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The U.S.-led coalition in Iraq (news - web sites) on Sunday closed a newspaper sponsored by a popular anti-American Shiite cleric, accusing it of creating unrest and inciting violence against occupation forces.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 29 2004, 10:28 AM
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What are you fucking retarded?
possible
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Do we crackdown on anti abortion groups that publish papers that advocate the killing of abortion doctors?
yes, you can't legally advocate murder and incite violence or incite others to commit murder.
you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater. you can't put full page ads in USA Today advocating people to yell fire in a crowded movie theater.
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Do we shut down the papers of neo nazis that advocate the overthrow of the government and the death of the mud races?
"supporting" an idea, is not the same as telling people to go blow people up or plant bombs on the road side or shoot people.
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This is a freedom of speech issue fuckstick.
You don't seem to understand what "Freedom of Speech" means. it does not mean you can say anything to anyone because its your God given right to do so.
Go on the radio and spend 1 hour calling me a cocksucking, motherfucking cunt, then come back and preach to me about "freedom of speech" once you get out of jail.
It's hard to believe that you brag about both education and intelligence while preaching ignorance and stupidity. Thats quite the contradiction.
yes, you can't legally advocate murder and incite violence or incite others to commit murder.
100% bullshit. I am free in this country to bundle my hatred of other groups of people in political and religious rhetoric in print and in speech. If what you said was true there would be no Klan, there would have been no Aryan Nations, there would have been no Black Panther Party. Hate speech is protected speech, I suggest you google.
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Go on the radio and spend 1 hour calling me a cocksucking, motherfucking cunt, then come back and preach to me about "freedom of speech" once you get out of jail.
What? Yet I could do it on cable and in print. Whats your fucking point? I cant cuss on the radio? Yeah, thats relevant. I also cant call in bomb threats to the post office, point is?
"100% bullshit. I am free in this country to bundle my hatred of other groups of people in political and religious rhetoric in print and in speech. If what you said was true there would be no Klan, there would have been no Aryan Nations, there would have been no Black Panther Party."
Oh Wise and Educated One... 8 Mile City College is failing both you and society.
There is a difference between saying "I hate all niggers" (and why or expressing opinions about "niggers") and saying "I am urging you all to go out tonight and kill as many niggers as possible."
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Go on the radio and spend 1 hour calling me a cocksucking, motherfucking cunt, then come back and preach to me about "freedom of speech" once you get out of jail.
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What? Yet I could do it on cable and in print. Whats your fucking point? I cant cuss on the radio? Yeah, thats relevant. I also cant call in bomb threats to the post office, point is
The point, is that the law says what you can and cannot say and where you can and cannot say various things. The individual does not make that determination nor does it come from devine right, wholly from The Constitution or your own drug induced "enlightenment"
Soon I guess Labret will fight for the right of all Iraqies to show FIRE in a crowded mosque!
Labret the US did not go into Iraq for democracy....
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"Our commitment to democracy is also tested in the Middle East, which is my focus today, and must be a focus of American policy for decades to come. In many nations of the Middle East -- countries of great strategic importance -- democracy has not yet taken root. And the questions arise: Are the peoples of the Middle East somehow beyond the reach of liberty? Are millions of men and women and children condemned by history or culture to live in despotism? Are they alone never to know freedom, and never even to have a choice in the matter? I, for one, do not believe it. I believe every person has the ability and the right to be free."
Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 29 2004, 03:04 PM "Our commitment to democracy is also tested in the Middle East, which is my focus today, and must be a focus of American policy for decades to come. In many nations of the Middle East -- countries of great strategic importance -- democracy has not yet taken root. And the questions arise: Are the peoples of the Middle East somehow beyond the reach of liberty? Are millions of men and women and children condemned by history or culture to live in despotism? Are they alone never to know freedom, and never even to have a choice in the matter? I, for one, do not believe it. I believe every person has the ability and the right to be free."
Read the whole thing, its nothing but about bringing democracy to Iraq.
I hate arguing politics with you, I dont want my domains to somehow disappear one day.
I guess democracy in Iraq doesnt include freedom of the press.
Labret you try to have everything your way in debates. We both know what is on whitehouse.org, just like anything else from the White House is going to be POLITICAL, and thus have a spin.
The American people like to think when they fight wars they are liberating and bring democracy. ( the US has liberated more people and brought real economic and politcal reforms then any other nation - but this is an aside). We are in Iraq for OIL, STABILITY, and to fight the war on terror. If there can be some democratic movement and free markets open up, that would be nice - but its not the primary goal.
You should now better.
The big old meanie US does what it wants because it can. The US must look after its interests.
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Originally posted by Mike AI@Mar 29 2004, 03:09 PM the US has liberated more people and brought real economic and politcal reforms then any other nation - but this is an aside
Originally posted by PornoDoggy@Mar 29 2004, 03:59 PM
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the US has liberated more people and brought real economic and politcal reforms then any other nation
and Santa Claus brought my daughters those My Pretty Ponies every year.
Name one other country who has brought more democracy, and economic freedom then the US.
PS how can you even stand to live in a country you loath so much?? I will personally pay for any one way ticket for you to leave!
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Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 29 2004, 04:16 PM See that the problem with your kind. Loathing your governments foreign policy does not mean you hate your country.
Its true.
Labret, can you name a country which has brought democracy and free markets to more people the the US?
It is one thing to dislike certain foreign policy actions, we can all find fault in some - but its another to loath every action.
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Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 29 2004, 11:46 AM
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yes, you can't legally advocate murder and incite violence or incite others to commit murder.
100% bullshit. I am free in this country to bundle my hatred of other groups of people in political and religious rhetoric in print and in speech. If what you said was true there would be no Klan, there would have been no Aryan Nations, there would have been no Black Panther Party. Hate speech is protected speech, I suggest you google.
You bring up two completely unrelated issues here Labret
while 'hate' speech is protected, advocating/encouraging murder/violence is not. I know of two court cases where those who encouraged the violence were in fact prosecuted successfully.
One for the killing of a black man by skinheads
and another the killing of an outspoken jewish radio personality by some other group of guys with nothing better to do then have their brains twisted like playdough.
While I agree with your intial post, that it IS, or appears to be, fucked up what they did to that cleric............did he encourage the killing of American Soldiers?................ I disagree wholeheartedly that encouraging violence or murder is or should be accepted.
Originally posted by spazlabz@Mar 29 2004, 01:20 PM
You bring up two completely unrelated issues here Labret
while 'hate' speech is protected, advocating/encouraging murder/violence is not. I know of two court cases where those who encouraged the violence were in fact prosecuted successfully.
One for the killing of a black man by skinheads
and another the killing of an outspoken jewish radio personality by some other group of guys with nothing better to do then have their brains twisted like playdough.
While I agree with your intial post, that it IS, or appears to be, fucked up what they did to that cleric............did he encourage the killing of American Soldiers?................ I disagree wholeheartedly that encouraging violence or murder is or should be accepted.
spaz
Please. The cases of Mulugetta Seraw being killed by East Side White Pride in Portland and Robert Mathews "the Orders" assassination of Alan Berg have NOTHING to do with anything we are talking about.
BTW, props to your knowledge of those cases. I had seen them discussed, but damned if I could have named them
Its the same tired cases everyone brings up. It proves you read an article in Teen People. Congrats.
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Labret, take a look at the two quotes in my earlier post.........
You'll see that those are related to the discussion at hand
or do you prefer your facts a bit more selective?
Someone won a civil suit against Metzger and White Aryan Resistance during the skinhead paranoia of the mid 80s. Thats about all I can think of. Its been attempted a lot, it rarely succeeds. Morris Dees of the Southern Povertly Law Center is at the forefront of it all. Go to his website and steal some material for next time.
I am unaware of any lawsuits regarding speech associated with Rober Mathews or the myriad of organizations he "worked" with.
Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 29 2004, 04:21 PM By democracy you mean installing pro-western puppet governments?
I would be more interested in seeing your list of countries that we brough a good and true democracy to. THAT I would like to see.
Democracy is a difficult word because it can mean so many things.
But I will throw out some countries to wrap your twisted mind on.
Japan, Germany, France, Belgium, and a few other small countries after WWII
Eastern Europe - E. Germany, Poland, etc... after cold war.
The sad part of this post is I already know you response....
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Originally posted by [Labret]@Mar 29 2004, 01:33 PM
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BTW, props to your knowledge of those cases. I had seen them discussed, but damned if I could have named them
Its the same tired cases everyone brings up. It proves you read an article in Teen People. Congrats.
I will have you know that I DO NOT read Teen People, I watch America Undercover (on HBO) and TDC
BAH! Teen People
I encourage you to encourage someone publically to kill another person, lets see how protected that speech is shall we?
Now that may seem flip, but it isn't, and I believe your far to educated to think that encouraging violence & murder is covered by free speech Labret
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I'm pretty sure it's the ghetto boy's "still". It's the song playing when they go ballistic on the fax machine in office space.
edit - actually I'm sure now:
Back up in your ass with the Resurrection
Is the group harder than an erection
That shows more affection
They wanna ban us on Capital Hill
Cause its die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas
All along [still] it was the geto, nothing but the geto
Takin short steps one foot at a time and keep my head low
And never let go
cause if I let go, then I'll be spineless
I'm goin' INSANE!
I think my mind just goes outta control
And judge your subjects muthafuckas read about
I touch on the shit that they be leavin' out
I seen this muthafucka's .9 smokin'
I seen the same nigga with the .9 die with his eyes open
And simply what this means is
He didn't know that every dog had his day
Until he seen his
I bet you muthafuckas will too
Because its die muthafucka, die muthafucka still fool
Die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still fool
Die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still
[I think it's something in the water man, it's just
gotta be in the water]
Awwww Fuck! Chuck's on a killing spree again
With guillotines for men
I walk around town with a frown on my face
Fuck the whole world, fixin' to catch a murder case
The murder rate
May increase if your caught up in the world
While it's dyin', I guarentee your fryin' cause I am
On the verge of knockin' muthafuckas out for no reason
Once I get down there'll be no breathin' it seems when
Muthafuckas wanna calm down, put his palm down
Seems I gots to lay the law down
Now its on pow what you to do? I'm askin' you
Step to face I'll break your ass in two, bastard you
Rather swim in some fuckin' hot tar
Before you fuck wit Willie D cause what I got for
Your ass will make ya shit your meal
Cause it's die muthafuckas, die muthafuckas still
Chorus X4
How many niggas brought they irons tonight? [Tell me]
How many niggas wanna ride tonight? [I do]
Pick out our victims when the time is right
We get they ass up off the corner cause they dyin' tonight
Niggas be all up in my mug
But it's a different story when them muthafuckas coughing up blood
[When he died, looking in his eyes, was he as he cried]
I bust another cap in his ass and he died, time is 5
Niggas be shootin' the gif like they for real
But when it jumps, they ain't got no murder skills
So Bill just, chops 'em down, watch 'em fall
And cut they ass head to toe, jaw to jaw
But I'ma make your bitch ass holla
Cause I'ma put a hole in your head
The size of a half a dolla
[Fuck around and get your cap peeled cause this is]
Die muthafucka, die muthafucka [kill]
Serge can you tell these clowns about what Greece did?
Keep stealing from our philosophers
we created Theater
while they (FILL IN THE NATIONALITY) were living in CAVES
ok so homosexuality never existed before?
and is homosexuality bad
I've got no problem with homosexuals do you?
maybe if you are a religious fuckin bush supporter
go fuck yourselves
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 30 2004, 09:51 AM Serge can you tell these clowns about what Greece did?
Keep stealing from our philosophers
we created Theater
while they (FILL IN THE NATIONALITY) were living in CAVES
ok so homosexuality never existed before?
and is homosexuality bad
I've got no problem with homosexuals do you?
maybe if you are a religious fuckin bush supporter
go fuck yourselves
uh yeah. "we did this"... "we did that"... "we did some shit several millenia ago"
and where is the mighty Greece of yesterday today? a 4th world country trying desperately to become a 3rd world country.
i am sure that makes those nights when they can afford to go to the theater all that much sweeter.
4th world, ha ha
you are an idiot
thanks for vacationg in the greek isles
and we did still works
what did the US do?
kill the indians and take over their land
SLAVERY
fuck off dude
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 30 2004, 10:43 AM 4th world, ha ha
you are an idiot
thanks for vacationg in the greek isles
and we did still works
what did the US do?
kill the indians and take over their land
SLAVERY
fuck off dude
how much modern and exclusively Greek technology did it take to create the islands?
Meni, i dont care about my heritage or history. I am just not that insecure about who i am to worry about it... and i certainly don't brag about it. your whole life is a big dick contenst "i fucked this stripper last night" ... "look at my big muscles" ... "so what if Greeks perfected male/male, male/boy anal sex, our beaches are better than yours"
Originally posted by JR@Mar 30 2004, 01:53 PM Meni, i dont care about my heritage or history. I am just not that insecure about who i am to worry about it... and i certainly don't brag about it. your whole life is a big dick contenst "i fucked this stripper last night" ... "look at my big muscles" ... "so what if Greeks perfected male/male, male/boy anal sex, our beaches are better than yours"
what are you compensating for?
JR i see " " marks
find those posts by me
I quoted dig
about Greece
you insult Greece about 'inventing' homosexualy
I show GREEK PRIDE and tell you to fuck off
and I show what we have done
is that bad?
you insulted me FIRST
look at my big muscles?
I say that all the time
i'm 165 lbs dude
if i appear big, thats fuckin GREAT, that's exactly what guys want
and find the stripper i fucked last night
last night i went to a hockey game and came home alone
you insulted Greece
I stand up for my country
you don't even have a fuckin country
Originally posted by Meni@Mar 30 2004, 11:34 AM
JR i see " " marks
find those posts by me
I quoted dig
about Greece
you insult Greece about 'inventing' homosexualy
I show GREEK PRIDE and tell you to fuck off
and I show what we have done
is that bad?
you insulted me FIRST
look at my big muscles?
I say that all the time
i'm 165 lbs dude
if i appear big, thats fuckin GREAT, that's exactly what guys want
and find the stripper i fucked last night
last night i went to a hockey game and came home alone
you insulted Greece
I stand up for my country
you don't even have a fuckin country
i dont have a country? huh?
i dont think that anyone on this message board will argue that you have made even one coherent, intelligible or complete expression of thought since you have went on your most recent assault on the title of message board moron.
i dont care about greece.
i dont particularly care about the US. i enjoy Europe much more.
i dont particularly care about my heritage because its about as relevent in my life as caring about why dogs chase their tail. what is, is. i dont see a reason to take pride in that or be defensive about it.
you insult people, their characters and their beliefs day after day... then get offended like someone farted in the Holy Church Of Meni when someone insults you.
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