Morals and this industry

[PornoDoggy]

Pardon me.

I don't see a single shred of evidence that "morality" is an issue here. That being the case, negotiating the semantic difference between morals and ethics is hardly worth exploring.

You got offered some work. You turned it down, and are now crying in your beer (domestic - apparently your Christmas is so bad you can't afford an import).

You did so for one of two reasons, as best as I can tell - you either didn't feel you could do the work, or you needed an excuse to cry in your beer while wearing your "E" (for Ethical, of course) t-shirt.

If you turned it down because you weren't able to meet their requirements or expectations, you were just using common sense, IMHO, particularly if you are starting up a consulting business.

If you did not realize that you could earn as you learn, as many have suggested, then ... well, whatever.

This thread works well for the holiday season. The rabbis and bishops have made pronouncements from on high, and the acolytes have cried hosanna in the appropriate places. It has played out like watching “Miracle on 34th Street” - it's an amazing film for those who haven't seen it before, and oddly comforting for those who've seen it many times before.

[RyanLanane]

Learned alot by making this post, that much I can definitely say. I would also have to say it was one of the most 'hopping' topics brought to this baord in a while...

I will admit it will alter the way I handle things a little bit but for the main part I will stay as I am. Alot of you really are comparing apples to oranges here. I would have no problems (now at least) doing any of the things Nick mentioned were 'immoral' but huge money makers. Such as spam, etc.. Now I would though, as my ass wil end up in jail.

I am not here to defend myself, to all of you who have said.. "Failure"

You're right - I can't deny it. I have failed myself and my family in alot of ways, mainly myself.... I haven't been able to find where I really feel I belong in the business world yet - although honestly I am really starting to get a good feel for what I would be excellent at.

Unless a major company gives me a chance though, will take some college at least. My chance with the one major company is coming up tomorrow evening when I have a phone call with someone that has been set in place for 10 days. I hope I can convince him I have the qualities I have picked up on having the last 2-3 months.. and show him how it will improve his company's botom line.

I have no problem being an asshoe and firing people - I have no problem being an asshole to a boss I disagree with if I feel I have no idea what in the hell they want - I have no problem with growing a set of brass and using it.

I just choose where to use it differently then some do - I belong in a situation where I have an underling to do the type of shit you guys can do day in and out... That way it doesn't weight on my concious. Not self reghteous, just who I am and how I feel .. Good or Bad ..

P.S. 10 Years down the road I very well may say 'fuck that - thinking like that cost me millions' but right now it's how I feel... so until then ...

[Sin]

Originally Posted by RyanLanane

Unless a major company gives me a chance though

You seem to have an external locust of control.

[Trev]

This is one of the best threads we've had on Oprano in a long time.


I must admit I've only glanced at most of it after reading Serge's first post. That was a winner imho.

[slavdogg]

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[Weg Cory]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Morals are a convenient excuse to rationalise failure and missed opportunity"
...

I hope you do not mind my slight adjustment. It feels so pretty to me now.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Morals are a convenient excuse to rationalise failure...

"Hi honey ,Oh I could have made a fortune , but on moral grounds I didn't"

So, someone comes at you with a plan to do big commercial in a country where it's legal. No risk to you with the way the deal is set up. Just plain easy money. Talking millions a month. You gonna do it? Or are you a failure?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, someone comes at you with a plan to do big commercial in a country where it's legal. No risk to you with the way the deal is set up. Just plain easy money. Talking millions a month. You gonna do it? Or are you a failure?

Stupid question to ask a man with 4 children under the age of 13.

Last idiot that said anything about to NIck almost got his throat punctured by a salad fork.

Very stupid.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, someone comes at you with a plan to do big commercial in a country where it's legal. No risk to you with the way the deal is set up. Just plain easy money. Talking millions a month. You gonna do it? Or are you a failure?

Idiot...

Are you drunk? Or high?

Its not a matter of morality...thats falls under a matter of decency.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Its not a matter of morality...thats falls under a matter of decency.

Cutting that pretty tight there. I may not have the private school edumacation but in my book morality and decency are one and the same.

There are things that we do not touch because of our morals. All of us.

And while Morals can often used as an excuse for failure they also can be the reason for success.

From dictionary.com:

mo·ral·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.

de·cen·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dsn-s)
n. pl. de·cen·cies
The state or quality of being decent; propriety.
Conformity to prevailing standards of propriety or modesty.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Stupid question to ask a man with 4 children under the age of 13.

Last idiot that said anything about to NIck almost got his throat punctured by a salad fork.

Very stupid.

And I have 3 kids too, what of it? Nobody accused or even suggested that anyone in this conversation would be attracted to a deal like that.

That's the point.

Our morals would not allow us to be involved with a deal like that and further more our consciences would probably force us to beat the shit out of the guy who suggested it.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Cutting that pretty tight there. I may not have the private school edumacation but in my book morality and decency are one and the same.

There are things that we do not touch because of our morals. All of us.

And while Morals can often used as an excuse for failure they also can be the reason for success.

From dictionary.com:

mo·ral·i·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-rl-t, mô-)
n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.

de·cen·cy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dsn-s)
n. pl. de·cen·cies
The state or quality of being decent; propriety.
Conformity to prevailing standards of propriety or modesty.

I reiterate...

idiot!!!!!

Morality is set by society , decency is within you.

[Newton]

Originally Posted by sarettah

So, someone comes at you with a plan to do big commercial in a country where it's legal. No risk to you with the way the deal is set up. Just plain easy money. Talking millions a month. You gonna do it? Or are you a failure?

WTF is this shit!!? What sort of fucking queston is that?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

And I have 3 kids too, what of it? Nobody accused or even suggested that anyone in this conversation would be attracted to a deal like that.

That's the point.

Our morals would not allow us to be involved with a deal like that and further more our consciences would probably force us to beat the shit out of the guy who suggested it.

Do you understand the whole underlying philosophy of "I have the morals I can afford"?

Are you truly that fucking dense?

If you can't fucking understand that, and use as an example, then I'm writing your stupid fucking ass off.

[Nickatilynx]

Why rise to the bait LOL

Sarettah is being an idiot on so many different levels ...

Fuck off , Russ.....

[Anthony]

If you think I'm taking this shit too serious, I've been accused by Kaiser and his crew of back when I ran Netpond.

That accusation was hard to shake off, you are a fucking idiot to bring that up.

A BONAFIDE FUCKING IDIOT to bring up on any webmaster board as a means to make money.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Morality is set by society , decency is within you.

Exactly!

[Anthony]

I'm seriously spun up here.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Anthony

A BONAFIDE FUCKING IDIOT to bring up on any webmaster board as a means to make money.

I think this should be in the posting rules!

[sarettah]

Ok, there is a disconnect somewhere here.

For me, my morality is formed completely on what Nick is calling decency. To me, they are one and the same and that is where confusion lies for me.

No one has accused anyone of fucking anything, sheez.

I used it as an example of something that none of us would touch.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Trev

I think this should be in the posting rules!

I tried to add the rule, but I've got a gremlin
It should have ended:

ONLY A FUCKING BONAFIED IDIOT WOULD BRING UP ON AN ADULT WEBMASTERBOARD!!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Ok, there is a disconnect somewhere here.

For me, my morality is formed completely on what Nick is calling decency. To me, they are one and the same and that is where confusion lies for me.

No one has accused anyone of fucking anything, sheez.

I used it as an example of something that none of us would touch.

Why would there be two words in the English language that mean exactly the same?

You learn that no two have the EXACT same meaning with the private education you seem so bothered by...

[Anthony]

SO you would bring up a heionous thing as to make your point, which btw, is used to bolster your definition of morality?

Are you on crack?

I've said some fucked up things on drugs, shit the things Nick and me came up with no one would believe. was never any of them.

Nice to know that you think so low of Nick, that he would even cater to such a sceanario.

[sarettah]

And if everyone hadn't quoted the post and repeated the two letters (the eleventh letter of the alphabet and the 16th letter of the alphabet) I could have cleaned it off....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Nice to know that you think so low of Nick would even cater to such a sceanario.

I think I've already answered that.

No I don't think he would let the guy finish the question.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Anthony

SO you would bring up a heionous thing as to make your point, which btw, is used to bolster your definition of morality?

.

Sadder actually , mate...

Its bolster how "clever" he appears to be to the reaership.

Being clever is nice , its fun being witty and a smart ass , on the whole though nothing beats having productive traffic.

;-)))

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Sadder actually , mate...

Its bolster how "clever" he appears to be to the reaership.

Being clever is nice , its fun being witty and a smart ass , on the whole though nothing beats having productive traffic.

;-)))

I'd rather be rich than witty. It's why I am so jealous of you. I'm working on the rich part.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Its bolster how "clever" he appears to be to the reaership.

I wasn't trying to be clever.

I have made many decisions in my life based on my morals. I do not know how much gold I missed, if any, and don't really care.

If something makes me morally uncomfortable. I don't do it. That doesn't make me a failure or mean that I am using morality as an excuse for failure.

And that is what I was trying to point out.

Unfortunately, in this biz, (as you say pornographers with morals) somethings have to be into the extreme to get to a point where NONE of us would do it.

[Trev]

Not meaning to butt in here, but Nick stated on page one of this thread that he was a "decent" man and with being "indecent" I would have taken it as FACT that he nor any other "decent" person would follow those lines!


Wrong analogy, wrong time, wrong place - period!

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I do not know how much gold I missed, if any, and don't really care.

LOL... A blatant lie.

It took you time to type "I don't really care" , that means you in fact do care or you wouldn't have taken the time to type it....

I'm actually more interested now in why you hold my private education against me?

That was your opening salvo....

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

I'm actually more interested now in why you hold my private education against me?

I don't. I hold Buff's private education against him.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

LOL... A blatant lie.

It took you time to type "I don't really care" , that means you in fact do care or you wouldn't have taken the time to type it....

I'm actually more interested now in why you hold my private education against me?

That was your opening salvo....

No, it mean's I don't care. I waste no time on what might have been when it comes to something I passed based on a moral choice.

I do spend time examining that which got passed me that I would have no problem with.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I don't. I hold Buff's private education against him.

Well thats understandable.

I always say , the most expensive education I ever received was at the hands of Serge and Scottpb.

It was also the best.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

I do spend time examining that which got passed me that I would have no problem with.

Such as?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Trev

I tried to add the rule, but I've got a gremlin
It should have ended:

ONLY A FUCKING BONAFIED IDIOT WOULD BRING UP ON AN ADULT WEBMASTERBOARD!!

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=40233



http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=43888&

[Osiris]

I have a question. Is a person a failure because they've made some bad choices in business, but they're working their way up to being a success?


I have no excuses, just mistakes I've made along the way that prevented me from reaching my goals sooner then I'd like and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I don't regret the mistakes because I've learned from them. One of the things I've learned is to NEVER, EVER, rely on someone else to provide an income for you. If you HAVE to work for someone in this industry you better also work on shit for yourself because there's no telling when person "X" is going to say they no longer need you. When that happens you're fucked...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sarettah

http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=40233



http://www.oprano.com/msgboard/showthread.php?t=43888&

Goddamn, didn't you quit over this huff already?

Gotta get the last word in, eh?

In anyway did he suggest anyone sell KP?

Just like a little kid who has to have the last word in.

Sad.

[sarettah]

First of all, sorry if I bothered any body. If anybody thought in my hypothetical question that I was implying anything bad about anyone. Sorry bout that.

But, in defense here to the rest of the bullshit. I have done several searches across the board and I at least in my hypothetical question used the abbreviation (which means the same as Kitchen Police in the military for anyone lost).

The actual term(s) associated with it have been all over this board. In thread titles, in conversation. So, to tell me that only a bonafide idiot brings it up, to tell me, as I was in an icq, that it has never been mentioned on Oprano is a total crock of bullshit.

Your fucking gangland tactics of 3 or 4 on one might work on some folks but with me all you get is a big FUCK OFF.

If the subject makes you all so fucking indignant how come it hasn't been an issue the other times the terms have appeared on the board.

You can all go fucking die.

Thank you.

[Newton]

You started the shit with the "You gonna do it? Or are you a failure?", which was a personal attack, not speculation. It's not gangland tactics either, its common fucking sense and you obviously still don't see the difference.

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by Newton

You started the shit with the "You gonna do it? Or are you a failure?", which was a personal attack, not speculation. It's not gangland tactics either, its common fucking sense and you obviously still don't see the difference.

No. I did not. I posed a hypothetical question against his quoted morals being just an excuse for failure. Period.

i did not dare him. His quote indicates that if you didn't succeed because your morals got in your way then you are a failure and I was calling bullshit on it.

turning it into the rest of the shit was gangland 3 on 1 henchmen tactics and you know it Newton.

[PornoDoggy]

I still say that the distinction between morality and decency, at least in practical as opposed to academic terms, is the distinction between the left and right sides of the same hair.

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by sarettah

Your fucking gangland tactics of 3 or 4 on one might work on some folks but with me all you get is a big FUCK OFF.

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by sarettah

No. I did not. I posed a hypothetical question against his quoted morals being just an excuse for failure. Period.

i did not dare him. His quote indicates that if you didn't succeed because your morals got in your way then you are a failure and I was calling bullshit on it.

turning it into the rest of the shit was gangland 3 on 1 henchmen tactics and you know it Newton.

Umm it was pointed out to me by Anthony...I pissed with you a bit the finished with a smile lol...then went to my daughters end of term concert and came back to you losing it dude?

Yeah it has been mentioned on the board..I said it hadn't been that was to emphasise my point. LOL

WTF! Are you drunk or just off it lol

[Anthony]

Well, if he was drunk, tomorrow is another day.

Can't say in the past we didn't post stupid shit and regretted it in the morning.

[Nickatilynx]

Naughty henchmen!!
Bad henchman!!!

ahahahahahahahahahahah

Oh fuck!!!

Now PD and osiris and sarettah has ganged up against me...gangland tactics lol.......

Jesus Christ.

[Hooper]

nice thread.

The more money I make, the more I realize that everybody making money is fucking somebody somewhere somehow.

When I make a dollar, I take it from somebody else, it didn't appear out of thin air.

Do any of us really have anything all that original, of value and terribly unique to offer?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx

Naughty henchmen!!
Bad henchman!!!

ahahahahahahahahahahah

Oh fuck!!!

Now PD and osiris and sarettah has ganged up against me...gangland tactics lol.......

Jesus Christ.

< <<<<<<<----- Bad Henchman.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Hooper

nice thread.

The more money I make, the more I realize that everybody making money is fucking somebody somewhere somehow.

When I make a dollar, I take it from somebody else, it didn't appear out of thin air.

Do any of us really have anything all that original, of value and terribly unique to offer?

I always knew you stuck around and read the threads.

Are you gonna be in Vegas?

[Nickatilynx]

Originally Posted by Hooper

nice thread.

The more money I make, the more I realize that everybody making money is fucking somebody somewhere somehow.

When I make a dollar, I take it from somebody else, it didn't appear out of thin air.

Do any of us really have anything all that original, of value and terribly unique to offer?

In a nutshell I'd agree....

and yup , we are all doing the same old things........

Depressing really isn't it?

[Dravyk]

There's more than one way to skin a penguin.