps our risk very low, lets everything continue to operate smoothly.

[TheEnforcer]

It's a hell of a setup to be sure. Looking forward to our rollout and ramp up. :>))

[JFK]

Mark has a great product

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by JFK

Mark has a great product

Im finding that there is a lot of work that has gone into the development of it.
I think a lot of people rush into getting into this business in general and they dont do the research that is required to be successful.

So far I havent change one graphic or line of code on my templates but instead Im looking how how the system runs in general and the right strategy to have it become profitable.

I think a lot of guys see the the girls earning $5 a minute and see a new way to make cash but they dont explore what is required to be successful.

Ive just watched my first free chat and remember how hard the girls have to work to get these guys not to be free loaders. Its very akin to strip club politics and economics so far.

It has however given Erica some ideas and shes ran off to her side of the house to work them out.

Last I saw she was in the mirror dressed like this - you knew I had to get her a fur coat of her own.
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[2muchmark2]

Originally Posted by JFK

Mark has a great product

Thank you, sir!

[JFK]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Im finding that there is a lot of work that has gone into the development of it.
I think a lot of people rush into getting into this business in general and they dont do the research that is required to be successful.

So far I havent change one graphic or line of code on my templates but instead Im looking how how the system runs in general and the right strategy to have it become profitable.

I think a lot of guys see the the girls earning $5 a minute and see a new way to make cash but they dont explore what is required to be successful.

Ive just watched my first free chat and remember how hard the girls have to work to get these guys not to be free loaders. Its very akin to strip club politics and economics so far.

It has however given Erica some ideas and shes ran off to her side of the house to work them out.

Last I saw she was in the mirror dressed like this - you knew I had to get her a fur coat of her own.
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A fur coat of her own ?? Nice, Playa

[2muchmark2]

Hi Everyone,

I have an idea that I would like to bounce around.

When we install the basic LiveCamNetwork system, we include a fully functional website as well, but we do not include customization. Instead, we ask that the customers upgrade their licenses, or do the customization themselves.

The problem is that many of our customers are newbies (especially when it comes to design) so they may not posess the skillset required to make an effective site.

Therefore, what I would like to do is begin referring customers out to designers. There are a couple of ways that I can think of to do this. We could :

- Advertise web designers inside of the customer administrator program
- Advertise web designers on our site, 2Much.net
- "Refer" designers to customers (directly, or in exchange for a finders fee)
- Charge customers up-front and then sub-contract the designers

The method I like the best is to simply refer customers to other designers, and let the deals be made directly between the two. What we would want in exchange would be referrals back.

Any designers here have any opinions on this?

Thanks in advance

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by 2muchmark2

Hi Everyone,

I have an idea that I would like to bounce around.

When we install the basic LiveCamNetwork system, we include a fully functional website as well, but we do not include customization. Instead, we ask that the customers upgrade their licenses, or do the customization themselves.

The problem is that many of our customers are newbies (especially when it comes to design) so they may not posess the skillset required to make an effective site.

Therefore, what I would like to do is begin referring customers out to designers. There are a couple of ways that I can think of to do this. We could :

- Advertise web designers inside of the customer administrator program
- Advertise web designers on our site, 2Much.net
- "Refer" designers to customers (directly, or in exchange for a finders fee)
- Charge customers up-front and then sub-contract the designers

The method I like the best is to simply refer customers to other designers, and let the deals be made directly between the two. What we would want in exchange would be referrals back.

Any designers here have any opinions on this?

Thanks in advance

Mark I have found a good inexpensive graphics designer.
His work is a good starting place for you network.

Ill be loading up my graphics today and if you will hit me up I will give you his contact information.