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Old 02-10-2004   #1
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Interesting article this week in MacLeans magazine...

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics...209_74911_74911
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Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
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I strongly suggest if the Canadiens don't like Bush that they not vote for him.....
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You didn't read the article, Mike.

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Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

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I thought Canada was a commune! Damn, learn something new everyday!
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You didn't read the article, Mike.

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I read the first 2 paragraphs, it was very predictible....

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Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

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Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

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See that is the funny thing Alex. I do not care what ANY other country, or citizen of another country thinks about the US.

We must do what is best for OUR Nation, OUR National Security, and OUR future.

As one of the First American's said: Nations have no permanent friends, or allies, only interests.
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Here's a news flash: Canada is a "friendly country", and we are right next door, like next door neighbors. In theory, we should all get along and have nice opinions of each other.

If Canada don't like you, imagine how well you play in holeinthegroundistan.... or at the UN.

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But....what does America get from Canada? Right now, we're basically protecting you since you have no real military. Seems like Canada would want to be our good neighbors rather than the other way around.
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"THIS fight applying that power may be comprable to using a sledgehammer on a quantity of mercury. Oh, it'll break up all right ... but give it ten minutes after you quit applying that sledgehammer, and whattya think's gonna happen? "

I'll give you another analogy. America is stumbling through the world trying to kill wasps with a baseball bat. Doomed to failure. W is a moron. Plain and simple and unfortunately he is a moron with a baseball bat that will crush a few heads trying to kill wasps.
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You are not the world's only super power.
Who else do you include as world superpowers? The Soviet Union disintegrated and as much as China will one day probably be a superpower I wouldn't consider them as such yet.

Consider the holy trinity of power; military, economic, and political.

China isn't even the largest economy in their region.

They play a small role on the international political stage - at least in comparison to the US. They are not even the dominant influential power in their region because of the Japanese/US relationship.

Can a nation that doesn't even have an aircraft carrier in the water yet be considered a military super power?

China faces incredible challenges just to continue their predicted rise to #2 or #3 economy in the world a generation from now. They not only have to deal with the likely internal political turmoil associated with much of their population desiring democracy but also potential threats from their immediate nearby neighbors (Japan, India, Russia, and Taiwan all of which have been the source of historical difficulties) and also what many communist nations have found to be unsustainable economic growth rates as the initial rise from forced urbanization and industrialization subsides (i.e. Russia). Oh yeah, and a massive population in a world of increasing communications serves up the possible threat of unrule.

There is only one superpower right now.
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Availability of porn doesn't enter into the discussion of superpowerdom?
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LOL

You know when you have been reading a board for a long time when you can guess the arguments each contributer is going to make , before they actually do.

(most probably knew I'd post something like this too , I guess)

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That is one lucky mofo, PD! A warrior has no greater love than combat, so he must be in Heaven!
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You know when you have been reading a board for a long time when you can guess the arguments each contributer is going to make , before they actually do.
You know you've been posting on the board for a long time when you can do a search and cut and paste your old posts into a new thread. ;-)
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"but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans."

Could you please show me where the line of Iraqui's killing Americans forms? Not a lot of Iraqui martyrs about. Mostly Saudis who do that shit to Americans, not Iraquis.
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"but you're worried about Americans killing people who have sworn their lives to dying as martyrs trying to murder Americans."

Could you please show me where the line of Iraqui's killing Americans forms? Not a lot of Iraqui martyrs about. Mostly Saudis who do that shit to Americans, not Iraquis.
While the Sunni are a minority in Iraq, they hate us.
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Canada is actually concerned about what Americans are labeling as "anti-American". We aren't necessarily so, however many of us are fed up to here with the Republican company line. Bush has almost zero regard for his neighbour to the north. The fact that he failed to mention Canada's help to US friends during and around the time of the 9/11 events (that's only one example) did not go un-noticed.

Don't even get started on Iraq. The UN exists for a reason. It still holds power and always will. We play by the rules, and the US (or shall I say the Republicans) need to play by them also.

The Republican party in my opinion (and too many others) is bringing nothing to improve the state of your union. In fact, it clearly brings detriment. If I'm wrong, please elaborate and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.
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Canada is actually concerned about what Americans are labeling as "anti-American". We aren't necessarily so, however many of us are fed up to here with the Republican company line. Bush has almost zero regard for his neighbour to the north. The fact that he failed to mention Canada's help to US friends during and around the time of the 9/11 events (that's only one example) did not go un-noticed.

Don't even get started on Iraq. The UN exists for a reason. It still holds power and always will. We play by the rules, and the US (or shall I say the Republicans) need to play by them also.

The Republican party in my opinion (and too many others) is bringing nothing to improve the state of your union. In fact, it clearly brings detriment. If I'm wrong, please elaborate and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Chris, I think Canada isa great country and a historic allie of the US. Sometimes friends disagree. But Canadians should not be telling us how to protect our interests. It is one thing to be anti-war, and think our policy is wrong - but whining about it.... well it seems to be a Canadian past time. ( at least from the Canadians I see posting on the boards)

The UN does not look out of OUR interests. It is shocking to see how many people are ignorant on the concept of National Soverignty.

Any President who submits US interests to the UN should be impeached immediately.
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The Russians were a super power and had a shit economy. Their huge military has gone and the cold war is over because they imploded, not because we won it.

But having said that, their superpower status was never questioned because of their military might.
As you said, "the Russians were a superpower". Exactly. You said it in past tense for a reason.

When the Soviet Union collapsed it lost it's superpower clout largely because it lost it's political power. The nation was no longer able to rule over the Baltic states. The satellite nations declared their independence. The threat of communism spreading in central and South America abated. Many nations around the world abandoned the Russian system. They turned to the US for military training, aid and sales.

Dozens of nations which only a few decades ago were communist nations because of Soviet influence now have free elections.

Russia is a power in the same way that France and Japan are but none are superpowers.
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Don't even get started on Iraq. The UN exists for a reason. It still holds power and always will. We play by the rules, and the US (or shall I say the Republicans) need to play by them also.

The Republican party in my opinion (and too many others) is bringing nothing to improve the state of your union. In fact, it clearly brings detriment. If I'm wrong, please elaborate and I will chalk it up to a lesson learned.
Fuck the UN. In the ass.
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PD, some people around here really need to broaden their minds and let in a little perspective.

Mike, I still invite you or anyone else to tell us what the Republicans have brought to improve the state of your union. I would really like to know.
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Fuck the UN

Kick the UN out of NYC and get the US out of the UN
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Mike, I still invite you or anyone else to tell us what the Republicans have brought to improve the state of your union. I would really like to know.
Bush has kicked the living crap out of a lot of bad guys, and I never have to worry about Osama Bin Laden directing any more terror against me. If he's still alive, he's being guarded by American soldiers in some secret cage. More likely, he's dead as fuck.
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Gee that is a shock!!

I am curious as to what most Americans think about the Candian Prime Minister? Or Canadians in general?

I bet a majority has no earthly idea who he is.

Is it better to be hated or completely trivial?
Maybe Americans don't know who the Canadian Prime Minister is because they are largely ignorant.



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