The Hun bans Paycounter. sorry KC

[masterp74]

this was posted at some other board and if there's anything I can do to help KC, let me know. If you need a shoulder to cry on, Brand0n's here for you





The Hun speaks:


Registered: Jan 2001
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 697


Ok, Sextracker is now no longer allowed on submissions to the Yellow Pages. I also blacklisted paycounter for the exact same reason. Blind ads and dialer loads, and this time immediately after clicking their counter, which is clealy designed to make visitors believe there's some sort of movie or something...

I hope there will be a good alternative counter soon

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King Weasel will save KC,
he always comes to his friends rescue!

[masterp74]

I think worldsex.com is going the same route on the BANnage of 4th of July!.

[Rolo]

I just wish TGP guys were just as hard when it came to free hardcore content:

"Ok, FreeHardcoreSmutMovies is now no longer allowed on submissions to the Yellow Pages. I also blacklisted OneHourFreeCumShotMovies for the exact same reason. Hardcore Movies and Pics loads, and this time immediately after clicking to their gallery, which is clealy designed to make visitors believe that porn is free or something...

I hope there will be a less free hardcore porn soon"

I wonder what have been the most expensive event for the adult industry:

1. dialers
2. free hardcore content

[Vick]

Is this just ironically funny?

Let's give the surfer free stuff but not try to monetize?

[Opti]

Lol.. you sound incredulous Vick! :P

Set you brain to stunned then check this... Voltar Posted a mini rant about being rejected from the Hun today allegedly due to his "advertising being likely to pull too many clicks"

It is good the way the Hun always has the balls to tell people his reasons though. :P

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Originally posted by Opti@Jul 4 2004, 09:11 AM
Lol.. you sound incredulous Vick! :P

Set you brain to stunned then check this... Voltar Posted a mini rant about being rejected from the Hun today allegedly due to his "advertising being likely to pull too many clicks"

It is good the way the Hun always has the balls to tell people his reasons though. :P

hmmmm...I always thought of Hun to be a Porn Mother Theresa,
with surfers and webmasters being a subject of his generosity,
selflessness
;-)))))

[Rolo]

Opti, I think this is gallery from Voltar, which was rejected by the hun?:

http://www.bobtheknob.com/xxx-pussy-pic.html

Now, the hun probably have 1000s of new submissions he could list, so he choosed not to list this, which is fair (its his own business)... however if I bought gallery spots on the hun (or other tgps for that matter), then I´m sure I would be willing to pay even more, if the traffic was better converting and retaining - how can TGPs do this, well they could allow only paid galleries to show hardcore (with a few rules like no cumshot, long videos etc.), and free submissions to only show softcore or censored hardcore. This would leave the "hardcore" promotion to people who understand that there is a fine line between turning someone on, and making them cum, which again will mean more $$$ for everyone.

Yeah, some TGPs could loose bookmarks short term, however if they got enough paid spots to fill up their daily submissions need, then problem is solved, because the paid spots are hardcore.

Let the hardcore spots be controlled by someone who actual cares about their product/$$$$$$, and let the free submissions be for them who have unique marketing skills (ex. making censored hardcore, looking hardcore).

[Nickatilynx]

ahhh... the old days...

I remember when I used to use loads of bogus emails to submit my own accidentally on purpose non ndexed image folders to him and then once traffic started flick them ;-)))

Til he wrote to me and said , "Nick , some lil bastards are finding your image folders and submitting them , I just felt I should let you know"

hehehehe Really? , I came clean , and he said ok don't flick them for a few hours ...nice

Haven't sent a gallery to the hun since prolly 98 LOL.

Anyways his site , his rules.You want his traffic , you obey his rules.

Anyways , I thought he sold up ?

[Opti]

Be wonderful if we self regulate Rolo... but there is too many people ready to jump under the guard of those that allow it.

Free hardcore is here until someone makes it unprofitable or illegal for affiliate programs to take traffic from it imho.

I remember when I used to use loads of bogus emails to submit my own accidentally on purpose non ndexed image folders to him and then once traffic started flick them ;-)))

Aaahhhh... where's Baldbastard? :-))

(that was also a nasty trick to do to another webmaster when badwidth was 8 bucks a GB too )

I actually used to think Hun was a bit an asshole for listing those ... i forgot about that... he really does like to give it all away doesnt he!!

[Vick]

Amazing how those non indexed folders used to be found in the old days
ah ha ha ha ha

Bottom line is it is Patrick's site and he can do with it as he pleases -
even if it is the Mother Teresa of porn and has hurt everyone's pocket long term including his own (sort if interesting hes still in the game, maybe he really does love the surfers)

But the abundance of material to be GIVEN away there still makes me scratch my head

I bought banner space there back in 2000 and couldn't convert it, can't imagine how challenging it is now - guess someone may be converting it or no one would be buying gallery placements - unless they have $ to burn and just like to see counter numbers spin

[Nickatilynx]

Remember how a pop up that looked like an open index drew hits like strippers to Ben Affleck?

Sweeeet

Also remember that guy ,Andy , was it ? That did that bannerswap thing?

It was a great way to test what surfers clicked on.

I remember sitting with GG and Tommy and telling them how to increase there $$$ from all the traffic they controlled and watching there faces turn evil.....

LOL

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 4 2004, 10:20 AM
Remember how a pop up that looked like an open index drew hits like strippers to Ben Affleck?

Sweeeet

Also remember that guy ,Andy , was it ? That did that bannerswap thing?

It was a great way to test what surfers clicked on.

I remember sitting with GG and Tommy and telling them how to increase there $$$ from all the traffic they controlled and watching there faces turn evil.....

LOL

Evil huh?

[gonzo]

Originally posted by Nickatilynx@Jul 4 2004, 10:20 AM


Also remember that guy ,Andy , was it ? That did that bannerswap thing?

It was a great way to test what surfers clicked on.

Andy Dunn....sewswap before Gamma got it.

Incredible tool...incredible newsletter.

[Rolo]

Originally posted by Opti@Jul 4 2004, 07:01 AM
Free hardcore is here until someone makes it unprofitable or illegal for affiliate programs to take traffic from it imho.

What if we could make it more profitable? Like I described - having the free hardcore only controlled by people who want to turn it into $$$$$$? The only sacrifice is prehaps some lost bookmarks, but lets say the gallery spot value goes up 50% (higher price, and more paid spots), however the traffic drops 30% (which I think is worst case)? That is still more $$$ at the end of the day :-)

TGPs are like old houses, and today alot of them are controlled by slumlord mentality, however if they cleaned up their part of town - got rid of the people who do not pay rent, rob the stores etc, and improve their buildings and surroundings, so people with money wanted to live there, then they could make more money...

[Opti]

I'd like to offer some informed input Rolo... but I dont know sweet FA about TGPing really.. have a few linksites though and there seems to be almost dailly discussion amongst that group about how to best bring in a paid partner account system.

Not a paid spot thing like TGPs... a one off fee to buy a partner account that all (or lots) of linksites might use like a whitelist. The cost of $50 or so a pop each time a scammer gets banned would hopefully kill off a lot of the problem kids immediately.

Your idea of only allowing partners to submit hardcore content could work wth that... but you still have to convince everyone... and many just couldn't care less about it ..

I also think those few bookmarkers are a lot more valued by most sites than you imagine.

I'm with you on the plan... but am sceptical you can convince the traffic hubs to all agree to one standard and all do it at once... But if they do, I think I will start up up an all hardcore TGP myself. ( being really honest about it)

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by Opti@Jul 4 2004, 11:59 AM
I'd like to offer some informed input Rolo... but I dont know sweet FA about TGPing really.. have a few linksites though and there seems to be almost dailly discussion amongst that group about how to best bring in a paid partner account system.

Not a paid spot thing like TGPs... a one off fee to buy a partner account that all (or lots) of linksites might use like a whitelist. The cost of $50 or so a pop each time a scammer gets banned would hopefully kill off a lot of the problem kids immediately.

Your idea of only allowing partners to submit hardcore content could work wth that... but you still have to convince everyone... and many just couldn't care less about it ..

I also think those few bookmarkers are a lot more valued by most sites than you imagine.

I'm with you on the plan... but am sceptical you can convince the traffic hubs to all agree to one standard and all do it at once... But if they do, I think I will start up up an all hardcore TGP myself. ( being really honest about it)

These are good ideas. Something we have been thinking about with Amateur Index for awhile.

[Opti]

Mike,

Amateur index would be a big drawcard to webmasters in that sort of system.. The time is ripe for someone to do this first and well... Would tie up a captive audience of almost all the daily workhorse webmasters eyes too.

It needs a few other key people like Tommy, Greenguy, Penisbot, Richard's et al to support a global system to make it work. But they would all be open to a good proposal at the minute imho.

I wouldn't be talking this up so publicly if I thought I could do it myself btw. Just really want it to happen asap to make my life easier... and as I think it will really make a sharp difference to the dollars generated overall by Linklists.

[Rolo]

I´m not sure I have to convince anyone, since the TGP model is already changing - maybe in 1-2 years most TGPs will only have paid spots and hosted galleries, and then TGP owners will start looking at $, when choosing which galleries get listed (many are already, however they have not started the part of optimizing their own product, but this will come when more focus is at $, than on traffic).

The "traffic wanking game" is getting less important - as said in the hun posts, he needed a counter, so he can sell gallery spots, not because of an ego trip (ok, maybe that part will never die off, but it will be less important). What I want to know as a gallery spot buyer is the demographics of the tgp, and the traffic numbers - I´m not really interested if the site is #1, or #1000 on a counter list.

Free submissions to TGPs, Link Lists, SEs etc. should be replaced with something where both parties have an interest in making $.

[gonzo]

Out of all of you good folks offering solutions and input.
How many of you currently run TGPs?

From what Ive read some of you guys are actually defending the use of autodownloaders and dialers?

Am I misreading somethng?

[the Shemp]

sites llike the HUN want all the surfers to come in, look around, click some links and come back again real soon...same with me, thats how we make our money.

i want a surfer to be able to come in and know that he wont be impeded or violated by unwanted downloads, dialers and console hells. i want him to be a happy guy, i want him to book mark me, i want him to have confidence in my site.
But most important, i want him in my stats, so i can sell some advertising

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Originally posted by the Shemp@Jul 4 2004, 02:05 PM
sites llike the HUN want all the surfers to come in, look around, click some links and come back again real soon...same with me, thats how we make our money.

i want a surfer to be able to come in and know that he wont be impeded or violated by unwanted downloads, dialers and console hells. i want him to be a happy guy, i want him to book mark me, i want him to have confidence in my site.
But most important, i want him in my stats, so i can sell some advertising

really?
I was positive yuo only do it for webmaster's benefit so they can make more money than you and visit your grave on the yearly basis
;-))))

[the Shemp]

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano+Jul 4 2004, 11:09 AM-->